-- Start log: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 9:13:32 pm ASI Meeting Server time-- 
Strangelv leaves. Rose/Miros says, "started, it's start recorder"
PhilipC says, "Thank you all for attending" PhilipC says, "Welcome to the
2013 August 21 Board of Directors Meeting." PhilipC says, "I remind you
that this is NOT yet a Management Committee meeting. Only directors have
the power to vote on anything in this meeting. It will likely be short,
after which we will adjourn, and then commence with the management
committee." Lunadyne says, "FYI, Jim is on business and will not be able to
make this meeting." PhilipC says, "Thank you." PhilipC says, "For the
purpose of taking attendance, I would like all board members who are
present to please speak up at this time by stating your name and position."
PhilipC says, "Philip Crume, Chairman" Strangelv-2 says, "James Gholston,
secretary" bnault says, "Ben Nault, director" Scottyg says, "Scotty
Gammenthaler, Assistant Treasurer, non-voting ex-officio board member"
AlanSteinberg says, "Alan Steinberg, director" pjbanyai says, "Paul Banyai,
Vice President, ex-officio (non-voting) board member" Rose/Miros says,
"rosalie dieteman, webmaster and director unless we're having a recount"
Lunadyne says, "Ken Murphy, President, ex-officio (non-voting) board
member" PhilipC says, "As it stands, our newest member Jim Keravala sends
his regrets that he is unable to attend. This leaves 4 out of 5 board
members present, which consists of a quorum." PhilipC says, "Directing this
question to the board only, do you have any agenda items that you wish to
bring up at this time? " Strangelv-2 waits PhilipC says, "I would add that
there is only one item that absolutely must be placed on the agenda for
tonight and that is to put the chairmanship up for grabs." PhilipC says,
"Perhaps at a later time, we need to be explicit that the chairmanship must
be placed on the agenda for every August board meeting" PhilipC says, "Does
any board member here have any other items they would like to place on the
agenda?" PhilipC says, "If not, please say so" AlanSteinberg says, "not at
this time" pjbanyai says, "There is a kickstarter we may want to invest in
at
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1227572101/last-breath-a-comic-book-project-looking-to-reach."
Rose/Miros says, "strangelv would like the the bylaws and chapters on the
agenda" Scottyg says, "May I make a suggestion?" pjbanyai says, "It is a
comic book which takes place on the Moon." PhilipC says, "I think we can
hear James out." Rose/Miros says, "he sez he's muted" PhilipC says,
"Scotty, please do" Strangelv-2 looks at Scotty Scottyg says, "Relative to
selection of a Chairman, Article V, Section 2 of the Bylaws states:"
Scottyg says, "Section 2. Composition: The voting members of the Board of
Directors shall consist of 5 Board members elected by the general
membership. The Board of Directors shall select a Chairman from their
number by majority vote of the Board. To be eligible for election to the
Board of Directors, individuals must be regular or life members of the
Society at the time of the election and for an uninterrupted period of one
or more years prior to the election." PhilipC says, "Thank you for posting
that, I was going to do so myself" Scottyg says, "I suggest this me amended
such that ex-officio members may also be Chairman" Scottyg says, "Not being
a Board member, I can only suggest." PhilipC says, "That defeats the whole
purpose of having the chairmanship consist of board members. " Strangelv-2
finalyl finds the minutes PhilipC says, "But considering how we are
considering revising the bylaws to do away with the chairmanship, it
becomes a moot point" Scottyg says, "It has been common that we want the
President to be Chairman, but the Bylaws prohibit that." PhilipC says, "For
now, we have to follow the bylaws" PhilipC says, "I agree" PhilipC says,
"Moving on to the agenda then" PhilipC says, "On the selection of the
chairmanship." Strangelv-2: http://www2.moonsociety.org/node/133 PhilipC
says, "I hearby resign the chairmanship to make it available to any board
member here that truly wants it." PhilipC says, "I am of course willing to
serve again" AlanSteinberg says, "why are we even re-hashing this whole
Chairman discussion again?" PhilipC says, "But as of this instant, this
meeting is not being presided over until we select a new chairman" bnault
says, "I would like to nominate Philip Crume as Chairman of the BoD."
Rose/Miros nominates Lunadyne which is the whole point of this exercise
from what she can see pjbanyai says, "The main problem with the bylaws is
that wording concerning voting and non-voting members of the board is often
confusing. " Rose/Miros says, "now we want a hot campaigne here, including
smear tactics" Lunadyne says, "I'll accept the nomination." Rose/Miros
grins. Rose/Miros pokes at PhilipC. PhilipC says, "Ken is ineligible to
accpet" Strangelv-2 says, "Something that would be good to clarify.
