-- Start log: Wednesday, November 3, 2004 9:24:45 pm ASI Meeting Server time --

kokhmmm says, "While we are waiting for the membership team to arrive, I'll
bring everyone up to date" kokhmmm says, "I sent the contact information
for the two winners of the India Moon Mission Contest to Scotty so that
they could be given memberships." Michael arrives.
Michael says, "hi guys"
john-r says, "Hi Michael"
kokhmmm says, "I saw one entry. Not a moon mission, but a philosophy of how
moon missions should be designed etc. Very good." Michael says, "was busy
getting a glass of wine.... first bottle had turned." garygray says, "Hi
Michael!"
kokhmmm says, "I think we will want to post this paper." kokhmmm says,
"Haven't seen the other one yet." Scottyg says, "Their memberships have
been entered into the registration system." john-r says, "i need to make a
tele call - brb" kokhmmm says, "Thanks, Scotty!"
john-r has disconnected.
kokhmmm says, "Well, we got a bit of publicity in India and Bangladesh over
this anyway." kokhmmm says, "And one of the winners is thanking us for the
opportunity to put together a paper that may get him a job in the space
field." kokhmmm says, "Meanwhile, I am ready to mail out letters inviting
about 13 people to join the Board of Advisors. This is only the first
round." john-r has connected.
john-r says, "back"
garygray says, "Peter you have been busy!" kokhmmm says, "I have learned
about one David Miller, at U of Oklahoma in Norman, whose current area of
interest in human robot synergy or teams. Very interested in contacting
him." kokhmmm says, "And I am a page and a half from finishing the November
MMM." Michael says, "peter rocks"
kokhmmm says, "Michael, thats what "Peter" means in Greek: rock " Michael
says, "hehe.... cool"
MikeD-1 says, "If only the rest of us could do even half as much between
us, we might actually get somewhere" kokhmmm says, "I have too many half
done things. I've got to streamline the way I work so I can get more done
in less time." kokhmmm says, "I have the advantage of being retired."
Severy-6 has arrived.
Michael says, "I'm probably doing as much, just not able to focus on the
society right now.... trying to make enough money that I can do crazy crap
like endow the societies...." Severy-6 says, "Evening folks! I'm still
settling in, so I will be distracted for a little while" MikeD-1 says, "I
have the disatvantage of having an aging mother and 2 to 3 daughters living
with me, I can't remember what day it is, never mind actally do anything"
kokhmmm says, "I have been been working on a chart of all the various
vectors of activity I want the Society to move in (projects, position
papers, hosting incubator workshops) and trying to identify Advisors so
that I have 2-4 covering each item, many more than one. That will help
build the BoA we need." john-r says, "Hi Randall"
kokhmmm says, "Now if I can get them to join, that will help with the
membership and the work load." kokhmmm says, "Hi, Randall!"
Michael says, "the LLC gets setup tomorrow and I give VeriSign notice on
teh 17th...." Michael says, "yay for me! "
Michael does a little dance....
kokhmmm says, "Yay for you!"
Michael says, "hmm.... wine works fast..." Scottyg says, "Peter, I have 7
letters from students asking for information "about the moon". Obviously a
class assignment." kokhmmm says, "Scotty, do we have a section on such info
on the Artemis site?" kokhmmm says, "We could add a list of web addresses
to that." Scottyg has disconnected.
kokhmmm has disconnected.
irs goes home.
Michael says, "boom...."
MikeD-1 says, "lol"
irs has arrived.
garygray says, "There goes to officers.!" garygray says, "to = two!"
john-r says, "can i go toooo?"
john-r says, "i use to have a bad connection, its no funnn" MikeD-1 says,
"tootoo?"
MikeD-1 says, "I used to have a bad connection, now I just timeout" kokhmmm
has connected.
kokhmmm says, "Am I reconnected?"
The housekeeper arrives to cart Scottyg off to bed. dcarson says, "no Peter
we don't see you :-)" garygray says, "It looks likw it, Peter!" kokhmmm
says, "AOL quit on me. Had to get that back, then my client quit on me."
Michael says, "someone go to rocketforge.org and tell me what you see...."
Michael says, "anything out of hte ordinary?" kokhmmm says, "I get a 404"
Michael says, "you do?"
Michael says, "doh!!!"
Michael says, "hmm....."
john-r says, "i get a not found screen" kokhmmm says, "
http://www.rocketforge.org/ no find" Michael says, "yep.... I didn't
uncomment the entry in named.local.conf" kokhmmm says, "Can't find that
domain"
MikeD-1 says, "that's why I never do anything to do with servers when I've
had even one glass of alcohol" Michael says, ";-)"
Scottyg has arrived.
MikeD-1 says, "I have to totally plastered first :-)" kokhmmm says, "Maybe
the domain name registration has expired" Michael says, "nope.... I'm
moving nameservers and forgot to update one of 'em...." MikeD-1 says, "eh,
Michael, has your Moon Society membership just lapsed by any chance?"
Michael says, "yes it has.... I suck"
MikeD-1 says, "I noticed you and someone else getting dropped from one of
the teams" MikeD-1 says, "The other being Jonathan Goff" MikeD-1 says,
"Unless he left the team leaders team of his own accord that is" Michael
says, "ok, try it again.... shoudl work now" kokhmmm says, "I get the main
page now." Michael says, "good..... kind of a olive drab green, right?"
