-- Start log: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 9:12:39 pm ASI Meeting Server time-- 

Severy switches places with Severy-5
kokhmmm says, "Hi from Atlanta!"
dcarson-1 says, "helo"
Severy-5 says, "Hi, Peter! Whatcha doing in Atlanta?" kokhmmm says, "Tagged
along with a friend on a business meeting" Nancy-1 says, "Hi Dana!"
Scottyg-1 says, "Hi all!"
Greg-2 says, "I have a log, Randall. Where do ya want it?" Severy-5 says, "
severy@moonsociety.org would be fine" Greg-2 says, "Evening, Scotty!"
kokhmmm says, "Hi, Scotty"
dcarson-1 reads the meeting agenda
saavik reads the meeting agenda
saavik says, "If I am on first, the elections report is two fold" saavik
says, "1) Has every officer and BOD voted? I haven't looked at names but I
think I am missing a few" saavik says, "2) We currently have 38 votes. Not
bad (more than last time I was collating ballots)" saavik says, "and if
anyone sees john_r, I need him to fix his ballot" saavik says, "questions?"
Greg-2 says, "On its way, Randall. You might want to do a sanity check
before sending it on." Scottyg-1 says, "I haven't voted yet."
Scottyg-1 says, "And I have one mail-in ballot." Severy-5 says, "Thanks,
Greg!"
Greg-2 says, "Scotty, can you put the mail-in in an appropriate email to
elections@moonsociety.org so it will have a traceable thread ID?" saavik
says, "that would be great"
saavik says, "then I can add it to the sheet" saavik says, "and please do
vote scotty" Scottyg-1 says, "I plan to....there's still 10 days left."
saavik says, "oh interesting - 37 votes" saavik says, "someone got entered
twice" saavik says, "this is why I'm checking :-)" Greg-2 says, "Scotty,
right; don't want to rush into anything. :)" Greg-2 says, "Good idea, Amy."
Greg-2 says, "A quick way to check would be to print out a checklist from
the mailbox summary." Greg-2 says, "That shows thread ID, name, and
membership number so it makes it easy to validate voters without even
looking at the ballots." saavik says, "I'm actually trying to make sure all
the numbers are entered" saavik says, "plus a bunch of people with invalid
ballots replied to me only when fixing them" saavik says, "so I have to
read my mailbox ..." saavik says, "anyway, elections summary is done unless
there are questions?" saavik says, "do we have a protocol for counting?"
saavik says, "do I email the spreadsheet (sans names) to greg on aug 1?"
Greg-2 says, "That will work."
Greg-2 says, "You can send to Scotty, too; he's been through this before."
Greg-2 says, "Then we'll have a check." kokhmmm says, "I will hold the
August MMM until the results are in, hopefully by mid-month." saavik says,
"ok"
saavik says, "we should know by the august meeting peter" Greg-2 says, "It
shouldn't taken too long to count the votes, Peter." saavik says, "usually
happens during the first meeting after elections close" saavik says, "but
in the spreadsheet, greg and scotty can count offline even" saavik says,
"if the baby arrives first, I'll still send you two the spreadsheet" saavik
says, "and scotty, you will type that paper ballot in soon?" kokhmmm says,
"How long do Vulcan pregnancies last?" saavik says, "ok, all votes
verified. just need the paper ballots and the missing officer votes and any
other votes to roll in. does anyone think I need a last reminder close to
the deadline?" saavik says, "and good question peter"
saavik says, "almost 38 weeks so far"
Scottyg-1 says, "Hmmm - are we aware that the ballot sent out by email
omitted Greg's name?" Scottyg-1 says, "But the one published in MMM
included it?" saavik says, "hmm?"
saavik says, "it has his name??"
