-- Start log: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 8:31:26 pm ASI Meeting Server time --

Severy switches places with Severy-3
DaveW arrives.
dcarson arrives.
Arthur arrives.
Arthur says, "Hi Randall, Dave, Dale"
Arthur says, "Any sign of Michael or Peter?" Severy-3 says, "Hi, Arthur!"
Severy-3 says, "Not yet"
DaveW says, "hello Dana, Arthur"
Arthur says, "Hi Dave - hey I notice you officially have some
responsibility for the website. Have you had much support/help on it?"
Arthur sits down at Big Table. . .
Michael arrives.
Arthur stands up from Big Table. . .
Arthur says, "Hmmm, did anybody hear what I just said?" DaveW says, "its
been a long time since I have had much chance to work on the web site"
Michael says, "read board"
Michael says, "nope...."
Arthur says, "I guess when you sit down at the table, you're only talking
to people also at the table...?" Michael says, "so its just another room?"
Arthur says, "room within a room maybe?" Arthur says, "Peter seems not to
have logged in here since June 2000 - think he remembers how?" Scottyg-1
has arrived.
Arthur says, "Hi Scotty!"
Scottyg-1 says, "Hi Arthur!"
Scottyg-1 says, "et al."
Arthur says, "Does anybody have to leave early tonight?" Arthur says,
"Though, I don't see how it could be as bad as the NSS chapters meeting I
attended online a few weeks ago - that went to about 2:00 AM..." Scottyg-1
says, "I can stay till 10:00 or so CDT" Scottyg-1 says, "Maybe 11:00, but I
tend to get somewhat worthless after 10:00." Severy-3 says, "Looks like
we're still missing Greg, Ian, and Peter" Scottyg-1 says, "Greg's in the
commons." Severy-3 says, "Amy is on the road tonight (likely passing by a
few miles from me at the moment) so she won't be able to make it" Arthur
says, "Scotty - I was wondering, is there a time delay on the "treasury
reports"? The most recent one seems to be from January 2002 (at
http://www.moonsociety.org/private/board/treas-reports/)" Scottyg-1 says,
"And I've never known Peter to use the MOO." Scottyg-1 says, "Arthur - I'm
running way behind on a lot of things." Severy-3 says, "He used to stop in
here from time to time, but as Arthur reported it's been a while" Arthur
says, "no problem, just checking" Scottyg-1 says, "Its been a bad year in
that regard." dcarson says, "actually Greg is in the TLRC meeting room"
dcarson says, "we should grab him"
irs arrives.
Severy-3 says, "Hi, Ian!"
Arthur says, "Hi"
Scottyg-1 says, "Ah, but Greg-1 was in the commons as I passed thru."
dcarson teleports Greg in.
irs says, "Hi Gang."
Scottyg-1 says, "Hi Ian!"
dcarson says, "hi Ian, how goes it"
Severy-3 says, "Actually, Dana, Greg logged in as a clone here so he could
stay in the TLRC MOO..." dcarson says, "oops"
Severy-3 says, "Try teleporting Greg-1 here and put his real self back ;-)"
Arthur says, "Anyway the meeting logs and minutes in the same area haven't
been updated since Nov 2000, so treasury is about the most up to date thing
there, other than contact info (thanks for updating that Randall!)" Michael
says, "so far all of the answers to the homework assignment have been
either E,D or A... only 4 responses...." Scottyg-1 says, "Arthur, I can
generally report that there is no substantive change in the Moon Society
financial condition." dcarson switches places with dcarson-1
Arthur says, "It looked like it wouldn't have changed much." dcarson
teleports Greg out.
dcarson-1 switches places with dcarson
Greg arrives amidst thundering applause. Arthur says, "Does that mean the
meeting is starting :-)" Greg says, "Oops!"
Greg says, "Sorry I'm late. That's my punishment for arriving an hour
early. :)" Severy-3 says, "Yup, let's get this meeting under way..."
Severy-3 says, "Thwap!"
Severy-3 gavels the meeting to order
Greg takes a nap.
Arthur says, "Ok, I promised Amy I'd remind somebody to start the recorder,
and take minutes :-)" Severy-3 says, "First things, welcome to all of the
new members of the board!" Severy-3 says, "The recorder has been started"
Arthur says, "THankyou!"
Michael says, "thanks! (wheeeeee)"
Severy-3 says, "There have been a number of good suggestions presented over
the past few days for things to discuss tonight" Greg says, "Welcome
Arthur! Welcome Michael!" Arthur says, "Are we expecting Peter? Should
somebody call him to remind him?" dcarson says, "welcome new s/u/c/k/e/r/s
board members" Greg says, "Dana... shhhhhh!"
irs says, "What Dana said."
Severy-3 laughs.
irs says, "Oops, I mean. No. What Greg said. Yeah. That one." Severy-3
says, "Peter didn't say he wouldn't be here, but then he didn't exactly
verify that he would..." Arthur says, "Yup..."
Severy-3 says, "Can someone give him a call?" Arthur says, "I suggested it,
I'll try." Severy-3 says, "Thanks, Arthur!"