Unfortunately, I have to agree with teh interpretation that Ken is not
eligible" PhilipC says, "sorry" Rose/Miros says, "accept your nomination
too, so we can vote" PhilipC says, "sorry"" PhilipC says, "I accept my
nomination" PhilipC says, "Is there a second?" Rose/Miros seconds philipc's
nomination. she wants some DIRT here Rose/Miros says, "who's eligible? i'll
nominate them instead" Lunadyne says, "Everyone knows that while I tend to
be a lot less structured than Philip in my chairing of meetings, I would
nevertheless argue that we're small enough and familiar enough that we can
handle my cowboy leadership and blatant disregard of decorum."
AlanSteinberg says, "Point of Information... No one answered my question"
PhilipC says, "Rose, Ben, Alan, Philip, and Jim are the only ones who are
eligible" Rose/Miros says, "because it hasn't reached the end of the
endless rehashing" Strangelv-2 says, "Directors are eligible, but Philip is
teh one least hesitant to serve in the position last I checked" PhilipC
says, "Alan, what was the question?" Rose/Miros says, "i'm not, i haven't
been a member for a year this time" Lunadyne says, "Nice way of phrasing it
James." PhilipC says, "Rose, not a member of the board, just a member"
Rose/Miros says, "or are we not counting the missing years?" AlanSteinberg
says, "why are we having this chairmanship discussion/election again,
especially when we will soon be considering bylaw revisions that gets rid
of it" PhilipC says, "Because we should choose a new chairman every year,
until the bylaws say otherwise" Strangelv-2 says, "We need a chair under
our current bylaws, and under several things we've been registering with"
PhilipC says, "That time happens to be right now" AlanSteinberg says, "i
would argue that our bylaws don't actually say that, but now I understand
where this is coming from" AlanSteinberg says, "second Philip's nomination
(if it hasn't been done so already)" PhilipC says, "I thought the
chairmanship would've been eliminated months ago but I don't mind being of
service" PhilipC says, "Other than myself, that's one nomination and two
seconds." PhilipC says, "Since this meeting technically isn't being
presided over, let's call the question" Rose/Miros says, "i'll nominate
lunadyne again, i want some Dirt, i had a crappy week or 8 days" PhilipC
says, "You might as well nominate Arnold Schwarzenneger for POTUS. "
Rose/Miros says, "but the dirt possibilities are endless on that one"
PhilipC says, "All in favor of choosing myself as chairman again, please
affirm by saying aye or nay" AlanSteinberg says, "okay... moving on please"
bnault says, "aye" AlanSteinberg says, "aye" PhilipC says, "I vote aye"
PhilipC says, "Rose?" Rose/Miros says, "aye" PhilipC says, "It is settled.
I am once again the chairman" PhilipC says, "Rose mentioned that James
wished to speak on the issue of the bylaws and chapters" PhilipC says,
"James, you have the floor" Strangelv-2 says, "WE also have minutes to
approve but first chapters" PhilipC says, "I remind you that this is a
board meeting and once this meeting adjourns, we'll commence with the
management committee meeting immediately afterwards" Strangelv-2 says,
"Peter Kokh and othersa re at work stoppage for adding NSS chapters to the
society" Strangelv-2 says, "Our chapter rules have some obstacles and
untder the current bylaws only this body, the obar,d can make the needed
changes, which means another three month delay at a minimum" Strangelv-2
says, "I propose a small edit to the bylaws to giv.e the management
committee the needed authority" Strangelv-2: Proposed motion: Bylaws,
article IV chapters, section 2, change FROM: Strangelv-2: The bylaws, acts,
and decisions of all chapters must be in accordance with the Moon Society's
Articles of Incorporation and these Bylaws, with any act of the Board of
Directors, and with "The Moon Society Chapter Rules" which document shall
be maintained by the Board of Directors. "The Moon Society Chapter Rules"
may be amended only by majority vote of the Board of Directors.
