-- Start log: Wednesday, May 7, 2003 9:04:12 pm ASI Meeting Server time --

Severy switches places with Severy-4
irs arrives.
irs says, "Easier to just follow someone. Thanks, Scotty." Scottyg-2 says,
"Glad to be useful for something! :=)" Severy-4 says, "Ok, I guess we
should get this show on the road" kokhmmm says, "Let's roll!"
Severy-4 says, "Michael will be late, if at all, since he's on the road in
Boston" Severy-4 says, "And Amy is in the air as we speak on her way to
rural Maryland" Severy-4 says, "Ok, the first agenda item is the Moon
Society "Big Tent" proposals I sent out a week ago" Severy-4 says, "As I
mentioned in my reply to Arthur earlier today, I'd like to be able to
announce this stuff at ISDC, so we need to reach a consensus on it as soon
as possible" kokhmmm says, "I like it. Back in 98 when I was chair of ISDC,
that was my policy." Severy-4 says, "Speaking of ISDC, is anyone other than
Michael and I from this gang going to San Jose?" kokhmmm says, "not me."
Scottyg-2 says, "I think its in agreement with the purposes we had in mind
when we created Moon Society." Greg says, "Not me."
Scottyg-2 says, "Not me."
kokhmmm says, "I believe Arthur is going." Severy-4 says, "Ahh, yes, of
course Arthur is going" Severy-4 says, "We'll try not to disparage the
image of the society too much while we're there :-)" john-r arrives.
john-r says, "evening"
Severy-4 says, "Ian, I'm trying to get a display table of some kind at the
conference, do you have some Artemis Magazine materials you'd like me to
make available there?" john-r reads the meeting agenda
Severy-4 says, "While Ian is pondering that complicated question, let's get
back to the agenda topic at hand: the Big Tent proposals" Severy-4 says,
"Any suggestions, corrections, objections, etc. to what I outlined last
week?" Severy-4 . o O ( ponders is everyone has fallen asleep ) kokhmmm
says, "Randall, one thing we could do to show that we mean that (big tent)
is to have links on our website to other organizations interested in the
Moon, even if not exclusively. Space frontier Society, Space Studies Inst.,
NSS, American Lunar Society, etc. I'd be happy to work on a more complete
list." Severy-4 says, "if everyone, darnit, I can't even think without
typos :-(" Severy-4 says, "That's part of the proposal, Peter, section #2
to be exact" Scottyg-2 says, "Randall, are those proposals posted in an
accessible place other than the email you sent?" Severy-4 says, "No, just
the e-mail, Scotty" dcarson says, "rereading it again I see nothing wrong
in it, adding more things if we can think of them to encourafe groups to
ally with us is good" Scottyg-2 says, "Ok."
john-r says, "just got home here, and trying to catch up" kokhmmm says, "At
the organizing conference, I was to look into the possibility of joint
projects between Moon Society and various other organizations. Didn;t
follow thru, but that would help." Severy-4 says, "We definitely need any
lists we can get our hands on, Peter, so anything you can come up with
would be great!" dcarson says, "things like helpdir, moo meeting places are
good" john-r says, "and my isp is slow"
Severy-4 . o O ( John needs a new ISP ) john-r has reconnected.
Severy-4 . o O ( John *definitely* needs a new ISP :-) ) john-r says, "had
to re log in"
john-r says, "i agree"
john-r says, ":)"
kokhmmm says, "Joint projects work both ways. If we want to interest others
in doing something with us, we should express willingness to help with
their projects (Moon focused ones)" john-r says, "i like most of what is in
the BT E-mail" john-r says, "bt = big tent"
irs says, "Sorry, I was... elsewhere. Randall, I can send you some stuff.
Let me know which address you want the package sent to (home, office, or
hotel), and when you need it (when are you leaving or when are you
arriving). Thanks for the offer." Severy-4 says, "Hence the offer to offer
services to others, Peter, I don't see any way to interest them otherwise"
Severy-4 says, "I'll send you an e-mail with the details, Ian, Tim Cadell
has agreed to receive stuff for the conference since he's nearby, no point
in mailing it to me just so that I can put it in a suitcase" irs says, "let
me know"
Severy-4 says, "Will do"
Severy-4 says, "Since I don't hear any objections, I'll assume we should
proceed with the Big Tent proposals as outlined" Scottyg-2 says, "Another
service that we could consider would be a message board." kokhmmm says,
"Agree"
Severy-4 says, "I'll get together with Mike on getting the announcements
mailing list setup" john-r says, "will there be a team attached to the
list?" Severy-4 says, "John, can you start working on the Moon directory
section of the web site?" Severy-4 says, "No, like artemis-news, the
moon-news mailing list will not be restricted to Moon Society members only"
john-r says, "ok"
john-r says, "the moon dir, big silly ? on the left ot the right" john-r
says, "or"
john-r says, "or my choice"
Arthur says, "Right I think"
john-r says, "i also need to add the volltte html" Severy-4 says, "I don't
have a strong opinion either way" Arthur says, "(back at keyboard for a
minute here...)" DaveW arrives.
Severy-4 says, "Thanks, Arthur!"
Severy-4 says, "Hi, Dave!"