MikeD-1 says, "ok, I think I've almost reached the point of calling email a
lost cause for all eternity" kokhmmm says, "Yes. sort of a greenish gray"
Michael says, "good.... not sure if I'm sticking to that theme but at least
the database is working and update....." MikeD-1 says, "the banner at the
top says somara.com so big that I thought I was somewhere else" Michael
says, "yep.... removing that in a minute...." Michael says, "moving the
wiki over now...." MikeD-1 says, "I'm not sure i like that olive drab color
scheme" Michael says, "I'll fiddle with it later..... gotta move things now
so I can avoid another $70 payment to the current host." garygray says,
"Peter Do we need to talk about anything specific tonight? Last night was a
long night!" MikeD-1 says, "do we even have a quorum?" kokhmmm says, "Gary,
yes it was. I was up until 3, up again at 6 and am bleary eyed." Michael is
having a meeting tomorrow with an Alabama space policy group about them
taking my CDSVN concept and runnign with it. MikeD-1 says, "what were you
guys up to, watching the election coverage?" garygray says, "I don't think
we need a quorium to discuss things!" MikeD-1 says, "true Gary, up to a
point" irs says, "I was up 'til 5... had to drive Mom to the airport. But
yeah, I was watching. I majored in Poli Sci, and love that stuff." garygray
says, ""Yea, and some of the dumbs commnets made>!" MikeD-1 says, "it is
fascinating isn't it" kokhmmm says, "I'll be sending everybody's snail
address to Chip and he should be sending everyone a copy of the DVD
documentary he has been working on. It is named Gaia Selene. So watch for
it. 90 minutes or so. Excellent." kokhmmm says, "MMM 180 November should
appear in a day or two (pdf file)" kokhmmm says, "Mike, got your mail. "
Scottyg says, "Peter, I have 7 letters from students asking for information
"about the moon". Obviously a class assignment." SJ has arrived.
MikeD-1 says, "I'll keep an eye out for it and if I can manage to get some
ink I'll even print it, I miss the hardcopy, I used to read it on the cable
car" SJ reads the meeting agenda
Scottyg says, "I don't have anything to send and I'm too busy to put
something together." john-r says, "Hi Steve"
Scottyg says, "If I drop them in the mail to you, can you handle it."
dcarson says, "hi Steve"
Scottyg says, "Hiya Steve!"
kokhmmm says, "Okay, Scotty"
MikeD-1 says, "we should actually have a predefined package that we send
out in cases like that, and more than one person should have sets of same"
kokhmmm says, "Good idea, Mike. Those inquiries come in every now and then,
always when you are too busy to answer them." dcarson says, "if its all one
calss how about sending them a poster?" garygray says, "And or have a page
at out Moon Society website!" MikeD-1 says, "nooooo"
MikeD-1 says, "that might require me having to think" kokhmmm says, "Yes,
Gary, at least with links to more pages." MikeD-1 says, "links are dodgy,
pages move and then you look like an idiot" kokhmmm says, "We already do
have a Moon Info link on the right hand side." garygray says, "Yes, Peter
there are various opportunities to have (get) more Moon related links!"
kokhmmm says, "http://www.moonsociety.org/2003-kb/mooninfo-01.html" MikeD-1
says, "ok, that's part of the main website isn't it, that's a John-R job
then :-)" kokhmmm says, "That was a close one, Mike!" MikeD-1 chuckles.
MikeD-1 says, "ok, it's after 3:30 am, can I sleep now, I have to be up
before sunset" MikeD-1 says, "the sun sets early here this time of year"
john-r says, "I have to sleep, its been a diff week" john-r says, "night
all"
john-r has disconnected.
kokhmmm says, "Actually that page does have a lot of info on it already."
kokhmmm says, "So we have to work on a brochure or booklet for snail mail
inquiries." Michael says, "county by county red v blue map is out" The
housekeeper arrives to cart john-r off to bed. Michael says, "
http://neonym.net/index.php?p=18" SJ nods. Though of course the info not
just CAN but SHOULD be basically the same, and should point to the pages.
garygray says, "Peter I try to put something yogerther in the next 2-3
weeks and mail it to you and anyone else, If it's useable, the we ahead of
the game. If not, we are still on square one.!" kokhmmm says, "Thanks Gary"
kokhmmm says, "I have some info flyers I could add to the packet" kokhmmm
says, "I'm going to turn in too, guys. Thanks, See you in two weeks"
kokhmmm has disconnected.
garygray says, "I think I also need to turn in. Good night all!" garygray
has disconnected.
SJ sighs. Not hitting on all cylinders today - lay down to rest my eyes,
and slept. Did I miss anything vital? dcarson says, "no, I think most
everyone else was tired also" dcarson says, "is your snail mail address up
to date in teamdir?" SJ says, "Probably. Hasn't changed in decades."
dcarson says, "kokhmmm: I'll be sending everybody's snail address to Chip
and he should be sending everyone a copy of the DVD documentary he has been
working on. It is named Gaia Selene. So watch for it. 90 minutes or so.
Excellent." dcarson says, "so you should get that in a while" SJ goes,
then...
SJ waves.
SJ has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to cart kokhmmm off to bed. The housekeeper arrives
to cart garygray off to bed. The housekeeper arrives to cart SJ off to bed.
irs has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to cart irs off to bed. Michael goes home.