dcarson-1 says, "left out where, I see him in the one I got" Scottyg-1
says, "Copy and paste from the email ballot I received....." Greg-2 says,
"Eh? I think my name is on the ballot I received." Scottyg-1 says, "Moon
Society Officers vote" Scottyg-1 says, "President - Two nomination were
received" Scottyg-1 [ ] Ian Randal Strock # 27
Scottyg-1 [ ] Peter Kokh # 239
Scottyg-1 [ ] write in candidate ___________________ #______ Scottyg-1
says, "Secretary - Only one nomination was received" Scottyg-1 [ ] Gary
Grey # 914
Scottyg-1 [ ] write in candidate ___________________ #______ Scottyg-1
says, "Board of Directors Vote" Scottyg-1 says, "Six Nominations received
for 4 slots" Scottyg-1 [ ] Steve Jackson - #154
Scottyg-1 [ ] Peter Kokh - #239 (incumbent, see Note
* above) Scottyg-1 [ ] Michael Mealling - #579 (incumbent) Scottyg-1 [ ]
Mike Delaney #891 Scottyg-1 [ ] Gary Grey - #914 (see Note* above)
Scottyg-1 [ ] write in candidate ____________________ #______ saavik says,
"eh? that is the reminder ballot?" Severy-5 says, "Greg is listed before
Steve Jackson in the e-mail I received" Scottyg-1 says, "Yep."
Scottyg-1 says, "The one sent on 7/15/04" saavik says, "but I have people
who voted for him - are we sure?" saavik says, "phone..."
kokhmmm says, "How did that omission happen? Did I send it or did you,
Amy?" Severy-5 says, "Mine has:"
Severy-5 says, "Board of Directors Vote" Severy-5 says, "Six Nominations
received for 4 slots" Severy-5 says, "Place 1 - 4 (up to 6) beside each
name (in order of preference)" Severy-5 [ ] Gregory Bennett # 1 (incumbent)
Severy-5 [ ] Steve Jackson - #154
Greg-2 says, "Amy is just trying to get rid of me. :)" Scottyg-1 says, "I
have the reminder sent on 7/15 open and just copied and pasted from it, so
yes, I'm sure." Greg-2 says, "I didn't even look at the 7/15 ballot."
saavik says, "I didn't see the error??" saavik says, "will look once the
phone is done (parents calling)" Scottyg-1 says, "I noticed it when the
mail-in I'm processing voted for Greg but there wasn't a place on the email
ballot I was using as a template." Severy-5 says, "I got the same e-mail
and it has the two lines that appear to be missing from Scotty's copy"
Greg-2 says, "Strange."
Severy-5 says, "Anyone else have the 7/15 reminder e-mail to double-check?"
Greg-2 says, "Is it in Help Director?"
john-r arrives.
Greg-2 says, "There's John!"
kokhmmm says, "Hi, John"
john-r says, "Hi Greg and Peter and all" Greg-2 says, "Somebody remember to
tell John that Amy wants a corrected ballot. :)" john-r says, "10-4"
john-r says, "i knew that :)"
Greg-2 says, "Nancy's 7/15 reminder ballot does have my name on it."
garygray says, "The Email I got on 7/15 has Greg's name on it!" Severy-5
says, "Bizarre!"
Greg-2 says, "Aha! So it's SCOTTY who's trying to get rid of me, eh?"
Severy-5 grins.
Greg-2 says, "I'm tenacious, I am! :)"
john-r says, "(how do i read the preceddings so far)" Scottyg-1 says, "I
even looked at the message source to be sure its the same." Severy-5 says,
"Use 'play current on recorder', John" john-r says, "TY Randall"
Greg-2 says, "That is, if we remembered to start the recorder." Severy-5
says, "I did"
dcarson-1 says, "I recieved spam forged from greg the other day" Greg-2
says, "Oh, good."
Scottyg-1 says, "Hmmm. This is even stranger...." Greg-2 says, "Oh great,
Dana. What is my evil twin advertising? (Or do I want to know?)" Scottyg-1
says, "The first email ballot I received on 6/16/04 is ALSO missing Greg's
name." Greg-2 says, "That would be a good spammer strategy -- match up
known good addresses from the same domain." Severy-5 says, "More pregnant
porn? Oh, right, that's Bigelow's evil twin :-)" Greg-2 says, "Right.
