-- Start log: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 9:39:48 pm ASI Meeting Server time --

dcarson says, "start recorder"
Scottyg says, "start moon-recorder"
Severy says, "Already done"
Severy says, "Note to folks who like clever names: multi-word object names
in the MOO are a pain ;-)" Scottyg says, "Yep. Gotta call it moon recorder"
Greg-1 says, "For the record, we're sending artemis@asi.org and info@asi.org
and info@moonsociety.org all to pop09002@qs33.com, and Tim Cadell has
accept the role of the Communications and Information Center." Scottyg
says, "And I guess that brings the agenda down to me." rhodab says, "or up,
as the case may be!" Scottyg says, "On business organization, the remaining
item to be done is credit-card processing arrangements." irs says, "I
forget: did you already have a vendor lined up for that?" Scottyg says,
"Due to being sick, out of town, and generally snowed under, that is
dragging out still, but is my highest priority item, and I expect to make
some progress RSN." Scottyg says, "I want to make one more try with the
bank before going elsewhere." irs says, "Because I found one for LRC
Publications with seemingly acceptable rates. If you want the contact info,
let me know." Scottyg says, "Ian, we wanted to do it with hte bank, but
they turned us down. I want to discuss it with them once more. They
suggested that they had a third party they work with who has less strict
merchant account rules, and that would be my second choice." irs says,
"Whichever. I've got another if you want it." Scottyg says, "If that
doesn't work out, then I'm interested in your vendor." rhodab says,
"Scotty, I think it should be someone we can reach out and touch!" Scottyg
says, "Non-profit tax exemption is next on my priority list. All of the
preliminaries are done, so its just a matter of getting to it." rhodab
says, "However, having the same vendor as LRC would not be a bad thing.
Keep it i the family?" Scottyg says, "Rhoda, I plan on making one more try
with the bank. Their objection was a fear of excessive chargebacks."
Scottyg says, "Tim has given me a letter relating his experience, and that
might help." Greg-1 says, "Yeah. Fortunately, we do have a bit of a history
on that: zero chargebacks among 1000 memberships." Scottyg says, "I also
want to discuss posting a CD as security." TimCadell says, "Right."
Greg-1 says, "If that's what it takes, Scotty." Greg-1 says, "How big of a
CD?"
rhodab says, "Good idea"
Scottyg says, "Either of those may sweeten the pot enough to change the
decision." Scottyg says, "Greg, I would think $1k to 2k" Greg-1 says, "What
da heck. We have the money, right?" TimCadell says, "Jeez, considering what
they're going to charge us for the service, it seems a little odd to have
to do that, but i suppose we could use the interest." rhodab says, "Banks
are kinda conservative." Scottyg says, "Moon Society will have around
$6,500 total whenever ASI approves the Membership Transfer Agreement."
Greg-1 says, "Oops. We haven't done that yet?" Scottyg says, "So unless we
allocate a large amount to something, we could safely tie up a couple of
thousand. And it would pay interest." Scottyg says, "ASI hasn't Greg."
saavik follows rhodab into the room
Scottyg says, "Moon Society has accepted it, but not ASI." Greg-1 says,
"Let's see ... how many ASI board members are present?" saavik says, "read
Bullitin Board"
TimCadell says, "BTW, I have to leave in about 10 minutes or wait another
hour for a bus. I have no progress to report on the Membership action
items." dcarson says, "we need to hold a quick board meeting and approve it
at the end of the meeting" Greg-1 says, "Have a good trip home, Tim." irs
says, "Me."
TimCadell says, "Thanks, Greg."
Scottyg says, "Anything you want to discuss Tim? I'll yield to you if so."
TimCadell says, "Ummm, thinking."
Greg-1 says, "That will work as long as this meeting doesn't go too late. I
still have tons of things to do tonight so I can't stay late for this
meeting." TimCadell says, "Not really, but thanks, Scotty." Scottyg says,
"Ok, see ya later! And thanks for being here." TimCadell says, "You bet!
See you all later!" TimCadell has disconnected.
Greg-1 says, "Du ... who here is on the ASI board?" Scottyg says, "Ok, any
other questions on credit cards?" Scottyg says, "You, Ian, Randall, Dana."
irs says, "Me, Greg."
Severy says, "Greg, Ian, Dana, and me"
Greg disappears, leaving but a wistful memory that lingers in your mind.
rhodab says, "gee, the same guys!"
Greg-1 says, "Yup."
Greg-1 says, "Howzabout having a quick clone meeting in the ASI room and
make it official?" cdb says, "I'll need to leave, I'm not a Board member."