Strangelv-2: TO: Strangelv-2: The bylaws, acts, and decisions of all
chapters must be in accordance with the Moon Society's Articles of
Incorporation and these Bylaws, with any act of the Board of Directors, and
with "The Moon Society Chapter Rules" which document shall be maintained by
the Management Committee. Strangelv-2 says, "The last sentence is dropped
and the previous one is changed to point to the management committee"
Strangelv-2 says, "Does anyone wish to make a motion and start the
discussion?" PhilipC says, "hold please"" PhilipC says, "James, do you have
the minutes from the last board meeting?" Strangelv-2 says, "Yes"
Strangelv-2: http://www2.moonsociety.org/node/133 Strangelv-2
<http://www2.moonsociety.org/node/133Strangelv-2> says, "DOes anyone need
them to be emailed as well?" PhilipC says, "If you could" PhilipC says,
"While we're waiting to approve the minutes, would any director here like
to make a motion to support James's amendment?" Rose/Miros says, "ahem"
Strangelv-2 says, "sent" Rose/Miros says, "so moved" PhilipC says,
"Second?" pjbanyai says, "Note Amendment Procedure: The Bylaws may be
amended or repealed only by the following procedures which require a
two-thirds vote of the Board of Directors or a majority vote of the Board
of Directors followed by a majority vote of the eligible members of the
Society who vote. Notice, including the exact wording of any Bylaws
amendment to be considered, shall be sent in writing to the members of the
Board of Directors not less than forty (40) nor more than sixty (60) days
prior to any meeting at which such a Bylaws amendment is to be considered
and voted on by the Board of Directors. Mail votes on amendments shall be
conducted in accordance with the document "Rules for Mail Votes". A member
shall be eligible to vote on the proposed amendment only if continuously a
member during the entire month of the date of mailing of the issue of the
Society publication or mail communication used to present the amendment to
the members for purposes of a vote." Strangelv-2 says, "BOop. Okay, so this
won't work" bnault says, "Motion to amend the Bylaws as follows: article IV
chapters, section 2, change FROM:" bnault says, "Strangelv-2: The bylaws,
acts, and decisions of all chapters must be in accordance with the Moon
Society's Articles of Incorporation and these Bylaws, with any act of the
Board of Directors, and with "The Moon Society Chapter Rules" which
document shall be maintained by the Board of Directors. "The Moon Society
Chapter Rules" may be amended only by majority vote of the Board of
Directors. " bnault says, "TO:" bnault says, "The bylaws, acts, and
decisions of all chapters must be in accordance with the Moon Society's
Articles of Incorporation and these Bylaws, with any act of the Board of
Directors, and with "The Moon Society Chapter Rules" which document shall
be maintained by the Management Committee. " Scottyg says, "I'm not
convinced that the amendment is necessary since the bylaws provide
ellsewhere that all powers of the board may be exercised by the management
committee except those requiring a supermajority." Strangelv-2 says, "Could
we instead plan another board meeting at the earliest allowed date to make
changes to the chapter rules?" PhilipC says, "James, we're already planning
on doing that" pjbanyai says, "We can have a special email vote on an
amendment 40 days after the initial proposal." Strangelv-2 says, "The
bylaws make an exception in the case of the chapter rule,s though" PhilipC
says, "We want to make sure that the bylaws are revised in a way that makes
sense and that's for the good of the society" PhilipC says, "Standing rules
are not subject to the bylaws" Strangelv-2 says, "And I'm only wanting to
change the chapter rules to get something important out of work stoppage"
PhilipC says, "Note, we have a motion on the floor by Rose, is there a
second?" Strangelv-2 says, "But I don't have the exactl languag.e teeded to
fix the pcroblem at this time" bnault says, "second" Scottyg says, "James,
I don't see that exception." Strangelv-2 says, "The last paragraph"
Strangelv-2 says, "last sentence" Strangelv-2: "The Moon Society Chapter
Rules" may be amended only by majority vote of the Board of Directors.
Scottyg says, "That isn't an exception. The exceptions are listed in
Article VIII." PhilipC says, "Perhaps we can defer this matter to the
bylaws committee and the convene a special session of the board to resolve
this matter" PhilipC says, "Note, Ben second Rose's motion. Discussion...."
pjbanyai says, "The Board can change the rules at any time. However, we
need to have all these rules collected in one easy place so everyone can
review them. We have several rule which may not even be written down
anywhere." Scottyg says, "However, I also consider the proposed amendment
harmless." Rose/Miros says, "perhaps we need to enable peter to maybe
accidentally get some new members?" AlanSteinberg says, "I'm still not
clear why we need the change to increase our member numbers" Rose/Miros
says, "i promise to collect the rules in the leaders section of the website
if we pass this one, don't ask me how" Lunadyne says, "Speaking of
attracting new members, I have a comment about the Kickstarter campaign
Paul noted above. when the time is right." Strangelv-2 says, "Is the
kickstarted within the realm of the management committee or is there
somethinga bout it that the board needs to look at?" Lunadyne says, "Mgmt
Cttee, when we get to it." Strangelv-2 looks around PhilipC says, "We need
to make a decision here? Vote or defer?" Strangelv-2 looks at Paul and
Scotty PhilipC says, "Alan, Ben, or Rose, what say you?" Rose/Miros says,
"vote" bnault says, "vote also" PhilipC says, "Then the question is called.
