-- Start log: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 9:10:26 pm ASI Meeting Server time --

saavik says, "Ok, now we can officially congratulate Randall :-)" Severy
says, "Well, hold the thanks until it's truly over, Scotty! We've got the
final stage happening tomorrow afternoon" saavik says, "And I can ask why
what I said was funny?" saavik says, "(was it the boo part?)"
Severy says, "Your @oleave and @oarrive messages" saavik says, "oh!!"
saavik says, "I forgot about those ;-)" Greg says, "It's your sparkling
personality, Amy." saavik says, "so... I need to dig up my notes but there
were several items on the table..." Greg says, "Yeah, the maid was sick
this week." Greg says, "That's why the table is such a mess." saavik laughs.
Scottyg says, "No, its that lazy housekeeper..." saavik says, "ok:"
saavik says, "Tabled due to lack of time:" saavik says, "* 501c3
application status " saavik says, "* Newsfeed on the Moon Society web site
(Dana?)" saavik [to discuss]: at the next meeting: saavik says, "* $10K
project ideas (Everyone!)" saavik says, "* Check on MMM pdf status (is it
public yet?) (Scotty?)" saavik says, "

* Tabled items (see above)" Scottyg says, "MMM is now public, so we can
cross that off. (See /members/mmm)" saavik says, "Great - should we annouce
it?" Scottyg says, "But negotiations are still underway on our cost to have
LRS send out MMM." saavik says, "yes, I saw some of that from Ian" Scottyg
says, "I think an announcement is in order. Anyone have an objection?"
dcarson says, "none here" DaveW says, "none here" saavik says, "none here"
Scottyg says, "Should the Board direct the Secretary to send out an
announcement then?" Scottyg says, "Or would our esteemen President prefer
to do the honors?" saavik says, "hey now, other members can send out
annoucements too! " Greg says, "I like the idea of /s/t/i/c/k/i/n/g/
/A/m/y/ /w/i/t/h/ /t/h/e/ /a/c/t/i/o/n/ /i/t/e/m/ bestowing that honor upon
our Secretary." Scottyg says, "But only a select few can spam the entire
membership." saavik says, "oh, I know... I meant one of us, not the general
public" Greg says, "You can use Team Director to send a message to the
entire membership." saavik admits that she doesn't know how saavik says,
"nor what to say" Greg says, "Scotty can provide the words." saavik says,
"oh... I can deal with that if you can tell me how to use team dir to email
everyone" Scottyg says, "Something that goes like: The Moon Society is
pleased to announce that...." Scottyg says, "etc." Greg says, "Sign on.
Click on All Current Members. Click on the SEND E-MAIL button." Greg says,
"In this case, I think it would be good to leave the E-Mail Template set to
None." Scottyg says, "Amy, please include something that lets members know
that access to the MMM area is controlled by the ASI Team Director system,
not the Moon Society one." saavik says, "yeah, I just noticed that from my
password" Scottyg says, "So they will need an ASI Team Director account."
saavik says, "Ok, will play with it while we talk so that I know what I am
doing with it :-)" saavik says, "Will write up a note and you can check it
out." irs arrives. saavik says, "should I tlak about the membership rates?"
saavik says, "Or just annouce the online for now" dcarson says, "hi Ian"
irs says, "Hi All." Greg says, "Happy Wednesday, Ian!" Scottyg says, "I
think just the online Amy. Membership rates is pretty old news by now."
Greg says, "Yeah, sounds good to me." saavik says, "ok, almost done with
it" Scottyg says, "(In effect since last June.)" saavik says, "who do they
contact with membership (team dir that is) questions?" Scottyg says, "Well,
Randall handles account requests." Scottyg says, "Which reminds me...Who
gets mail to membership@moonsociety.org <membership@moonsociety.org>?"
saavik says, "ok, here is a draft:" Greg says, "Tim, I think." saavik says,
"The Moon Society is please to annouce that the Moon Miners Manifesto"
saavik says, "is now available on the Moon Society web page in pdf format.