Michael says, "a slight housekeeping item before we get started: does
anyone know of anyone not already intimate with TO that has bought the
$16.95 cd thing? A reporter wants to know...." Arthur says, "I'm talking to
him right now - he's trying to log on" Scottyg-1 [to says]: they have about
60 bites so far. Scottyg-1 says, "Darn..."
Arthur says, "Java applet is loading, he says" Scottyg-1 says, "TO says
they have about 60 bites so far." Greg says, "Bites?"
dcarson [to just]: tags a message as to a person, whisper makes it private
Greg says, "Or bytes?"
Scottyg-1 says, "Bites - takers - customers - whatever." Michael says, "I
forwarded the requrest to TO so I guess they can handle it. I was just
hoping I could respond directly to the reporter. If they like what you said
and if you do things for them they tend to call you back for comments on
other stories latter." Greg says, "Oh! Yeah. "Suckers.""
Greg says, "Of course, I certainly didn't say that. :)" Arthur says,
"Peter's got too much stuff running on his computer - he's shutting things
off. If he's not on in 10 minutes, I'm to call back. I think we can move on
with the agenda though..." Severy-3 says, "Ok"
Greg says, "Yes. If we wait for Peter we'll never get this lemonade stand
open." Severy-3 says, "While there have been a number of excellent agenda
topics suggested so far, I'd like to preempt the already suggested ones and
start with one of my own ;-)" Scottyg-1 says, "The chairman gets to do
that." Severy-3 grins.
Arthur says, "we follow any parliamentary procedure rules here? I need to
read up on that stuff..." Severy-3 says, "One of the complaints we've been
getting in the past is that as an organization we haven't been very
responsive" Severy-3 says, "Loosely, Arthur, very loosely ;-)" Severy-3
says, "I didn't realize how bad that situation was until today" Severy-3
says, "There is a central e-mail mailbox on the CyberTeams server that
receives all mail to the generic support addresses in the asi.org and
moonsociety.org domains" Severy-3 says, "addresses such as "info@asi.org", "
help@moonsociety.org", etc." Greg says, "Didn't we stop advertising those
addresses?" Severy-3 says, "Up until early last year that mail was being
processed by someone, but it's only been piling up since then" Severy-3
says, "We haven't been advertising them, but they have continued to be
used" dcarson says, "those are addresses that people try even if you don't
advertise them" Severy-3 says, "When I checked the mailbox this afternoon,
I found over 1300 messages queued up in there" Scottyg-1 says, "Now we know
why the server keeps getting short on hard drive space." Michael says,
"info@foo, help@foo, etc are all 'standard' email addresses that should
exist for all domains...." Severy-3 says, "As some of you may know, I have
been working on a web-based help desk system, originally for SimsHost, and
there have been discussions recently about rolling it out for the Moon
Society support addresses" Severy-3 says, "Today I set up the system
(called Help Director) on moonsociety.org and transferred all of the e-mail
backlog into it" Severy-3 says, "That's when I noticed how much had piled
up" Arthur says, "How much of it is spam?"
Arthur says, "or viruses?"
Severy-3 [to be]: fair, the vast majority of those 1300 messages were junk
mail, but after wading through the junk for several hours I pared it down
to 108 real messages that I left in the system Severy-3 says, "To be fair,
the vast majority of those 1300 messages were junk mail, but after wading
through the junk for several hours I pared it down to 108 real messages
that I left in the system" dcarson says, "10% non spam is not bad" Severy-3
says, "There are another 93 messages that were sent to the webmaster@asi.org
/moonsociety.org addresses that I'm loading into the system tonight"
Severy-3 says, "The support addresses are now ended up in Help Director
mailboxes so they will no longer end up in a dead end, but we need to come
up with a process for dealing with this stuff on an ongoing basis" Arthur
says, "public relations team?"
Severy-3 says, "The first order of business is that I need to set all of
you up with accounts in that system so that you can see what kind of stuff
we're dealing with" Severy-3 says, "The URL is
http://www.moonsociety.org/helpdir" Scottyg-1 says, "Yep, thats the
problem. We need to learn some sort of lesson from the web team situation,
but I'm not quite sure what the lesson is." Severy-3 says, "Accounts for
Greg and Dana have been set up (I know their usual login info), but I need
the rest of you to whisper preferred usernames and passwords and e-mail
address to me" Greg says, "Ack! Do you realize how terrifying it is to read
"108 New Threads"?" Michael says, "ok... logged in... now what?" Severy-3
says, "Ok, Michael, Scotty, Dave, and Arthur are set up" Arthur says,
"Peter says he can't remember his password - Randall, can you whisper one
to me?" Scottyg-1 says, "Just dug out from under THAT last week!" Greg
says, "Michael, select the radio button next to the first mailbox, and then
click on MAILBOX SUMMARY" Severy-3 says, "Or Go To Mailbox"
Greg says, "I like MAILBOX SUMMARY. :) :) :) :)" Severy-3 grins.