DaveW says, "hello"
Severy-4 says, "Dave, use 'play current on recorder' to catch up on what
you missed" john-r says, "is it safe to assume - if we ask others to post
to our list, we will ppost to their?" Severy-4 says, "Not necessarily,
John, I don't think we should require or assume a reciprocal arrangement"
Severy-4 says, "We're offering this as a service to the Moon community,
what they do with their services is up to them" kokhmmm says, "John, right
side seems best." kokhmmm says, "best place"
Severy-4 says, "But anything sent to the list should be forwardable without
restriction, so they can repost anything they want" Severy-4 says, "Once
the list and directory are in place I'll draft an announcement and
invitation that can be handed out at ISDC and e-mailed to anyone that we
can think of that might be interested" Severy-4 says, "All of that should
be ready by our next meeting, considering that I'm getting on a plane the
next day to find my way to San Jose :-)" Severy-4 says, "Ok, anything else
on the Big Tent stuff before we move on?" kokhmmm says, "Do you know the
way?"
kokhmmm has disconnected.
john-r says, "not that i can think of - " john-r says, "we lost peter"
Severy-4 says, "Yup, I'll wait a few moments for him to return before
moving on" john-r says, "was he refering to the 60 ish song :)" Severy-4
says, "Yup, as was I :-)"
Severy-4 says, "I couldn't resist..."
john-r says, "LOL"
john-r says, "some of us are way too old :)" Severy-4 says, "Yup!"
Scottyg-2 says, "I was there."
Severy-4 says, "Ok, Peter will have to catch up when he gets back, let's
move on" Severy-4 says, "Next up is "Moon Society Flyer"" kokhmmm has
connected.
Severy-4 says, "There he is!"
kokhmmm says, "moon-leaders"
Severy-4 says, "I *have* to have a flyer in time for ISDC, what needs to be
done to get one put together?" Severy-4 says, "You're already here, Peter"
kokhmmm says, "Got a message that I was disconnected" Severy-4 says, "Yup,
you were"
john-r says, "a flyer for wat - new mwmbers come on? " irs says, "I've got
a text-only version of the old flyer." irs says, "I updated the address so
it's current, just not gorgeous." Arthur says, "Randall, sounds like you
had a flyer for the Rockville Science event?" Severy-4 says, "Not really,
Arthur"
Severy-4 says, "I did much the same as Ian, I took the old ASI flyer and
correct the membership address" john-r says, "Do we want the Leto flyler
from last year - ??? to add to the table - and busness cards?? like i gave
ti Arthur Last yea ??" Severy-4 says, "corrected, too"
Severy-4 says, "We need a true Moon Society flyer, for lots and lots of
reasons" Scottyg-2 says, "I think that approach is contrary to our Big Tent
philosophy." Severy-4 says, "We've been talking about it for years, we just
need to get off our duff and get it done" Severy-4 says, "Which approach,
Scotty?" Scottyg-2 says, "Correcting the address on an ASI flyer." Michael
arrives.
Severy-4 says, "I agree, it's totally out of context" Michael says, "hi
everybody...."
john-r says, "Hi Michael"
kokhmmm says, "Hi, Michael"
Severy-4 says, "But I didn't have the tools or editorial ability to do
anything more at the time" Severy-4 says, "You made it, Michael!"
Scottyg-2 says, "Yup."
Severy-4 says, "Do a 'play current on recorder' to catch up, Michael"
Severy-4 says, "I literally edited the PDF itself (the source was created
on a Mac and was all garbled on my PC) the night before the Science Day,
sometime around midnight" Severy-4 says, "Greg, how hard do I have to twist
your arm to get you to work on a Moon Society flyer in time for ISDC?"
john-r says, "Peter has PDF, and seems like Ian has it too- if i rem from
last year - And Mike Delaney" Michael is now caught up... no comments on
anyting previous.... Severy-4 says, "It's not a technical issue, John, it's
a design/content issue" Severy-4 says, "I'm not qualified to design and
write a flyer" john-r says, "whyyyyy :)"
Severy-4 . o O ( Greg seems to disappear at the most convenient times :-) )
Greg says, "Yes, I am here."
Severy-4 says, "Ahh, he's alive!"
Greg says, "However, my arms are not twistable. There's just no way I'll
have time to work on that flyer." irs says, "I haev pdf, and I have the
flyer. The reason my flyer has no pictures is because I have this wonderful
printer whose output wouldn't look as great as I wanted it to." kokhmmm
says, "If you get me a clone, make that two, I might" irs says, "And I
don't really have the pictures that were on the original." Severy-4 says,
"Ok, who's arms can I twist?" irs says, "Mine are amply twisted, thank you.
I can't design a new one, but if you want what I've got, it's yours."
Scottyg-2 says, "Ian, we can pay to have a printer print out a good quality
original and run off some copies." john-r says, "Ian do you have time to
edit some thoughts? like last year?" irs says, "Sure, or I can e-mail a
good one, and you can output it. But what I don't have is the pictures that
were on the original." irs says, "Time being on the order of half an hour,
yes. More than that, not in the next two weeks." john-r says, "the orgianl
is in the asi-images dir" john-r says, "Want me to look it up ??" Scottyg-2
says, "Was this flyer the abortive mail-out we prepared?" john-r says, "why
abortive?"