MikeD-1 has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to remove MikeD-1. Scottyg has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to cart Scottyg off to bed. Severy-6 has
disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to remove Severy-6. dcarson has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to cart dcarson off to bed. DaveW-2 has
disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to remove DaveW-2. garygray has arrived.
dcarson arrives.
dcarson reads the meeting agenda
garygray says, "hi Dana. I don't think the agenda has been updated!"
dcarson says, "looked at the documentary that Chip sent" kokhmmm has
arrived.
garygray says, "what do you think of it?'" john-r arrives.
john-r says, "evening"
kokhmmm says, "evening, Johnm, Gary, Dana!" dcarson says, "factual error,
you can't put a rectenna in a city, there is minor longterm health
problems" garygray says, "Hi Peter & John!"
john-r says, "i will be distracted , for an hour, but will be cking in for
any voting" john-r says, "Hi Gary, Peter, Dana"
kokhmmm says, "Dana, I know that they believe you can do agriculture under
a rectenna" dcarson says, "and I think that any thought that if money
hadn't been spent on vietnam it would have been spent on space is wrong"
john-r says, "i got Chips DVD it seems very interesting" dcarson says,
"agriculture yes, people no" kokhmmm says, "John, if we have a quorum, I
will request ok for changes in chapter rules" kokhmmm says, "what about
agricultural workers? robots?" dcarson says, "IIRC the health problems are
things like years of exposure causes a higher cataract risk" kokhmmm says,
"Chip's DVD - he's looking for a name star with a recognizable voice to do
a voice over for the naration." dcarson says, "and if a rectenna is over
the whole area the leakage is even less, but not just on building roofs"
kokhmmm says, "Patrick Stewart would be good, but Tom Hanks would be a
natural." kokhmmm says, "No reason to put rectennas over cities anyway,
just somewhere within transmission distance (600 miles?) " kokhmmm says,
"Or on uninhabited desert islands powering plants to electolyze water and
ship power as liquid hydrogen." DaveW-2 arrives.
DaveW-2 says, "evening folks"
kokhmmm says, "Greetings, Dave"
garygray says, "Hi, Dave!"
Scottyg-1 has arrived.
garygray says, "Hi, Scotty!"
Scottyg-1 says, "Hi Gary!"
kokhmmm says, "Hi, Scotty"
Greg-1 arrives amidst thundering applause. Greg-1 says, "Oops! I lost track
of the time!" kokhmmm says, "Does anyone need me to email them the sponsor
contract formj with ISDC 05? So we can talk about filling in the blanks? Or
you can leave it up to me except for the $donation figure." garygray says,
"Hi Greg. We are waiting for other people and talking about Chips DVD!"
kokhmmm says, "Hi Greg"
Greg-1 says, "Evening, Gary, Peter."
Greg-1 says, "I'm sure you can fill in the blanks in the sponsorship form,
Peter. :)" Greg-1 says, "Erm... did you have a question about any part of
it?" Nancy arrives.
Greg-1 says, "Hi Nancy!"
garygray says, "Hekko, Nancy!"
Nancy says, "Hi everyone!"
kokhmmm says, "Not really, Greg. I suggest the same donation amount as for
the Mars Convention. I believe that was $100, or was it $150? Scotty will
remember." dcarson says, "remember I'm local to DC so if people need to
ship stuff for ISDC or want me to buy stuff let me know" Greg-1 says, "Oh!
Next year's ISDC will be in Washington, DC?" dcarson says, "yep"
Greg-1 says, "(That ought to show you how much I've been in touch!)" Greg-1
says, "I really need to rejoin NSS one of these days." dcarson says,
"weekend before Balticon, Balticon science programming is contacting the
ISDC speakers to see if we can get any" Scottyg-1 says, "We paid $100.00
for the Mars convention." Greg-1 says, "I'm sure we can afford a hunnert
bux to sponsor the ISDC. :)" kokhmmm says, "Okay, then I'll fill in the
blanks and have it in the mail tomorrow, copy to Scotty along with the
mailing address" kokhmmm says, "I have also been put in touch with
Settlement Track Chair and they are delighted to have us aboard." kokhmmm
says, "I'll be keeping everyone up to date on suggested and confirmed
programming that I can line up." garygray says, "That's great, Peter!"
garygray says, "I hope most of the settlement track won't just talk about
outposts!" kokhmmm says, "We have a number of people in easy reach of DC.
Hopefully, enough for a gettogether and meeting." kokhmmm says, "Gary, and
anyone else, if you have programming suggestions and speaker suggestions,
please do send them my way, contact info also." kokhmmm says, "I'll be
contacting Arthur also." MikeD-1 arrives.
kokhmmm says, "Hi, Mike!"
garygray says, "Okay, Peter. Noyjong offthe top of my head!" MikeD-1 says,
"moaning"
MikeD-1 says, "i mean morning"
garygray says, "Hi, Mike!"
kokhmmm says, "or both, moaning in the morning!" MikeD-1 says, "hello"
MikeD-1 says, "I was just about to go to bed" MikeD-1 reads the meeting
agenda
MikeD-1 says, "have we started yet?"
dcarson says, "yep"
kokhmmm says, "is the recorder on?"
Greg-1 says, "Did anyone turn on the recorder?" dcarson says, "yes, I think
it might be from last time" Greg-1 laughs.
garygray says, "No not yet!"
kokhmmm says, "It's already on, I checked" MikeD-1 says, "wouldn't it be
easier to hire a stenographer? :)" garygray says, "Okay, not sure who
turned it on!" MikeD-1 says, "it's been on for two weeks Gary" garygray
says, "By the way, Greg, how does one turn off the recorder!" MikeD-1 says,
"that's why it's still on" Greg-1 says, "I think the person who started it
needs to same something like 'recorder off'" MikeD-1 says, "the command is
stop recorder" Greg-1 says, "I had that backwards. It's "stop recorder""
Greg-1 says, "Yeah, what Mike said."