Severy-3 says, "I wonder why? ;-)"
Severy-3 says, "Ok, Ian, you're set up now" Greg D
Arthur says, "Randall, actually, just email a password to kokhmmm@aol.com"
Greg says, ":D, too"
Arthur says, "This is for the Moo"
dcarson says, "while we're updating the user interface I'd like to close
the guestbook, we've had nothing but spammers in it for months now. Or
change it to not allow a URL so they can't just put a good site note and a
link to their page." Arthur says, "Or maybe you guys should talk directly?"
Arthur says, "I'll second that"
Arthur says, "(Dan's comment)"
Greg says, "Dana, I have no problem with closing the guest book." dcarson
says, "will do than"
Greg says, "I completely forgot that it existed. " dcarson says,
"guestbooks seem to be a thing of the past on the net" Greg says, "Where do
we link the guest book? tlrc.com?" Severy-3 says, "Yup, I deleted a couple
hundred "Great Site!" messages from the guestbook" dcarson says, "and the
asi site has/had a link" Michael says, "so how do we want to coordinate
going through this mail?" dcarson says, "and then there is the guy that
keeps posting th 2 page ad for hotels in Turkey" Greg says, "I've always
wanted to visit Turkey. We have a webmaster there." Severy-3 says, "We
really need someone who can take charge of the Info mailbox and delegate
responses to a team of people, and I'd rather it not be me ;-)" Greg says,
"Michael, I know! We'll put you in charge of the team that keeps up with
the mail! :)" Severy-3 says, "Yup, I waded through a lot of ads for hotels
in Turkey..." kokhmmm arrives.
Severy-3 says, "Hi, Peter!"
Greg says, "Hi Peter!"
Arthur says, "Hi Peter!"
Severy-3 says, "We're talking about a large backlog of e-mails to ASI/Moon
Society support e-mail addresses" Severy-3 says, "Point a web browser at
http://www.moonsociety.org/helpdir and whisper a preferred username and
password to me" Severy-3 says, "I also need someone to draft up some
autoreply e-mail templates for the individual mailboxes in the system"
kokhmmm says, "password works. I was putting it in brackets and that was
the problem" Severy-3 says, "Ian, you're our captive writer ;-), can you
draft some templates?" Michael says, "as in "thank you for your message,
we're busy so we might get back to you sometime next month"? ;-)" Scottyg-1
says, "Hi Peter!"
Arthur says, "I have erased it from my memory Peter, so don't worry about
that :-)" kokhmmm says, "How long were these emails piling up?" irs says,
"Gimme a hint what you want them to say." Severy-3 says, "About a year and
a half, Peter" dcarson says, "with helpdir since anyone can just go to the
mailbox and take ownership of a thread we don't have to coordinate too
heavily, just all do a few when we have time" Severy-3 says, "I can send
you some samples, Ian" irs says, "yeah, okay"
Severy-3 says, "The main thing that needs to be done is someone to keep
after the rest of the team to stay on it, Dana, otherwise we fall victim to
the assumption that "someone else" will take care of them" kokhmmm says,
"We need an Official Greeter, I think - something more than a form
e-letter" dcarson says, "yep, everyones job is noones job etc." Severy-3
says, "Hmm, there were two ASI members who volunteered to answer Guestbook
postings a while back, are they still around and does anyone remember who
they were?" Arthur says, "chief public relations officer :-) ?" dcarson
says, "edresses should be in the mail alais file" irs says, "Way back when,
we tried to set up a greeting desk (was it Nanci?) to respond to every
message as it came in and forward it to the proper person. That's what we
need to do if we can." irs says, "No, Arthur, that's not the pr department
(can't be: not enough hours in the day)." Severy-3 says, "The autoreply
messages provide an instant response, at least letting people know that
their message was received, until a real person can formally greet them"
Severy-3 says, "Yes, Ian, Nanci used to manage this mailbox until she
couldn't any more" Severy-3 says, "Then someone at Bigelow tried to keep up
with it for a while, but by early last year that effort faded away as well"
Michael says, "I suggest we rotate it on a monthly basis amongst 3-4
people... " Severy-3 says, "Sounds like a good idea, Michael!" dcarson
says, "aliases:tlrc-guestbook: dcarson, artemis@asi.org, Pioneer@televar.com"
Michael says, "I'll take the first month for new messages...." Severy-3
says, "Can I twist your arm to round up those 3-4 people on a monthly
basis? ;-)" kokhmmm says, "Some kinds of letters may need to be directed to
certain people. Maybe we could generate a few prepared replys, ready to
customize, to fit most common type of inquiries." Michael says, "actually,
I was thinking more of 1 person per month.... if 3-4 people do it all at
once then everyone will expect the other guy to do it..." Severy-3 says,
"Yup, that's what Help Director's e-mail templates are designed for, we can
prepare canned replies for common questions" dcarson says, "it does
templates, Ian said he'd help write them" Severy-3 says, "Do you want to
use the same username and password for Help Director as you logged in here
with, Peter?" Scottyg-1 says, "Randall, I'm a little confused." Severy-3
says, "About what, Scotty?"
kokhmmm says, "Yes"
Scottyg-1 says, "For example, the 5th from the last message in the Mailbox
Summary is R1R4N6" Arthur says, "Hey, I have popups turned off..."