" saavik says, "The URL is: http://www.moonsociety.org/members/mmm/
<http://www.moonsociety.org/members/mmm/>" saavik says, "Please note that
access to this page is controlled through the ASI" saavik says, "Team
Director system and not the Moon Society one. You should use" saavik says,
"your ASI account name and password and not your Moon Society one (if"
saavik says, "they are different). Please contact Randall Severy
(severy@asi.org <severy@asi.org>)" saavik says, "with questions/problems
about your ASI Team Director account." saavik says, "Secretary, The Moon
Society" saavik says, "GRRR" saavik says, "darn cut and paste...." Scottyg
says, "Amy, that's another approach on questions." saavik says, "please
pretend that pasted right" Scottyg says, "add a "d" to please on the 1st
line." saavik says, "um, right :-)" saavik says, "anything else?" Scottyg
says, "and add the URL for the ASI Team Director system." Greg says, "I'd
add a second paragraph telling folks that if they don't have a Team
Director account yet, they should go to http://www.asi.org/teamdir/
<http://www.asi.org/teamdir/> and fill out the form." Scottyg says, "Yeah,
like Greg said." saavik says, "ok" Greg says, "FWIW, I'd also recommend
saying "or" instead of "/"" dcarson says, "writers, wanting to use real
english" saavik says, "ok, all set" Greg says, "It happens. :)" saavik
says, "so the table stands with three items then:" saavik says, "* 501c3
application status " saavik says, "* Newsfeed on the Moon Society web site
(Dana?)" saavik says, "* $10K project ideas (Everyone!)" Greg says,
"Although the expansion "questions divided by problems" does have a nice
philosophical ring to it." saavik says, "hmm... I also had a spelling error
but that is fixed :-)" saavik just got a phone call IRL, but she will be
right back. Scottyg says, "LOL. Is our question/problem ratio improving
any?" saavik rolls her eyes
Scottyg says, "Missinh "n" in "announce"?" Scottyg says, "501c3 status is
unchanged. The ball is in the IRS court and we are waiting for them."
dcarson says, "I'll add some of the new news sources tonight" saavik says,
"geez, my parents called and only talked to Andy!" saavik says, "well...
that leaves the big item... :-)" saavik says, "anyone come up with any new
ideas ?" dcarson says, "not really"
saavik says, "by the way, there is no 'send email' button for me" saavik
says, "www.asi.org/teamdir right? I can see the 'all members' selection but
no 'send email'" Scottyg says, "Do you have an "Administrator" check box at
the top of the screen Amy?" saavik says, "nope"
Greg says, "Hmm ... I can't figure out how to check your privileges." Greg
says, "When I go to User Administration I don't see McGovern, Amy" Severy
has disconnected.
Severy has connected.
saavik says, "blame Randall :-)"
Greg says, "Rats. There goes our link with reality." Severy says, "@*(**$@*
*$()@**)(*$"
saavik says, "he didn't even recognize who I was on the phone, after all
;-)" Severy says, "Figures my ISP would dump me right in the middle of
three different conversations :-(" Greg says, "Randall, we need your help
with Team Director" Greg says, "how do we give Amy the privilege to send
email?" Scottyg says, "Greg, you have to go int User Admin and then do Add
User to make Amy an Admin user." Greg says, "I don't see Amy on the when I
go to user Amdinistration" saavik says, "too many conversations at
once...." Scottyg says, "Greg, Administrative Users are separate from the
main membership." Severy says, "She needs to be added with an
administrative account, she's only in there now as a member" Randall's ISP
says, "We just wanted Randall to concentrate on Moon Society business for a
while." Greg says, "Oh."
Scottyg says, "You will have to add her to the Admin Users list (With Add
New User)" Greg says, "Let's see if I can do that without screwing it up."
saavik waits with baited breath
Greg says, "What goes into Member ID ?" Scottyg says, "what did you bait it
with?" Severy says, "Her member ID"
Greg says, "(Try "abated breath")."