That's Roger's fetish, not mine!" Severy-5 says, "That's exactly what
they're doing, Greg, I'm getting a lot of those now :-(" dcarson-1 says,
"forwaded it to grb@asi.org" Greg-2 says, "Death is too good for those
guys." Severy-5 says, "Scotty, sounds like your e-mail client doesn't like
Greg's name :-)" Scottyg-1 says, "Not just his name, but the entire line
containing his name." dcarson-1 says, "most of the new internet worms that
infect MS machines are spammer helpers, they hijack your machinme to use as
a mail relay and web forwarder to avoid blacklists" Greg-2 says, "It
probably figures you get too much email from me already, so it's protecting
you." Scottyg-1 says, "Mail FROM you is just fine. Its mail ABOUT you that
is getting edited. :=)" Greg-2 says, "You probably need to be protected
from that even more!" Scottyg-1 says, "Your candidate statement is in
there." kokhmmm says, "A look at the returned ballots should show how many,
if any, are missing Greg's name. Then we could contact the sender with a
revised ballot." john-r is fixing supper, and in and out fer a few.. Greg-2
says, "Well... is there a chance that the lack of my name on that ballot
will change the results of the election?" Greg-2 says, "Good thinking,
Peter."
Greg-2 says, "a"
Scottyg-1 says, "Ok, the mail-in is there now." Greg-2 says, "Actually, if
Peter is elected president, the whole vote-counting process becomes moot
anyhow. There's no way Gary will avoid being elected secretary." Greg-2
says, "That leaves 4 candidates for 4 positions so all it takes is one
ballot cast." garygray says, "I'm in trouble now!"
Greg-2 says, "You'll enjoy, Gary! ("
Greg-2 says, "(Tell him, Amy!)"
garygray says, "just kidding!"
john-r says, "drat,,,its lighting to the north, anyone with anything for
me...before i go??" Greg-2 says, "Just leave your brain behind, John."
Greg-2 says, "The only agenda item I see with your name on it is the Lunar
Directory." kokhmmm says, "John, I am about done with the two MMM Classic
issues (one for year one, one for year two). Do you have a place to put
these pdf files so they can be freely accessed by anyone?" john-r says,
"Greg, my mind is mush from heat today :)" john-r says, "Peter..."
john-r says, "i will have to get back , as i think.. just a sec..\" Arthur
arrives.
kokhmmm says, "I can always upload them to the LRS site and you can fetch
them when you are ready." kokhmmm says, "Hi, Arthyr!"
Arthur says, "hi all!"
kokhmmm says, "thats Kinly Arthyrian spelling" kokhmmm says, "Kingly"
Severy-5 is back from catching up on the last meeting transcript john-r
says, "Peter - http://www.moonsociety.org/publications/" john-r says, "Hi
Arthur !"
kokhmmm says, "Thanks, John"
Severy-5 says, "Are we finished with elections?" Severy-5 says, "Hi,
Arthur!"
john-r says, "And with the lighting i am off , from the radar, for the
evening :( Bye all" john-r has disconnected.
Scottyg-1 says, "John turned out his lights." Severy-5 says, "If there's
nothing more on elections, let's move on to the NSS Relationship agenda
item" Severy-5 says, "Greg, I see from the last meeting log that you were
going to draft up something new on that, any progress?" MikeD arrives.
Arthur says, "Peter - nice idea on putting up old MMM's in a prominent
place by the way (from recent MMM which I just got around to reading)"
MikeD says, "Sorry I'm late folks"
Severy-5 says, "I'm going to be seeing George Whitesides at a party this
weekend if there is anything ready for me to review with him (hint, hint
:-))" MikeD reads the meeting agenda
Greg-2 says, "Randall, I still don't have that done, darn it." The
housekeeper arrives to cart john-r off to bed. Greg-2 says, "But I can
endeavor to get something done on it tomorrow so that you'll have something
new to show George." Arthur reads the meeting agenda
Severy-5 says, "That would be great!"
Greg-2 says, "I shall reorganize my priorities. Besides, I still want to
see if we can get this done on my shift." kokhmmm says, "Must disconnect to
avoid big hotel charge. Will be right back" kokhmmm says, "2quit"
kokhmmm has disconnected.
Greg-2 says, "Hmm... that's not likely, since there's only a week and a
half left on my shift." MikeD-1 arrives.