Severy-6 has arrived.
dcarson says, "might as well just stop it at the end and then split it into
2 logs" kokhmmm says, "Back to the ISDC 05 Sponsor Form - I took another
look at, and there are somne things we should talk about." garygray says,
"The same person or any authorized person!" MikeD-1 says, "while you were
talking off the top of your head Greg, I was looking it up" kokhmmm says,
"1) are we going to contribute a flyer or brochure for the registration
handout pack" Greg-1 says, "Mike, I'll bet you stop at gas stations to ask
directions, too. :)" kokhmmm says, "2) are we going to sponsor a
hospitality party" MikeD-1 says, "no Greg, I get stopped at gas stations
and asked directions" kokhmmm says, "3) do we have any audiovisual we can
bring and put at ISDC disposition." Greg-1 notes that the localized Severy
density has dramatically increased. Severy-6 says, "Good evening, everyone!
Please ignore me, however, as I will be severely distracted tonight.
Heading northward for a funeral tomorrow night, and a million and one
things to get done before then" Scottyg-1 hopes he doesn't reach critical
mass. kokhmmm says, "4) do we want to purchase an ad in the program book"
dcarson says, "1 a definit yes I'd think" MikeD-1 says, "uhoh, who died?"
Severy-6 says, "I won't be online for two days, so I'm making up for it,
Scotty :-)" Greg-1 says, "With respect 1, 2, and 3: I think that's a great
idea as long as it doesn't turn into an action item for me" Greg-1 says,
"And 4, too! :)"
Severy-6 says, "My girlfriend's father passed away on Monday" kokhmmm says,
"5) an ISDC approved advertisement of ISDC 05 to appear on our web page and
to be displayed by when" Greg-1 says, "And 5, too!"
dcarson says, "for 2 how much will it cost, if ISDC has taken care of
corkage so we can bring stuff in or do we have to pay hotel catering
prices" MikeD-1 says, "on of the last times they wanted a banner, they
never provided one that we could actually use" kokhmmm says, "I have no
audiovisual that it would be convenient for me to bring, so unless somebody
else will bring some, I'll just leave that blank." kokhmmm says, "I'll have
to find out ad rates for the program book and report back" kokhmmm says,
"Mike, I'll find out about a banner-ad" MikeD-1 says, "I've heard that
exact phrase before" kokhmmm says, "Not from me!"
MikeD-1 says, "but from someone else who also meant it" kokhmmm says, "Yah,
it's so easy to make too many commitments, even for a retired person, as I
have been finding out." kokhmmm says, "But my %age of action item
completion is high" MikeD-1 says, "I said he meant it, I never said it was
his fault he couldn't get it" kokhmmm says, "Okay, that's it on ISDC for
now" Arthur arrives.
MikeD-1 says, "hi Arthur"
Arthur says, "hi all - Chip's DVD arrived - looks very good!" garygray
says, "Hi, Arthur!"
MikeD-1 says, "I'm still waiting"
Greg-1 says, "Anybody want to hear the report of the Membership Services
Committee?" kokhmmm says, "Hello, Arthur. Just been talking about ISDC 05.
We're on the Program. I will be working with the Settlement Track chair.
You can send me any speaker contact info you have and program ideas."
Greg-1 says, "I receieved Chip's DVD. Haven't looked at it yet." kokhmmm
says, "Sure, Greg"
Nancy says, "Missy said there were 2 renewals, and 1 new subscription this
week." Arthur says, "Ok - settlement hmm. I can send you a spreadsheet of
people I guess." kokhmmm says, "Do look at it, the DVD is pretty good. We
need to discuss how we can (if we can) promote or advertise it, as it can
be purchased." Scottyg-1 says, "I have a mail-in that I haven't processed
yet." kokhmmm says, "Thanks, Arthur."
Greg-1 says, "I think the safest thing would be to have an article that
references it and tell people how to buy it in the footnotes." Greg-1 says,
"Since it's a commercial product not from the Moon Society, the IRS would
bob their eyebrows at much else." kokhmmm says, "One of the new advisors,
Dave Dunlap said he will send a check (I think to me - I'll forward it)"
Greg-1 says, "Oh goody! That's another way to get members! Give 'em a job
and make 'em pay for it! :)" kokhmmm says, "So far, only one other
consenting advisor is not already a member. I don't know if he will join or
not _ Madhu Thangavelu." Scottyg-1 says, "Its also permitted for us to sell
an item like the DVD as a fund-raising activity." Greg-1 says, "Good
thinking, Scotty."
kokhmmm says, "Yes, Greg, I do have ulterior motives, a lot of them!"
Greg-1 says, "Although I wouldn't want to sign up to do order fulfillment."
kokhmmm says, "Good, Scotty, because we do get a 10% cut of the sales."
Scottyg-1 says, "Me either."
Greg-1 says, "Peter, hey it works for Worldcon committees!" Greg-1 says,
"As I recall, the Chicon V worldcon committee members each paid $100 a
month for the privilege of working themselves into oblivion." kokhmmm says,
"Now we can do this by email, or on the website, in the newsletter, or all
3." MikeD-1 says, "does cafepress do DVDs?" Greg-1 says, "A 10% cut sounds
like just the ticket for us to make a really big deal about Chip's DVD."
Greg-1 says, "Peter, I'd say all three." Greg-1 says, "I'm sure Chip can
provide the ad content." Severy-6 has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to remove Severy-6. Greg-1 says, "Incidentally,
Three Cheers for Chip!" Arthur says, "Hip, hip hurray!"
kokhmmm says, "And, Greg, I do plan to work the advisors! I have a
preliminary plan for a first EZ, cheap, and valid Moon Base simulation for
6 people over 2 weeks at MDRS just about ready to run by them (and you guys
too) for input. This is running ahead of schedule." Greg-1 says, "Huzzah!
