-- Start log: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 9:03:11 pm ASI Meeting Server time-- 

saavik says, "Thanks :-) I didn't get to it yet" saavik says, "Can whomever
started that email me the log or put it online at the end?" dcarson says,
"sure"
saavik says, "thanks :-)"
saavik says, "brb - switching to tkMoo" saavik has disconnected.
saavik has connected.
A transporter beam sparkles and saavik disappears With a sparkle of
transporter light, saavik appears saavik says, "better"
Greg says, "On the subject of Moon Society business, I think we need to
check the bylaws because as I recall, it's about time to get started on the
2002 elections." saavik says, "so - is there any business that I need be
around for" Greg says, "Aside from wondering about elections?" Greg says,
"I think the latest bylaws are here:
http://www.moonsociety.org/organizing-documents/bylaws-rev1.html" Scottyg
says, "I have a little blurb...." Greg says, "Use your napkin, Scotty, or
you'll make a mess." Scottyg says, "I got a call from the IRS yesterday.
They got our latest info ok. The reason for the call was that our case has
been transferred to a new person." Scottyg says, "Seems ms Lemley no longer
works there." Greg says, "Is that good? Bad? Do we care?" Scottyg says,
"Anyway, we had a chat. The new person hasn't had time to do a full review,
but she said that overall, we look pretty good." Greg says, "That's good."
Scottyg says, "She said that they might ask us to take out some of the
things we discussed that can't be fully described at this point. She thinks
we can qualify on the basis of what we're doing without very much about
what we're planning." Scottyg says, "So...We may have another round of
revisions coming up, but overall, things look favorable." Greg says, "Ah,
so the letter about that becomes moot." Scottyg says, "Yeah, I guess it
would be moot if we take out the things there are unanswered questions
about." Greg says, "Oh well. We did that just for practice anyhow. :)"
Scottyg says, "I also have an inquiry from Peter about getting past MMM's
online, but that can wait till later." Greg says, "I'm thing that we just
saw an example of working with lawyers. Ms. Lemley wanted lots of plans and
details. The new person wants us to take that stuff out." Scottyg says,
"Lawyers? Oh, you mean scum!" saavik says, "hey now"
Severy says, "Hey, my sister is a lawyer! ;-)" Scottyg says, "LOL."
Greg says, "Fish food."
Scottyg says, "I KNEW that would get a rise out of someone." Greg says,
"Oh, meanwhile, back at the elections..." Greg says, "ARTICLE IX - BOARD OF
DIRECTORS AND OFFICERS ELECTION " Greg says, "Balloting: The ballot for the
Board of Directors and Officers election shall be included in (or with) the
May issue of the Society's primary magazine or in a special election
mailing to all members of the Society to be postmarked in May. " Greg says,
"Which means the next issue of MMM." saavik says, "oh!"
Greg says, "Merde."
saavik says, "feels like I just got elected" Greg says, "Yup. For a
two-year term."
Greg says, "This time around we have the opportunity to get rid of Scotty
and me." Scottyg says, "We were late with the last election." saavik says,
"lol"
saavik says, "you just are itching to do that Greg" saavik says, "I don't
think it will happen" saavik says, "unless Randall deposes you ;-)" Greg
says, "Not to mention Scotty, me, and Randall; all three of those board
positions are up for reelection." Greg says, "Aha! That's the answer! I
nominate Randall for President!" Severy says, "Yikes!"
saavik says, "now I do think it would be good to get some variety between
the officers and the board" Greg orders campaign buttons.
saavik says, "let's see if we can get Michael and Vik elected this time
around" saavik nominates Michael and Vik to start with Greg says, "For what
positions, Amy?"
Scottyg says, "Yep. We weren't too happy about the overlap when we did it,
but had a shortage of candidates." saavik says, "board"
saavik says, "aka the last election where they lost by one vote..." Greg
says, "Make 'em be ossifers first." Greg says, "Besides, I don't want to
give up my position on the board." saavik says, "lol"
saavik says, "you would rather stay on the board than ossifer" Greg says,
"We could /r/a/i/l/r/o/a/d/ encourage Michael to running for Treasurer. :)"
Greg [to run,]: too
saavik says, "he already said no, he would be bad at it" Greg says, "Erk."
Greg says, "Rats."
Greg says, "That's our problem. Everybody wants to make policy, but nobody
wants to do the work." saavik says, "well, work isn't so bad - but we do
need to keep someone who knows what they are doing in charge of the money"
Scottyg says, "I have agreed to continue as Assistant Treasurer for a time
for just that purpose Amy." Scottyg says, "Or Treasurer Emeritus or some
such silliness." Greg says, "Do we have the list of nominees from the last
election on line somewhere?" Greg says, "Ah, here it is. In an Excel file."
Scottyg says, "Ummmm...I think there might be something in /private/board
Greg." Scottyg says, "My supper's ready now. I'll be back in a few
minutes." saavik says, "I have to head out... see you all in 2 weeks and
I'll be reading email, of course" saavik says, "sorry..."
saavik says, "(but I assume real-life intervening is ok)" Greg says, "Oh,
OK."
saavik -)
saavik says, "err"
saavik smiles.
saavik has disconnected.