MikeD leaves.
MikeD-1 says, "is there soe way the rest of us could help you to expedite
the matter?" MikeD-1 says, "s/soe/some"
Arthur says, "Use of lunar resources for solar power satellites (or
Criswell's approach) seems to be catching on - I've been finding dozens of
people interested, both within NSS and outside recently. Might make sense
as a sub-interest group or another separate topical group in NSS..." Greg-2
says, "Mike, not that I can think of." MikeD-1 says, "I'd suggest cloning
several copies of you, but it would take too long to get the up to speed
:-)" Severy-5 says, "Ok, let's move on to Membership Services" kokhmmm has
connected.
Severy-5 says, "What's the latest in that area?" kokhmmm says,
"moon-leaders"
Severy-5 says, "How are the snail-mail renewal notices coming along?"
Scottyg-1 says, "I have a number of things...." Greg-2 says, "Not yet,
Randall."
Scottyg-1 says, "But I'll wait for your question." Nancy-1 says, "Missy had
9 renewals. :)" MikeD-1 says, "there was an issue with Bobby Will's
renewal, was that addressed?" Scottyg-1 says, "Thats one of my items."
Nancy-1 says, "Ok. Thanks, Scotty!"
Nancy-1 says, "Is it in Help Director?" Scottyg-1 says, "Someone notified
me that Bobby Will's renewal was for two years, but his membership was only
updated by one year." Nancy-1 says, "I'll tell Missy to leave it for you."
dcarson-1 says, "he said hed emaild membership@" kokhmmm says, "9 renewals
are good, but how many non-renewals" MikeD-1 says, "that's hard to quantify
Peter as people don't always renew on time" kokhmmm says, "Is there some
way to set up a program which flags people as 1, 2, 3, or more months late"
garygray says, "perhaps the question is how many members were sent renewals
that have not renewed!" MikeD-1 says, "Gary, there's a 2 month grace
period, so we can really only count the number of people who lapse beyond
that" MikeD-1 says, "and it's not unheard of for someone to renew after a
year or more" garygray says, "So how many are passed the 2 month time, If
you have that number!" MikeD-1 says, "the problem is that it's a dynamic
number, you would have to do a month to month comparison and I don't think
we're setup for that" kokhmmm says, "When I publish the two MMM Classic
tomes, I intend to send email to all, not just current members. Maybe that
will help." garygray says, "Peter, I think that could help us in indenfying
those who haven;t yet renewef!" dcarson-1 says, "from May 1 to now thre are
12 expiring members that I see" Scottyg-2 has arrived.
MikeD-1 says, "membership renewals tend to come in waves" garygray says,
"if no one has the 'time' to followuo, I would be willing to try to get the
12 to renew after 8/4!" Scottyg-1 has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to remove Scottyg-1. Scottyg-2 says, "Ok, sorry
folks. My primary internet connection turned flaky and I had to go to the
backup method." Scottyg-2 says, "I'm not sure how much of what I said got
through." MikeD-1 says, "last was: Scottyg-1 says, "Someone notified me
that Bobby Will's renewal was for two years, but his membership was only
updated by one year."" Scottyg-2 says, "I was addressing Bobby Will's
processing." Scottyg-2 says, "When I checked the records, I found that he
had paid for two years, but Team Director was only updated for one year."
saavik returns much later (sorry about that) saavik says, "let me catch up
on the log" Scottyg-2 says, "I also found that there was no payment record
made in Team Director." Scottyg-2 says, "So it looks like Missy may need
some additional training." Scottyg-2 says, "Also...."
Scottyg-2 says, "I have received a number of poster tubes in the mail that
were sent out to members." Greg-2 says, "They were sent back?"