All in favor of this motion say aye. All oppose nay" bnault says, "aye"
Rose/Miros says, "aye" PhilipC says, "Alan?" AlanSteinberg says, "I'm just
lost, so i'm keeping quiet" PhilipC says, "Should we take this as an
abstention?" AlanSteinberg says, "abstain" PhilipC says, "Since there's 4
directors present, I have to vote to break any potential tie. I vote aye."
PhilipC says, "The motion carries" PhilipC says, "The last item for the
board meeting here is that we need to approve the minutes for the last
board meeting. James just sent us the minutes. Please take a moment to read
them. After you've done so. Please say "read it"" AlanSteinberg says, "read
it" Rose/Miros says, "read it" Rose/Miros says, "correction, read it off
the website" Rose/Miros says, "and can we start organizing the agenda on
the website before the meeting starts instead of doing it at the beginnning
of the meeting" pjbanyai says, "The MC already has the ability to edit the
rules. This ammendment simply clarifies it. Send a copy to Jim for his
confirmation of notice and/or what his vote on the matter would be."
PhilipC says, "Would someone like to make a motion to approve the minutes?"
Rose/Miros says, "so moved" PhilipC says, "Second?" bnault says, "second"
PhilipC says, "Call the question" PhilipC says, "All in favor say aye,
opposed nay" AlanSteinberg says, "aye" bnault says, "aye" Rose/Miros says,
"aye" PhilipC says, "So moved." PhilipC says, "Seeing that this concludes
the agenda. Can I have a motion to adjourn?" AlanSteinberg says, "Move to
adjourn the board meeting" Rose/Miros says, "second" PhilipC says, "This
board meeting now stands adjourned" 
-- End log: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 10:09:22 pm ASI Meeting Server time -- 

-- Start log: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 10:11:21 pm ASI Meeting Server time -- 
PhilipC says, "Thank you" PhilipC says, "Welcome to the 2013 August
21 Management Committee Meeting. We spent the last hour on the board
meeting so we'll need to keep things short and to the point during this
meeting." Rose/Miros says, "hope that didn't somehow concatenate with an
old log, but i don't see how it could" PhilipC says, "For the purpose of
taking attendance, will all who are present please state your name and
position" PhilipC says, "Philip Crume, Chairman" Lunadyne says, "Ken
Murphy, President" AlanSteinberg says, "Alan Steinberg, Director"
Strangelv-2 says, "James Gholston, secretary" bnault says, "Ben Nault,
Director" Rose/Miros says, "Rosalie Dieteman, webmaster and director"
pjbanyai says, "Can someon please use the following to add new admins to
the recorder? : @ADD-ADMIN: Add a user to the authorized user list for a
restricted recorder. Example: @add-admin john to recorder" Strangelv-2
says, "It might be requiring a programmer bit" pjbanyai says, "Paul Banyai,
Vice President" Strangelv-2 says, "The person who can change that isn't
back home yet" Rose/Miros says, "has to be the owner" PhilipC says, "I
believe that all elected management committee members are present" PhilipC
says, "Except for Dana and Jim" PhilipC says, "Note that we have quorum for
this meeting" bnault says, "But I need to run soon..." PhilipC says, "Thank
you for letting us know" Strangelv-2 says, "We should still have quorum if
you have to take off before Dana arrives" PhilipC says, "Let's start with
the approval of the August 14 management committee minutes. James sent us
an email earlier today. Please take a moment to read through it"
AlanSteinberg says, "move to approve the minutes of the last management
committee meeting" PhilipC says, "Any second?" bnault says, "second"
Rose/Miros says, "second" PhilipC says, "Ben seconds" Strangelv-2:
http://www2.moonsociety.org/node/132 Lunadyne says, "I'll second too."
PhilipC says, "If there's no objection, let's call the question. All in
favor say aye. All opposed nay." AlanSteinberg says, "aye" bnault says,
"aye" pjbanyai says, "aye" Rose/Miros says, "aye" PhilipC says, "Ken, what
say you?" Lunadyne says, "Aye" PhilipC says, "James, if you abstain, please
say so" Strangelv-2 says, "Abstain" PhilipC says, "abstain" PhilipC says,
"The motion carries" PhilipC says, "I now open the floor for 2 minutes to
discuss the agenda" PhilipC says, "I remind you that we only have about 40
minutes unless someone wishes to extend for time" Lunadyne says, "I have a
comment about the Kickstarter campaign Paul noted, as well as a special
request for the town hall." Strangelv-2 wishes to make a plea for site
updates, but that could fall under web site report and discussion PhilipC
says, "Are there any items for which a decision needs to be made?" PhilipC
says, "Ben mentioned earlier that he needs to leave early tonight"
Strangelv-2 knows of nothing that could be put up fora quick vote Lunadyne
says, "Is it possible to publish from updates to Facebook, or vice-versa?"