Huzzah!"
kokhmmm says, "Okay, I'll ask Chip for that." Greg-1 says, "That sounds
like fukn."
Greg-1 says, "fun."
Greg-1 says, "Not that I've had camping in the Utah desert among my life's
goals, but it still sounds like fun." Greg-1 says, "Maybe we could do a
mission control thing like they've been playing with in the Mars MOO."
kokhmmm says, "Also, to familiarize myself with MDRS and thereby do a
reality check on some of my simulation ideas, I have applied for a crew
assignment this season, I'm hoping in February. I was encouraged to do this
by the Mars people." garygray says, "That's great, Peter. Hope it works
out!" kokhmmm says, "Yes, Mission Control, except for the one annual NASA
exercise there, is done out of Denver by the Denver Mars Society Chapter. I
believe we have a potential Mission Control team already aka Moon Society
St. Louis." Arthur says, "They'd be great!"
kokhmmm says, "And I have suggested that the new India chapter find someone
to join the cres (and come up with an India sponsor for his plane fare, of
course.)" kokhmmm says, "I'll probably put out a preliminary call for a
show of interest in a crew slot." kokhmmm says, "Not sure we can get a crew
this season. I could ask now, worry about finding the sponsor for the
$7,000 rent later. " MikeD-1 says, "there has to be a better term than
'mission control' for our longterm purposes" Severy-6 has arrived.
Severy-6 suffered an unexplained severe PC malfunction kokhmmm says,
"That's the traditonal term mike, but you are right. Let's call it Mission
Support. MDRS also has a team of experts on call for remote assistance."
MikeD-1 says, "my actual concern is with the word mission, it implies a one
off event" garygray says, "Peter, whats the crew size rangw? Max and Min! "
kokhmmm says, "No, Mike. Each crew would be a mission. Just as in Appolo.
The Apollo 11 mission, the Apollo 13 Mission, etc. And I've found enough
stuff to simulate that we will indeed have follow on missions." MikeD-1
says, "though I suppose early on we will be doing missions such as building
infrastructure" Greg-1 says, "We aren't simulating a lunar city, though.
This is a little campground so the most we'll be simulating is a small
lunar base." Greg-1 says, "Yeah."
kokhmmm says, "Crew is usually 6, I believe capacity may be for one or two
more. Others would have to be housed in a motel or in tents. Small groups
are better. " garygray says, "Perhaps we could call mission control
something like operational support!" MikeD-1 says, "sounds like a computer
company" kokhmmm says, "Lets go with the terminology *everybody* uses and
is familiar with." MikeD-1 says, "I will concede that we will be doing
missions on each of at least the first 10 trips" Greg-1 says, "Hmmm...
Lunar Operations Support Team Simulating Our Unique Lunar Scenario. Yeah,
it was an interesting ring to it! :)" MikeD-1 says, "oh Greg"
kokhmmm says, "But here's one for you. Should we call our exercises (#1, 2,
etc,) MDRS Moon Mission #1, MDRS Lunar Crew #1, Moon over Utah #1, any
other ideas?" kokhmmm says, "We also get to design a patch/logo for each
crew." Greg-1 says, "That silly joke aside, I'm with Peter. The last thing
we want to do is lose the audience by trying to teach them a new
vocabulary." garygray says, "Greg. It's great Short for 'lost'!" Nancy has
disconnected.
MikeD-1 says, "there goes a lost soul now" kokhmmm says, "OOps, Did Nancy
have a report?" Greg-1 says, "Yes, she did. 2 renewals, 1 new. Plus 1 in
the queue on Scotty's desk." MikeD-1 says, "kinda quiet"
MikeD-1 says, "kind slow even"
Greg-1 says, "That's me! Slow and quiet! :)" MikeD-1 says, "in your dreams"
kokhmmm says, "Back to the Board of Advisors and recruiting new members.
Most of the names on my list of those still to be invited are not current
members. In general, we need to attract expertise, energy, talent to the
Society." Greg-1 says, "Well put, Peter."
Nancy arrives.
Arthur says, "Peter, I sent you my spreadsheet. Many of the names on there
are not current members, and could be..." kokhmmm says, "BTW, I invitged
Ian to the BoA as he is no longer on the Board and not an officer. But no
response as yet. Perhaps he needs a nudge. I'm building advisor teams. One
team will be publicity, media, publishing etc. And I have yet to hear from
Marianne, who I've also invited (with that team in mind)." kokhmmm says,
"Thanks, Arthur"
garygray says, "Arthur, about how many names on your spreadsheet?!" Arthur
says, "Hmm, a little under 50 I think." Arthur says, "People I invited
(mostly on moon-related topics) to ISDC 2004 last year" kokhmmm says, "How
many accepted?"
garygray says, "Ok, Peter if you want me to address and stuff the
enveoples, let me know.!" kokhmmm says, "Percentagewise"
Arthur says, "About 15% - there were more that initially accepted, but had
something come up, or family issues." kokhmmm says, "Thanks, gary, will let
you know." kokhmmm says, "I took care of 10 8th grade student inquiries
forwarded to me by Scotty. It seems clear that we need to put a second
mailing address (for information, not membership) on the webpage, pointing
to me so that I get things in a timely fashion. This instance involved a
2-3 week delay in response." Greg-1 says, "That shouldn't be difficult to
do, Peter." kokhmmm says, "Greg, does that mean it's your action item? :-)"
kokhmmm says, "Should go on the main page (?) or at least on the "about"
page" kokhmmm says, "And on the Moon Information page" Greg-1 says, "Um...