Severy-4 says, "Ok, folks, I'm putting in many dozens of hours putting
together stuff to do outreach for the Moon Society at ISDC, I just
need a *little
bit* of time from those of you too busy to attend to help me make it look
decent, is that too much to ask?" Scottyg-2 says, "Long story John. Some
other time." john-r says, "ok"
john-r says, "Randll lets see what esle is needed on the agenda, then ret,
i sittill have 2 letters to write from prior meetings, but ISDC may be more
important" john-r says, "i can do jpegs to look at aand have Ian review,
then Peter to do PDF\" john-r says, "so in one way, we can all chip in a
little" Severy-4 says, "I can generate PDF from Word documents, but I don't
have the components" Severy-4 says, "The original ASI flyer source uses
fonts that don't exist on Windows machines, which requires a completely new
layout from scratch" john-r says, "And we can try to have chip look at it -
if he has any time" Scottyg-2 says, "I can also create pdf from microsoft
documents or jpeg." john-r says, "So if we can run thru a few more aganda
items, then finish with the flyer-OK ??" john-r says, "sorry for the capps"
Scottyg-2 says, "Would Dana have the Mac application to open it?" Severy-4
says, "Anyway, if I have to I'll go with the hacked ASI flyer I used last
month, it's very inappropriate, but if it's the best we can do I'd rather
do *something* than just sit on our hands" dcarson says, "should I roll up
and send some posters so you have them for decotrations etc?" Severy-4
says, "Yes, if you could, Dana, it would be a big help, I'll get you the
address to send them to" john-r says, "or may seel a couple of posters,
maybe?" john-r says, "maybe sell"
dcarson says, "I don't have a PDF editor, although I could try the GNU one
I suppose" Severy-4 says, "Ok, let's come back to the flyer when my blood
pressure is back to a normal level" Severy-4 says, "Moving on to the Call
for Volunteers" Severy-4 says, "I sent out an e-mail about that this
afternoon, if you haven't had a chance to read that yet, please do so now"
Scottyg-2 says, "Randall, what was the original Mac application?" Severy-4
says, "I don't have a clue, Scotty" Scottyg-2 says, "Was it the flyer we
did for the mail-out?" Scottyg-2 says, "Says "You Can Go Too" at the top?"
Severy-4 says, "No, although something equivalent to that for the Moon
Society would be nice to have" Severy-4 says, "But I'm realizing that doing
that is now a pipe dream at this point in time" kokhmmm says, "I'll do the
flyer next week after I get done with June MMM. Suggestions on content are
welcome." john-r says, "On the voll e-mail and new web page, its a good
astart, it needs a auto form , maybe Dana and i can look at the chapters
suggestion form and add it to the vol page" Michael says, "the only
suggestion I'd make WRT to the CFV is to give a very brief description of
each of the areas....." john-r says, "but that can be added in say a couple
of weeks, fter we get the isdc flyer" Severy-4 says, "I'm getting leery
about forms to send e-mail, most of the ones on asi.org only generate junk
e-mail these days, John" Scottyg-2 says, "Is it time to drag out the NVIS
again?" john-r says, "NVIS??"
john-r says, "Understood Randall, on forms" Scottyg-2 says, "New Volunteer
Information System." Severy-4 says, "Only once we can get enough volunteers
to actually *work* on NVIS, Scotty :-(" dcarson says, "do forms generate
junk mail or mailto links?" Severy-4 says, "I wasn't thinking of this as a
replacement for NVIS, however, it's primarily a place to point people to
when they ask "what can I do to help?"" Scottyg-2 says, "An effort that
extended over a couple of years at ASI to create a database of volunteer
skills and interests." Severy-4 says, "Forms generate blank e-mails, Dana,
and Ian found that tool for protecting mailto links" Severy-4 says, "Which
I didn't get around to using for the one on the volunteer page, I can
update that" dcarson says, "yep, found some javascript that does that, need
to put it on a utulity page so people writing pages can htmlify the email
addresses" Severy-4 says, "I get at least two blank e-mails a day from the
ECTC volunteer form, for example, and the Sponsors form generates another
blank e-mail or two a day" Severy-4 says, "The tool Ian found will do that
for you, but it's a Windows-only app" Severy-4 says, "Doesn't need
Javascript" dcarson says, "this is javascript that generates the htmlified
code to paste into what you're editing" Severy-4 says, "Ahh, ok"
dcarson says, "no javascript needed at time of reading" john-r says, "on
the forms and junk e-mail - i have seen forms that have a image that people
have to retype, its suppose to stop automated responses- anyone have any
idea how hard that is to put to use?" Severy-4 says, "I agree with the
value of a brief description, Michael" Severy-4 says, "Arthur, three of the
positions listed currently have your name attached to them, can you write
up a brief position description for the leader of Outreach, Fundraising,
and Conferences?" Severy-4 says, "I can do the one for the Mid-Atlantic
Chapter" Severy-4 says, "The other problem with forms is that so many
people mispell their e-mail address in forms, the big advantage of a mailto
link is that most e-mail clients will automatically use the correct From
address" kokhmmm says, "I suggested that "local contact in your area" be
one of the volunteer positions and I can write something on that." Severy-4
says, "Thanks, Peter!"