PhilipC says, "This looks like everything then" PhilipC says, "Ken, let's
save that for the web report" Strangelv-2 says, "There may be a solution
for tht, but I don't know of one" PhilipC says, "Let's get started then"
Strangelv-2 says, "It proably would involeve a Drupal module as itn has
more modules than anything else last I checked" PhilipC says, "Starting
with reports, Ken do you have a membership committee report for us?"
Strangelv-2 looks at Phil Strangelv-2 looks at Ken Lunadyne says,
"Membership is flat at 158." bnault says, "Need to run...thank you! "
bnault has disconnected. PhilipC says, "Any discussion?" AlanSteinberg
says, "nope, lets move on" PhilipC says, "Hearing none. Let's move on"
PhilipC says, "Is Scotty around?" PhilipC says, "my inquiry of those
present indicates that he's been AFK for 29 minutes" PhilipC says, "I'll
take that as a no" PhilipC says, "On to the Web site Report. Rose do you
have anything to report?" pjbanyai says, "Could we resend the automatic
reminder about membership renewal to every expired member?" Rose/Miros
says, "good idea, i'll add that to my list" Strangelv-2 notes that Scotty
may be the most important person for the web report Rose/Miros says, "well,
we have requested new front page stuff from officers, would be nice if we
got some participation" pjbanyai says, "We recieved at least one election
email from an expired member who did not realize she was expired." Scottyg
says, "I'm here." Rose/Miros says, "yes, we need to copy and paste a lot of
stuff, more hands would make lighter work" Rose/Miros says, "and james and
scotty and mike and I are unlikely to grow more hands at our ages" Lunadyne
says, "I admit I need to do more in this regard." Strangelv-2 says, "WE
need to port content to the new site, we need regular announcements, we
need more items for the spotlight column" Rose/Miros says, "scotty, can we
do the resend thing? i'll turn the report over to you now, if that's ok"
AlanSteinberg says, "can we also still do some of the clean up that we
talked about at the town hall?" Strangelv-2 says, "And two of the three
people doing the work have unhealthy spouses, unfortunately" The
housekeeper arrives to cart bnault off to bed. Rose/Miros says, "and the
other isn't very steady on his pins either" PhilipC says, "I admit that I
too need to do more here" Strangelv-2 says, "Could we get a summary of what
was discussed at last week's accidental meeting? I've been in need of
feedback for months and when it finally happens I was'nt there for most of
it and nobody has a log of it" PhilipC says, "Let's limit discussion on
this topic for 10 minutes. If we need more time, we can extend for an
additional 5 minutes." Scottyg says, "Rose, I don't understand "the resend
thing"." Strangelv-2 suspects the resend thing is a membership action item,
not a web action item Lunadyne says, "I would like to trim down the front
page a bit more. Can we limit it to one spotlight item?" Rose/Miros says,
"pj asked if we could resend the automatic reminder about membership
renewal to every expired member" pjbanyai says, "I had asked if it was
possible to resend the automatic reminder about membership renewal to every
expired member?" Scottyg says, "Maybe not without doing a new tool."
AlanSteinberg says, "Can we move the "submitted by" to the bottom of things
rather than the top? And ideally make it less flashy." Scottyg says, "But a
fairly simple php script." Rose/Miros votes for less flashy too Strangelv-2
says, "What would be a way to make it less flashy? I was trying ot make it
consistent" Strangelv-2 says, "MAke it a contentbox itstead of a headline
box?" Rose/Miros says, "make it matte rather than reflective" Rose/Miros
says, "gotta do med stuff" Lunadyne says, "I'd like to limit the updates to
just the headline. Have it as a single line scrolling feed." PhilipC says,
"I plan to take a php class this fall. hopefully i can be a lot more useful
later" AlanSteinberg says, "well ideally i don't think we need the
submitted by at all" AlanSteinberg says, "if we can just get rid of it,
that would be better" Strangelv-2 says, "But that change, like others is
something that needs to wait for eval.moonsociety.org so I'm not breaking
the production site whetn I mess up" Strangelv-2 says, "Getting rid of it
might be a possibility, or at least hidingi t in some contexts."