Severy says, "That's how the administrative account is tied back to the
member record" Greg says, "OK, I'll bite. What is Amy's member ID?" Greg
says, "Does it have to be a different user name?" Scottyg says, "647 is
Amy's member id." saavik says, "yikes, I need to unsub from the commons...
too much at once into one window :-)" saavik says, "(or try just reading
the moo only)" Scottyg says, "And saavik is her username" saavik says,
"abated can't work right"
Greg says, "Amy just @xdisconnect commons" Scottyg says, "I think the
common usage is bated." Greg says, "OK, Amy, trying signing on with the
password 'about'" Greg says, "And then change your password to something
else." Greg says, "Well, 'bated, actually."
saavik says, "ok, hold on"
Greg says, "Short for abated."
saavik says, "yeah, maybe bated "
saavik says, "not abated, that means something else" Scottyg says, "No,
actually means the same think" Scottyg says, "thing"
Greg says, "We have such fascinating discussion in the Moon Society!" Greg
says, "I liked 'think' better. :)" saavik says, "hmm..."
irs says, "All you wordsmiths, and not a one of you writing for Artemis
Magazine. Hmmm...." saavik says, "how come I can't change my password now?"
Greg says, "Wordsmith? I thought you wanted a swordsmith!" Scottyg says,
"Amy, now you should have Administrator and Member radio buttons at the
top. Select Administrator." saavik says, "eh, done, the method just
changed" saavik says, "ok, well, at least I learned something new this
meeting :-)" Severy says, "You have to change it in User Admin, not in the
Member Info screen" Greg says, "What? The definition of 'abated'?" Scottyg
says, "That enables certain options not otherwise available." Scottyg says,
"Abated is similiar to reduced." Greg says, "Or perhaps, 'held back'"
saavik says, "email sent"
Greg says, "Hooray!"
Scottyg says, "A nuisiance has been abated when it is no longer a problem.
(For example)" Greg says, "Algore, for instance."
Scottyg says, "nuisance too."
saavik laughs.
Scottyg says, "Yes, definitely abated." saavik says, "ok, so my original
question from last week still remains: if we could raise the $10K (or
more), what could we do with it to help jumpstart the moon society?" Greg
says, "On the subject of research projects, perhaps we should try to get
the membership brainstorming that question." saavik says, "because we need
some answer" saavik says, "I was wondering if people would object to that"
saavik says, "I'm all for it"
saavik says, "(the web page is still sending the email! geez)" Greg says,
"My thinking is that it's the members' society, so they might have an
input." Greg says, "There are a lot of members." Greg says, "It has to
fetch a different spam message to attach to each one." saavik says, "it is
sending to each one individually?" saavik laughs.
saavik says, "well... do you want the secretary to email that one too?"
Greg says, "Actually, I don't know how it works. Randall probably does,
though." saavik says, "And if so, send it to artemis-list?" Greg says,
"Yeah, that sounds more like an artemis-list kidn of thing." Greg says,
"kind"
Scottyg says, "I think it generates each one individually because they can
contain template variables." Greg says, "Come to think of it, it would be a
good idea to post that announcement to the artemis-news list, too." saavik
says, "there is an artemis-news list?" saavik says, "sure... I'll wait
until this one finishes though" Greg says, "Yeah, and if I knew the
password, I'd tell it to you." Greg says, "It has an authorized posters
list." Greg says, "So only authorized folks can send mail to it." Greg
says, "And I'm afraid we'll have to wake up Dana or Randall to figure out
how to use it." saavik says, "laugh, ok"
DaveW says, "speaking of the artemis-news list I was thinking it might be a
good idea to work on finding someone to take over as Newsmonger.....the
current one has not done much with it lately" Greg says, "Good point.
That's another thing we could start campaigning for." Greg says,
"Waitaminit ... who *is* our current newsmonger?" Severy grins.