Greg-1 says, "Naw, the leadership council meeting can go on right here."
Scottyg says, "Thats ok Candace. The agreement isn't secret." saavik says,
"I'm just lurking..."
rhodab says, "eek! a lurker!!!!!"
Scottyg says, "And looks like they are gonna do it somewhere else anyway."
Greg-1 says, "Ian, Dana ... send a clone to @join greg" Greg-1 says, "Look!
It's an Amybot!"
irs says, "How do I send a clone?"
rhodab says, "fetch?"
Greg-1 says, "Ian, open a new MOO window, login with 'co irs <password>
clone'." dcarson says, "log on in a new window and use co user passwoed
clone" Scottyg says, "Open a second window and connect with: connect
username password clone" Severy chuckles.
saavik says, "An Amybot? Sounds scary!" Scottyg says, "At least we all gave
the same advice." rhodab says, "I'm scared! :0)"
cdb says, "I'll see you folks in two weeks? I'll need to to be alerted to
meeting times for this moon-leaders group." Scottyg says, "Ok, meanwhile
back at the agenda..." Scottyg says, "Yes, in two weeks Candace." cdb says,
"OK Bye."
irs says, "Having trouble with this "open a new window" stuff. I'm guessing
you mean run this MUSHclient a second time?" rhodab says, "Quick Scotty,
give the Treas. report before they get back!" cdb has disconnected.
Scottyg says, "( PM EST on the 2nd and last Wed of the month." Greg-1 says,
"Um ... I don't know MUSHclient, Ian." Scottyg says, "9 PM too."
The housekeeper arrives to cart TimCadell off to bed. Severy says, "In
MUSHclient, use "New World" and then use your existing ASI world for
defaults" Severy says, "You can have multiple windows open in the same
MUSHclient application" Scottyg says, "I'm holding on all lawyer work until
I'm ready to start the non-profit." Greg-1 says, "Good idea, Scotty."
irs says, "I'm working on it, guys, but not having a lot of luck. Why don't
I simply leave and come back?" irs leaves.
Scottyg says, "Treasurer's report - Almost no activity yet." saavik follows
DaveW
Greg-1 says, "Bank accounts are all set up, right?" Scottyg says, "But that
is just about to change. Moon Society will pay for the MMM this month and
in general start paying the bills and collecting the money." Greg-1 says,
"Next month, we *should* get paid whatever we're due from the Lunar
Development Conference." Scottyg says, "Yes Greg, bank accounts are set up,
and I transferred $2,000 from ASI to Moon Society to open the account."
saavik follows rhodab into the room
rhodab says, "Scotty, is this part of your Treas. report?" Severy teleports
recorder out.
The housekeeper arrives to cart cdb off to bed. Scottyg says, "This is
pretty much the whole thing Rhoda. There has been so little activity thus
far that I haven't published financials except for the initial set that
established the bookkeeping system." rhodab says, "Okay."
Scottyg says, "So thats all I have. Next?" Greg-1 says, "Next is Outreach,
with my name next to it. I don't know what the action items are, but
whatever they are, I haven't been working on them." Greg-1 says, "Anything
on Speaker Kits, Dana?" dcarson says, "I threw a party at worldcon" saavik
quietly lurks back out
saavik follows DaveW
Greg-1 says, "Hey! That's something!"
Scottyg says, "A question about Treasurer's reports...." dcarson says,
"working on them, but I'm a slow writer" Greg-1 says, "Do you know if we
got any members are worldcon?" rhodab says, "How many t-shirts sold?"
Greg-1 says, "Slow is lots better than zero1" dcarson says, "we sold some
memberships at time table but he'd have the numbers" dcarson says, "Tims"
Greg-1 says, "Scotty, do we have the membership transfer agreement on line
somewhere?" Scottyg says, "Just a sec..."
dcarson says, "sent in the forms for tables at next worldcon also" Scottyg
says, "Look in: http://www.moonsociety.org/private/board/contracts" Scottyg
says, "Nope, wrong."
Greg-1 says, "While Scotty is looking, I'll note that the Membership
subject is coming up next. We have Tim's name next to most of these things,
but some of them might be things that Scotty would report on due to his
contact with our contract membership processing service." Greg-1 says,
"Scotty, that's our contract with Jennifer Day." Scottyg says, "Yep. I have
it in email. Give me a minute and I'll upload it." Greg-1 says, "Thanks!"