I would not be so presumptuous as to mess with someone else's web page,
Peter. :)" Scottyg-1 says, "I think it would also be helpful to publish
that information in an organized location on the website." Scottyg-1 says,
"Call it the "Library"" kokhmmm says, "Our contact page? (do we have one?)"
Greg-1 says, "What information are you thinking of, Scotty?" kokhmmm says,
"Scotty, are you talking about what I sent the kids, or about my mailing
address?" Scottyg-1 says, "What you sent the kids." dcarson says, "
http://moonsociety.org/about/contact.php3" john-r says, "
http://www.moonsociety.org/about/contact.php3" john-r says, "oops"
kokhmmm says, "John, I believe, did put together a Moon Information page
with a link in the right hand menu. I will be sending him additions for
that page." Scottyg-1 says, "The Artemis Data Book is a great collection of
material but probably a little too deep for this audience." kokhmmm says,
"And does the officers and board list still reflect the 2002-04 situation?"
kokhmmm says, "Do we have a quorum? If so I have something to discuss that
probably requires board action." john-r says, "The moon info page was done
by Arthur\" kokhmmm says, "Should I send the suggested improvements to
Arthur? I assume he still has access." Arthur says, "Access yes, time... ?
But you can include me, sure. I don't mind somebody else changing the page
at all!" john-r says, "Arthur is in this meeting" Greg-1 says, "Yup, the
Artemis Project site has always lacked for a summary tour of the whole
concept." john-r says, "((john-r is a bit sloww))" Greg-1 says, "Thinking
about either the Moon Society site or the Artemis Project site, the one
thing that I would be expecting to see there -- as a casual visitor -- is
some goshwow moon base stuff." Greg-1 says, "I'd want to be told a story
with cool illustrations and maybe even Flash graphics." kokhmmm says, "Back
to the Board question: We could quickly raise the number of chartered
chapters from 1 to maybe 5, if we cut the required number of members from 5
to 3. We now average only 3+ members per state. The rule of 5 puts a very
big recruiting burden on the local contact organizer, a discouraging
burden. I recommend this change. We need more real chapters." kokhmmm says,
"Greg, do you know someone capable of creating this goshow stuff?" Greg-1
says, "Peter, I guess I don't, because if I did, we'd already have it."
kokhmmm says, "We need a wish list so that we can be on the alert for such
talent." john-r says, "i am ok with 3 members"
MikeD-1 says, "what exactly is 'goshow stuff'?" dcarson says, "I'll second
the motion"
kokhmmm says, "do we need to convene the board?" Greg-1 says, "Mike: "gosh
wow""
MikeD-1 says, "I fully support a reduction in chapter requirements from 5
to 3 people" kokhmmm says, "Mike, I just used Greg's term as is." MikeD-1
says, "hey, I'm 75% asleep here" kokhmmm says, "Is the Chairman of the
Board present?" kokhmmm says, "If not, Greg could be acting chair" kokhmmm
says, "Silence! don't all speak at once." john-r says, "Randall is away"
kokhmmm says, "Greg, do you want to call the Board into session (if we have
a quota)?" Greg-1 says, "Let's see... do we have a quorum?" Greg-1 says,
"All the board members, please raise your hand. :)" Greg-1 says, "I'm here.
:)"
john-r says, "here"
dcarson says, "here"
Severy-6 is occasionally here
Greg-1 says, "OH, that's right; Peter is not on the board because he's
President now." dcarson says, "we've got 5 out of 7"
Greg-1 says, "Dana, I count 3 and a half, assuming Randall is the half."
Greg-1 says, "Greg, John, Dana, and Randall. Who am I missing?"
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| | john-r holds up a BIG sign: | yo Mike are ye awake? |

|_______________________| john-r says, "MikeD"
Michael arrives.
Michael says, "hi guys!"
dcarson says, "and another"
john-r says, "Now we have 6"
Greg-1 says, "In the nick of time!"
Michael says, "oh?"
Greg-1 says, "Hi Michael!"
john-r says, "just say yea, Michael :)" Michael says, "should I just say
"aye!" and assume whatever I'm voting for is a good thing?" garygray says,
"hi, Michael!"
john-r says, "yup"
Greg-1 says, "Michael, we were just now talking about convening a board
meeting so that we could discuss a change to the Bylaws to reduce the
number of members requred for a new chapter from 5 to 3." Michael just got
in from the airport so I'm a bit punchy.... Michael says, "sounds good to
me...."
Michael says, "aye!"
john-r says, "well, we do need to convine, then make a motion, then 2nd
then vote" Michael says, "aye, aye and 2nded and aye" Greg-1 says, "OK, it
sounds like we have a quorum." MikeD-1 says, "I'm here"
john-r says, "Greg , can we ask that you convine the board" Michael mumbles
something about "yay! DAQ is working! that means igniter fire tomorrow!"
Greg-1 says, "So, without object, I will convene a special meeting of the
Moon Society Board of Directors for the purpose of discussing Peter's
proposal to reduce the number of members required for a new chapter."
Greg-1 says, "Oops. "Without objection", too." Greg-1 says, "This would
require that board members who are present waive the requirement for prior
notice of the meeting." Greg-1 says, "Which I do."
MikeD-1 says, "I waive notice"
john-r says, "i waive notice"
Michael says, "waiving notice...."
dcarson says, "waive notice"
Greg-1 says, "We have a quorum of the board waiving notice, so the meeting
is convened. *gavel*" Michael says, "ow! that was my thumb!"