Severy says, "The person who is trying to pass the buck ;-)" dcarson says,
"davew"
Greg says, "Yeah, it's about time we Peter Principled that guy into an
officer job." DaveW says, "its some lazy guy"
Scottyg says, "Dana or Randall, can one of you generate a list of all the
moonsociety.org mail aliases and distribute it to the board? I think some
cleanup of that is needed." Severy says, "Sure, I can send that list" Greg
says, "Yeah, we also need to get our listmonster to close the Moon Society
lists. They're all open to spammers." Severy says, "Great!"
Severy says, "Oops, wrong channel ;-)"
Greg says, "You've already had such great practice with compile lists of
aliases just today, Randall. :)" Scottyg says, "Not "all" Greg. But some
seem to be." Greg says, "compiling, too."
Greg says, "Which ones shold be open?"
Greg says, "should"
Greg says, "Darn, I want an old low-tech keyboard where I can pound on the
keys until my desk rocks!" Scottyg says, "I was just looking at the Team
List. None of the Teams should be open I think." Greg says, "Yeah. I don't
think the Moon Society has any lists that should be open." Greg says, "In
fact, I think our only open list is artemis-list." Scottyg says, "But there
should probably be at least one open list for general communications." Greg
says, "But in this case, I meant the lists should be closed so that
non-subscribers can post messages to them." Greg says, "Oops. ... so that
non-subscribers cannot post to them." Greg says, "That stops the spam."
Scottyg says, "Thats what I meant too...Closed posting. Membership may or
may not be closed." Greg says, "Agreed."
saavik says, "ok, it said that 12 addresses failed" saavik says, "and 851
passed"
saavik says, "wpw"
saavik says, "wow that is"
saavik says, "yikes, and I already have a reply in my inbox!" Greg says,
"Golly. That's not bad!"
Greg says, "Of course, that doesn't count the ones that will bounce."
saavik says, "(which I don't understand)" Greg says, "Could be an
auto-reply."
saavik says, "no, it was access systems" saavik says, "he said:"
saavik says, "D**N inaccessible pdf docs," saavik says, "(that's it)"
Severy laughs.
Severy says, "Sounds like our Bob!"
Severy says, "I have to run out to pick up some milk, I'll be back in a few
minutes" Greg says, "Heh. He did have opportunities to bitch about it when
we discussed this on artemis-list long, long ago." saavik just got a phone
call IRL, but she will be right back. Greg says, "IRL ... that must mean
something like "internet relay line"" dcarson says, "in real life"
dcarson says, "Adobe has a page that will extract text from a pdf for
people taht need to use a text to speech setup" dcarson will be right back.
Scottyg says, "Looking over the list of aliases...I think we need aliases
for all the officers." Greg says, "Um ... erm ... another email alias? More
spam?" Greg dons his very best reluctant look. Scottyg says, "Greg already
has one. But Amy & Dave don't." Scottyg says, "president, treasurer, and
chairman presently exist." Greg says, "Ah, that's probably because we
didn't have a veep or a secretary for so long." Scottyg says, "I'm happy to
not see Jim Burk on any of them." Greg says, "Yeah, I think we started out
with aliases for everybody and then dropped them as events warranted."
Scottyg says, "There are 5 pop boxes. Any idea who checks them?" Greg says,
"I think we need an alias for "gadfly@moonsoicety.org". I'll claim that
one." Greg says, "Real pop boxes? Not me."
Scottyg says, "No, you're icon@moonsociety.org." Greg says, "Icon is good,
too. How about gray-emminence@moonsociety.org?" Scottyg says, "that too."
Greg says, "It's so much more polite than old-fart@moonsociety.org."
dcarson says, "back"
Greg says, "IknowIknowIknow .. speaker-to-sims-fans@moonsociety.org"
Scottyg says, "the 5 pop boxes are:"
Scottyg says, "moonsociety@moonsociety.org pop09002" Scottyg says, "
help@moonsociety.org pop09002" Scottyg says, "artemis@moonsociety.org
pop09002" Scottyg says, "info@moonsociety.org pop09002" Scottyg says, "
awb@moonsociety.org pop09025" irs says, "awb?"