Scottyg-2 says, "But there's no notice from the Post Office why they came
to me." saavik says, "ok, someone told john but I don't think he sent me
the new ballot yet" saavik says, "oh well"
Greg-2 says, "Maybe the post office is picking up on the return address in
the label?" saavik says, "ah ha - two new ballots! thanks scotty" Scottyg-2
says, "After scratching my head, I noticed that Missy isn't indicating
which address is the "TO" and which is the "FROM", so in some cases they
send it to me." kokhmmm says, "Amy, there is a lightning storm near John
and he signed off for the night" Greg-2 says, "Missy said that the post
office returns some packages because of 9/11 fears." Greg-2 says, "She
doesn't understand why, but now she takes everything directly to the post
office." Scottyg-2 says, "See above."
dcarson-1 says, "after the unibomber packages over a certain size have to
mailed at a postoffice" Greg-2 says, "Do they have Moon Society mailing
labels?" saavik says, "and to answer about greg's name missing - I haven't
noticed it on any of the return ballots" Scottyg-2 says, "Greg, no."
dcarson-1 says, "sometimes they don't enforce it" Greg-2 says, "(That's my
massive write-in campaign, but they were supposed to put Amy's name in
there.)" MikeD-1 says, "what's the postage on a renewal notification, the
one with the bumper sticker in it?" Scottyg-2 says, "Both addresses are
hand written on the tube." Greg-2 says, "Mike, 60 cents"
Greg-2 says, "Maybe mailing labels would help." MikeD-1 says, "ok, I have a
small suggstion regarding that later" Scottyg-2 says, "Simply writing "TO"
and "FROM" would help." saavik says, "ok, any other need for the elections
lady?" saavik says, "the pregnant elections lady is somewhat sleepy :-)"
Scottyg-2 says, "I honestly can't tell which address it is supposed to be
sent to." MikeD-1 says, "printed labels on tubes don't really speed things
up, they have to be sorted manually anyway" Scottyg-2 says, "My final
issue...."
kokhmmm says, "Okay, I'm tired after being up all night on a Greyhound, so
I'm turning in. Good night all! (from Atlanta)" Arthur says, "good night
Peter"
MikeD-1 says, "night Peter, night Amy"
Scottyg-2 says, "LRS has notified us that they have imposed a rate increase
and other changes for MMM." saavik says, "night"
Saavik notes that even full Vulcans need to sleep sometimes saavik has
disconnected.
Scottyg-2 says, "I insist that whatever arrangements we have with LRS be in
writing by updating the agreement we have." Scottyg-2 says, "I also need
BOD approval for the changes." kokhmmm says, "Yes, but that is for 10
months, not 12. PDF files are replacingt the two Review issues. That's to
keep the increase as modest as possible. Also, we are now using the mailing
permit of an agent which will save 150 a year or another 5 cents per issue
at present numbers." kokhmmm says, "Scotty, do you need it by snail mail? "
Scottyg-2 says, "Peter, I want us to revise the written agreement we have
to incorporate the change." kokhmmm says, "The check you sent for the July
Review issue we can hold and apply to August. " Scottyg-2 says, "But I
first want the BOD to accept the change. I'm only authorized to do what the
curreent agreement says." dcarson-1 says, "we should have a quorum"
Scottyg-2 says, "I'll summarize the proposed changes:" kokhmmm says, "I
have the breakdown on costs, but it is in Milwaukee, 800 miles away. We are
doing our best to minimize increases." Scottyg-2 says, "Per-issue cost for
US subscribers: $1.35." The housekeeper arrives to cart saavik off to bed.
Scottyg-2 says, "Add 0.80 for Canada,"
kokhmmm says, "But that is 10 times a year or $13.50 vs. $12.00
previously." Scottyg-2 says, "and 2.10 for all other foreign." MikeD-1
says, "$2.10 total or $1.35 + $2.10?" Scottyg-2 says, "Also, cease publish
the twice-per-year Moon Miner's Review and publish MMM 10 times per year."
Scottyg-2 says, "Both are adders Mike." MikeD-1 says, "so $3.45! Ouch!"
kokhmmm says, "Mike, I think that it is plus about a $1 give or take, i.e.
subtracting the domestic postage." Scottyg-2 says, "So - any discussion?"
dcarson-1 says, "not here"
Scottyg-2 says, "Mike, its why we are charging $60 per year for foreign."
kokhmmm says, "Actually, foreign postage is 2.40 plus printing costs, but
not plus domestic postage. We've been absorbing the overage for a long
time." MikeD-1 says, "yes I know, I just never thought about how much more
the shipping is on a per issue basis" kokhmmm says, "There is currently
only one overseas hardcopy sent out. Two Canadian, only one of which is
Moon Society" Scottyg-2 says, "Do we have enough people for a Board
meeting?" kokhmmm . o O ( so )
Greg-2 says, "We have me, Dana, Arthur, Randall, Michael" Greg-2 says, "and
Peter"
kokhmmm says, "me, Greg, Dana, Randall, Arthur" kokhmmm says, "Is Michael
here?"