Strangelv-2 says, "Most of the PHP has already been done, though"
Strangelv-2 says, "It's Drupal modules and backend server stuff for most or
the remwaining action items" pjbanyai says, "There is a way to send an
email in Teamdir to a particular team. It includes several templates
including the renewal notice. Could we set up a new team automatically
containing expired members only? " Strangelv-2 says, "Some CSS tweaks, but
I could do those in less time than it would take to brink someone up to
speed on what I've done" Strangelv-2 says, "At least, once
eval.moonsociety.org is up" AlanSteinberg says, "ok, I feel like the
webteam has direction and we can move on and expect an update at the next
meeting, right?" Strangelv-2 says, "Some things require the eval site, some
things need to get the hardcoded links hunted down and replaced, then we
need redirects so that we don't kill our pagerank with hundreds of broken
links once we move the regacy site" PhilipC says, "2 minutes left"
Strangelv-2 says, "I'm at work stoppage. Scotty, what are you struggling
with that you could use some help with?" Scottyg says, "Fixing links in
about 1100 files." Strangelv-2 says, "What is the entry point for helping
with that?" Scottyg says, "I have alist of files that potentially have
problems. We just need to divide it up." Strangelv-2 looks for volunteers
Lunadyne says, "What are these files?" Strangelv-2 looks at Ken, Philip,
Alan, and Paul PhilipC says, "We need to start wrapping up this
conversation, unless someone wants to extend for another 5 minutes"
Strangelv-2 says, "Move to extent for three minutes?" Scottyg says, "Web
files on the old website that have links hardcoded to www.moonsociety.org.
If we change the site URL, none of the links will work." PhilipC says, "I
can do some of the files, I just need to make sure that I have the right
tools for the job" AlanSteinberg says, "I can't think of 1100 things on the
old site that we need..." PhilipC says, "Dreamweaver allowed me to easily
readjust links before" PhilipC says, "Good point" Scottyg says, "I've just
been using the WSD online editor." PhilipC says, "Online editors are
limited. But my copy of Dreamweaver is practically a legacy application at
this point" Strangelv-2 says, "That sounds too time consuming" PhilipC
says, "Scotty, perhaps you could focus on a few priority pages we can port
over? " Strangelv-2 says, "That's a different action item" Lunadyne says,
"I'm trying to envision how we have 1100 web files. Are these individual
pages?" Strangelv-2 says, "This is modifying the legacy site to put it in a
new location" Strangelv-2 says, "Cotpying stuff to the new site is a
different action item" Strangelv-2 says, "As has been said here before,
it's a plocess, not an event" Strangelv-2 is still tihnking in terms of a
shell script and a regular expression Scottyg says, "Philip, it isn't about
porting. Its about the old site remaining functional after we change its
web address." Rose/Miros says, "we ain't using dreamweaver. we're either
doing it by hand or with web site director" PhilipC says, "Aren't all links
based on a home folder?" Rose/Miros says, "by hand=by script" Rose/Miros
says, "no, that site has had too many hands and too many editors working on
it" Strangelv-2 says, "A very large percentage of the links on the legacy
site are in the form of http://moonsociety.org/blah" Scottyg says, "Ken,
yes - individual files. Some are "dead stuff - nothing links to them - but
its easier to fix them than figure out which are active." PhilipC says,
"Maybe we can save ourselves a lot of time by going through original HTML
files and cutting out all of that" Strangelv-2 says, "At some point the
maintenance ceased to be Web 2.0 and became ... I lack a good term" PhilipC
says, "I get the idea" Scottyg says, "That's what I'm working on."
Rose/Miros says, "became editor's choice" Strangelv-2 says, "I'd really
like the hand editing time to be used for porting content to Drupal"
Lunadyne says, "Can you circulate the address for these files?" Scottyg
says, "Most of it is from using dumb WYSIWYG HTML editors." PhilipC says,
"Scotty, let's talk more about this later. Send me an email on when would
be a good time to come back here in MOO to talk about this." Strangelv-2
says, "And do the bulk with the legacy site with as much automation as
possible" PhilipC says, "We're out of time on this topic" Strangelv-2 makes
to further effort to extend time Strangelv-2 says, "no" Rose/Miros says,
"if we decide something is dead, you know a week later (or whatever)
someone will want it, so no ignoring stuff" pjbanyai says, "WSD can print a
report of orphaned links." PhilipC says, "No, we really need to wrap up
this discussion. We have another agenda item." Strangelv-2 makes no further
effort to extend time Rose/Miros says, "anyhow, volunteers come to the moo,
james can thwap me" PhilipC says, "Scotty, please send me an email. I'll do
what I can to help" Lunadyne says, "Ditto" PhilipC says, "Or Rose, which
ever of you has the information" PhilipC says, "Moving on" PhilipC says,
"Ken, you have the floor" Lunadyne says, "Okay first, just a quick note on
the Kickstarter campaign that Paul mentioned earlier." Lunadyne says, "
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1227572101/last-breath-a-comic-book-project-looking-to-reach"
Lunadyne says, "If you look down the rewards, you can see at the bottom
that for $250 we can get the inside back cover for an ad." AlanSteinberg
says, "so with 125 backers, we would be paying $2 a copy for people to
MAYBE see our ad?" Strangelv-2 says, "plus others who buy it, but a minimum
of 250" Lunadyne says, "They're likely to make more than 125 copies.