Severy-4 says, "Any suggestions for the Volunteer Guidelines? Those are
just a brain dump of what came to mind when I was writing it" Severy-4
says, "Ian, any editorial suggestions on the overall page?" irs says,
"Sorry, I'm a little confused. Obviously, I haven't seen the e-mail. It
includes a link to a page? In which case, it'll take me another few minutes
to load Navigator." kokhmmm says, "Volunteer Guidelines - should brainstorm
some ettiquete: like telling people when you want to quit instead of just
going incommunicado!" dcarson says, "
http://www.moonsociety.org/volunteer.html" Severy-4 says, "That's what I
was trying to say with point #3" Severy-4 says, "Check your e-mail, Ian, it
has the details in it" john-r says, "IMHO - the guidelines are ok for the
web page- but it might be offending to all the members in the e-mail - it
reminds one of work and not fun - yet i agree that to get to the moon - we
have to somehow do as we do in work" irs says, "Just skimmed through my
waiting e-mail. Found the message." irs says, "Hang on while I load up
Navigator and look at it." Michael is on the mail
Severy-4 says, "I agree with that sentiment, John, I can leave out the
guidelines from the e-mail" Michael says, "err... the phone"
Severy-4 chuckles.
irs says, "Got it, printed it, editing it now." Arthur says, "back again"
Arthur says, "I can write up a sentence or two on each (answering Randall's
most recent question)" Severy-4 says, "Thanks, Arthur!"
Arthur says, "Did I actually have my name on fundraising though? I thought
somebody else had that one ..." irs says, "OK. It looks good. Couple minor
changes: Delete the first word, "Since", and capitalize the t in "the".
Then put a period after the word "volunteers" instead of a coma, and
capitalize the t in the next "the". This breaks an incredibly long sentence
into two better sentences." Severy-4 says, "Good catch, actually no one had
their name on that one" Arthur says, "But I'd be happy to write a
description for it anyway" irs says, "Also, why is "Mid-Atlantic Chapter"
one of the four key areas that need volunteers? I'm not complaining about
one versus another, but it seems out of place." Severy-4 says, "Thanks!"
Severy-4 says, "It's an active chapter that desperately needs a chapter
leader" Severy-4 says, "But I agree it may be better to advertise that
locally rather than on this page" irs says, "Change "Mid-Atlantic Chapter"
perhaps to "local chapter"? Or is that a part of outreach?" Severy-4 says,
"Peter already suggested the "Local Contact in your Area" item, which can
take the place of the Mid-Atlantic Chapter" irs says, "Oh, that link at the
bottom, "Submit a Request to update to this page". I'm not sure I
understand what it means.r" Severy-4 says, "That's part of the footer, it's
on all of the pages on the site" john-r says, "Ian its for the web team"
john-r says, "so i can edit a page on the fly" irs says, "Grammatically, it
doesn't work for me. What does it mean?" dcarson says, "it means
programmers need editors :-)" john-r says, "LOL _ I agree Dana"
Severy-4 says, "Ok, volunteer page updated, refresh to see the changes"
Severy-4 says, "It should be "submit a request to update this page", I'm
not sure where the extra "to" came from" kokhmmm says, "I think if means
that if you, the person viewing the page, notice something that is not
current,m complete, or otherwise needs changing, adding, deleting, then
send that information and request to the web-master's attention." Severy-4
says, "Ok, the grammar should be fixed now" kokhmmm says, "Look's better"
irs says, "That's better, Randall (the footer). In the updated page,
perhaps "local contact" would be better than "Local Contact in your area",
which is improperly capitalized at any rate ("Local Contact in Your Area").
Or simply "Local Chapter"." Severy-4 says, "How about just "Local Contact"
and the brief description can reference the "in your area" aspect?" irs
says, "Fine."
kokhmmm says, "Local Chapter is too intimidating to someone new. Prefer
local contact" Scottyg-2 says, "Local Contacts?"
Severy-4 says, "Yeah, I was just thinking that too, Scotty, it should be
plural" kokhmmm says, "Good, Scotty"
Scottyg-2 says, "We want more than one." irs says, "On the other hand...."
Severy-4 poises with his finger on the Publish button irs says, "Local
contact means we need the volunteer to be IN CHARGE. I'd rather say
something less boss-like" kokhmmm says, "How about Artists, Modelers,
Cartoonists, Writers, etc." irs says, "Heck, what we really need there is
someone to have a party. That's it; get the locals to show up so they can,
amongst themselves, choose someone to be in charge." Severy-4 says, "Yeah,
but you need someone to organize the party" john-r says, "a quote from
asi,or/http://www.asi.org/adb/06/things-you-can-do.html" Severy-4 says,
"Hence the phrase "take a lead role" in the introduction, we need people to
get things organized, they can then draft the worker bees" john-r says, "It
will only happen when you make it happpen!" dcarson says, "speaking of
which, Balticon is the same weekend as ISDC, want to send me some flyers
also, both Moon Society and Artemis Magazine" kokhmmm says, "Party
organizer might be ideal, but that requires someone more ambitious than
simply a contact person to answer email and help get things started. You're
jumping 5 steps ahead!" dcarson says, "and there will be the usual joint
party for Moon Scoiety and NSS at it" Scottyg-2 says, "Yeah, first you have
to have at least one other person." kokhmmm says, "If "organize party" is a
required part of job description, we'd lose most of our present contacts"
irs says, "I'll put something together, Dana." irs says, "I bow to superior
volume. Me, I always figured running a party was much easier than being
president." Severy-4 says, "We're advertising for more than people just to
answer e-mail, we need people to *organize* things, not just show up"
kokhmmm says, "Local contact isn't president. Once there are more people,
there is an election, and leader could be someone else." Severy-4 says,
"We've got hundreds and hundreds of followers, but we're desperately short
of *leaders*" irs says, "I give. Local Contact is fine." john-r says,
"Randall doe we want to add the asi message to the vol web page?" Severy-4
says, "Which ASI message?"