Scottyg-1 says, "When I click on R1R4N6, I get one message." Severy-3 says,
"Ok, you should be able to log in now, Peter" Scottyg-1 says, "When I click
on the date beside it, I get a different message." Severy-3 says, "All of
the threads should have only a single message" Severy-3 says, "Hmm, that
shouldn't happen" Scottyg-1 says, "Clicking on the date brings up R7U1B6"
Severy-3 says, "Yup, something's haywire in there, I'll look at it after
the meeting" Severy-3 says, "This screen is still under heavy development
;-)" Scottyg-1 says, "Ok. I was worried I was the one going nuts." Michael
says, "ok, I'll take the action item to find 3 other people to handle the
new messages. Is there a way to forward the mail directly to our in boxes
or do we need to handle it via the web interface?" kokhmmm says, "I'm just
listening"
Severy-3 says, "Pioneer@televar.com is Robert Dahlquist, he's been pretty
active lately" dcarson says, "I emailed you a glitch also Randall" Severy-3
says, "Michael, can you ask Robert if he'd be willing to help out with the
help desk effort?" irs says, "If we're gonna have people forwarding e-mail
requests, we're going to need a good list of who they forward what to, and
those recipients are going to have to be on top of answering." Arthur says,
"I take it we'll all just go through the old ones as we get a chance?"
Michael says, "sure..."
Scottyg-1 says, "Michael, I think it defeats a lot of the benefits of the
system for you to handle it thru your personal mail." dcarson says, "look
in user prefs, you can have things forwarded to you as they come in it
looks like" Severy-3 says, "Go to User Admin, Edit User Info and check the
Mailbox Subscriptions that you want" Severy-3 says, "Personal mail works
fine, Scotty, as long as you're disciplined about Ccing or Bccing the
mailbox on all replies" Michael says, "good.... I get so much mail that I
need to run it through my local mail filters so I can handle the
deluge...." irs says, "If I'm getting this mail, I'll need to be reminded
which mailbox I'm bccing." Scottyg-1 says, "Its the Reply-To thats the
problem Randall." Severy-3 says, "If you're working on a reply that may
take a while, take ownership of a thread using the Assign Users screens so
that others don't reply to it" Severy-3 says, "True, Scotty, you need to
have your e-mail client configured to reply from the mailbox address"
Severy-3 says, "With most e-mail clients that's pretty easy these days,
though" Michael says, "I can do that...."
Michael says, "mutt rules (I can set completely arbitrary rules for what
reply-to gets set too)" Severy-3 says, "Yup, I use Eudora personalities for
that, it's done automatically" Arthur says, "Ok, sounds like we have a
handle on this one. Thanks for setting up this new system Randall!"
Scottyg-1 says, "But don't forget that the Reply-To will be put on ALL your
mail." Scottyg-1 says, "Unless you use personalities." Severy-3 says,
"Right, it depends on the e-mail client" kokhmmm says, "I don't use a
client. No Eudora, no Outlook Express. Just AOL direct. In fact I deleted
all the client software. So I need to reinstall?" Severy-3 says, "FYI,
these mailboxes receive e-mail for both asi.org and moonsociety.org, there
aren't two different systems" Michael says, "mutt gives me complete
programmatic control over all headers (unlike brain dead GUI mailers that
hide headers from you). I can set it so that anytime anyone says "booger
eater" that my reply-to gets set to santa@iraq.com for just that message."
Severy-3 says, "You can do everything through the web browser if you want,
Peter" Scottyg-1 says, "No, just use the Help Director interface Peter."
Severy-3 says, "Ok, I don't want to consume the whole meeting on just this
one topic, it sounds like we've got a good start on things" Michael says,
"ok, I'm looking at the Edit Mailbox page for the Information Requests
mailbox. I assume that if I check my name beside Assigned Users that I will
get the email that's sent to that address?" Severy-3 says, "No, Michael,
that means you will own any new incoming messages by default" Severy-3
says, "You need to check the Mailbox Subscriptions options in Edit User
Info" kokhmmm says, "Okay. Compared to you guys,I'm a neophyte. I use wsd
all the time. Where do I find Help Director?" Severy-3 says, "
http://www.moonsociety.org/helpdir" Arthur says, "Randall only just
announced the site earlier in the meeting - probably forgot to repeat since
you joined!" Severy-3 says, "Most of the folks here haven't seen Help
Director before tonight, so you're not any more of a neophyte than most of
them" dcarson says, "helpdir is new to most of us, its Randalls newest
tool" Severy-3 says, "The SimsHost project has been beating it into shape
over the past few months, it's stable enough now to handle other sites"
kokhmmm says, "okay,got it."