Womanthology went on to become a big hit." Strangelv-2 says, "minimum of
125. 'scuse me." Strangelv-2 says, "125 pretty high value sets of eyeballs"
Strangelv-2 is suddenly a lot more interested Strangelv-2 says, "Plus
everyone else" Strangelv-2 says, "Should we procede to a motion?"
Strangelv-2 would prefer one of the people who looked into this make it and
is too sleepy to trust himself with the motion language AlanSteinberg says,
"i'll vote no as it stands now... if we are serious about wanting to work
with them on this, lets talk to them" Lunadyne says, "I'd prefer more
discussion. Alan brings up a good point. They don't indicate how many
copies will be printed." Strangelv-2 says, "Hom wuch time do we have to
decide?" Lunadyne says, "The campaign closes in seven days." PhilipC says,
"I'm leaning towards no too" Lunadyne says, "We do know they've made their
goal, so the comic -should- be produced." Strangelv-2 says, "So the motion
might need a conditional" Strangelv-2 says, "How many copies do we want to
consider this worthwhile?" Rose/Miros says, "if it's print on demand, they
know how many backers will get copies, but they don't know how many more"
AlanSteinberg says, "what about having someone contact them, leaning
towards Ken... and perhaps if we could get more bang for our buck" Lunadyne
says, "I'll see what I can do." AlanSteinberg says, "maybe for $250 we get
the ad space (since no one else is jumping at it) and we get to push PDF
copies to our members" PhilipC says, "The only question I'd ask is to we
want to be associated with a comic that depicts someone dying on the moon?"
Strangelv-2 says, "X copies or print on demand for a minimum duration of
Y?" Lunadyne says, "Likes Alan's idea of getting it to our members."
Strangelv-2 says, "That was my original misgiving as well, but we're not
sponsoring it, just putting an ad in it" PhilipC says, "It's the same
thing" Strangelv-2 says, "Or maybe we are. I'd have to read it first"
Lunadyne says, "Philip, it is potentially risky, but at least shows we
aren't rosie-eyed space cadets." AlanSteinberg says, "I don't see a problem
with "partnering" in whatever way... people dying in the moon isn't a bad
thing to be associated with persay. It still brings attention and focus to
the moon which is our general mision" AlanSteinberg says, "mission" PhilipC
says, "We're not, but the public still is" Strangelv-2 says, "How many hard
copies do we want if it's a print run and howv long do we want the ad if
it's prlint on demanfd?" Strangelv-2 says, "For the ad, I mean" Rose/Miros
says, "someone died on the moon in the tv show, what was the name?"
Strangelv-2 says, "grabbinga bunch of copies would be a different question
and I'll let someone else ask it" PhilipC says, "We still have to present
the rosy-eyed image if we want to draw in mr joe average" Lunadyne says,
"I'll get in touch with them." AlanSteinberg says, "I say, reach out to
them, get more info... see if they are interested in the dialoge even"
Strangelv-2 says, "The violation of rosie-eyed members is a concern to me,
but not if we're just placing a back cover ad" Lunadyne says, "Next item: I
was contacted by Ron at Innovate our World -
http://www.innovateourworld.org/" Strangelv-2 says, "But we don't have two
weeks. We need a motion to authorize something now, I believe -- thus my
idea of conditionals" AlanSteinberg says, "I don't think putting an ad in
the back cover and offering it to our members is going to hurt our
organization or membership" AlanSteinberg says, "I move to authorize up to
$250 to be spent at Ken's discresssion towards this project" Lunadyne says,
"He'd like some time at our town hall to address the membership about his
Moon Mission Challenge." PhilipC says, "We're a little past time for this
meeting. " PhilipC says, "We have a motion on the floor" AlanSteinberg
says, ""this project" being the comic" PhilipC says, "by Alan" Strangelv-2
says, "Are we allowed to change the agenda after offically posting it, not
that I'm sure anyone has seen it?" Rose/Miros says, "second" PhilipC says,
"Rose seconds. Any further discussion?"" Strangelv-2 looks at the ken's
discretion and decides that works Strangelv-2 says, "Call the question"
Rose/Miros says, "aye" Strangelv-2 says, "I need a better description of
the motion, though" PhilipC says, "All in favor of Alan's motion to
authorize upt to $250 to be spent at Ken's discretion towards this project,
vote aye. All opposed nay" Rose/Miros pokes at Strangelv-2. Rose/Miros
says, "vote already" pjbanyai says, "aye" PhilipC says, "This project...
towards the kickstarter comic book project"" AlanSteinberg says, "aye"
Rose/Miros says, "aye, in case i voted too early" Strangelv-2 says, "Aye,
but give me a moment to edit this" Lunadyne says, "Abstain." AlanSteinberg
says, "okay Ken, we are trusting your judgement on this :)" PhilipC says,
"The motion passes" PhilipC says, "Are there any other motions on the
floor?" Strangelv-2: Alan Steinberg moved to authorize up to $250 to be
spent at Ken's discresssion towards the Last Breath kickstarter comic book
project Strangelv-2 says, "DOes that language work for everyone?"