kokhmmm says, "Rndall, I agree "taking initiative" should be part of job
description." john-r says, "randall >>"It will only happen when you make it
happpen!"" Michael reads the meeting agenda
Severy-4 says, "Sounds reasonable to me, let me find a good place to put
it..." john-r says, "IMHO Randall - at the first of the e-mail?? to try to
get their attention, and at the end of the vol page?" Severy-4 says, "Page
updated"
Severy-4 says, "I put it after the opening paragraph" Scottyg-2 says,
"Under the guidelines #2, replace e-mails with communications." Severy-4
says, "Good point"
irs says, "Not to keep running in circles, but Randall, mightn't that
little quote make a stronger header for the page than "Volunteering for the
Moon Society!"?" Severy-4 says, "I don't know if it's really a header, it's
more a tag line" kokhmmm says, "Randall, you copied Joh's spelling with 3
pp s in happpen instead of happen." john-r says, "thats a neat idea Ian"
Scottyg-2 says, "It could be a sub-header." Severy-4 says, "Oops, I cut and
pasted it from the asi.org page, which also has 3 p's" irs says, "Good
catch, Peter."
Scottyg-2 says, "Heh. Add another volunteer requirment....Somepne to
correct the spelling of happpen." Michael thanks Randall for the ASI biz
team movement..... john-r says, "i am a poor typest :) but i did a cut and
paste also " Severy-4 says, "Ok, moved, corrected, and republished"
Scottyg-2 says, "I like it."
Severy-4 says, "Ok, I don't want to spend all night tweaking this one web
page, so let's move on" john-r says, "michael ??? on Michael thanks Randall
for the ASI biz team movement....." Scottyg-2 says, "Although I liked the
original bold on "you"" Severy-4 says, "This page is a living document,
however, so feel free to send more suggestions any time in the future"
Severy-4 says, "That bold appears to be overridden by the style, Scotty
:-(" john-r says, "i thing it need green poke a dots :)" Severy-4 laughs.
Scottyg-2 says, "The entire line is bold." Severy-4 says, "Yup"
Michael says, "john, just a piece of mail that randall sent to ASI program
participants..." john-r says, "are we ready for the next item??" Severy-4
says, "Michael was referring to the re-activation of the Artemis Project
Business Team, which I've been threatening to do for two years, and finally
got done this week" john-r says, "Michael - can i get a copy??" john-r
says, "i see"
Severy-4 says, "If you start a company that becomes an Artemis Project
Program Participant, John, you can get a copy :-)" john-r says, "next item
on agenda - next item on agenda - ra ra ra" Severy-4 says, "Ok, moving on
to Outreach efforts" Severy-4 says, "The outreach mailing list has been
extremely quiet, so I don't imagine there is much to report here" Arthur
says, "Uh, nothing from me on that, sorry" Severy-4 says, "Anyone have any
suggestions on kick-starting this area? Other than waiting for someone who
actually has some time to get involved in it?" Arthur says, "big tent?"
john-r says, "I have mentiones Scouting - more than once since i joined :)"
john-r says, "mentioned"
Severy-4 says, "That's part of it, Arthur, we'll do as much outreach we can
at ISDC along those lines" Arthur says, "Part of the problem is outreach
seems to mean something different to everybody who talks about it - there's
so much we could be doing..." Arthur says, "what you and Dana did for
Rockville was great" Severy-4 says, "I'm trying to kick-start some stuff in
the local chapter here, but the unstated item in my recent chapter report
was that out of the request to all of the local chapter members, only Dana
and I showed up :-(" kokhmmm says, "Yes, there is Outreach to media, to
groups, to general audiences; at large outreach,; local outreach (chapter
stuff)" john-r says, "May i suggest letting the e-mail to the members go
out, and see what happens- as in see if anyone responds?" Scottyg-2 says,
"Might this better be called Community Education?" Michael hopes/thinks
that the news coming out of the space summit stuff will do a good bit of
outreach.... people want to be involved in something that they feel is
doing something/has the Big Mo Arthur says, "any votes for the most
important goal of outreach efforts? Increasing membership?" Arthur says,
"or just increasing name recognition?" kokhmmm says, "Yah, Randall, got
your request as I am on all chapter lists, but the commute was just too
long." john-r says, "Name first and New mwmbweship a close second" Severy-4
says, "Yeah, that's another reason I'm pushing so hard to get some of this
stuff organized, Michael, and why I'm getting so frustrated at hearing "I
don't have any time" all too often..." Arthur says, "Or just increasing
awareness in general of what can be done with the Moon?" kokhmmm says,
"increasing recognition of Moon as a future human destination, and home"
Severy-4 says, "Between ISDC, the Space Summit, and other upcoming events,
this is the time we have to get some momentum going" kokhmmm says, "and
source of resources to solve problems on Earth" Michael its late guys and I
have an early business meeting tomorrow.... Arthur says, "All those go
together, but it's hard to focus on all at once..." kokhmmm says, "Bye,
Michael"
john-r says, "Bye Michael"
Michael says, "I'll be back home tomorrow evening... catch you then!"