Michael says, "ok, under my user preferences I've selected all of the
mailboxes under Mailbox Subscriptions, right?" Scottyg-1 says, "Yep, only
Randall, Greg, Dana, and I have seen it before." Severy-3 says, "Yup, any
mailboxes you are subscribed to will automatically forward incoming mail to
you" Michael says, "what's 'Notifications' for? (i.e. Overnight?
Reminder?)" Severy-3 says, "While wading through the backlog of mail, I
noticed that there are a variety of newsletters and regular e-mails that
the various support addresses were subscribed to, we probably need to
figure out how to unsubscribe from those" dcarson says, "so it will nag you
if you 'own' something and haven't dealt with it" Severy-3 says, "Help
Director will send out a nightly summary of messages in the system"
Severy-3 says, "The reminder report includes messages that have been
waiting for over a week" Michael says, "ahhh....ok... nagware... ;-)"
dcarson says, "some of those are probably spammers and can be dealt with by
auto trashing" Severy-3 says, "Ok, let's move on to some of the other
proposed agenda items" Michael says, "ok... next topic? (now that we've
beaten that one into hamburger meat)" Severy-3 says, "It sounds like the
next hottest topic is web site updates and the moribund web team" Arthur
says, "Yup"
Severy-3 says, "John Schrock seemed to be willing to take a crack at
getting something going there again" Severy-3 says, "And he definitely has
the persistence needed to keep that going" Scottyg-1 says, "Ok, lets be
clear about web teams, since there are two." Scottyg-1 says, "Are we
talking about ASI or Moon Society?" Arthur says, "I think the biggest thing
we need is for somebody to review all the web pages we have publicly
available, on moonsociety.org and asi.org, and figure out a rational
"consolidation" or separation of them so it'll be easier to maintain in
future..." Michael says, "you know what might be useful? A MOO tutorial for
how to update pages on the site(s). I think for most folks the learning
curve is high enough that they're scared off from helping...." Severy-3
says, "We've built a number of tutorials for updating the site over the
years, Greg keeps churning them out ;-)" kokhmmm says, "Perhaps we should
all write up a list of what we think needs fixing on both asi.org and
moonsociety.org websites, and email it around before the next meeting so we
can talk about priorities, and assign/accept responsibilities for
individual action items." Greg says, "Yeah. The web pages on asi.org really
need to be revamped. Define what should be on a public web and what should
be private." Severy-3 says, "It may be more a matter of pointing people at
them" Michael says, "the reporter I talked with yesterday was kind of
miffed at all the passwords on the ASI site....." Severy-3 says, "I don't
think we have the resources to run two separate web teams, Scotty, it may
be best to consolidate them into one" kokhmmm says, "I personally think
that too much is "private" and that this is counterproductive." Arthur
says, "I agree on that - one team for both, at least for now" Scottyg-1
says, "I agree Randall, but the rules of the road are somewhat different."
Michael says, "Peter, same here...."
Scottyg-1 says, "And they are separate systems, one of which isn't being
maintained." Greg says, "The original idea of making them private was to
encourage people to join. This doesn't not seem to have been an effective
move." Severy-3 says, "What do you mean by the rules of the road, Scotty?"
Arthur says, "IRS regulations possibly?" Scottyg-1 says, "Different
approval groups and criteria for the two sites." kokhmmm says, "I think the
incentive to join should be the opportunity to have an interactive role,
rather than the opportunity to read." Greg says, "Peter, yes."
Severy-3 says, "I'm not sure that the differences between the sites
obviates the ability to have a single web team, but it does make it a bit
more complicated" Severy-3 says, "Does anyone have any objections to giving
John a chance to see what he can do with the effort?" Michael says, "none
here...."
DaveW says, "none here"
kokhmmm says, "One thing we do have to have is one and the same chapter and
local contact list which is now 90% fictional on asi.org, and sad to say
70% fictional on moonsociety.org " Severy-3 says, "Yup, I agree, Peter, but
I'd like to treat maintaining the chapter information as a separate effort
than maintaining the web sites, that needs closer attention, I think"
Arthur says, "I agree with Peter's idea, that we each take a look at what
we think needs changing, and email suggestions for the next board meeting.
That doesn't mean John can't get started, but we should let him know the
board is planning to assign him some specific things to change after we've
had a chance to review them." Arthur says, "Or help him out with some
specific changes..." dcarson says, "have him email his top priorities
also?" Severy-3 says, "What if we dust off the Moon Society Web Team and
use that for discussions about the web site before the next meeting?"
Arthur says, "sure"
Severy-3 says, "And we can invite John to join us for part of the next
meeting to discuss web site issues" Arthur says, "Who's on that?"
Michael says, "helpdir question: when we respond via the website if the
From is set to info@moonsociety.org is that sufficient or do I need to Bcc
the mailbox as well?" Severy-3 says, "You don't need to Bcc the mailbox
from Help Director, it will automatically save the response in the thread"
Michael says, "thanks"
Severy-3 says, "At the moment the Moon Society web team is mostly us ;-)"
Severy-3 says, "Jim Burk (the former webmaster) is the only team member not
present in this room right now" Michael says, "I was going to say: if its
the same group of faces then there isnt' really a need to meet again just
with a different name." Severy-3 says, "And I just removed him from that
team..." Severy-3 says, "We shouldn't use the board mailing list for web
site discussions since John isn't on that list" Severy-3 says, "And I'm
getting tired of having to forward John's messages to the board all the
time ;-)" Arthur says, "Let's add John to it, and maybe one or two others.