Scottyg says, "Ok, look in the same directory." Greg-1 says, "Got it1"
Greg-1 says, "!, too"
Scottyg says, "It needs some cleanup on the formatting, but its all there."
Greg-1 says, "Scotty, I'm trying to figure out what this membership agenda
item ought to be." Greg-1 says, "I think most of these would be covered in
a report that Jennifer Day could do." Greg-1 says, "Assuming we're asking
her to track and report activities." Greg-1 says, "Some of these things
aren't Jennifer things, though, such as membership cards." Greg-1 says,
"Randall, tell your clone to say 'aye'." Severy grins.
Severy says, "He and I are not on speaking terms at the moment..." Greg-1
says, "heh."
Greg-1 says, "Hmm ... we seem to be stalled in the area of membership
processing." Greg-1 says, "Or rather, Membership in general." Scottyg says,
"I think we could probably reduce the membership agenda items to just two
or three." Severy says, "Should we wait to see what Jennifer ends up doing
and then see what falls out that still needs to be done" Severy says, "That
should have ended with a "?" ;-)" Greg-1 says, "It's official: the Artemis
Society International board of directors has accepted the proposed
Membership Transfer Agreement, as written." rhodab says, "YEAHHH!!!"
Greg-1 says, "Randall, yeah; let's figure out where we are before we start
going somewhere else." Scottyg says, "Yep. I'll try to revise the agenda
before next meeting. And I want to reorganize the HQ Ops section some too."
Scottyg says, "Ok Greg. I'll go ahead and transfer the rest of the
Membership monies." Greg-1 says, "Golly. I keep losing windows on my
computer." Scottyg says, "What's the Moon Society Progress Report #1 item?"
Greg-1 says, "I thought getting a bigger screen would help. In this, I
deluded myself." Greg-1 says, "Also under Membership is my shopping list of
things I'd like to put into a Moon Society Progress Report." Greg-1 says,
"The Progress Report is a thing we'd send to all our members, and have some
extra copies for sending to new members." Greg-1 says, "If'n ya'll could
follow that link, you'll see the list." Greg-1 says, "Note that it has some
obvious action items hiding it, such as a Treasurers Report." Scottyg says,
"Is this something to be updated on a regular basis?" Greg-1 says, "I can
take responsibility for getting the thing all laid out, and even printed
and hauled to the mailbox. I'd need lots of help in creating the content,
and help from someone who can generate a set of mailing labels." Greg-1
says, "Scotty, no. "
Greg-1 says, "We'd just publish a Progress Report when we have some
progress to report." Greg-1 says, "There may be only one."
rhodab says, "pity"
Scottyg says, "Wanna set a target date for it?" Greg-1 says, "We can't
commit to publishing a regular newsletter." Greg-1 says, "Yeah, December
2000. I want to get it into the mail this year." Scottyg says, "Could be a
Pleiades section." Greg-1 says, "Which means content needs to be done by
mid-November." Greg-1 says, "Pleiades is ASI's newsletter, y'see." Scottyg
says, "But we decided to also make it the Moon Society Journal. (Until Ian
conducts the name-the-newsletter contest.)" Greg-1 says, "I think Peter is
going to add that to the MMM." Greg-1 says, "This, we would publish
ourselves, directly from the Moon Society. It wouldn't be about the moon;
it would be about the Society." Scottyg says, "Since Moon Society is paying
for MMM, we should get space....." rhodab grins.
Greg-1 says, "Yes, that's true. But I want the members to get something
directly from the Society, at least once." Greg-1 says, "Peter might
duplicate the stuff in MMM for all I care." Greg-1 says, "But I want one
single, coherent publication that tells folks about the Society. Something
we can hand out at conventions and such." Greg-1 says, "Um ... without
Peter's editorialisms." Scottyg says, "Sort of the equivalent of the ASI
fact sheet?" Greg-1 says, "Yes, but a much more complete publication."
Scottyg says, "It could be part of the new-member packet too." Scottyg
says, "Although if its mostly a progress report, it would soon be stale for
that purpose." irs arrives.
Greg-1 says, "It all depends on how we write, Scotty." Greg-1 says, "Maybe
we'll madly attempt to update it once a year." Scottyg says, "I think that
would be a very good idea." rhodab says, "following the annual meeting" irs
says, "OK, I'm back. Did I miss anything I need to know?" Greg-1 says, "I'm
not sure how much this will cost. I guess I need to get together a budget
proposal. Maybe I can use pirate photocopying." Greg-1 says, "Ian, just
that I want to publish a Progress Report. See
http://www.moonsociety.org/private/leaders/pubs/progress-report-001.html"
Greg-1 says, "FAQ: No, it's not a regular publication. It would come from
the Society. It's only about the Society, not about the moon." Greg-1 says,
"Maybe Ian could help with getting it published if we can get the content
together." Scottyg says, "FWIW, it cost $62.24 to print 50 copies of the
Articles & Bylaws for the conference. Let me count pages...." irs says,
"Let me take a look."