Rose/Miros says, "yep" Lunadyne says, "Grammar edit: discretion" Rose/Miros
says, "ok, ron at innovate our world wants to talk at the town hall"
Strangelv-2 says, "Thakn you focr tactching that" PhilipC says, "There
doesn't seem to be anything else on the agenda." pjbanyai says, "Motion to
have dinner and retire for the Night:-)" Rose/Miros says, "i think a guest
speaker is a good idea" dcarson arrives. PhilipC says, "Can I have a motion
to adjourn at this time?" Strangelv-2 says, "Hello. You've effectively
missed the meeting" Rose/Miros ate her sandwich during the meeting, didn't
you see her chewing? Strangelv-2 says, "Paul gave one but there isn't a
second" Lunadyne says, "I'd like him to have 5-10 minutes to present his
project." Strangelv-2 says, "ANd Ken is still wanting something" Rose/Miros
moves to have guest speakers and ADVERTISE Rose/Miros says, " grin"
Lunadyne says, "He is looking for help, but hasn't been clear on exactly
how he wants us to help." Rose/Miros grins. dcarson says, "had company that
we hadn't seen in almost 15 years, just got back from dropping her back to
her daughters" PhilipC says, "Is someone willing to second Paul's motion to
adjourn?" Rose/Miros says, "nope" Strangelv-2 needsa summary of what Ken is
discussing as he's too asleep to parse it together Lunadyne says, "My goals
are to describe the Moon Mission Challenge and ask for support in finding
schools to participate, having Moon Society members become mentors to
school teams, and mention our ongoing crowdfunding campaign to realize this
challenge. I'll also focus on the game-like platform we're using for
students to learn about the Moon that could be used by future Moon Society
educational initiatives. I can supply some information that can be made
available to the membership, pre-approved by you/BoD of course. I assume
this presentation can be done via phone, Skype or similar means? I think
15-20 minutes is adequate if you have that kind of time slot." Lunadyne
says, "That was from Ron's e-mail." Lunadyne says, "I think the MOO will be
a bit of a surprise to him." AlanSteinberg says, "ken, why not encourage
him to put together a short video and we can push it to our members via
e-mail and/or post it on our website" Lunadyne says, "We can discuss this
more at the Sept. 4 meeting." PhilipC says, "Ken, let's test market that
with a sample case first before we roll it out to the whole society"
Lunadyne says, "Alan, I'll see if he has something along those lines."
AlanSteinberg says, "It woould probably be more efficient for all involed
that way" Strangelv-2 is assuming he was assuming that the annual meeting
was at a physical location withi n person attendees Rose/Miros says, "and
we keep using the moo because it's the best of the bad alternatives"
Rose/Miros says, "wonder if we have a drupal plug in for meetings"
Rose/Miros puts that on her list Strangelv-2 suspects it would also have
problems that would make it inferior to the MOO PhilipC says, "If not, once
I master PHP/MySQL, I'll work on it" Lunadyne says, "The ISDC folks were
using a nice conference call program that could handle scores of callers."
Strangelv-2 tries to visualisze 'nice' and 'conference call' in the same
sentence pjbanyai says, "Apache wave could do the meeting. " PhilipC says,
"If I may suggest, let's adjourn now so that any one who has to go can be
free to do so while those who wish to continue this conversation can also
do so" Strangelv-2 says, "Move to adjourn" AlanSteinberg says, "second"
Rose/Miros says, "second" Strangelv-2 wonders if there's a second this time
Rose/Miros says, "call the question?" PhilipC says, "Alan seconds Paul's
motion to adjourn. We are now adjourned at this time" Strangelv-2 says,
"not-debatabel motion -- must procede to a vote" PhilipC says, "Any one who
wishes to leave is now free to do so. Thank you for attending!" Strangelv-2
says, "or pass without objection" Strangelv-2 says, "Which is what I'll
assume has happened" PhilipC says, "Adjournments don't require votes" --
End log: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 11:17:02 pm ASI Meeting Server time --