Greg-2 says, "That's six out of seven, so if all those guys are awake yes."
Greg-2 says, "Oops."
MikeD-1 says, "no, Michael's in the commons" Greg-2 says, "Sorry, I did
@who"
Arthur says, "I'm awake :-)"
dcarson-1 waives notice
kokhmmm says, "waive notice"
Greg-2 says, "Greg waives notice, too." Greg-2 says, "(To be specific, we
are waiving the requirement for advance notice of Moon Society Board of
Directors meeting.)" Severy-5 waives notice
Greg-2 says, "That's 5. We have a quorum." Severy-5 says, "Thwap!"
Greg-2 says, "Was that a gavel, or violence?" Severy-5's gavel convenes a
board meeting of the Moon Society Scottyg-2 says, "Not sure if an
ex-officio member needs to waive notice, but JIC I waive notice." MikeD-1
says, "yes"
Greg-2 says, "Might swell."
Severy-5 says, "We need a motion..."
Greg-2 says, "I'll move that the Moon Society accept the Lunar Reclamation
Society's proposal for revised rates for Moon Miners Manifesto." Greg-2
says, "("
kokhmmm says, "Can Scotty make the motion?" Greg-2 says, "(And open the
motion to friendly amendments.)" Greg-2 says, "I guess officially Scotty
recommend a motion, and if two board members second it then we're covered
anyhow." Greg-2 says, "Or 'ex-oficiolly', so to speak. :)" kokhmmm says,
"second"
Greg-2 says, "Now for discusison... is that what we need, Scotty?" Greg-2
says, "I can't think of any good alternative plan." Scottyg-2 says, "Please
add...and that the treasurer is directed to update the agreement between
Moon Society and LRS regarding the newsletter." Greg-2 says, "Freindly
amendment accepted." Scottyg-2 says, "Or else I have to update it and bring
it back for approval." Greg-2 says, "Right."
Greg-2 says, "Any other revisions, amendments, corrections to the motion?"
Greg-2 says, "(Oops! That was Randall's line. I was just holding up a cue
card!)" Severy-5 says, "Any other revisions, amendments, corrections to the
motion? :-)" MikeD-1 says, "is there any way to modify the agreement so you
don't have to go thru this every time the cost of printing or postage goes
up?" Greg-2 says, "It doesn't happen often so I think we should stick with
the rigor." Scottyg-2 says, "We could do an amendment as a separate
document, but I have it in electronic form so updating it is a minor task."
Scottyg-2 says, "Trying to keep up with things with nothing but email
messages is poor practice. Best thing is to keep the agreement up to date."
Greg-2 says, "So, I'm happy with the motion as it is now: "that the Moon
Society accept the Lunar Reclamation Society's proposal for revised rates
for Moon Miners Manifesto and that the treasurer is directed to update the
agreement between Moon Society and LRS regarding the newsletter."" Greg-2
says, "What Scotty said."
dcarson-1 says, "aye"
Severy-5 says, "Ok, all in favor?"
Greg-2 says, "And we don't want the Moon Society to establish a precedent
of handing someone a blank check." Greg-2 says, "Aye"
Severy-5 says, "Aye"
kokhmmm says, "aye"
Scottyg-2 says, "No further discussion from here." Arthur says, "Aye"
Arthur says, "(sorry to be slow)"
MikeD-1 says, "there is a separate but not unrelated issue that I'd like to
mention" MikeD-1 says, "concerning renewal acknowledgements" Severy-5 says,
"The motion passes"
Severy-5 says, "Any other business to be brought before the board tonight?"