Greg-1 says, "We don't need to settle the whole thing tonight. What I'm
looking for is help putting it together, and also some good nagging to make
sure we keep working on it and get it done." irs says, "How many pages (8.5
x 11) are you imagining, and how many copies do you want?" Greg-1 says, "Um
... like a Worldcon progress report." Greg-1 says, "And um ... 1,000 copies"
Greg-1 says, "16 pages."
rhodab says, "Maybe not 8.5x11 if we want to mail it easily" Greg-1 says,
"Rhoda, right; but the printing is based on the number of pages." Greg-1
says, "The final format would be like MMM." Greg-1 says, "Or like Artemis
Magazine." rhodab says, "Right, but if you do a fold - say tri-fold legal -
reduces the cost" irs says, "Photocopy or offset, about equivalent quality.
Can probably get 'em for about 50 cents a piece. $500 for 1,000 (rough
approximation)." irs says, "Can't trifold 16 pages."
rhodab says, "Ah! you're right. that's a lot of pages. Who'll read that
many?" Greg-1 says, "Plus 50 cents mailing?"
Scottyg says, "750 total pages @ .07 per page, plus a little for stapling."
Greg-1 says, "So budget around $1,000?" rhodab says, "or saddle stitch"
Greg-1 says, "Yes, saddle stitch."
irs says, "First class postage is $.77 each, assuming no envelope." Greg-1
says, "OK ... mabye as much as $1500." Greg-1 says, "Scotty, is there any
hope we can afford that?" irs says, "Bulk rates would take that down around
$.25 or $.30 a piece." rhodab is trying to imagine 16 pages
irs says, "Imagine MMM, Rhoda."
Greg-1 says, "Postage would be higher if we use an envelope?" rhodab says,
"I am."
rhodab says, "Complete with advertising?" Greg-1 says, "Visual Whirled
Peas."
irs says, "Yes, Greg. Also, would have to include the cost of the envelope,
and of stuffing and sealing the envelopes." Greg-1 says, "Rhoda, you're in
charge of selling advertising." Scottyg says, "Greg, we can afford that,
but not too much more." Greg-1 says, "Heh. LOTS of advertising! :)" irs
says, "If you're real nice to LRC Publications, we might be able to use
LRCP's bulk mailing permit, and get them out for that lower rate. (I gotta
check the regs on mailing something like this, but they're doable.)" Greg-1
says, "Oh GOODY!"
Scottyg says, "Don't forget that about 20% of membership is international."
rhodab says, "Ads would reduce the space for text" Greg-1 says, "That's
good, Rhoda. It fills the space." Scottyg says, "But we would only be
mailing about half of the 1000 we are printing." irs says, "International
does NOT go bulk. Those gotta go air mail if you want them to arrive. Like
three bucks each." Scottyg says, "(If we mail to current members.)" rhodab
says, "So, has to be stuff that can withstand time" Greg-1 says, "Yup."
rhodab says, "I bet I can see an ad to CyberTeams! :0)" Greg-1 says, "Try
selling ad space to Lunar Traders. Tim is an easy touch. :)" rhodab says,
"see=sell"
Greg-1 says, "Now, to prove you're REALLY good, sell ad space to the Mars
Society! :)" rhodab says, "uh huh. I just received my membership renewal!
hmmmm" Greg-1 says, "Oh well, enough on the progress report for now, I
think." Greg-1 says, "Meanwhile, back at the agenda ..." Greg-1 says,
"Anything on Publications?" Greg-1 says, "Or Local Chapters? (Where the
heck is JIM?)" Greg-1 says, "Or 'Miscellaneous'?"
Greg-1 says, "How about 'Schedule next meeting'?" rhodab wonders what that
pumpkin is doing in here? Scottyg says, "Ian, do you still plan to have the
name-the-newsletter contest?" Severy says, "Next meeting would be the
second Wednesday of October, which ends up being 10/11" Severy says, "Any
problems with that date?" Greg teleports pumpkin in.
Scottyg says, "I have a question before we adjourn..." Greg-1 picks up
pumpkin.
Greg-1 says, "This pumpkin?"
rhodab says, "oh god!"
Greg-1 says, "How could the second Wednesday be the first of the month?"
Scottyg says, "10/11 is ok with me."
rhodab says, "Me too"
Greg-1 says, "Oh. The eleventh. silly me." Greg-1 says, "That should be
good for me." rhodab says, "Thought yu were seeing double? :0)" Greg-1
says, "I think on the 12th, the Las Vegas Astronomical Society is doing a
Star Party in honor of Spaceweek." Severy says, "What's the question,
Scotty?" Greg-1 says, "Scotty, did you have a question?" Greg-1 says, "I
have one of those new optical mouses. It lives up to the schmaltz." Scottyg
says, "Yes....I have begun publishing Treasurers reports in the
/private/board area..." Scottyg says, "Should I put it in /private/leaders
instead?" rhodab says, "Probably"
Severy says, "If we review them in the Leadership Council meeting, they
probably should go in /private/leaders..." Greg-1 says, "Rhoda, look at the
pumpkin." Greg-1 says, "Hmm ... I can't think of any reason why the whole
Leadership Council should not know the Society's financial status, and lots
of reasons why they should." rhodab says, "okay. if I knew how I would"
Scottyg says, "Ok, I'll move them to leaders." Greg-1 says, "So I'd say
yes, in leaders would be good." Greg-1 says, "Rhoda ... 'inventory'"
Greg-1 says, "then try 'look pumpkin'"
Scottyg says, "Greg, the only issue might be the level of detail
presented." rhodab laughs.
rhodab says, "That's great!"
Greg-1 says, "Yeah, I suppose there might be financial data we don't want
to get published to the world." Greg-1 says, "I can't think of a general
rule, though. " Greg-1 says, "Philosophically, if we can't trust someone's
judgement, we shouldnt' have that person on the Leadership Council. But
that's not very realistic." Scottyg says, "At present, I don't see any
problem. But at some point, we might want to have "Management" and "public"
versions." Severy teleports ASI Board WSDLite out. Greg-1 says, "Yeah."
Greg-1 says, "We'll want at least year-end summaries for the whole
membership, perhaps." Greg-1 says, "Bein's't'how we're a non-profit
membership organization." Greg-1 says, "What the heck was ASI Board WSDLite
doing here?" dcarson says, "there is a certain set of reports people can
ask from a non-profit by law, might as well have them on the site" Scottyg
says, "Yep. Those can be given a high level of scrutiny to be sure
everything is consistent. Month-by-month can have timing errors show up
that untrained people don't understand." Severy says, "I was setting up the
ASI Board recorder interface to WSDLite" Severy says, "Since my clone can't"
Greg-1 says, "OIC."
Greg-1 says, "Well, is there anything else that demands my attention
tonight? I have a battle plan to lay out." irs says, "Yeah, we have run
through a three-disc set of Journey already. Am I still required here?"
Greg-1 says, "It kinda looks like we've done what we came to do. Any other
Leadership Council business?" rhodab says, "zzzzzzzzzzzzz"
Scottyg says, "Nothing else from here." Severy says, "None that I can think
of" dcarson says, "i'm done"
irs says, "Works for me. I'm ready to say I'm outta here." irs says, "Oh,
Greg, quickie for you:"
rhodab laughs.
Greg-1 says, "Yes, Ian?"
irs says, "Got a letter saying you made a mistake in your article: that the
crew on the surface at Hadley Rille was Scott and Irwin, with Worden in
orbit, rather than Scott and Worden on the surface, as you said. Is that
correct (in which case, I'll run a correction)?" Greg-1 says, "Um ... off
the top of my head, I don't remember. It sounds right." irs says, "Is there
an easy way for you to check?" Greg-1 says, "There must be a hundred web
sites that would have that information readily available. Like the Apollo
Lunar Surface Journal." Greg-1 says, "All my books are still in boxes." irs
says, "OK, so I gotta go looking. Thanks anyway." rhodab has disconnected.
Severy says, "Ok, ASI Board Meeting transcript is saved in
www.asi.org/private/board/meetings"
<http://www.asi.org/private/board/meetings> Greg-1 says, "OK. Thanks, Ian."
Greg-1 says, "And if we're done, I'll get back to planning the conquest of
low earth orbit." irs says, "Catch y'all later."
Greg-1 says, "G'night!"
Severy says, "Good night, all!"
Greg-1 has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to remove Greg-1.

-- End log: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 11:12:24 pm ASI Meeting Server time --