Greg says, "awb is my son, Alex."
Scottyg says, "Anyone have any idea what awb@moonsociety represents?" irs
says, "ah"
Scottyg says, "ah"
Greg says, "The others go to whomever reads the mail for artemis@asi.org."
Greg says, "Don't mess with the numbered popboxes ... most of them are
assigned to Bigelow Aerospace!" Severy laughs.
irs says, "How does one check a popbox? I get the feeling that's what I
really want to do with the lrcpubs addresses (if they exist)." Greg says,
"What email client do you use, Ian?" irs says, "Do you mean Eudora?"
Scottyg says, "Its what you point your mail program to for incoming mail."
Greg says, "Yup."
dcarson says, "Randall can you tell him where the settings are in the
windows Eudora, it doesn't match the mac one apparently" irs says, "ah, OK.
Gotta get Dana to tell me how to point at them there other boxes, rather
than having them forward." Severy says, "pop09002 is the Artemis Comm &
Info Center" dcarson says, "Ian you have a full accont on the server, you
can use that for POP" Greg says, "And you can make up any address you want
for anything@lrcpublications.com." irs says, "note the blank look of
stupidity. Maybe I should get you to help me on the phone." Greg says,
"Assuming you get the bounces, they will all come to you." Scottyg says,
"BTW - POP = Post Office Protocol if anyone cares." Greg says, "Darn, I
thought we were having lollipops." Greg says, "Or soda pop."
dcarson says, "Ian I'll install windows Eudora and send you directions OK"
irs says, "Thanks muchly, Dana. Didn't want to hassle you too much." saavik
says, "ok, I am off phone"
dcarson says, "no problem"
saavik says, "anything else the secretary needs to note? she is getting
sleepy :-)" Severy says, "Ian, in Eudora, you have the Tools->Options
dialog, and Checking Mail in that dialog has the mail server hostname and
login username fields" Greg says, "I think we've pretty much exhausted this
meeting, Amy." Greg says, "Now we're getting into the user support phase.
:)" saavik says, "did we conclude where I should send the 10,000 question?"
Greg says, "artemis-list"
saavik says, "got it... ok"
irs says, "Yeah, I can get there, Randall. I guess my real question is:
what is the mailserver (incoming and outgoing) I tell the system to check?
I know pop.panix.com and smtp.panix.com for in- and out- on my main
account." Greg says, "Unless you can get Regis Philbin to ask the
question." saavik says, "and yes, you were right about access systems... he
already replied to my query" saavik says, "and if we could get regis, we
could get more $$ than 10K!" Greg says, "Ian, create a new peersonality in
Eudora and tell it to check mail.lrcpublciations.com" Greg says, "Amy, yup!
(Go to bed!)"
irs says, "mail? That's it, for both incoming and outgoing? Too simple!"
saavik says, "I don't know what to tell him though" saavik says, "he's
complaining that it isn't accessible... should I just direct him to peter?"
Severy says, "Or mail.lrcpubs.com if you don't want to type as much ;-)"
dcarson says, "simple is good"
Scottyg says, "And it comes in two flavors, Orange and Grape...Er, make
that 2 & 3." dcarson says, "your user name is irs, you hopefully know the
password" irs says, "mail.lrcpubs.com will get everything sent to
lrcpubs.com and let me respond the same way?" dcarson says, "if we stop
forwarding the mail" saavik says, "yes on sending access to peter?" dcarson
says, "sure, its a complaint from one of the subscribers" saavik says, "ok,
got it. need to grab his email" Severy says, "Ian, every e-mail alias for
lrcpubs.com is set to forward to irs@panix.com at the moment, if we change
that to go to the "irs" mailbox, you'll get all mail at that account"
saavik <- kokhmmm@aol.com>
Scottyg has disconnected.
saavik says, "done..."

-- End log: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 10:39:06 pm ASI Meeting Server time --