We can use board meetings to meet on the subject, but email to the web team
list..." dcarson says, "also lets us sort it easier so we can folloew it"
Severy-3 says, "Yup, that should work, Arthur" Arthur says, "I believe Mike
Delaney has helped with the web site in the past - should he be on that?"
Severy-3 says, "Peter and Michael, you're not on that team yet, want me to
add you?" Scottyg-1 says, "For quite a while now, the Leadership Team is
the only one that meets regularly. Everyone on the other active teams is a
member of this one." Michael says, "next helpdir question: I"m in the
"assign user" page for a thread. To follow that thread do I want to be both
subscribed and owner or just owner?" Michael says, "sure...."
Severy-3 says, "Subscribed means you'll get any responses to the thread
automatically forwarded to you" Michael says, "same faces... just a
different meeting name on teh door..." Severy-3 says, "Owner is just an
identifier so that others will know you're in charge of the responses"
Michael says, "got it..."
dcarson says, "he is in the commons, we can ask" Michael says, "why does it
want a message body?" Severy-3 says, "I'm asking him now"
Severy-3 says, "You can automatically send an e-mail message to other folks
when you assign users" Michael says, "so if I'm just assigning it to myself
I just but some bla text in there to make the script accept the
assignment?" Severy-3 says, "Unless you check one of the e-mail choices you
don't need to enter anything into the body field" Michael says, "aha..."
kokhmmm says, "Randall, just noticed your question. If you can get by
without me, I have my hands full at nsschapters.org/hub/" kokhmmm says,
"and nsschapters.org/isdc/" Scottyg-1 says, "Peter, didn't you want to be
able to clean up the MMM situation?" kokhmmm says, "and getting out the
next mmm. It goes on. :-)" Arthur says, "Wasn't Amy helping out with MMM on
the website?" Severy-3 says, "Michael, I think you need to update your
member info in the Moon Society TeamDir system, it still has your netsol.com
e-mail address..." Scottyg-1 says, "I think you have to be on the Web Team
to do that." Arthur says, "I did a little bit with that a long time ago too
(some of the old issues) and could get back into it..." kokhmmm says, "Yes,
I didn't realize that was part of it. Count me in then by all means"
Severy-3 says, "Do you want to at least listen in on the web team mailing
list, Peter?" kokhmmm says, "Yes"
kokhmmm says, "I will surely have comments from time to time" Severy-3
says, "Ok, you're in"
Arthur says, "What's the web-team email address then?
web-team@moonsociety.org?" Severy-3 says, "Yup"
Michael says, "(one more homework answer: A) Price is to high for what its
worth)" Severy-3 says, "Ouch!"
Michael says, "that's what most of 'em have been like...." Severy-3 says,
"Ok, I think everyone here is now on the web team" Severy-3 says, "Ok, I'll
dump all of this on John the next time I see him, he may regret
volunteering very quickly ;-)" Severy-3 says, "And I'll invite him to stop
in during the next meeting to present some ideas for the web sites based on
discussions on the mailing list between now and then" Severy-3 says, "Ok,
have we done enough about web sites/web team stuff for tonight?" Severy-3
says, "I'd like to propose that we move on to chapter info and contact
lists..." Arthur says, "I think so"
Severy-3 says, "Peter, what do you suggest we do to get the chapter and
local contact information out of the fictional state it's in at the
moment?" Arthur says, "I liked the suggestion of having "outposts" :-)"
dcarson says, "I like it as well"
kokhmmm says, "You have gotten my email. I sent Tim a l about a dozen
contacts . He was going to follow up on that, but i haven;t herad back from
him." kokhmmm says, "Outposts, yes, it is a great term/idea" Severy-3 says,
"Yup, I like the term outpost as well" kokhmmm says, "I want to follow
through on my emails to the listed local contacts with phone calls, just to
make sure were not scratching someone off who is still willing" Scottyg-1
says, "I think its better to claim too little than to claim too much.
Credibility is one of our weakest areas and we shouldn't do anything to
make it worse." Scottyg-1 says, "So, I suggest that we should take the
existing list offline except for verified contacts." kokhmmm says, "Yes,
and if the chapter list is much shorter, that may encourage new people to
fill the void. " dcarson says, "agreed"
Michael says, "a short list of real chapters doing something is always
better than what looks like detritus collecting dust." Scottyg-1 says,
"Now...Tim is Chapters Coordinator." Arthur says, "Agreed. Should we wait
to hear from Tim, or is Peter's list good enough to trim to right now?"
kokhmmm says, "I will em tomorrow on the verified list I have" Scottyg-1
says, "But, if he's non-responsive, then we need to go around him." kokhmmm
says, "I have been keeping in touch with Tim, and I'dlike to have him in
the loop" Severy-3 says, "I don't think Tim is going to be able to do much
for a while, he seems to have his hands pretty full at the moment" kokhmmm
says, "Okay, I'm willing to keep at trying to verify the list and reach a
high level of confidence in it" Scottyg-1 says, "Randall, I agree. I don't
propose that we kick him out, just avoid letting him be a bottleneck."
Severy-3 says, "I agree, Scotty"
Severy-3 says, "I don't think Tim will mind if we go ahead with updates on
our own and just keep him informed of the changes" kokhmmm says, "As an
incentive and encouragement to new chapters like St. Louis, and a born
again Oregon chapter under Dick Steffens, I am giving space in the Moon
Society Journal section to chapters" Scottyg-1 says, "I also agree with
that." Severy-3 says, "Sounds like a good plan, Peter!" Arthur says, "Yes,
wonderful. "
Arthur says, "Like ad astra's NSS chapters list? How much space would it
take though?" kokhmmm says, "Randall, we need to set up Dick Steffens with
a user name and password so that he can take over the Oregon chapter
website now that Charles appears to be gone." Severy-3 says, "Ok"
Scottyg-1 says, "Um, shouldn't everyone present have Team Director access
to do that sort of thing?" kokhmmm says, "I din't mean that I'd ist every
month. What I meant is that I am going to print each chapters news, if they
send it to me. The idea is for each chapter to see what the other is doing
or trying to do and get encouraged in the process." Arthur says, "Ah"
kokhmmm says, "Randall, you have Dick Steffens email address? Or should I
have him email you?" Michael gets quietly excited about the fact that he'll
be able to fly some rockets this weekend.... Severy-3 says, "I think Dick's
e-mail address is in Team Director, I'm looking now" dcarson says, "sounds
like fun Michael" Michael says, "I might even bust a waiver...." Scottyg-1
gets quietly excited about needing to dodge Michael's rockets this weekend.
Michael says, "hehe... unless you're in middle Georgia I don't think you
need to worry." kokhmmm says, "Michael, are you a local contact? Where do
you live/" Michael says, "Atlanta, GA....."
kokhmmm says, "That answers the second question." Michael says, "I don't
think I'm a local contact...." kokhmmm says, "Scotty, anything left of the
Dallas chapter? Website is dormant." Scottyg-1 says, "Pretty much not
Peter." Michael says, "any other agenda items?" Scottyg-1 says, "Of the
three Chapter officers, I think I'm the onlt one still a member." kokhmmm
says, "We could delist the chapter, but would you or socal contact, er
outpost?" Scottyg-1 says, "I think you were asking if it was ok to list me
as Local Contact, in which case the answer is "yes"." Severy-3 says,
"Peter, where is the Oregon chapter web site?" kokhmmm says, "m some time
ago that if the MMM Mailing list had expiration dates, that we'd be willing
to highlight them in red as the date approaches as a reminder to renw."
kokhmmm says, "chapter.asi.org/oregon"
Arthur says, "The other item that was brought up was posting meeting
agendas, and minutes..." Severy-3 says, "I would be willing to send out
meeting agendas beforehand, but I think there were some concerns about
minutes, which I share" dcarson says, "private ones for board members,
officiers eltc definitly, doesn't require much work" Michael says, "here's
a suggestion: since the recorder is running simply saw whatever you want in
the public minutes but preface it with some prefix like *PUBLIC* and then
just grep the recording to produce the public version." dcarson says,
"public ones if someone can find the time to check if they have anything
that needs removing" Arthur says, "we do have the
moonsociety.org/private/board site to post such things (there are some old
minutes there right now)" kokhmmm says, "Yes, I think that in the spirit of
"open meetings? if someone asks to see the minutes, that should be okay,
but there is no need to load up members mailboxes with them. What would be
good is to have a list of action items taken care of that i could report in
mmm" Severy-3 says, "Yup, we can distribute the minutes amongst ourselves,
but how about if we just stick with agendas for public announcements for
the time being?" Michael says, "sounds fine... I don't really have a strong
opinion either way...." kokhmmm says, "Okay, Randall"
Arthur says, "On the web site, or to asi-list?" Severy-3 says, "If someone
is ambitious enough to write up a summary of meeting results for public
consumption, that would be great, but we may be biting off too much to try
that right away" kokhmmm says, "I guess I'll get used to Moo eventually. I
type way too fast for my buffer and that is frustrating" Severy-3 says, "I
can send a preliminary meeting agenda to artemis-list a day or two before
the meeting" Severy-3 says, "You should download one of the standalone MOO
clients, Peter, that should solve any buffer problems" Arthur says, "Well,
it's been 2 hours, and I think Scotty has to go. We've covered 4 items,
which I think isn't bad..." Michael points out that no one here has turned
in their homework yet.... ;-) kokhmmm says, "That way, people on artemis
list can propose agenda items?" Scottyg-1 says, "Peter, I use TkMOO Lite.
Its nice and simple and works well." kokhmmm says, "Does it go with Mac OS
8.6?" Arthur says, "I think randall's suggestion on the agendas is a good
compromise. Officially proposed then?" Scottyg-1 says, "I'm ok for now if
we have more to cover Arthur." Severy-3 says, "Yes, it would probably help
a lot of folks on artemis-list feel that they can suggest things for the
agenda" dcarson says, "a very productive meeting, thanks to the new members
for geting us kick started" Severy-3 says, "Dana and Greg can suggest Mac
MOO clients, Peter" irs says, "What Dana said. I've got a faculty meeting
early in the morning, so I can't stay on too much longer." Severy-3 says,
"Yup, fresh blood always helps get things moving again" Severy-3 says,
"Although I'm going to have to start taping West Wing from now on, I can't
multitask that well with an active meeting going on ;-)" kokhmmm says, "So
does a lot of wheat bread :-)" dcarson says, "I like Rapscallion, but Mac
MOOSE works pretty well and is free, both work under System 8" kokhmmm
says, "Thanks, Dana"
irs says, "I was thinking something like that myself, Randall. But this
"Birds of Prey" (on oppposite "West Wing") also seems pretty good."
Scottyg-1 says, "Peter, TkMOO Lite is available for Mac. See
http://www.awns.com/tkMOO-light/" dcarson says, "Birds of Prey, that what I
forgot to tape" Michael says, "west wing is just way to liberal for
me.....blood pressure goes up to high...." irs says, "We saw the premiere;
it was pretty good. Taped it tonight (don't know if we missed an ep last
week or not)." Michael says, "good news, btw, doctor took me off Coumadin
yesterday...." kokhmmm says, "Thanks, Scotty"
irs says, "Oh yeah, it's flaming liberal. On the other hand, that political
stuff is like candy to me; I love it." Severy-3 says, "Yup, I don't
necessarily agree with the politics, but Sorkin can sure write!" Michael
says, "now if they had a convervative (I could only hope for a libertarian
one) version I'd be all over that one..." irs says, "OK, I'm gonna have to
get going. Unless I'm needed for something else tonight?" Severy-3 says,
"Anyway, it sounds like some folks need to leave, so we should officially
bring this meeting to a close" irs says, "Oh, and Dana: see you Friday."
dcarson says, "yep"
Michael says, "I was starting to fade out myself...." Severy-3 says,
"Anyone is welcome to stick around afterwards to continue informally"
dcarson says, "anything I should bring?" dcarson hands Randall a gavle
Severy-3 says, "Any objections to adjourning for the night?" irs says,
"Actually, yeah. Wanna bring your framed poster, and I'll bring the
rolled-up ones I've got to sell?" Michael says, "motion to adjourn
seconded..." Severy-3 says, "(we'll keep this informal ;-))" Arthur says,
"I'll email a short summary to the board list, for Amy's minutes" dcarson
says, "sure"
Arthur says, "Good night then everyone!" Michael says, "g'nite!"
irs says, "Good. Thanks."
dcarson says, "aye"
Severy-3 says, "No objections, heard, so "thwap!", the meeting is
adjourned!" kokhmmm says, "Bye for now. I'll be on time next time. how do I
exit?" irs says, "Good night, gang."
Arthur says, "Type @quit"
Scottyg-1 says, "G'nite!"
Michael goes home.
kokhmmm has disconnected.
Severy-3 says, "Actually, Arthur, I was planning to e-mail the recorder log
to the board list so everyone will have a full record" irs says, "Oh, uh.
Turns out my teaching gig ends next Friday (not enough classes next term
for all the new adjuncts), so if anyone's got a day-job that's crying for
me, let me know." Severy-3 says, "Ouch! Sorry to hear that, Ian" irs says,
"Yeah, well, it was 50-50 that they'd have a place for me when they hired
me originally. Now, however, I have real-world teaching experience on my
resume." irs says, "Anyway, I'm gonna get going. See y'all later." irs has
disconnected.
Arthur says, "Oh, just mailed my notes - well, a short summary doesn't hurt
- as long as it's not wrong :-)" Severy-3 says, "Yup, that doesn't hurt"
Scottyg-1 says, "Arthur, you can also get the full meeting text back from
the MOO." dcarson says, "easier to read"
Arthur says, "You mean from the MOO client log? Or the recorder here?"
Scottyg-1 says, "Neither, quite."
The housekeeper arrives to cart kokhmmm off to bed. Scottyg-1 says,
"There's a different port you can connect to. Randall or Dana, do you know
it? I can't remember." Scottyg-1 says, "And then you can individually
download MOO objects." Severy-3 says, "7000, I think, although I may have
disabled that access for security reasons" Severy-3 says, "But you can also
replay the log from the recorder, although I need to add a verb to replay
it privately, it's a pain to play it back to everyone in the room"
Scottyg-1 says, "Oh, ok. I haven't done it in quite a while." The
housekeeper arrives to cart irs off to bed. Severy-3 switches places with
Severy

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