Greg-1 says, "Now, Peter proposed that we amend the Bylaws to reduce the
requirement for the number of members required to form a new chapter."
Greg-1 says, "Can someone make a motion to that effect? ("So moved" would
do it.)" MikeD-1 says, "so moved"
Michael says, "2nded"
john-r says, "Its not in the by laws, i just looked, its the chapter rules"
Greg-1 says, "Moved and seconded. Now we can officially deliberate the
motion! :)" john-r says, "
http://www.moonsociety.org/chapters/chapterRules.html" kokhmmm says, "Gary?"
john-r says, "but it takes a majority of the board to change the rules"
Greg-1 says, "John! Oh! I stand corrected and will accept that as a
friendly amendment to hte motion on Mike Delaney's behalf. :)" MikeD-1
says, "all my fault as usual I see" MikeD-1 says, "it's been all my fault
for 44 years, you'd think I'd be used to it by now" Greg-1 says, "I should
mention that I originally wrote the rules to require 5 because that seemed
to me to be the minimum number of folks who could form a stable
organization. I always thought the NSS 3-member chapters were kind of...
erm... not real." john-r says, "I male a motion to change pargrapage 1 of
the chapter rules, such that the min number of members to form a chapter is
3 (or can be worded diff)" john-r says, "i make"
Greg-1 says, "John, we can accept that as a friendly amendment to the
motion that's on the floor. :)" john-r says, "ahh"
john-r says, "ok"
MikeD-1 says, "apart from the male part" Greg-1 says, "So, given that
little whine from me, I'm not opposed to reducing it to three." john-r
says, "what Greg said on 5, makes sense, but... maybe 3 might allow a few
more to form - at least thats the goal" MikeD-1 says, "I'm sure it seemed
like a good idea at the time, but in hindsight I think it may have held us
back somewhat" Greg-1 says, "I think you're right, Mike." john-r says, "so
are we ready to vote?" dcarson says, "aye"
Greg-1 says, "We once had lots of folks willing to be a local contact."
Greg-1 says, "And many of those just blew away." Michael says, "aye"
MikeD-1 says, "we once had lots of folks" MikeD-1 says, "aye"
john-r says, "aye"
Greg-1 says, "aye"
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| |
john-r holds up a BIG sign: | Gary?? |

|________|
Greg-1 says, "That's five board members voting in favor of the motion."
Greg-1 says, "Any against?"
Greg-1 says, "Is Gary on the board? I thought he was an officer." MikeD-1
says, "he's the secretary"
kokhmmm says, "I stand corrected."
john-r says, "i heard and saw nothahh, thats right" MikeD-1 says, "he needs
to record it and send out notification" Greg-1 says, "Seeing no votes
against, the motion passes with 5 in favor and 2 members not voting. *gavel*"
kokhmmm says, "Thanks, much."
kokhmmm says, "I have one more question for the Leaders and possible board
action." Greg-1 says, "Now it's up to the Executive Branch to figure out
how to update the official documentation on the web site. :)" kokhmmm says,
"A chapter is forming in India." Greg-1 says, "Go for it, Peter."
MikeD-1 says, "Bay Area Moon Society can now be an official chapter"
kokhmmm says, "India is a place where there is great interest in the Moon.
They have a lunar orbiter mission to launch in 3 years" kokhmmm says,
"India has its own launch vehicles, and a substantial space program."
john-r says, "is http://www.moonsociety.org/about/contact.php3OK as i
changed it" kokhmmm says, "India is also a thirs world country where a
very, very small number of space enthusiasts will be able to afford $35"
MikeD-1 says, "um, that link didn't work John" john-r says, "
http://www.moonsociety.org/about/contact.php3" MikeD-1 says, "a very small
percentage of almost 1 billion" garygray has disconnected.
garygray has connected.
MikeD-1 says, "should this be announced on artemis list?" kokhmmm says,
"I'd like to allow chapters in third world countries to have two levels of
membership: officers must be Moon Society members, minimum of three. But
others can join at an associate level with lower dues rate set by chapters.
Question about right of such chapters to distribute copies of MMM
printouts." Greg-1 says, "Mike, certainly."
Greg-1 says, "Is the Yahoo group still alive? Someone could post a note
there, too." MikeD-1 says, "the Yahoo group is still functional, I'm not
sure I'd call it alive though" kokhmmm says, "So I'd like discussion on
that suggestion, counter-suggestions, whatever so long as we address the
problem now that we have a concrete instance." Greg-1 says, "I meant "being
used". We should keep it around just to prevent someone else from taking it
over. :)" john-r says, "there are 2 or 3 on yahoo who chat ever month or 2"
Greg-1 says, "Peter, I'm wondering if we should extend that to all
chapters." Scottyg-1 says, "Peter, what rights does associate membership
convey?" kokhmmm says, "Of course, if we leave the rules as is, they could
just do this on their own and not tell anyone. Free association rights
almost demand that." Greg-1 says, "We'd run the risk that a chapter could
turn into a maverick organization and split off on its own -- that happened
to the NSS -- but I think our lunar goals are best accomplished by robust
local organizations." Greg-1 says, "We could adopt a rule such that VOTING
members of a recognized local chapter must be members of the Moon Society."
Greg-1 says, "And other than that, local chapters may define their own
membership structure." kokhmmm says, "Scotty, that's what I was asking.