Severy-4 says, "I think the key thing is we need to get someone on board to
coordinate Outreach activities, and that's one goal of the Call for
Volunteers, so let's see what comes out of that" Michael has disconnected.
Severy-4 says, "So let's move on to Membership Services" john-r says, "ok"
Severy-4 says, "We really, really, really need to get our renewal
procedures working again, what can we do to get that done?" Severy-4 says,
"There are a number of e-mails in Membership Support about problems with
the renewal form as well, has anyone checked on those?" Scottyg-2 says, "I
checked on the queries about the State Code." john-r says, "I sent a couple
to Arthur- last week- but forgot to send to Scotty also" Scottyg-2 says,
"That seems to be more failure to understand than anything wrong with the
scripts. I changed the Alert message a bit." Severy-4 says, "Ok"
Scottyg-2 says, "It used to say "Please enter a valid two-digit State
code."" Severy-4 says, "I don't remember the details from past meetings,
but someone was going to look into outsource the renewal mailings, anyone
remember who that was?" Severy-4 says, "into outsourcing, rather" Scottyg-2
says, "Now it says "Please enter a valid two-character US Postal State
Code."" Severy-4 says, "Ahh, ok, yeah, I can see how "digit" would confuse
those people who didn't get many brain cells when they were handed out"
Scottyg-2 says, "yup."
The housekeeper arrives to cart Michael off to bed. john-r says, "Was it
Michael?? "
Scottyg-2 says, "I think Jennifer would be willing to take it back, but I
think we need to pay a higher rate for her to give it much priority."
john-r trying to rack his brain cells
Severy-4 says, "Hmm, I'm ok with that if it would solve the crisis"
Severy-4 says, "Can you negotiate that with her, Scotty?" Arthur says,
"Just so you know, I've been going through the old membership emails in
helpdir. Doesn't seem to be a huge number of problems - thanks for fixing
that text!" Scottyg-2 says, "I'll talk it over with her. She complained
about the rate at the outset." Severy-4 says, "Ok, anything else on
Membership Services before we move on?" Scottyg-2 says, "Just a comment..."
john-r says, "i am ok to move on"
Scottyg-2 says, "It appears that memberships are generally being processed
in a timely manner now." Severy-4 says, "Ahh, that's good to hear"
Scottyg-2 says, "I think getting the live credit card submission going was
a big help." kokhmmm says, "Scotty, did Dave Schrunk renew? He wants to
take over lead of dormant San Diego chapter." Severy-4 says, "Now that
we're removing people from teams after the expiration grace period, any lag
in processing renewals is more visible" Scottyg-2 says, "Do we want to
explain about the confusion on membership size?" Severy-4 says, "I saw an
e-mail from Dave in Help Director somewhere, but I don't remember the
details" Scottyg-2 says, "I answered his email tonight." Severy-4 says,
"Sure. A while back after the manual process to change membership status
from Current to Expired didn't work very well any more, I implemented an
overnight automatic job that changed the status for members after they had
been expired for more than two months" Severy-4 says, "Unfortunately that
overnight job was only scheduled to run on the ASI Team Director system.
Although other data updates were synchronized with the Moon Society system,
those status changes were not, so the Moon Society system was not being
updated" Severy-4 says, "Hence the larger number of current members in the
Moon Society system" Severy-4 says, "The overnight job is now running on
both systems, so they will always be the same" Severy-4 says, "The MMM
reports were generated from the ASI system, so they were always correct"
Scottyg-2 says, "As a result, the actual current membership is about 250,
not 340 as I recently reported." kokhmmm says, "I get two MMM reports. One
on the numbers, which was wrong, and one on the addresses, which was
right." john-r says, "ahh thats the diff"
Severy-4 says, "Hmm, both of those reports come from the same system, so
they should match" Scottyg-2 says, "Peter, the one with the numbers checks
out as correct." Severy-4 says, "I thought the problem was running the
report by hand through the browser on the Moon Society system" Scottyg-2
says, "(I actually counted the list and compared with the numbers.)"
kokhmmm says, "My mistake. I rember now that I questioned the numbers
because they didn't match Scotty's "340"" Severy-4 says, "Anyway, speaking
of MMM, I have some updates on the Electronic MMM Announcements" Severy-4
says, "I finished most of the development work for that this afternoon"
Severy-4 says, "I still need to finish the directory index template, but
the publishing filter and Team Director notification module are finished"
Severy-4 says, "The draft e-mail template can be seen at
http://www.moonsociety.org/cgi-bin/teamdir/teamdir?ViewTemplate=Go&Template=/account/mmm.msg"
Severy-4 says, "Each time a new MMM issue is published, that e-mail will go
out to all current members that do not have a newsletter status of "Don't
Want", with the filename and login information filled in in the appropriate
places" Severy-4 says, "Please send me any corrections, improvements, etc.
to that template, or you can make the changes yourself in Team Director if
you feel up to it (the template is "account/mmm.msg")" Arthur says, "Too
bad on the membership numbers - we had our hopes up there..." john-r says,
":) can i change webmaster to greg??" john-r testing if greg is around
Severy-4 says, "I'll have the index template ready in the next few days and
I'll send out instructions on the new procedure for publishing MMM PDF
files at that time" irs reads the meeting agenda
Arthur says, "Text of template looks good to me." john-r says, "looks good
to me"
john-r notes he likes the paper copy better irs says, "I'm starting to
crash, but I've still got e-mail to read. Are we going to be much longer?
(Or am I still needed tonight?)" Severy-4 says, "I think we'll be wrapping
up soon, Ian" john-r says, "Except for me and Randall and anyone on the
flyer" Severy-4 says, "Michael isn't around to talk about grant stuff, Mike
isn't here for the team stuff, we've covered most of the help desk issues
already" Severy-4 says, "I don't think there is any progress to mention on
state of the society updates or 10k ideas" Severy-4 says, "So that leaves
us only with web site stuff, and John got the short end of the stick
tonight :-)" Arthur reads the meeting agenda
john-r says, ":) - am use to it"
Severy-4 says, "Any quick issues on the web site before we call it a night,
John?" Arthur says, "Wow, amazing we got to it though!" Severy-4 says, "You
were first last time so I stuck you at the end tonight :-)" irs says, "All
right. Let me know if you want the flyer I've got, or if you need me to
edit/pdf a new one." Arthur says, "Howcome we updated the picture 3 times
the first week, and haven't since?" john-r says, "Ian can you send it to
the leaders list?" Severy-4 says, "I can probably construct a new one, Ian,
but I could really use your help on rewording the content to make it
appropriate for the Moon Society" john-r says, "Arthur see the right side
bar- it cahnged for 2 or 3 weeks :)" Severy-4 says, "Unless we have any
grand design ideas, I'd recommend sticking with the same general layout of
the flyer, and just updating the text. If you can send me new text for it,
Ian, I can put the pieces together" irs says, "Send a pdf file to the list?
I don't know. Randall, if you can shoot me a draft, it makes my end a hell
of a lot easier." john-r says, "And Dana has been trying to pin Tim down on
the cronkite stuff" irs says, "Great, we're each trying to get the other to
do the first step <G>." dcarson says, "yep"
Scottyg-2 says, "Randall, do we have the password to put in the <$PASSWORD>
field?" Severy-4 says, "Ian, your flyer has the same text as the original
ASI one? Just with the membership address changed?" irs says, "Hang on, let
me dig it out." Severy-4 says, "Yes, Scotty, except for administrative
users (who just get "N/A" in that field)" Scottyg-2 says, "Ah, OK."
Severy-4 says, "I didn't touch the original text, except for replacing
"Artemis Society International" with "The Moon Society" where appropriate"
Scottyg-2 says, "Randall, one more thought on the Big Tent concept re
Volunteers..." Severy-4 says, "Peter, I'm hoping to have an exhibit at ISDC
using your Artemis Project storyboard that I used for the Rockville event"
irs says, "The top is "If you believe space should be more than a spectator
sport, join the moon society and help private enterprise put mankind back
on the moon!" The body has two paragraphs, then six bullets, two more
paragraphs, and the tear-off coupon at the bottom." Severy-4 says, "But at
the Rockville event several people (mostly teachers, embarrasingly enough)
pointed out some typos on those slides. What's the best way of getting
updates made to those slides?" kokhmmm says, "Randall, do you need or have
the diorama and model to go with it? Or should I ship it to you?" Scottyg-2
says, "One position we intended to staff but never found a volunteer was a
coordinator with other societies." Severy-4 says, "I don't have the diorama
or model, it would be great if we could use that!" irs says, "The
penultimate paragraph is "The Moon Society was formed in 2000 to provide
everyone with an oppportunity to participate in developing lunar flight
that will be available to private citizens! No matter what your interest or
talents, there is a role for you in the Moon Society!"" kokhmmm says, "I
may be using it the weekend prior on the 16th/17th but could then ship it."
Severy-4 says, "Hmm, that's different from the one I have, Ian, better
stick with your text" kokhmmm says, "Let me know where. Tim's? Need
address." Severy-4 says, "Good point, Scotty, that definitely fits into
both the Big Tent stuff and the Call for Volunteers" irs says, "OK, I think
this flyer is fine. Am I e-mailing you the pdf file?" Severy-4 says, "I'll
send you Tim's address" Arthur says, "coordinator with other societies?
Sounds useful... " Severy-4 says, "I would prefer source text so that I can
build a PDF along with the images" kokhmmm says, "I'll get shipping carton
ready." irs says, "Just send you the text? That's easy." Severy-4 says, "Do
you have just the PDF, or a source document in another format?" irs says,
"Heck, I can retype this sucker into an e-mail in about four minutes. ASCII
cool?" Severy-4 says, "But send along the PDF as well, I can use that as a
reference for putting together the layout" irs says, "In that case, I gotta
dig through my files. A few more minutes, but no big pain." Severy-4 says,
"If the text is already in the PDF, just e-mail the PDF as an attachment, I
can get the text out of there" Arthur says, "By the way, we should add that
press release on supporting the space settlement initiative to our
announcements somewhere..." Severy-4 says, "Good point, Arthur, who can
follow up on that?" Severy-4 says, "Scotty, can you come up with a title
and brief description for the "other society coordinator" that I can put on
the Volunteers page?" kokhmmm says, "Have to sign off. G'night!" john-r
says, "Arthur - you mean on the home page = or an e-mail" Severy-4 says,
"Good night, Peter, thanks for everything!" kokhmmm has disconnected.
john-r says, "Nite Peter"
Scottyg-2 says, "Yep...Is this weekend satisfactory?" Severy-4 says, "Sure"
Scottyg-2 says, "okidoki."
Severy-4 says, "And on that note, I think we can call it a night!" irs
says, "OK, Randall. I'll find the pdf file and e-mail it to you. Tonight or
tomorrow." Severy-4 says, "Thanks, everyone, for a very productive
meeting!" irs says, "good night."
Severy-4 says, "Thanks, Ian!"
dcarson says, "gnight all"
irs has disconnected.
Scottyg-2 says, "Nite all!"
john-r says, "Randall are you staying around?" john-r says, "Nite Scotty
and Dana"
Severy-4 says, "I'll be up for another 45 minutes or so, most likely"
Arthur says, "Hmm, I'll try to follow up on that then. I wanted to check
some of the other web pages too. Did we ever set up a news/announcements
page?" Severy-4 says, "Despite having to get up at 6 am, I've given up hope
on getting a good night's sleep these days" john-r says, "Arthur fo now its
an include on the main page" john-r says, "till we have have cronkit up and
running" Severy-4 says, "There is a small section of the home page, and a
separate news directory, but not a dedicated news/announcements page"
Arthur says, "Ah, right. We're waiting on Tim for something to do with
cronkite?" john-r says, "yes thats correct,..."
john-r says, "i last cked with dana 2 or so weeks ago" Arthur says,
"Dana???"
dcarson says, "I need to get him to give me a lesson in how it works"
john-r says, "and it seems tim wrote some or all of the cronkite stuff" The
housekeeper arrives to cart kokhmmm off to bed. Scottyg-2 says, "FWIW, Jim
Burk had created *something* aimed in the direction of news." Arthur says,
"And Randall's planning this moon-news list. Hmmm." Scottyg-2 says, "The
Moon Society database includes a table for pub_news." The housekeeper
arrives to cart irs off to bed. Scottyg-2 says, "It has 13 entries...."
john-r says, "sys lag warning"
Arthur says, "Scotty, can you check helpdir entry [N6J9K1] - problem with
credit card expiration? Looks like he never succeeded..." Scottyg-2 says,
"Ah...I'll bet I know what the problem is...." Scottyg-2 says, "That same
problem turned up on SimsHost." Scottyg-2 says, "(Derived from the same
JavaScript)" Arthur says, "What problem would that be?" Scottyg-2 says, "In
JavaScript, a numeric value beginning with a zero...i.e. 08...is
interpreted as an octal number and fails if the number is 8 or 9." john-r
says, "still have lag, sorry"
Scottyg-2 says, "The fix is to override the octal interpretation." john-r
says, "it just cleared up"
Arthur says, "Can you fix the javascript there?" Arthur says, "Is a
workaround to tell them to use 9/03 instead of 09/03?" Scottyg-2 says,
"Yep. I already have the correct code on SimsHost, just have to find the
scripts in both places and copy & paste." Scottyg-2 says, "Yes on the
workaround." john-r says, "Randall anything needed on the flyer?" Severy-4
says, "Let me see what I get from Ian, John, I may be able to take it from
there" john-r has reconnected.
Severy-4 says, "Let me see what I get from Ian, John, I may be able to take
it from there" john-r says, "ok, i reckon i should go to bed then" john-r
says, "nite all"
john-r says, "BTW Can you send a copy to the leaders list, before
production?" john-r says, "or post it in the leaders web site" john-r says,
"on the flyer"
Arthur says, "Hey, membership helpdir is clear except for a query for
Scotty! :-)" john-r says, "Sounds Good Arthur"
Arthur says, "Hmmm, well, I'm mildly tempted to look at information
requests - but I think I'll hold off. Goodnight guys!" Severy-4 says,
"That's great news, Arthur!" john-r says, "Nite Arthur"
Severy-4 says, "Yes, John, I'll circulate works in progress on the leaders
list" john-r says, "TY randall"
Arthur has disconnected.
john-r says, "TY Randall :)"
john-r says, "Nite all"
john-r has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to cart Arthur off to bed. The housekeeper arrives
to cart john-r off to bed.

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