-- Start log: Wednesday, February 5, 2003 9:08:27 pm ASI Meeting Server time --
DaveW-1 says, "highly variable as usual" DaveW-1 says, "mostly wet and
chilly"
kokhmmm says, "Here too/ not much snow. But last week was great because I
wasn't here - on the beach in St. Pete." MikeD says, "Sorry Peter, I can't
find any certificates but I'm sure there are aome" john-r arrives.
dcarson arrives.
irs arrives.
irs says, "Oops. Wrong following. Hi y'all." john-r says, "Hi Ian and All"
dcarson says, "helo"
MikeD says, "Hi everybody"
kokhmmm says, "Geg, I propose making up a temporary one for St. Louis, to
be replaced later. They are anxious to have it, and justly proud of having
grown so fast. Hi Dana" MikeD says, "How many do they have?"
kokhmmm says, "Hi, Ian"
kokhmmm says, "St., Louis has six."
Greg-1 says, "Peter, so draft something up and let everybody take a look."
MikeD says, "What the heck is David doing? Get him to tell us" Greg-1 says,
"The wording on the certificate is important, too." Greg-1 says, "I would
have sworn we worked that out some time in the past, perhaps for ASI."
kokhmmm says, "Will do (draft certificate)" Arthur arrives.
Arthur reads the meeting agenda
Severy has arrived.
kokhmmm says, "Hi, Arthur"
Arthur says, "Hi Peter"
kokhmmm says, "Greetings, Randall"
Severy says, "Hi, everyone! Sorry I'm late, I had some ISP problems on this
end..." Arthur says, "I'm going to be in and out for a few minutes here -
bedtime for kids..." irs says, "ISP, yeah. West Wing, try (I'm watching
Angel and taping West Wing, 'cause Dad's still out of town)." irs reads the
meeting agenda
MikeD says, "Peter, St. Louis may have six people, but only 2 of them are
in the team according to Team Dir." Greg-1 says, "Only 2 of them are
members of the Moon Society?" kokhmmm says, "Mike, I'll check with them.
According to Dave Dietzler, they are all MoonSoc members" MikeD says, "But
are they *current* members?" dcarson says, "may not be on the team while
still being members" MikeD says, "They do actually have one extra
subscribed to the list" MikeD says, "Christine Nobbe"
DaveW-1 says, "has anyone reported trouble with the online registration
page?" kokhmmm says, "Keith Wetzel, Dave Dietzler, Dave Heck, Burt Sharpe,
Chris Noble, Christie Dudley is the list I have for St. Louis" Greg-1 says,
"Let's slow down just a bit... has the board of directors officially
recognized the St. Louis chapter?" kokhmmm says, "If we can confirm that 5
of the above six are current members, we should confirm them." Greg-1 says,
"Yup, for sure."
MikeD says, "I can confirm David Heck is current" Greg-1 says, "I don't see
how they could be current Moon Society members and not be listed in Team
Director. That's our official membership database." MikeD says, "Davis
Dietzler is current" MikeD says, "I'm looking"
dcarson says, "I see everyone but Noble" MikeD says, "Nobbe"
Greg-1 says, "There you have it!"
dcarson says, "ther is a Nobbe in St Lois" Greg-1 says, "Somebody check the
bylaws to see what other requirements we have for local chapters. I think
there needs to be a designated honcho." kokhmmm says, "David Heck has been
elected president. Let me check on other officers." MikeD says, "And she's
current."
Greg-1 says, "I'll be AFK for a couple of minutes." MikeD says, "Quite a
few of them expire in March/April but we could work on that" john-r notes
that he has NOT rec notice of about to laspe membership john-r notes - no
snail mail or e-mail MikeD says, "Peter, I'd really appreciate it if David
could encourage all those people to join the team in Team Dir. Of course
they may not all have their Team Dir passwords." kokhmmm says, "Dave
Dietzler is St. Louis treasurer. They are incorporating as a 501c3" MikeD
says, "Dang!"
MikeD says, "Have they asked Scotty for help?" kokhmmm says, "They are
working on a mission stqatement and already have some outreach events under
their belt." Arthur says, "Wow"
kokhmmm says, "I'm anxious to make them official and hold them up as a role
model for others to follow." dcarson says, "gotta do something for them
then, need to encourage thme" Severy says, "I'm going to be away from the
keyboard for a little while (I'm multitasking heavily in real life as well
at the moment), can someone lead a discussion on the web site updates for
the Shuttle memorium?" Arthur says, "who is supposed to send out notices of
about-to-expire memberships? Because it definitely doesn't seem to be
happening..." MikeD says, "JohnR has volunteered for that" john-r says,
"anyone know where Amy or Scottt is? and why Michael has nort joinedI :)"
john-r says, "Whats that MikeD?"
MikeD says, "Well, Arthur, some of the notices should go out by email, but
Randall can't implement that until I have all the teams updated" Severy
says, "Amy said she would be a little late" Arthur says, "Well, some of
this stuff really shouldn't wait for anything else..." MikeD says, "Amy
said something about being late." kokhmmm says, "Shuttle Memorial. Can be
short and sweet. We are all saddened by the tragic loss of life. We call
for the continuation of the manned space program, continued support for the
ISS, and the opening of the space frontier to mankind in general, in their
memory. Something like that, maybe with a picture." Severy says, "Team
Director will be sending out monthly reminders of team memberships, and
those reminders will include warnings about soon-to-expire memberships"
Severy says, "But I can't turn on those reminders until the team overhaul
is finished" MikeD says, "Actually, I've come to the realization that i
need a deputy for a couple of weeks" Arthur says, "Ah"
MikeD says, "Or 2 or 3 deputies for that matter" irs says, "Shuttle
memorial announcement:" Arthur says, "Seeing the overwhelming response,
I'll volunteer Mike" Severy says, "I'm visiting family and am logged in
from my laptop sitting on the kitchen counter, so I'm going to be in and
out all evening" MikeD says, "Thanks Arthur"
MikeD says, "Waht's sitting on the counter? You or the laptop randall?"
john-r says, "LOL"
irs says, "The Moon Society, Artemis Society International, The Lunar
Resources Company, and the entire Artemis Project family mourn the loss of
the Space Shuttle Columbia and her gallant crew. We offer our condolences
to their families and the entire NASA organization. [paragraph break]"
Greg-1 says, "Scotty handles the notices. Or rather, Jennefir Day does. She
works for us." Arthur says, "she actually gets paid?"
irs says, "As they and their fellow explorers continually show the sense of
wonder inherent in us all, we hope to continue the blossoming of humanity
into space."" Greg-1 says, "Yup."
Arthur says, "Well, in that case, I'll feel freer to bother her. Does
anybody have her email address?" Arthur says, "free-er?"
Arthur says, "Ian and Peter: I think short is good. They both sound fine"
Greg-1 says, "Yeah, Scotty does."
Greg-1 says, "Yes, short is best."
Greg-1 says, "That's great, Ian."
Greg-1 says, "Is there a clever way to avoid using the word "entire" twice
in the first paragraph?" irs says, "Thanks, Greg. Those words are already
up on the LRCPubs site, and Tim has something on Lunar Traders. This is
something we need to post now, because we won't be noticed for having, but
we will be noticed for not having it." Greg-1 says, "Scotty is on vacation
at the moment, so getting in touch with him is spotty." irs says, "Ooh,
good catch, Greg. Change the first entire to "whole", as in "... and the
whole Artemis Project family..."" MikeD says, "you could also say complete"
MikeD says, "Nah, maybe not"
dcarson says, "OK, John you do the MoonSociety and I'll do ASi and TLRC?"
kokhmmm says, "I will print the statement in MMM." irs says, "Oh, Dana. For
the other two organizations, change the opening order so that the page it's
posted on is listed first." dcarson says, "gotcah"
MikeD says, "Arthur, one of the main things I need help with is actually
figuring out what I have already done and what still needs to be done"
Greg-1 says, "OK, I'm working on the front page." kokhmmm says, "Next item?"
john-r has disconnected.
john-r has connected.
john-r says, "imy sys had a disconnect - so i missed from when arthur asked
if jenifer got paid - bummer on missing the words" Greg-1 says, "
http://www.moonsociety.org/ is republished. Can someone check it?" kokhmmm
says, "John, you must have missed where we elected you to be in charge of
whatever no one else is in charge of.:-)" john-r says, "TY Peter :)"
Greg-1 says, "Yes. Jennefir gets paid." Greg-1 says, "Jennifer."
Arthur says, "very nice, thanks Greg"
kokhmmm says, "Greg, the page looks good (not artistic, but ...)" dcarson
says, "ok asi done"
Greg-1 says, "Thanks, Dana."
Arthur says, "Jennifer does seem to be doing things, but it's spotty - I'm
sure she has good reasons for the delays, but I'd like to be able to ask
her directly about them..." Greg-1 says, "Thanks, Arthur. Ian, Nancy says
to tell you the words are very nice." john-r says, "Nice Greg - are those
your words and Ians? or whos?" kokhmmm says, "Good, Dana"
Greg-1 says, "Ian wrote the text."
irs says, "Thanks, Nancy."
john-r says, "Looks good to me"
irs says, "Words is what I do."
kokhmmm says, "How long do we leave it up? I'll monitor the other space
organizations and advise everyone when they take their statements down, or
drop them from the main page." kokhmmm says, "Ian, you are a wordsmith"
With a sparkle of transporter light, saavik appears saavik says, "sorry i'm
late!!!"
irs says, "Moon Society page looks good. ASI page needs a line or something
between the new text and the "12 men have walked on the Moon"." Arthur
says, "Welcome Amy!"
saavik says, "tried to call randall but his phone wasn't working" irs says,
"Thanks, Peter. That's a good timing judge." john-r says, "good point
Peter- we need to keep open - like a eternal flame- someplace in the web
sote" Arthur says, "he's with family somewhere" Arthur reads the meeting
agenda
Greg-1 says, "Randall is not at home, Amy." Arthur says, "Ok, next item is
MMM contract?" dcarson says, "tlrc updated, WSD is way old on that one"
Greg-1 says, "Yeah, we need to bug somebody from CyberTeams about that,
Dana. :)" kokhmmm says, "I have some points about the suggested contract
that Scotty circulated. But Scotty is not here. I can air my concerns if
anyone wants." irs says, "Same problem on tlrc, Dana. Can you stick in a
rule between the new text and what's already on the page? A dividing line."
saavik says, "his was the only phone number that i had :-)" Greg-1 says,
"Maybe
"
Greg-1 says, "I think it might work a little better if the text is not
centered." MikeD says, "You could always have called me at 011353777744325"
MikeD says, "011353877744325 actually"
Greg-1 says, "Where the heck is the agenda?" MikeD reads the meeting agenda
Arthur says, "By the way, there were 11 new registrations and 4 renewals
through the web site since the beginning of the year." MikeD says, "Maybe
clones can't read agenda" dcarson says, "ok lines added"
Greg-1 reads the meeting agenda
Greg-1 says, "Yes, they can! :)"
irs says, "ASI is fine like that."
Arthur says, "including our first member from Cyprus (as far as I know) -
George Hadjyc..." Severy says, "Hi, Amy!"
john-r says, "Greg saee
http://www.moonsociety.org/private/leaders/agenda.html" saavik says, "Hi
Randall - your voicemail isn't working at home" Severy says, "I don't get
any cell-phone reception where I am, that's why you couldn't reach me"
saavik says, "oh! was it your cell I was calling? odd" saavik says, "it
just gave me a verizon error :-)" Severy says, "What number did you try?"
saavik says, "um, well, the reason Iw as late is that my cell broke today
and your number is in the old one... I'll go dig it out :-) I have a new
one now :-)" DaveW-1 says, "speaking of renewals I just tried to renew with
the mailed out ver. of mmm and it gave me an error" Arthur says, "Huh?
Where was that?"
saavik wonders what happens if both of her cells are turned on for the same
number Severy says, "I do need to upgrade the TLRC WSD installation one of
these days, I'll try to do that soon" MikeD says, "Nasty things can happen
then Amy" Arthur says, "Dave - what URL were you at?" saavik reads the
meeting agenda
DaveW-1 says, "just a sec i will get back to it" MikeD says, "One thing
that could happen is that they block your number" saavik says, "so where
are we on the list and what did I miss?" MikeD says, "We're somewhere
around MMM" DaveW-1 says, "
https://www.moonsociety.org/register/register2.php3" kokhmmm says, "Amy, we
took care of the Columbia memorial, and chapter charter questions" Arthur
says, "And what was the error?"
saavik says, "ahh ok"
saavik says, "so what is up next?"
DaveW-1 says, "if i take the defaults when I click on "go to step 3" i get
an error that says. You have not selected and transaction. please select at
least on transaction to continue" Arthur says, "hmmm. "
kokhmmm says, "On MMM, Scotty is not here, but settling the question is
urgent." DaveW-1 says, "it lets me go forward if I donate or pick another
option" john-r says, "When did the hardcopy MMM price go up?? i just
renewed last nite and it was 35 sam as electronic- is DaveWW at and old
page???" saavik says, "so how do we go settle it without scotty?" john-r
says, "Any one know if Scotty is coming tonight???" MikeD says, "He's on
vacation"
saavik says, "that sounds like a no"
MikeD says, "One of those AFK vacations" Arthur says, "Dave I see that too.
I'll try to fix it here right now..." DaveW-1 says, "ok kool"
Arthur says, "By the way, the MMM contract is ok with me. Can we just
accept it? Were changes needed?" MikeD says, "Be careful I have to renew
soon" irs says, "What's "AFK"?"
MikeD says, "Away From Keyboard"
irs says, "Ah. Silly me."
Greg-1 says, "I also added the same text to http://moonsims.asi.org/ and
http://www.simshost.com/." saavik says, "oh!"
kokhmmm says, "Yes, I am concerned about some things. 3. Services to be
provided by LRS requires monthly publication. There may be a problem here.
Our numbers are declining and if they go below 200 domestic, then I must
either drastically cut the size of MMM to 8-10 pages or publish
bi-monthly." Greg-1 says, "Scotty is on an AFP vacation. "Away from
Plano."" irs says, "No, the contract as presented was not acceptable. It's
a minor change I e-mailed Scotty about, but I don't know if it was
introduced at his end or LRS's, so I'd be a little happier waiting to hear
from him about it (admittedly, if he e-mailed me back last night, his
response is waiting in another window)." irs says, "That would entail
modifying the contract, Peter. Shouldn't we try to be a little optimistic
in this draft?" kokhmmm says, "It also requires 90 days notice. So if
accepted, I will give 90 days notice when we hit the 200 point that we are
going to shorter publication at first class and may still need an increase
in payment as we lose economies of scale in printing and postage." john-r
notes he renewed with paper copy MMM irs says, "That sounds logical,
Peter." kokhmmm says, "We can be optimistic if you want Ian, but the fact
is our numbers are going downhill at a clip that will put us over the
precipice within the year." irs says, "Nevertheless, I'd be much happier
with monthly publication while we can get it." irs says, "Greg, I can't see
to get to moonsims.asi.org, but simshost.com gives me a black box in the
middle with no text in it." irs says, "Also, I'm waiting for a rule at the
bottom of the new text on tlrc.com." irs says, "rule as in line or border."
kokhmmm says, "I also want everyone's opinion on how to handle that
eventuality. Smaller monthly publication, or same size bi-monthly. Even
with your advice we'll have to take a hard nose look at the dollars and
cent sbefore a decision on which way to go. I would prefer to keep things
ans they are, but we have to slow the erosion of hardcopy numbers to keep
it as it is." irs says, "Got to moonsims.asi.org:looks
good." dcarson says, "I think I'd prefer
bimonthly" MikeD says, "Yeah, moonsims loks good"
MikeD says, "So does simshost.com"
Greg-1 says, "Thanks, Mike."
kokhmmm says, "Geting the statement up everywhere proved pretty painless,
thanks to Ian." Arthur says, "Ok, Dave, register2.php3 is updated. Should
be working (I moved some form elements around but forgot to change a
javascript check)." DaveW-1 says, "ok great..."
dcarson says, "those of us that are more fluent in C thne english are
grateful to him" irs says, "tlrc.com looks good now. simshost is still
showing me a black box in the middle with nothing in it." MikeD says, "What
browser are you using Ian?" kokhmmm says, "I see text in the simshost box
ok" Arthur says, "I'll vote bimonthly too. Ad astra is bimonthly. It would
be a little disappointing to have to do that after all these years though."
irs says, "Netscape Navigator 7, I think. On a Windows 95 machine." MikeD
says, "Hmm, that could be due to the browser, let me check it in Netscape,
I have it looking good in MSIE" Arthur says, "simshost looks good in Apple
Safari" kokhmmm says, "Bimonthly would be a bitter pill for me personally.
I wanted to reach 20th anniv. of monthly publication. If only we could turn
the slide around. That may mean setting the default at hardcopy rather than
at electronic." john-r says, "what about http://www.lrcpubs.com for the
columbia message?" Arthur says, "The default is now hardcopy, for US
subscribers" Arthur says, "And Canadian"
kokhmmm says, "Thanks, Arthur"
MikeD says, "OK, that's a Netscape problem Greg, the text is not visible in
Netscape 4.8 on my machine either." irs says, "I put it up yesterday,
John." Arthur says, "unfortunately the bug Dave saw (but now fixed) may
have lost us a few hardcopy..." Arthur says, "but that was only for the
last month" Greg-1 says, "Must be the text color. Or the table cell
background color." john-r says, "Ian - now i see it - sorry - i was blind
for a moment" MikeD says, "Yes if i mark the text i can read it" MikeD
says, "Seems to be white on white" saavik says, "so how do we turn the
numbers around?" Arthur says, "Well, we need to get those reminders out to
renew, for one thing!" john-r says, "Yesterday when i renewed - hard copy
was the defaulet- i am loast as to problem that dave is having" irs says,
"Don't know if I'm trying to see it, Greg, but I think the main page
background is white, and the box background might be a little more cream."
Arthur says, "Which seems to depend on getting the teams straightened out -
which means getting Mike helpers..." irs says, "Ah, yep. White on white, I
think." Arthur says, "Mike, where can we get started?" kokhmmm says,
"projects, publicity, local outreach, buttonholing, lots of ways to grow.
Gift subscriptions and memberships. Library subscriptions at a rate lower
than membership. all increase the numbers." MikeD says, "I'll have a chat
with you about that a bit later Arthur, but one of the main things is
figuring out where I am right now. I've actually lost track of what I've
done and what still needs to be done" Arthur says, "Can you summarize the
main areas that need to be handled with the teams?" MikeD says, "Yes I can
but it will take me a little while to put it together. Would an email
tomorrow be ok?" Greg-1 says, "Could someone check Moon Sims with Netscape
now?" john-r says, "MikeD - Please cc to me on the team status - ok" irs
says, "moonsims is fine. It's simshost I'm having trouble with." MikeD
says, "Greg, it was simshost"
Greg-1 says, "Yeah. Ian said it was Moon Sims, too." MikeD says, "Yes John,
I can CC you"
Greg-1 says, "Moon Sims is easier to update because I have WSD Pro there."
Arthur says, "tomorrow's ok."
irs says, "Had trouble getting into moonsims earlier. Now I can." Greg-1
says, "http://moonsims.asi.org/ or http://www.moonsims.com/" MikeD says,
"The most important thing is someone to go thru the Mailing List support in
Help Dir and filter out the crap. Then check to see which ones I've done
and of those what parts are incomplete" irs says, "The first."
irs says, "Both look the same."
MikeD says, "http://www.simshost.com/ still shows as a blank empty box"
MikeD says, "In Netscape that is"
MikeD says, "Methinks Greg has inadvertently written some MSHTML" Greg-1
says, "Yup, that's because I had only updated Moon Sims." MikeD says, "OK,
now it's good"
Greg-1 says, "Ian, try reloading the Moon Sims site." Greg-1 says, "Yeah.
Explorer was ignoring the font color; Netscape did what I was telling it
to." saavik says, "haven't seen any answers...." MikeD [to ]: what?
Arthur reads the meeting agenda
MikeD says, "Answers to what?"
saavik [to increasing]: peter's numbers' MikeD says, "Auto say is a curse
isn't it" irs says, "Sorry for the delay: coughing fit. Anyway, that did
it, Greg." Greg-1 says, "Thanks, Ian."
Arthur says, "aside from increasing renewals, keeping the web sites alive
should help" MikeD says, "I don't think anyone has an answer to increasing
Peter's numbers without also addressing the increasing of our own numbers"
Severy says, "FYI, I just found an e-mail from Scotty this afternoon: "We
are on vacation and are having company tonight, so I' not sure how much of
the meeting I'll be able to make - I'll do the best I can."" kokhmmm says,
"I think LRS will offer its direct subscribers a deal - if they renew and
send in a gift subscription, they can take $6 off the total ($30 instead of
$36) but that doesn't help the Moon Society, and our intent is not to
divert members from MoonSoc to LRS direct. But we have to grow the total
numbers somehow." Arthur says, "we get a lot of new drop-in members
somehow..." MikeD says, "Arthur, our problem isn't getting members, it's
keeping them" Severy says, "Once we stop losing members we can focus on
outreach efforts to increase our membership" kokhmmm says, "Last month's
(1/25) mmm hardcopy request from MoonSoc was 146, of which 136 was
domestic." Arthur says, "i agree - getting the teams active will help a
lot" MikeD says, "I believe Jennifer has processed about 45 renewals and
new memberships since November." john-r says, "what is the price per year
for MMM at its very best rate?" kokhmmm says, "We can also reenergize those
interested in the Reference mission as it is clear we have to look harder
at options that do not depend on the shuttle" MikeD says, "The teams are
important, but they're only going to be as active as their membership"
MikeD says, "Very good point Peter"
john-r says, "The More that have faith in the shuttle - the quicker we keep
in space" MikeD says, "The more that push to replace the shuttle, the
longer we stay in space" john-r says, "but we need to stay there- a leave
of absense lengthens the long run" MikeD says, "It's a 30 year old design
that has been flying for 22 years, the replacement should have been in
production already" MikeD says, "In fact the replacement should already be
in service" john-r says, "but thats another matter for another time" MikeD
says, "That's the problem, it's been another matter for another time for 22
years." kokhmmm says, "a new shuttle cannot be built so hurrying up the
orbital space plane becomes a priority for the gov and they know this. But
that might not help us. We need affordable options. We have to consider all
of them, choose the best at the time when we are ready." john-r says, "what
is the best MMM price per year?" Arthur says, "on the #'s - that's a total
of 60 for 3 months (Nov-Jan) - is membership 4x that?" john-r says, "i am
getting sys lag again" MikeD says, "How many of that 60 were renewals?"
kokhmmm says, "Joh, look on the last page. Cheapest way to get MMM is
through the group offering lowest membership rate. But pushing that doesn't
help Moon Society whose dues are higher. LRS cost is currently 1.02 and we
are asking 1.00 even." Arthur says, "4 of 15 in January"
MikeD says, "So or new members outnumber our renewals by almost 4:1"
Michael arrives.
Michael says, "doh!"
Arthur says, "3:1"
MikeD says, "Oops"
Michael is such a looser....
kokhmmm says, "That ratio has to cause worry, because it may mean that many
are not renewing. " Arthur says, "what's today's excuse Michael?" Michael
says, "metal shop class....."
Arthur reads the meeting agenda
Michael reads the meeting agenda
MikeD says, "One would have to take an average over the course of the year,
I'm sure the ratio varies from month to month" Arthur says, "yup"
john-r says, "i could ck my mail - so the lag seems out east" kokhmmm says,
"Priority is "conversion" of first year members into first time renewals.
After that, losses go way down." Arthur says, "we could do a lot better on
renewals though. One thing - the people that do renew tend to donate quite
a bit too." MikeD says, "Your mail is checked directly with your ISP John,
lag is generally between your ISP and the rest of the net" saavik says,
"that is good"
Arthur says, "even john :)"
Michael says, "so, did we accomplish anything tonight?" kokhmmm says, "We
are offering a prize (Artemis poster) for renewals, but no one know that
unless they go to renew. I could advertise this in MMM." Michael says,
"s/we/you because I was a slack ass and didn't show up ontime..." MikeD
says, "One point to note from my discussion with Dale a couple of weeks ago
is that for non US members, renewing is actually a bit of a pain. Most of
them have to go to a bank and purchase a cashiers check" dcarson says,
"anything we can besides the fact that we take credit cards to make that
easier?" Arthur says, "credit cards work - as I said, we had a new reg from
Cyprus" kokhmmm says, "We could ask Scotty if it would be safe to quote a
fixed price in Euros. Maybe that would help many overseas." MikeD says,
"Credit cards work but not as many people have them in Europe. And debit
cards don't seem to exist here yet" Michael says, "paypal?"
Arthur says, "Michael - we did update websaites with Columbia memorials"
john-r says, "Peter- i thought the reneweal was a bumber sticker- the
poster came with the first time membership" MikeD says, "Peter, I wouldn't
quote a fixed price in Euros unless you are going to process everything for
those members from over here" Arthur says, "Michael - also the MMM contract
is waiting on scotty for some changes" MikeD says, "I'm not sure if PayPal
can be configured to work with a European bank account Michael" Michael
says, "well, we're taking credit cards, right? That should be
sufficient...." kokhmmm says, "John, I'll check. You are right. Maybe we
need to make it more attractive to renew. Like a set of a dozen assorted
back issues of MMM or a book." Arthur says, "and we decide St Louis was an
official chapter noiw!" Arthur says, "hmm left hand typing..."
MikeD says, "Many US members only have debit cards. Debit cards are not as
plentiful over here, and neither are credit cards" john-r says, "Arthur are
you sure on the st louis chapter - unless it happened during my disconnect"
MikeD says, "But European members doesn't help the MMM numbers for
hardcopy" dcarson says, "ok people look for ideas for an attractive but
cheap promo got renewel" kokhmmm says, "John, we checked them all by name.
All in Team Director." john-r says, "Peter - pack issues would be nice BTW
IAN what about back issues of Artemis Mag?" MikeD says, "John, I think it
happened before your first connect" john-r says, "When i came in the 1st
time Greg asked if the board had approved the chapter-then there were
comments on other charter needs per the by laws" dcarson says, "pay pal
says it is in 39 countries, maybe a note on the signup page that they can
do it via paypal?" kokhmmm says, "I am thinking of donating an Artemis
Project Exhibit to any chapter that makes it official, as an incentive to
other Outposts to work in that direction. That will help numbers and
productivity and otreach etc." saavik says, "sounds like all good ideas"
dcarson says, "some spare posters to them to use for promo purposes might
be good also, should discuss in email probably" MikeD says, "PayPal Now
Available in Euros and Pounds" MikeD says, "
http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_ir-release&rid=347675" Arthur
says, "other requirements for chapters: need two elected officers, one
responsible for finances, and need to select one as representative on
chapters council" MikeD says, "Both excellent ideas"
kokhmmm says, "Arthur, will copy that to St. Louis. No problemo." Arthur
says, "Also chapters need to submit their bylaws to the chapters council
for approval (within 1 month). " Arthur says, "See
http://www.moonsociety.org/chapters/chapterRules.html" john-r says, "So the
St Louis is still in the getting the paper work done stage" MikeD says, "Is
there a draft of suggested bylaws?" kokhmmm says, "Ouch. I have boilerplate
ready so that should be no problem on bylaws. They can customize later and
submit revisions when they do." john-r says, "I think the chapters council
team has been removed - and only the chapters team is left" Arthur says, "I
believe the chapters council is you (Peter) and chapter representatives..."
Arthur says, "Hmmm, "
MikeD says, "Could we put up a link for suggested Chapter Bylaws" kokhmmm
says, "Not oo many chapters to have representatives!" john-r says, "i think
there is a std bylaws - but i think it is asi based" saavik says,
"bedtime...."
saavik has disconnected.
MikeD says, "That was short and sweet"
john-r says, "swhoos - she be gone"
kokhmmm says, "I will put boilerplate bylaws on front burner." john-r says,
"we will have to e-mail her- by my clock she left 3 min early :)" Arthur
says, "On the rest of the agenda - I think we should discuss the "state of
the society update" and the web site. " MikeD says, "I believe there is
only one Chapters team. All the others were deemed to be superfluous as
they were all equally inactive" Arthur says, "The rest probably should wait
with all the people who are out" kokhmmm says, "State of the Society Annual
Reports. Did everyone get the proposal I emailed to the leaders? Any
comments" john-r says, "Greg is the prisent - what are his thoughts and
time avail to produce part of it ? i got the leaders list e-mail" Greg-1
says, "State of the Society Annual Reports?" john-r says, "president - oops"
Greg-1 says, "*blank stare*"
Arthur says, "I assume the calendar year is our fiscal year? " Greg-1 says,
"Yes"
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