They perhaps should not have access to MMM, unless the chapter prints it
out for them. I don't know. To be discussed. They would be associate
members of the chapter, not of us." Greg-1 says, "My rationale about voting
members:" Greg-1 says, "1. The Moon Society officially recognizes the
officers of local chapters." kokhmmm says, "Greg, that sounds good to me.
Do you want to apply it just to chapters abroad, just to chapters in Third
World countries, or to all chapters?" Greg-1 says, "2. Therefore, only Moon
Society members should vote for those officers." Greg-1 says, "Peter I
would apply it to all chapters." kokhmmm says, "That sounds good. That will
certainly help student chapters also." Scottyg-1 says, "I would also
stipulate that associate members are not eligible to vote in Moon Society
elections." kokhmmm says, "Of course not, Scotty. They would be caught in
the membership check anyway." Scottyg-1 says, "I think Greg implied that in
what he said." Greg-1 says, "Another way to put it: I'd rather see two
hundred little organizations confederated under the common banner of the
Moon Society than one huge control-freaky organization." Scottyg-1 says,
"How about access to members-only areas?" Greg-1 says, "Or a third way: I
think we can shed a lot of the genetic heritage that the Moon Society
brought in from Artemis Society International. ASI needed that kind of
control-freaky behavior, but I think it's just holding back the Moon
Society." Greg-1 says, "I think only members should have access to
members-only areas." kokhmmm says, "Ditto, Scotty. Only members can get
teamdir usernames and passwords." Scottyg-1 says, "Ok, this fits together
then. I was worried about maintaining records, but I don't think any are
required. These associate members don't exist in our records as best I can
tell." Greg-1 says, "Scotty, I agree."
Greg-1 says, "Chapters can do what they want about having local members.
The Moon Society will only be responsible for Moon Society members."
Scottyg-1 says, "And in that case, I don't think any action is required."
kokhmmm has disconnected.
Greg-1 says, "And of course if we distribute anything on a per-capital
basis to chapters, that also would only be distributed by the number of
Moon Society members in the local chapter." Greg-1 says, "per-capita, too"
Greg-1 says, "Typos R Us"
Scottyg-1 says, "Been there, done that, have a misspelled t-shirt." Greg-1
says, "Do we still have the rule against local chapters charging local
dues?" Greg-1 says, "If so, I think we should snuff that rule, too."
Scottyg-1 says, "I'm not aware that we do." Greg-1 says, "ASI did have such
a rule. I think. Erm... aw darn, maybe I'm getting a little too sleepy to
think. :)" dcarson says, "not in the rules"
Scottyg-1 says, "We lost Peter, lets hold up a bit and see if he returns
since its his topic." dcarson says, "and I've updated the rules the three
from five" Greg-1 says, "Yea"
Greg-1 says, "Thanks, Dana!"
Greg-1 says, "Did you slip in a note that the rules were amended on 17
November 2004?" Greg-1 says, "Oughtta do that to make it look official."
Greg-1 says, "And so that we can dig out the transcript of this meeting
should we ever need to." MikeD-1 says, "do we use EST or UT for calculating
dates?" The housekeeper arrives to cart kokhmmm off to bed. Greg-1 says,
"Mike, yes we do."
Michael says, "f*cking script kiddies....." Greg-1 says, ":)"
Michael says, "rocketforge got defaced..... recovering....." MikeD-1 says,
"defaced?"
Michael says, "http://rocketforge.org/" Greg-1 says, "Maybe you should
strip HTML out of posts, Michael." Michael says, "apparently some
defacement contest is going on...." Michael says, "greg, huh? "
MikeD-1 says, "how did they do that?"
dcarson says, "its in the notes on why it was changed" Greg-1 says, "It
almost sounds like it should mean something in Esperanto: Simiens Crew
Enquanto hover fome guerra morte simiens existira " Michael says, "Mike,
PHP bug...."
MikeD-1 says, "ahh"
john-r says, "i need to sleep, niye all" john-r says, "nite to"
Greg-1 says, "I assume they got in by posting a script embedded in a
message on Rocketforge." john-r has disconnected.
garygray says, "It looks like Peter is not coming back!" Greg-1 says,
"There's a PHP command to strip HTML." Greg-1 says, "Gary, I fear you are
right." Michael says, "Greg, nope..... rocketforge already limits the HTML
that posts can use...." Michael says, "this is a bug internal to PHP
itself....." Greg-1 says, "Ack!"
Greg-1 says, "Well guys, shall we suspend further discussion for now?"
MikeD-1 says, "yup, i need to sleep"
Greg-1 says, "Peter is really a key player in the chapter rules." Greg-1
says, "OK, without objection, I'll declare the BoD meeting adjourned."
dcarson says, "sure, we did the one that was mentioned ahead of time"
Greg-1 says, "Seeing no objection, so ordered. *gavel*" garygray says,
"yes, for next meeting!" Greg-1 says, "Now for the Leadership Council
meeting..." Greg-1 says, "Any objection to adjourning?" MikeD-1 says,
"Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"
Greg-1 says, "Seeing none, so ordered. *gavel*" Greg-1 says, "And we are
adjourned."
Greg-1 says, "G'night, Mike! :)"
garygray says, "Good night, See you next meeting!" garygray has
disconnected.
MikeD-1 says, "now if only I can sleep with 4 computers running" Greg-1
says, "G'night, Gary! And everyone else. :)" Greg-1 says, "Just let the
sound of the fans gently lull you to slumber, Mike." dcarson goes home.
Nancy says, "Good night, everyone!"
MikeD-1 says, "the fans are ok, it's the scratchy sound of a reformatting
hard drive that's going to drive me nuts" Greg-1 says, "recorder off"

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