Greg says, "Rats. I should've brought this up last month." Greg says,
"Here's the list of nominees from the last election that I just
unearthed..." Greg says, "Carson -- on the board already" Greg says,
"Jackson"
Greg says, "McEnanly"
Greg says, "Mealling"
Greg says, "Newstead -- turned down Treasurer position" Greg says, "Olliver"
Greg says, "Perry"
Greg says, "Schrunk"
Greg says, "Strock"
Greg says, "Thangavelu"
Greg says, "Wetnight -- an officer already" Greg says, "Positions to be
elected in 2002:" Greg says, "President - currently Bennett" Greg says,
"Treasurer - currently Gammenthaler" Greg says, "Board position - Bennett"
Greg says, "Board position - Gammenthaler" Greg says, "Board position -
Severy"
Greg says, "So, the questions are:"
The housekeeper arrives to cart saavik off to bed. Greg says, "1. Do the
incumbent president and treasurer want to run for reelection, or would they
be willing to?" Greg says, "2. Does the board want to pass a resolution to
allow board members to serve as officers?" Greg says, "3. How shall we
handle the nominating process this time around?" Greg says, "4. If we don't
do both 1 and 2, do we have candidates for officers who we believe would
serve well in these posiitions?" Greg says, "And 5. Is the Moon Society
mature enough yet that we can kick it out of the nest?" Greg says, "OK, 6.
Is anybody out there?" Scottyg says, "I'm back now."
dcarson says, "yep"
Severy is out here, kind of, but doesn't have any good answers to any of
those questions Greg says, "Aha! A sign of life!"
Greg says, "Yeah, that's the trouble. I don't have any good answers,
either." Greg says, "Those guys who were nominated last time are not our
only choices. I think." Greg says, "Would it be possible to query the
membership database to get a report on who is eligible to hold office?"
Scottyg says, "The information to supply the answer is in the database, but
we don't have a query for it." Scottyg says, "But someone could always get
a comma or tab delimited membership list, import it into Excel, and run a
sort." Scottyg says, "That's how we did the ballot mailings." Scottyg says,
"Ummm, actually we imported it into Access where there is a flexible report
writer." Scottyg says, "But I've done Excel too." Greg says, "I'm wondering
what field to sort on." Greg says, "Do we have the "member since" date in
the membership database?" Scottyg says, "Yep."
Greg says, "Of course, it's not likely that going through all that trouble
would reveal much." Greg says, "The really active guys who aren't already
officers or board members are Arthur Smith, Mike Delaney, and Strangelv."
Greg says, "And it's not likely we'd get James to run for an office." Greg
says, "Arthur is running the program for the ISDC next month." Greg says,
"Mike is the listmaster."
Scottyg says, "Arthur seems to have a good business head (But I don't
really know him very well). He might make a good Treasurer." Greg says,
"Hmmm... which teamdir would we check to find out if he is eligible for the
office?" Greg says, "Keeping in mind that he's also kinda busy with
whatever his role is in the American Physical Society. I think he's the
webmaster." Scottyg says, "ASI is the more reliable source for membership
data." Greg says, "Continuous membership since Nov 22,2000" Greg says, "So
we're good to go with that membership." Greg says, "Arthur also happens to
be on line in The Commons right now." Scottyg says, "Hmmm...Isn't the
requirement for 2 years?" Greg says, "Oh, right."
Greg says, "So it would have to 199."
Greg says, "1999."
Greg says, "Scheisse."
Greg says, "Ack! Mike Delaney's membership expired April 4, 2002." Greg
says, "But it shows continuous membership since April 4, 2000." Greg says,
"Scotty, I think we might need to let this organzation ripen on the vine
for another term." Scottyg says, "He's still in his 60 day grace period."
Greg says, "I just sent him a reminder. " Greg says, "A rare service! :)"
Greg says, "Well, wanna see if we can keep it alive for another term, and
then look to see who's still around?" Greg has disconnected.
Scottyg says, "Oops?"
Greg arrives amidst thundering applause. Greg says, "oops"
Scottyg says, "LOL"
Greg says, "I cleverly closed the wrong window." Greg says, "As I was
saying... should we see if this thing will grow up a bit?" Scottyg says,
"Well, I guess my arm can be twisted on another term. I'd still like to see
some other nominees." Greg says, "Next time around we should have lots more
eligible candidates." Greg says, "Yeah. We can do a nominating round." Greg
says, "But if our names are on the ballot and the board allows us to be
both on the board and to hold an office, we're gonna get stuck." Greg says,
"The last election showed that pretty welll" Greg says, "well."
Scottyg says, "Uh-huh. Unless we've REALLY made some people mad." Greg
says, "Hey, that could arranged!"
Greg says, "I know! We'll put a picture of the Crazy Girls on the front
page of the Moon Society web." Scottyg says, "I could start sending out
nasty renewal & welcome letters. Signed by me." Greg says, "That would do
it, too."
Greg says, "In fact, it would probably be more effective since if we put a
bunch of naked ladies on the front page of the web site we'd probably
increase our membership." Greg says, "At the cost of forever blowing any
chance at 501c3 tax exemption." Scottyg says, "Ok, what are we supposed to
send out in May? Election ballots?" Greg says, "Well, where are we? Get
Peter to put a nominating ballot in the the May issue, and count that as
being compliant with the bylaws?" Scottyg says, "I don't remember what the
bylaws say about nominations." Greg says, "They don't."
Greg says, "http://www.moonsociety.org/organizing-documents/bylaws.html"
Greg says, "Article IX"
Scottyg says, "So nominations can be done in whatever way we want? Seems
like there were SOME requirements, like a nominating committee or
something." Greg says, "Not that I can see. It just says members nominate
members." Scottyg says, "So....I think a reasonable thing would be to put a
nominating ballot in May MMM, and election ballot in July, with return
deadline in Sept." Scottyg says, "Or, we could mail the election ballot
like before." Scottyg says, "(That has the advantage that only members
eligible to vote get ballots, and the ballots are pre-printed with their
name, so they don't have to be checked on receipt." dcarson says, "mail to
anyone who is overseas or doesn't get MMM in paper?" Scottyg says, "Or, we
could do an email solicitation for nominations." Scottyg says, "That might
save time."
Greg says, "I like the idea of not spending a lot of money on the
nominating ballot." Greg says, "So email is good."
Greg says, "I wish we had an on-line balloting system so we could save all
the paper costs." Greg says, "That was kind expensive."
Greg says, "Althought the Bylaws do require that the final ballot be
paper." Greg says, "We'd need to amend the bylaws to accommodate elecronic
voting." Greg says, "But that does seem like the next step for the Moon
Society." Greg says, "And we might have SimsHost settled down enough in
time to do it." Scottyg says, "I think electronic is fine, but we'd still
probably need to send out paper." Scottyg says, "But...Peter could stuff an
extra page in MMM." Greg says, "Though, in the back of my mind, I'm trying
to formulate a way to file the serial numbers off of SimsHost and create
something called SpaceHost." Greg says, "That's true. And those who read it
via PDF can still download and print the ballot if they want to vote."
Scottyg says, "Yep."
Greg says, "OK, that sounds like a plan." Greg says, "Do you still have the
nominating ballot from last time?" Greg says, "I don't remember who created
that one." Scottyg says, "I'm sure I have it, since I had it printed." Greg
says, "Wanna update it for this election and send it to Peter?" Greg says,
"Hmmm... if you sent him a PDF, that might make him happy." Scottyg says,
"Its in the (e)mail."
Greg says, "Yay!"
Greg says, "OK, so the election is off our back for the time being. Goody."
Greg says, "Did you have some other Moon Society thing to worry about
tonght, Scotty?" Greg says, "(I just noticed we officially have 10 official
minutes left for this official meeting, speaking officially about it.)"
Scottyg says, "Well, I have a communication from Peter about back issues of
MMM. Maybe it would be best if I paste it in." Greg says, "OK"
Scottyg says, "I'll try to get at 2001 issues 145 on soon. To put issues
prior to #145 in " Scottyg says, "pdf format would require a lot of extra
work." Scottyg says, "On the regular MMM back article archives in the ADB.
Two people have helped " Scottyg says, "transcribe the first forty issues
but have become discouraged at not seeing " Scottyg says, "the results of
their labors show up on line." Scottyg says, "What would be involved in
bringing me up to steam to put these back issues " Scottyg says, "online
myself? I'll even agree (under protest) to decapitalize Moon. One " Scottyg
says, "thing that has discouraged me from this project is that when I sent
along " Scottyg says, "illustrations for various articles, they either got
ignored or buried in the" Scottyg says, "image directory with no link from
the text." Scottyg says, "So I suggest listing all the rules and hoops and
I'll take a look and see if" Scottyg says, "this is something I can do."
Scottyg says, "I have articles from issues 1-60 ready to send. But I'm on
strike unless " Scottyg says, "their is some agreement to at least link to
illustrations (if imbeding them " Scottyg says, "is deemed undesirable)."
Scottyg says, "Peter"
Scottyg says, "I answered him that I would take it up with the Board in
tonight's meeting." Greg says, "Ah, which you just did. :)" Greg says, "It
seems like what we need is to recruit some helpers for Peter who can
process the MMM issues." Scottyg says, "There are a number of separate
issues involved, including:" Greg says, "In defense of the web team, it
took 2 years for him to get anything to them, in which time they got
discouraged with waiting." Scottyg says, "Shortcuting the approval process
on ASI." Greg says, "So I'm not at all sympathetic with the "getting
discouraged" sympathy ploy." Scottyg says, "Embedded vs linked images."
Scottyg says, "Getting the images filed and collated back to the article."
Greg says, "Yup. There is no reason the images are not embedded." Greg
says, "Other than the lack of anyone on the ASI team willing to put time
into reworking MMM." