-- Start log: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 9:01:39 pm ASI Meeting Server time --

MikeD says, "dying without notice wasn't part of my plans" Severy-4 says,
"Michael won't be joining us tonight..." Severy-4 says, "He almost died
without notice :-(" saavik says, "Yikes!!!"
saavik says, "What?????"
john-r says, "Hi Scotty, :) where is that in the rules? or is it unwritten,
and we get sucked into the swirl of star travel" Scottyg says, "(Plagarized
from the company rules spoof that went around a while back." kokhmmm has
arrived.
Severy-4 says, "Michael just got home from the hospital, after an exact
copy of the procedure I went through last spring" dcarson says, "eek"
MikeD says, "Shee...."
Severy-4 says, "Chest pain followed by angioplasty followed by stent, he's
not quite up to a meeting tonight..." MikeD says, "You don't say"
kokhmmm says, "Hi all. Aren't you too young for that?" Severy-4 says, "Umm,
yeah, that's what everyone keeps telling us :-(" MikeD says, "They are,
that's what's scary Peter" Scottyg says, "Not fun, but glad to hear they
caught it at that stage." dcarson says, "a friend of ours went in the other
week for a follow up on a stent, it was fine but he had enough blockage
elsewhere that they did a triple bypass the next day" Severy-4 says, "And
Michael's younger than I am!" Severy-4 says, "Yikes!"
MikeD says, "And I'm older than Randall" kokhmmm says, "Hmm! Just turned
65. My doc says I'm a young man with wrinkles :)" MikeD laughs.
Scottyg says, "LOL. I think Peter is our senior person, followed by me."
Scottyg says, "(I just turned 57)"
Greg-1 just turned 102.
john-r says, "(50 this last sept)"
MikeD says, "Did you guys get my message about my MMM subscription?" Greg-1
says, "Or maybe it just feels like it." saavik says, "I'll just stick to
being the baby :-)" MikeD says, "I'm one of the kids at 42" saavik is quite
30 yet
saavik says, "err is not"
Arthur arrives.
Arthur says, "Hi"
dcarson says, "44 the other week"
kokhmmm says, "Hi Arthur"
Arthur reads the meeting agenda
john-r says, "Amy must be the youngest then, if i remember correct" saavik
says, "Yes"
john-r says, "Is greg 80 or something?" saavik says, "unless simon is
lurking in the hallway :-)" Severy-4 grins.
MikeD says, "So is this a preliminary discussion before the introductio of
age-sm" saavik says, "(Simon has me way beat)"
MikeD says, "age-ism that is"
Severy-4 says, "Ok, let's get this show on the road..." Severy-4 says, "I
didn't update the agenda web page, so don't bother reading it :-(" Severy-4
says, "So we'll kind of wing it tonight..." john-r notes the rain on the
weather map is around for an hour, but no yellow headed this way) Arthur
says, "I don't know how anybody does anything this time of year... :-)"
Severy-4 says, "But as we agreed last time, we'll take the agenda items in
reverse order, to catch some of the ones we haven't before" kokhmmm says,
"Yes, this is a hectic time" john-r says, "Lets get this show launched :)"
dcarson reads the meeting agenda
Severy-4 says, "Don't bother, Dana :-)" Severy-4 says, "But first is a new
agenda item, requested by Scotty: Bumper Stickers" MikeD says, "Where can I
find the old meeting agenda?" Arthur says, "read agenda is the old agenda"
Severy-4 says, "What Dana just did ..." john-r says, "Ck the e-mail of an
hr ago for agenda" Severy-4 says, "I took that agenda and reversed it, but
some of the items may no longer be needed" john-r says, "is the recorder
on?"
MikeD says, "I didn't get the email of an hour ago" john-r says, "And Ian
is on the road right?" Severy-4 says, "Yes, the recorder is on" Severy-4
says, "Ok, Scotty, you're up"
saavik says, "Ok, so what is the bumper sticker?" Scottyg says, "We supply
two membership incentives..." Scottyg says, "A Reference Mission poster on
initial membership,,," Scottyg says, "And a Moon Society bumper sticker on
renewal." MikeD says, "I just lost mine"
Scottyg says, "We have run out of bumper stickers, so I need to know what
action the Board wants." dcarson says, "order more I'd say"
john-r says, "from majordom@localhost"
john-r says, "michaeldelaney@earthlink.net" john-r says, "(reason: 550
michaeldelaney@earthlink.net...User unknown)" john-r says, "... while
talking to mx04.earthlink.net.:" john-r says, ">>> RCPT To:<
michaeldelaney@earthlink.net>" john-r <- << 550
michaeldelaney@earthlink.net...User unknown john-r says, "550 5.1.1
michaeldelaney@earthlink.net... User unknown" john-r says, " to MikeD"
Scottyg says, "Last time, we decided that 1000 stickers for about $250.00
was the best deal for us." john-r says, "that failed :( sorry"
Arthur says, "Any consideration of jazzing up the bumper sticker at all?"
MikeD says, "You'd need a logo for that" Scottyg says, "Jazzing can quickly
get expensive." john-r says, "And before we go too dee on bumber sticker,
will a official board meeting be started to approv it?" Scottyg says,
"Paarticularly re multi-color." MikeD says, "What were the current ones
Scotty? Blue 7 Black?" MikeD says, "7 = &"
kokhmmm says, "BTW, I have a suggestion. Along with the Reference Mission
Poster, send the address of the website that gives step by step
instructions for turning it into an exhibit. It's up, and I'll send in the
URL" Scottyg says, "Black on white background." kokhmmm says, "Scotty, can
you do graytones for the price of B&W?" MikeD says, "Yes now I remember"
MikeD says, "That involves a more expensive process John" MikeD says, "or
Peter even"
Scottyg says, "IIRC, they don't guarantee the quality for grey scale."
dcarson says, "Sounds goof Peter, might get some interest" kokhmmm says, "I
recently ordered color T-shirts for a local club at no extra expense
because they used a digital process and not o seperate screen for each
color - we had 7 colors. Don't see why a bumper sticker can't be done the
same way. Need to contact more sources." Scottyg says, "We researched this
with some care the last time, but parameters do change." MikeD says, "Can
the people who did the Tshirts do bumper dtickers" kokhmmm says, "Dana, the
idea of sending exhibit instructions is to get more Outpost (local contact)
volunteers. We are now up to 13 US (from 11) and 7 foreign (from 6)"
Scottyg says, "They charge extra for each additional color, and only
guarantee alignment of colors to within 1/8 inch." MikeD says, "Ouch!"
kokhmmm says, "I can contact the Milwaukee source and get a quote on
multicolor bumper stickers IF he does pumbper stickers. Digital images are
scanned and there is no alignment problem." Arthur says, "How long does
1000 last us for? 3-4 years?" kokhmmm says, "Also, why not call them
"bumper/luggage" stickers - who's got bumpers any more/!" Arthur says,
"though we could be optimistic about membership growth..." kokhmmm says,
"And on the digital bumper stickers, quantity does not matter." Scottyg
says, "Since we are out of stickers, this needs quick action. Can you get a
quick answer Peter?" MikeD says, "Also I have some interesting luggage
tags, but I don't know where to get them in bulk" kokhmmm says, "I can get
an answer by Monday or so, I think" Scottyg says, "I suspect the price you
pay for the flexibility iscost. We only paid $0.25 each." Arthur says, "The
main reason I like my bumper sticker is it makes it very easy to find my
car amid all the other Saturns at work :-)" kokhmmm says, "We got our
T-shirts for $5.25" kokhmmm says, "Quality, with pockets"
dcarson says, "I need a new one on my van, the old one used to help find
it, but the bumper got replaced" Scottyg says, "1000 should last us 3 to 4
years. We sold part of the first batch to Lunar Traders is why we're out
now." kokhmmm says, "Stickers also make it easier to find your luggage on
the carousel" Arthur says, "good point"
kokhmmm says, "And they provide advertising on your brief case" saavik
says, "man the dog is ornery tonight" dcarson says, "unless someone finds a
comparable price I'd say order another batch" kokhmmm says, "If I can get a
quote by tomorrow afternoon, I'll email you, Scotty." MikeD says, "Am I
lagged or are you guys awfully quiet?" Scottyg says, "And if we're gonna
change it, who does the artwork?" kokhmmm says, "Does the present design
lend itself to colorizing?" MikeD says, "Not really Peter"
Scottyg says, "Not particularly."
kokhmmm says, "Okay, we go with present design, but I'll get a quote on
multicolor for future options" Scottyg says, "It just the words "Moon
Society" in large print with "www.moonsociety.org" in smaller print below
that IIRC." kokhmmm says, "And can't we just make a bumper sticker design
on the computer and make it available as a pdf file for printout on peel n
stick gloss paper?" Severy-4 says, "Ok, have we finished the Bumper Sticker
discussion?" john-r says, "and for future promotions? as we may send some
out to other interested groups like the states space agencys-or something
on that line" Scottyg says, "Black letters on white background." john-r
says, "good idea o-Peter on pdf" Scottyg says, "Ok, would someone make a
motion and lets vote on it?" kokhmmm says, "Greg, you said you liked the
logo on the bumper sticker. That implies there is more than text." Arthur
says, "There's a moon-in-motion on the left side" Arthur says, "3 crescents
and then a solid black circle" Arthur says, "(from memory)"
kokhmmm says, "We were wondering last time if that artwork was online
somewhere. Did anyone find it?" dcarson says, "move we order a new batch of
bumperstickers" Scottyg says, "I don't think it is, but if I can be excused
from the meeting for a bit I'll upload it." Scottyg says, "(Its on another
computer in a different room.)" saavik reads the meeting agenda
john-r says, "Vote first Scotty the go get? ok :)" MikeD says, "The current
Bumper Sticker looks a lot like this
http://www.moonsociety.org/images/msbs3.gif" kokhmmm says, "And that looks
more like a rolling 8- ball than the Moon in motion, IMHO." MikeD laughs.
MikeD says, "It does too"
Arthur says, "Yup, could be better."
Arthur says, "Scotty, what's the price jump if we just do 1 year's worth,
say 300?" john-r says, "we need to vote or let scotty get the other image"
MikeD says, "Don't they ask for a minimum rder?" Arthur says, "Ok, 2
minutes of silence is enough, let's go with 1000 for $250" Arthur says,
"Next item?"
Scottyg says, "The bumper sticker is at
http://www.moonsociety.org/private/leaders/MoonSocietyBumperSticker-300.gif"
Arthur says, "Oh, Scotty was away from the computer, sorry..." Scottyg
says, "The per-sticker cost is about twice as high." kokhmmm says, "change
that to a rolling bownling ball on the way to a strike" kokhmmm says, "er,
bowling"
Arthur says, "So, say, $150 for 300, or $250 for 1000?" Severy-4 says, "Ok,
what are the action items for the bumper sticker?" Arthur says, "Peter will
find out pricing from his guy, and for color?" Arthur says, "And we need a
real logo sometime...?" john-r says, "Scotty-How long does it take for 1000
stickers to arrive after order?" kokhmmm says, "Yes, and Yes"
MikeD says, "Peter put up some Logo suggestions some time ago" Scottyg
says, "!ust rechecked the prices...." Scottyg says, "250 cost $162.51, and
1000 cost $273.67" john-r says, "And the Copyrite date - doe it need
changed to 2002 or 2003?" Scottyg says, "Thats for single color, 3 1/2 x 11
size" Scottyg says, "Excuse me - 3 x 11 1/2"
Scottyg says, "Order time is a couple of weeks generally." john-r says, "TY
Scotty"
Arthur says, "Well, I think the chance of not having a logo settled by the
time we run out again is enough (under the optimistic scenario that we get
lots of new registrations this year) to justify the extra $100... Motion to
approve (or second the previous motion)?" kokhmmm says, "Ok, second"
Greg-1 says, "What was the previous motion? Could someone restate it?"
Arthur says, "move we order a new batch of bumperstickers"" kokhmmm says,
"But we can do a color one later as a pdf version as I suggested, expense
borne by those who download it" Arthur says, "which wasn't very specific
..." Greg-1 says, "Oh. Sounds like a good idea to me!" Arthur says, "Next
agenda item?"
Severy-4 says, "Next up is the web site design" john-r says, "ok"
Scottyg says, "Ok, I understand I'm directed to order 1000 pcs of the
existing artwork." Arthur says, "We have a new possible volunteer to help
on that by the way - I just got email today from a renewing member, David
Lundeen." john-r says, "please see
http://www.moonsociety.org/cgi-bin/wsd/wsdapprove?ViewRequest=Go&RequestID=dxGFOt"
Arthur says, "Says he's a programmer, and would like to help out wherever
he can" Arthur says, "to scottyg: yes"
Severy-4 says, "Yes, David has been helpful in the past, he developed the
ADB index program" john-r says, "Hvae him join the web team Arthur" john-r
says, "have"
Arthur says, "Only problem his, he expired in September, and while he
renewed in November, we still don't have his data updated in teamdir"
Arthur says, "Can he still log in and do things now?" Severy-4 says, "Yes,
for the moment"
Arthur says, "Ok, I'll tell him where to sign up :-)" Severy-4 says, "I
haven't started removing expired members from teams yet, waiting on the
completion of the team overhaul" john-r says, "Is everyone able to see the
url?" kokhmmm says, "I can see it"
saavik says, "not me"
saavik says, "It won't take my apssword (no errors - it just keeps asking)"
john-r says, "If Dana or Randall has time in the next week- and since i am
asking that that page be published , like thr my -moon, it can be in the
private team area, like the testing of my-moon- ie only those in the know
can see it." Arthur says, "It asks me twice Amy"
saavik says, "it asked me 3 times already :-)" saavik says, "but I can try
again..."
kokhmmm says, "try your password instead of your apsword ;-)" Severy-4
says, "Username 'amy', don't know the password" john-r says, "it asks twice
because part of it is in the private team area" saavik says, "up to 5 times"
saavik says, "I can't get in"
Severy-4 says, "Try getting in through http://www.moonsociety.org/wsd/"
Severy-4 says, "If you can't get in there, whisper a new password to me and
I'll reset it" saavik says, "url not found"
Scottyg says, "http://www.moonsociety.org/cgi-bin/wsd/wsd" saavik says,
"sorry no go"
saavik says, "i'll just sit this one out" Severy-4 says, "Can you whisper a
new password to me? I'll change your password..." john-r says, "Dana and
Randall, did you understand my request above?" Severy-4 says, "Ok, try
again, Amy"
dcarson says, "I think so"
MikeD says, "I can't get in either Randall" john-r says, "Dana can you do
that in the next few days?" Severy-4 says, "Username 'mdelaney', Mike"
Severy-4 says, "whisper a new password if you can't get in" MikeD says,
"Correct randall, but I'm actually not able to connect" saavik says, "
http://www.moonsociety.org/cgi-bin/wsd/wsdwsdapprove?ViewRequest=Go&RequestID=dxGFOt"
saavik says, "is that it now?"
Severy-4 says, "Too many WSDs... :-)"
Severy-4 says, "
http://www.moonsociety.org/cgi-bin/wsd/wsdapprove?ViewRequest=Go&RequestID=dxGFOt"
saavik says, "
http://www.moonsociety.org/cgi-bin/wsd/wsdapprove?ViewRequest=Go&RequestID=dxGFOt"
saavik says, "oh"
saavik says, "no that is the same"
MikeD says, "Randall, I'm not getting a prompt, I'm being brought straight
in, but it's not loading fully" MikeD says, "I'm obviously already logged
in" Scottyg says, "When I loaded it, I had to enter two usernames and
passwords, one for wsd and the other for the Leaders private space."
kokhmmm says, "I just got right in"
MikeD says, "OK, MSIE lets me in"
Scottyg says, "(Its using an image from the private space.)" MikeD says,
"Where am I trying to get to then?" john-r says, "wsd arthur corrections
for john r schrock" john-r says, "in the moonsocitey site"
MikeD says, "Arthur corrections?"
john-r says, "Author Correction "
MikeD says, "OK, which one?"
john-r says, "for john r schrock (sorry)" john-r says, "whats new"
john-r [to begin]: debug , i need the use of templates in wsd, the private
team web space does not allow templates john-r says, "TO begin debug , i
need the use of templates in wsd, the private team web space does not allow
templates" MikeD says, "OK, I still have a couple of issues:" MikeD says,
"1 I don't like the black"
MikeD says, "2 You need to not use scaling for the picture, it distorts it"
MikeD says, "3 I want to get rid of all those white borders" john-r says,
"in time, i need to start debugging in the main site, but i can not publish
and i need Dana to help get the new new templates started" john-r says,
"then all those correctins can be done" kokhmmm says, "Proportions look
fine on my 800x640 screen. But I get a black left sidebar and a blue right
sidebar. Thought we settled on blue." john-r says, "and i want to push for
the new confence team, and the fist new page wants to be conferences,as it
leverages our resoureces and time" john-r says, "IMHO"
john-r says, "Blue is correct- I NEED HELP :) from Dana or Randall" john-r
[to get]: the ball rolling
john-r says, "TO get the ball rolling"
john-r notes his autosay is strange)
saavik says, "no, to is a verb in the moo" saavik says, "it does odd things"
john-r says, "TY :)"
MikeD says, "I was helping John, but then I started moving from one
continent to another. I can help again now" Severy-4 says, "John, you now
have Template Admin permission in WSD, just be careful in there :-)" saavik
says, "try saying you think sometimes (e.g. just type think and something)"
john-r says, "iits ok when i add "say foo" to the begging of the line"
john-r says, "Understood MikeD"
MikeD says, "Also, autosay misinterprets sentences beginning with who etc"
dcarson says, "the to ver is for saing somehting directed to someone with
it still being public unlike whisper" john-r says, "i am mostly saying , i
need the moon society templates started, so the rest of the corrections
cann fall into place" Greg-1 says, "Yup. Dumbest verb in the whole MOO!"
john-r says, "TY Randayy on new permissions" Greg-1 says, "John, if you
work on templates, it's a Really Good Idea to create a new template and
test the frijoles out of it before changing the ones that are in
production." john-r says, "Thats all on the web space for now, i will catch
Dana and Randall in the next 2 weeks (MY new jobb requires lots of time on
road at the moment)" MikeD says, "I would suggest doing this in the work
site we setup a couple of weeks ago" Scottyg says, "Randall, can you set up
a specific directory under wsd where John has publishing privelege?" john-r
says, "Agreed and understood Greg " kokhmmm says, "Yes, like load it as
index2.html and leave index.html intact " john-r says, "i agree Peter"
saavik reads the meeting agenda
dcarson says, "we'll be aroung John"
john-r says, "Next Item?"
saavik says, "Darn, I think I lagged"
kokhmmm says, "We wanted to start the new year with the new front page. Is
this date still realistic?" john-r says, "close :)"
john-r says, "i am a builder- use to fast track" kokhmmm says, "And do we
have a debut date for My Moon page?" john-r says, "if i get use f the
needed help and resources :)" john-r says, "for"
john-r says, "i skeed TWO letters not 3 :)" john-r says, "skiped"
Severy-4 says, "Sure can, Scotty, any suggestions for directory name?"
Arthur says, "There's a board meeting January 1? Are we meeting then?"
MikeD says, "Debut date for MyMoon depends on me finishing what I started,
I _will _ be dioing the team updates this weekend" kokhmmm says, "Directory
suggestion; test" Scottyg says, "Oh, how about /new-home-page/ Randall?"
john-r says, "New Dir name - practice or debug or in process" john-r says,
"in-process"
john-r says, "/ew-home-page/ is good too" kokhmmm says, "or pip for page in
progress" Scottyg says, "I like debug too."
john-r says, "pip is goooood - its short" Scottyg says, "And put a Leaders
dooe dragon on it." Scottyg says, "oops, door dragon even"
john-r says, "is that possable Scotty?" Severy-4 says, "Ok, /debug it is,
just a sec..." john-r says, "a sec is up :)"
Scottyg says, "Should be possible John, just needs the appropriate
.htaccess file." MikeD says, "Give the man a chance, he only has 10 fingers
and the system isn't quite up to Star Trek speech activation standards"
john-r says, "can i put a style sheet in the new dir - or do i have to have
acces lotts deeper(that i do not care to have at this time)\" Scottyg says,
"Not even HAL 9000 standards." john-r says, "LOL"
Severy-4 says, "Actually, the directory was created about two seconds
later, I'm configuring it now" MikeD says, "Style sheets can be done in the
page itself if you dont have alot of the," MikeD says, "them too"
Severy-4 says, "Ok, all ready to go"
Severy-4 says, "You can submit updates in /debug directly to publishing"
Scottyg says, "Style sheets can also be done in the wsd templates."
Severy-4 says, "And it has a door dragon tied to the /private/leaders
password file" john-r says, "Then i need a copy of the current moon soc
home page in the new debug dir-Randall- can you do that in 3.35 sec?"
saavik says, "I'm heading off - I don't think I'm needed here right now
anyway" Scottyg says, "The "door dragon" means only members of Leaders can
view it." saavik says, "I'll send the notes so far" john-r says, "I need to
see a style sheet, to see what they look like" saavik has disconnected.
john-r says, "whoose she be gone"
Scottyg says, "John, http://www.simshost.com uses style sheets." john-r
notes, he hears close thunder
Scottyg says, "They appear in the <head> section." john-r says, "you mean
the style sheets can be in a seperate file like Moon society oOR in the
head section?" Severy-4 says, "Ok, current moon society home page is in the
debug dir" Scottyg says, "I think the arrangement we have set up in /debug
will permit you full use of WSD features and allow efficient debugging."
john-r says, "And i can change the debug verson at will, and publish, and
no one but us leaders will see the goof ups :)" john-r says, "good deal"
john-r says, "NExt item then on agenda- ok?" Scottyg says, "John - yes,
style sheets can be embedded in the document or pulled in from a separate
file." john-r says, "TY Scotty"
Severy-4 says, "Ok, next up is the Alabama Aerospace Mini Grants" Severy-4
says, "Did we get to that last time?" The housekeeper arrives to cart
saavik off to bed. john-r says, "briefly"
john-r says, "I need to know, do we have any formal agreements avail as a
non profit to review a grant request?" john-r says, "and to then give the
funds for the grant" john-r says, "or are we at square one and need to do
all that it takes to review a grant request" john-r says, "done for now,
waiting on response :)" Severy-4 says, "I think we're pretty much at square
one" Scottyg says, "We don't have anything available and have never done
one so it will be a learning experience." Arthur says, "From granting
agencies I'm familiar with, the amount available is set, and then
applications are reviewed and rated and the most deserving given awards..."
john-r says, "Then i would suggest a special meeting in the next month or 2
to get that ball rolling, IMHO" Scottyg says, "I think the first step is
for the bod to decide if this is an activiyt we want to encourage." Arthur
says, "I think it would be good to set an amount we're willing to spend the
next year, or next 3 months, or whatever..." dcarson says, "Sounds like a
good one to me" john-r says, "I feel the Albama group is the tip of the ICE
Berg, given that all the states have there own space agency, and 25 and
50.00 grants can spread a lot of good will in several states" john-r says,
"aand at several well thoght out school locations" john-r says, "if i could
only spell"
john-r says, "and at several well thought out school locations, at 50.00
time 10 places is 500 dollars" john-r says, "in the next say 6-12 months"
john-r says, "Can i get a vote or a group consenses on a specila meet in
the next 60 days?" john-r says, "specific"
irs arrives.
Severy-4 says, "Hi, Ian!"
john-r says, "Evening Ian"
irs says, "Oops. Guess I joined the wrong meeting ('course, I'm probably
too late anyway, eh?)." irs says, "Sorry about my delay."
Scottyg says, "I don't think we can address this topic in isolation. We
need an overall budget before we can intelligently talk about allocating
funds." MikeD says, "My word I was just listening to him yesterday" john-r
says, "Always welcome- even if a tad late :)" kokhmmm says, "Hi, Ian"
Scottyg says, "So I instead propose a budget workshop." kokhmmm says, "Ian,
Fred Cassidy called me today, says he was contacting you too." john-r says,
"Good Point Scotty, yet all i am asking now, is a meeting to list wat
action items need done, and to get the backroom in order ready at the same
time as the funds are avaiable" john-r says, "so a budget meeting sounds
good for a starting point" dcarson says, "Scotty, we should do a budget
discussion, after the holidays I'd think" Scottyg says, "John, it could
work out that this isn't high enough in the priorities to be funded, so
time spent preparing might be wasted." Arthur says, "New years resolution
time, I'd think..." john-r says, "Understood Scotty"
Scottyg says, "But on all these budget-type issues, there are two
approaches...." Scottyg says, "One is to project income from current
experience and then decide how to allocate it." john-r says, "BTW the
funding issue is not just the Albama group alone, but and grant funding in
general" Scottyg says, "The other is to devise fund-raising activities to
fund important goals." john-r says, "Thats all i had fro now, and 11:00 is
fast apperoaching and so is the thunder" john-r says, "Good point also on
fund raising" kokhmmm says, "On t he point, LRS has regained access to ISDC
98 funds and may be able to partner on some grants, but we'd have to decide
on a case by case basis." john-r says, "I am embarresd on help dir - but my
excuse is new job" Arthur says, "congratulations in order?" john-r says,
"on new job? "
Arthur says, "Yes?"
john-r says, "my 3 week review is tormorrow-time permitting with my new
emploryer" john-r says, "so i hope congrats are in order-but time will
tell" Arthur says, "Ok, we have a board meeting 1 January (scheduled) - I
think we should plan to have the web site changes ready to decide go/no-go
by then, and make the decision at that time, right?" john-r says, "For now
i have to go"
Arthur says, "So, budget work maybe should wait until mid-January? Or Feb?"
john-r says, "i agree on Jan 1st go no go" Severy-4 says, "Sounds like the
right approach, Arthur" irs says, "I'll be out of town 1 January." irs
says, "Of course, I also have to read tonight's transcript to figure out
what the heck is going on." Scottyg says, "I'll also be out of town Jan 1"
Arthur says, "Who can be here then?"
MikeD says, "Me"
Severy-4 says, "use 'play current on recorder' if you want to catch up with
what's been said tonight" MikeD says, "And I'm out of town righ now"
kokhmmm says, "I reserve the right to be out of town :)" john-r says, "will
have to see how many hang overs also that may delay Jan 1st :)" john-r
says, "Night all"
Severy-4 says, "Good night, John!"
Arthur says, "Goodnight john"
irs says, "Whoa! Way too much data."
MikeD says, "Don't we observe holidays?" john-r has disconnected.
Arthur says, "Uh,"
Severy-4 says, "Holidays? What are holidays? :-)" irs says, "Depends which
holidays. I observe 2 February." irs says, "(Groundhog Day, for those who
don't know <g>.)" kokhmmm says, "So you are Punxawatany Phil!" Arthur says,
"Well, since Moon Society isn't exactly work, we don't exactly get any days
off, do we? :-)" Scottyg says, "I think Mid Jan is a good time to begin
budget talks." Severy-4 says, "Right, holidays give us more time to work on
this stuff..." kokhmmm [to the]: point of budget, I will send LRS proposal
on PDf issue in next coule of days. I've been very busy with personal
things irs says, "I'll read the transcript when we're done (otherwise,
you'll all be gone while I'm still reading)." Scottyg says, "And speaking
of budget, can we get to the MMM discussion?" Severy-4 says, "Ok, since Amy
couldn't stick around, we'll have to talk about 10k ideas next time"
Severy-4 says, "So that takes us to, MMM discussion :-)" Scottyg says, "Ok,
you don't have anything ready tonight Peter?" Severy-4 says, "I'm remiss in
my duties to work out an e-mail notification feature for the PDF
newsletter, I'll try to have that worked out before the next meeting"
kokhmmm says, "On MMM pdf, we have a proposal ready. Actually, it was ready
last week, but personal matters have kept me away from my keyboard and
that's why you don't have it. I'll send it tomorrow and then everyone will
have time to think about it" Scottyg says, "Peter and I have had some
private discussion of this." kokhmmm says, "Scotty, I hesitate to give the
proposal without laying out the reasoning and that is too lengthy for here"
The housekeeper arrives to cart john-r off to bed. Scottyg says, "I told
Peter that my own feeling about it was that the money involved is
relatively small and not a major issue with me." Arthur says, "Can you put
it up somewhere or send it to the leaders email list?" Scottyg says, "But
what is important to me is that we do this in a businesslike way and not
set precedents that are unwise." kokhmmm says, "I will send it tomorrow if
I can fit it in. Am busy until 3pm and after 5pm - I'll try to post it
soonest" Severy-4 says, "Ok, anything more on MMM tonight?" kokhmmm says,
"I am very late with December issue of MMM because of personal distractions
[;-)] enough said" Scottyg says, "Peter, FYI, I've also been remiss in not
following up more. I've had several distractions including a hack into my
server and surgery." MikeD says, "Other wondering if you guys got my
message about my hard copy subscription to MMM I have no questions" kokhmmm
says, "Mike, did you send me something for MMM?" kokhmmm says, "sorry, I
see it was a question about your subscription, not submission, oops!"
Scottyg says, "Yes, I got your message Mike" MikeD says, "OK, as long as
someone got it" MikeD says, "I moved 8000 miles Peter"
Scottyg says, "Due to reasons mentioned above, I'm behind on everything."
kokhmmm says, "what is your new location?" MikeD says, "Dublin, Ireland"
kokhmmm says, "Be sure to contact Dale Amon, cool guy!" MikeD says, "That
doesn't qualify for the $35 subscription and I don't believe it helps with
the bulk-rate either" MikeD says, "I have Dale's cell phone number" kokhmmm
says, "No, it costs about $2.40 to send you a hardcopy" kokhmmm says,
"that's a monthly cost, and by boat (sailboat)" MikeD says, "Yeah, so give
it to someone who need it, or something mutually beneficial." MikeD says,
"Hence the difference in overseas subscription costs" kokhmmm says, "Noted"
Severy-4 says, "Ok, considering the time in Dublin right now, let's move on
to Team and Mailing List infrastructure" MikeD says, "Ack!"
MikeD says, "Ack!"
Severy-4 grins.
MikeD says, "I've done almost nothing since tha last meeting" Arthur says,
"isn't 4 am the witching hour or something" MikeD says, "I already turned
into a leprechaun" Severy-4 says, "I have completed Team Director utility
programs that a) send out monthly reminders of team memberships and
includes gentle reminders for those about to expire, and b) removes all
team memberships for expired members" Severy-4 says, "The first will run
once a month, the second once a day" Severy-4 says, "But I don't want to
start them up until I've sent out an announcement to all members that such
actions will begin shortly, and give expired members a chance to renew
before they lose their team memberships" MikeD says, "How much grace period
wil you allow on expired members?" Severy-4 says, "And I don't want to send
out that announcement until it can include info on the new My Moon Society
and Teams pages" MikeD says, "After activation of the above" Severy-4 says,
"I think we've been giving a two-month grace period" MikeD says, "So, it's
a cutoff 60 days after epiration?" Severy-4 says, "It's the same period
used to switch an expired member from current to expired" Severy-4 says,
"Correct"
kokhmmm says, "I had offered to put expiration dates on the MMM mailing
labels, but our database manager balked at that." Severy-4 says, "But I
don't plan on publicizing that grace period" Severy-4 says, "Why did he
balk, Peter?" MikeD says, "He didn't want to add a field" Arthur says, "We
do have a sort of current problem with some expired members that have
renewed but we've been taking 1.5 + months to get their new data into WSD
again" Arthur says, "anybody able to help scotty get that more automated?"
Severy-4 says, "I'm a bit confused by that, Arthur, isn't Jennifer
processing the memberships every two weeks?" kokhmmm says, "Because he
didn't want to key it all in. He took over from Joe Mackowski and had to
learn how to do everything from scratch. Once he is more comfortable with
the job, I'll aks hi again." MikeD says, "We also still have a few members
with duplicate entries, one old, one current" dcarson says, "like Dale"
MikeD says, "Like Dale"
Severy-4 says, "Team Director now generates the expiration dates in the
data file, there shouldn't be any re-keying needed" MikeD says, "That
depends on the database Peter's colleague is using" Arthur says, "Well, we
were behind on actually processing the credit card orders, and then it's
two weeks after that (and she's waiting on bumper stickers)" Scottyg says,
"There are a number of reasons why processing has been slow." kokhmmm says,
"Mike, you guessed it. Databases and spreadsheets are new to him and he has
to go to the library to do this as he refuses to buy his own computer.
Unfortunately, we have no one else to turn to right now." Severy-4 says,
"Can't we get them into the system and send out an e-mail while waiting on
sending out the physical package with the bumper stickers?" Scottyg says,
"I've been slow at times processing the online and mail-in renewals."
Scottyg says, "The there may be up to two weeks before Jennifer process
them." MikeD says, "That's a tough one Peter, what is he using?" kokhmmm
says, "Randall, I'll keep working on him. but I have learned to be patient
with him." Severy-4 says, "I understand, Peter"
Scottyg says, "And finally, she objects to having to deal with them twice,
so she's on hold processing renewals because of bumper stickers." Arthur
says, "The credit card and wsd entry is rather labor-intensive right now."
Severy-4 says, "Uggh"
MikeD says, "I can't sat that I blame her" MikeD says, "too"
Severy-4 says, "Did we know before tonight that we were running low on
bumper stickers?" Scottyg says, "I knew we were low, but we keep running
off the end of the agenda and I kept forgetting to add it in advance."
dcarson says, "does Tim have many?"
Severy-4 says, "Oops, pestering me is a recommended strategy :-)" Arthur
says, "Anyway, getting the processing more automated would help a lot - I
know Scotty's been looking at it..." Arthur says, "There are two parts to
it: getting the credit card data to Verisign, and extracting the resulting
codes they return" Arthur says, "And then forwarding address and status
changes into wsd, or entering in a new account for new members" Arthur
says, "Not wsd, teamdir, is what I meant" Scottyg says, "I've had a problem
for about 7 or 8 months that I don't have enough time to get everything
done." kokhmmm says, "I have a request. The Local Contact/ Chapter page
needs to be updated. I have the data, but do not know how to change the
page. If someone volunteers, I'll send him the data." Arthur says, "I can
handle that Peter, send it to my email (apsmith@aps.org)" Scottyg says, "I
know how to accomplish all of the above, but can't seem to find time to do
it." kokhmmm says, "Thanks, Arthur. In a few days." Severy-4 says, "Well,
we'll just keep plugging along, that's all any of us can do, I think"
Severy-4 says, "It will all get done eventually" Arthur says, "Yup"
Severy-4 says, "But speaking of plugging along, most of you need to spend a
bit more time in the Moon Society Help Director system" kokhmmm says,
"That's all anyone can expect from volunteers with day jobs!" Severy-4
says, "Since the last meeting, a grand total of two replies have been sent
out, one by Arthur and one by yours truly" Scottyg says, "Day job plus
night job." dcarson says, "ned to figure what to do with the older,
somewhat strange messages in the info list" MikeD says, "Peter you can send
the data to me, but someone wlse actually has to "Publish" it after I
update it" Arthur says, "We haven't had a whole lot of new messages though,
which is good." Severy-4 says, "At this rate, we're not only not catching
up on the backlog, we're falling farther and farther behind" Severy-4 says,
"Only because we haven't publicized the addresses anywhere, Arthur" Arthur
says, "ahhh"
kokhmmm says, "Mike, what's your edress?" MikeD says, "Send it to
mdelandy@mail.portland.co.uk Peter" Severy-4 says, "That's another thing I
want to announce in that cumulative announcement I'm putting together, but
we need a better response process before then" kokhmmm says, "Mike, check
spelling of screen name?" MikeD says, "duh! mdelaney@mail.portland'.co.uk"
MikeD says, "without the '"
kokhmmm says, "Got it "
MikeD says, "mdelaney@mail.portland.co.uk" MikeD says, "Now I actually get
it right" kokhmmm says, "Changed my address book" Arthur says, "Well, I've
got a reminder in my calendar to check helpdir every Tuesday evening :-)"
MikeD says, "For those who are interested, I only just re-assembled my
computers over the last few days so I'm only geting back to things now"
MikeD says, "Why Tuesday Arthur?"
Arthur says, "got a case on those boxes yet?" Arthur says, "Oh, just needed
a once-a-week schedule, and tuesday's were more open than others..." MikeD
says, "Ahh"
kokhmmm says, "I was doing HelpDir on the Thurs after the meeting, but the
past two Thursdays were too busy" irs says, "What's the HelpDir url again?
Lemme check to see if I've missed anything." Arthur says, "
www.moonsociety.org/helpdir" <http://www.moonsociety.org/helpdir> Severy-4
says, "You can also enable overnight notifications in Help Director, now
that the scheduled process is running properly" MikeD says, "Arthur, I got
a nice ATX case for $52" Arthur says, "you all could follow my lead and
pick a day of the week to check :-)" irs says, "Thanks. Looks like my
mailbox is up-to-datish." Severy-4 says, "There are two new threads in the
PR mailbox, Ian, have you replied to those already?" dcarson says, "I
weeded out a few that didn't need a reply today" dcarson says, "and there
are some where I can't think of a reply that would be polite to send" irs
says, "They're listed as new, but I've seen them before. Is there any way I
can list them as "Not new"?" Arthur says, "yup"
Severy-4 says, "If they're done, use the "Close Thread" function" Severy-4
says, "Same with the one open thread, if you don't expect a further
response" irs says, "Yeah, but what if they're not "done", but I'm already
on it?" Arthur says, "assign yourself as owner?" Severy-4 says, "If you're
expecting a response, leave them as is" Severy-4 says, "If you responded to
a thread in the "New" category, please upload your response to the thread,
so that there is a record of it, that will move it to the "Open" category"
Severy-4 says, "What do you mean by you're "already on it"?" irs says, "Ah,
OK. That's a minor problem (in one case, I didn't respond through the
system, and in another, I responded on the phone rather than with an
e-mail)." Severy-4 says, "If you don't expect a response, close the thread,
if you do get a response in the future it will be automatically re-opened"
irs says, "OK."
irs says, "OK, 'nother question. There's an e-mail in the general box
(L3V4E3) that is the follow-up to one of mine in the pr box (W4C7L4). How
do I snag the message in the general box and attach it to the other one?"
dcarson [to upload,]: select the thread, click messages and then upload
Arthur says, "So we got throught the whole agenda here, in 1.75 hours?"
dcarson says, "merge thread"
Arthur says, "2.7"
irs says, "That simple? OK, I'll try it." Arthur says, "they're in
different boxes though, does that matter?" Scottyg says, "2.75 hours"
MikeD says, "I don't know where you get your 1.75 hours from Arthur"
dcarson says, "merge seems to list all threads" Severy-4 says, "Nope, when
you merge a thread, you get a list of all of the threads in all mailboxes"
Arthur says, "daydreaming"
MikeD says, "You must be in some special timezone" Arthur says, "never mind"
dcarson says, "do you want to select the thread to mege into or the one to
merge from?" irs says, "Cool!"
irs says, "I selected the new message that I wanted to merge into the old
one, clicked merge, then selected the other message and clicked merge, and
voila!" dcarson says, "yep"
Scottyg says, "I'm running out of steam. I still get tired easily." Scottyg
says, "See ya'll later!"
MikeD says, "Later Scotty"
irs says, "g'night, Scotty."
dcarson says, "get rest Scotty"
Severy-4 says, "Good night, Scotty!"
Scottyg has disconnected.
kokhmmm says, "Goodnight all"
kokhmmm has disconnected.
Severy-4 says, "Yup, I think we're done for the night" MikeD says, "Good!
Maybe I can get *some* sleep" Severy-4 says, "Sleep? Whazzat? :-)"
MikeD says, "I'm not sure, but I got some from 8 am yesterday morning to
6pm yesterday evening, but I need to get some tonight because my mother
wants to use the sewing maching which has been parked in my room. And it
aint no little sewing machine, this thing has a 1 kVA motor" The
housekeeper arrives to cart Scottyg off to bed. The housekeeper arrives to
cart kokhmmm off to bed. MikeD says, "The housekeeper is busy"
Severy-4 laughs.
irs says, "I gotta read that attachment from the helpdir message I was
talking about, then go through today's email (that French tv guy said he
e-mailed me today, too) and get back to studying (oh, and maybe a nap,
too)." MikeD says, "I need to go thru all my stuff in Help Dir and all my
spreadsheets and pick up where I left off" Severy-4 says, "Mike, if you can
make switching team leaders a priority, that would cut down on the bounces
I'm still getting :-)" MikeD says, "Ian, I was playing with my webcam
tonight, that could be a good way to do TV interviews if you can get a fast
enough connection" MikeD says, "Will do Randall"
Severy-4 says, "I got an e-mail from the French TV guy as well" dcarson
says, "I fixed the asi-web team" MikeD says, "What was broken apart from
John Wertz?" MikeD says, "Oh, sorry, never mind"
dcarson says, "thats what was broken, I was getting 2 bounce messages for
each messsage" MikeD says, "Isn't the ASI web team being de-activated?" irs
says, "Sounds neat, Mike. I've got a 28.8 connection and a six-year old
computer, so there ain't no way I'm running video." dcarson says, "I need
to remove a couple of people from the artemis-list" MikeD says, "Let Greg
do that, he enjoys that" dcarson says, "if its deactivated fine, got tired
of all the bounces though" MikeD says, "But you have to get them to annoy
him first" Arthur says, "Good night folks - lots of work for all of us I
think..." Arthur leaves.
dcarson says, "should I have access to majorcool to manage that?" dcarson
says, "that == Artemis list"
MikeD says, "The trouble is that de-activating the team doesn't de-activate
the list, I guess I'll have to go in to aliases and comment out the aliases
for each de-activated team's list" Severy-4 says, "Yeah, that's probably
the safest approach" MikeD says, "I don't believe artemis-list is on
majorcool, let me check" Severy-4 says, "Let me add you to the Majorcool
.htpasswd file, Dana" dcarson says, "thanks"
dcarson says, "that would be the asi majorcool I think" irs says, "Y'all
need me, or should I try to do something else productive?" dcarson says,
"have fun Ian, I think yur done" Severy-4 says, "Ok, you're in both asi and
majordomo Majorcool sites" Severy-4 says, "Thanks, Ian, and take care!" irs
says, "Oh, do we have a meeting next week?" Severy-4 says, "I suspect not,
I'm not going to be around" dcarson says, "don't know, probably poor turn
out if we do" irs says, "kay-oh. Guess e-mail will suffice. See y'all next
time (and Happy Year-End)." MikeD says, "Yeah, Dana, artemis-list is on
majorcool, I think you'll find that easy to use, but it doesn't change the
owner in virtusers" irs has disconnected.
MikeD says, "Happy whatevers"
MikeD says, "I'm not too sure what to call this time of year anymore"
dcarson says, "I can remove the couple of bouncing addresses though" MikeD
says, "That you could"
MikeD says, "Who will I put for owner in virtusers?" dcarson says, "make it
me"
dcarson says, "if we find someone else that fine but at least I won't get
multiple bounces" MikeD says, "OK"
MikeD says, "Which email address?"
dcarson says, "dcarson@asi.org"
MikeD says, "It is you already, I must have changed that the other day when
you mentioned it to me" The housekeeper arrives to cart irs off to bed.
dcarson says, "or I did more of a global change then I thought" Greg-1
heads for bed.
Greg-1 has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to remove Greg-1. MikeD says, "So anyway, I can
really only work on this between 18:00 to 08:00 on weekdays but I have much
more time available to me on weekends, no peakrate on weekends." MikeD
says, "Hopefully, I can get a whole lot done over the next couple of days.
This is the first full day that I've had this machine up and running since
I got to Dublin" MikeD says, "But for now, it's bedtime for me" MikeD
leaves.
dcarson has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to cart dcarson off to bed.

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