Greg-2 says, "While the board is meeting, I'd like to encourage everyone to
attend the first meeting in August. If all goes well, at that meeting we
can officially accept the report of the elections committee and turn over
the Society to the newly elected officers and board members." Greg-2 says,
"Can we schedule a specific board meeting for that?" Severy-5 says, "Works
for me"
kokhmmm says, "Is that 8/04?"
Arthur says, "Should be ok here"
kokhmmm says, "ok"
Greg-2 says, "Yes, August 4, 2004."
kokhmmm says, "Thanks, all. See you then. Have to disconnect" kokhmmm has
disconnected.
Greg-2 says, "So, for the board members present, that can stand as
receiving notice of an officialy scheduled board meeting! :)" Scottyg-2
says, "While the Board meeting is still in progress...." Scottyg-2 says,
"For the record, the new rates were..." Scottyg-2 says, "Per-issue cost for
US subscribers: $1.35." Scottyg-2 says, "Add 0.80 for Canada,"
Scottyg-2 says, "and add 2.10 for all other foreign." Arthur says, "Thanks,
yes"
Arthur says, "Wow, elections will actually be over soon - thanks guys :-)"
Arthur says, "Well, I've got some family stuff to take care of - goodnight
all!" MikeD-1 says, "Arthur, that's when you'll discover just how
impossible it is to escape!" Arthur says, ":-)"
Arthur says, "Still, I won't feel so guilty about not getting things done
:-)(" MikeD-1 says, "quick, someone chain him to the wall!" Scottyg-2 says,
"Nancy, would you ask Missy to fix Bobby Will's renewal and notify him?"
Arthur says, "'night"
Arthur leaves.
Nancy-1 says, "Sure, Scotty!"
The housekeeper arrives to cart kokhmmm off to bed. MikeD-1 says, "Scotty,
how many overseas members do we have these days?" MikeD-1 says, "ballpark"
Scottyg-2 says, "And ping her about the "TO" and "FROM" on the mailing
tubes." Nancy-1 says, "I already talked to her about that one." Scottyg-2
says, "I don't know offhand." Severy-5 says, "If we're done with the board
meeting, I move that we adjourn the board meeting" Severy-5 says, "Need a
second....."
MikeD-1 says, "just wondering if sending my receipt and bumper sticker in a
letter size envelope may not be the most cost effective at $1.65" Greg-2
says, "... tick... tick... tick..."" Scottyg-2 says, "Would you settle for
a third?" Severy-5 groans.
dcarson-1 says, "second"
Severy-5 says, "All in favor?"
Severy-5 says, "Aye"
Greg-2 says, "Duh... you wanted someone to second the motion." Greg-2 says,
"Aye"
dcarson-1 says, "aye"
Severy-5 says, "Hmm, what happens if the motion to adjourn never passes?
:-)" Scottyg-2 says, "I would have seconded but I don't think thats proper
for an ex-officio member." Severy-5 says, "I don't know if we have a quorum
left, but that's good enough, I think" Severy-5 says, "Thwap!"
Severy-5 says, "I hereby declare this board meeting at an end!" Scottyg-2
says, "I guess in that case we have a two-week long board meeting."
Severy-5 grins.
Severy-5 says, "Ok, back to our regularly scheduled Leadership Council
meeting..." Greg-2 says, "The chair can pass a motion to adjourn "without
objection" and without a vote." Severy-5 says, "Ahh, ok"
Severy-5 says, "That's good to know"
garygray says, "Good meeting. Goodnight everyone. See you in 2 weeks!"
garygray has disconnected.
Scottyg-2 says, "A personal comment....I've been having lots of problems
with my internet connection the last few weeks. I'm severly on their case
about it, but if I miss a meeting, that the reason why." Severy-5 says,
"I'm having a lot of internet connection problems as well :-(" MikeD-1 hmms.
MikeD-1 smells a black helicopter conspiracy Severy-5 says, "My
neighborhood wireless connection here at home has been pretty flaky lately,
they're looking into it" Scottyg-2 says, "Mine just stops routing traffic
intermittently. Sometimes its a few minutes and sometimes its unuseable for
two or three days. (like this past weekend.)" Severy-5 says, "And my
internet provider for the office was forced into Chapter 7 bankruptcy last
Friday, so I am scrambling to find a new provider :-(" Scottyg-2 says,
"Mine hasn't gone broke (yet), but he'll be losing lots of customers if he
doesn't get his act together." Scottyg-2 says, "Customer service has been
REALLY bad." The housekeeper arrives to cart garygray off to bed. Scottyg-2
says, "He was supposed to have someone out Thus, Fri, Mon, and today."
Scottyg-2 says, "No one has showed up yet or called to say they couldn't
make it." Scottyg-2 says, "I'm using my cell phone connection at the
moment." Greg-2 says, "Well, now you know how your ISP was able to offer
such great rates! :)" MikeD-1 says, "sounds like a buyout"
Scottyg-2 says, "Actually, the rates aren't particularly low...." Scottyg-2
says, "Comparable to DSL or cable." dcarson-1 says, "Verizon is starting to
ofer fiber to the home" dcarson-1 says, "10x cable speed for $35" MikeD-1
says, "10x cables speed?"
Scottyg-2 says, "Unfortunately, I'm with baby Bell." MikeD-1 says, "i
always got decent service from Earthlink" dcarson-1 says, "The high speed
internet service, dubbed Verizon Fios, brings speeds up to 30 Mbps to the
home. " MikeD-1 says, "I actually fail to see any normal requirement for
that kind of speed" Scottyg-2 says, "Mike, my problem is i'm too far out of
town to get DSL or two-way cable." Scottyg-2 says, "The only high speed
service available is wireless." MikeD-1 says, "you could look at sat, but
there's the latency to consider" dcarson-1 says, "I can get cable but I'm
too far for DSL" Scottyg-2 says, "30 Mbps = 5 channels of broadcast-quality
on-demand video." MikeD-1 says, "I can see why a TV station might have a
use for that, I really don't see a domestic application for it" Scottyg-2
says, "It will sell when the services to use it are available." MikeD-1
says, "Bars might like it though" Scottyg-2 says, "Or a couple of HDTV
channels." MikeD-1 says, "only 2 of them I'd guess" MikeD-1 says, "at most"
Scottyg-2 says, "Lots of people would use on-demand video." Scottyg-2 says,
"(Assuming it was competitive with renting a DVD)" MikeD-1 says, "hmm, i
suppose so, but are they really going to watch 5 channels at a time" Greg-2
says, "Yeah, on-demand video would be great!" MikeD-1 says, "but 2 channel
on-demand HDTV would probably sell quite well once the TV's get down to an
affordable price" MikeD-1 says, "Are they still charging $3k for an HDTV
set?" Scottyg-2 says, "Thats representative." Scottyg-2 says, "As soon as
the infrastructure exists to support it, on-demand video will take off."
Scottyg-2 says, "And that may spell doom for the existin paradigm of
advertiser-supported broadcasting." Scottyg-2 says, "And for services like
satellite TV." Scottyg-2 says, "Or cable."
Scottyg-2 says, "Why be stuck with their schedule?" dcarson-1 says, "also
more and more on DVD" dcarson-1 says, "they have straight to video movies,
wonder how long until someone does a straight to DVD series" Scottyg-2
says, "It will start with on-demand movies, but I'll bet that you'll soon
be able to dial up the "6-o'clock news" to watch at 8:00." Scottyg-2 says,
"Look how popular TIVO is." dcarson-1 says, "I think Comcast digital cable
has that to some extent already" dcarson-1 says, "I don't get that so I'm
not sure" dcarson-1 says, "I just have thebasic+ cable" Scottyg-2 says,
"I'll also bet that you'll soon be able to get two
versions....advertising-supported content for a low fee or commercial-free
for a highr fee." Scottyg-2 says, "Thats already available in the form of
pay-per-view for moviesw." Scottyg-2 says, "But before any of that will
fly, you have to have high bandwidth into the home." Scottyg-2 says, "Well,
its about bedtime." Scottyg-2 says, "G'nite!"
dcarson-1 says, "gnight"
Scottyg-2 has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to remove Scottyg-2.

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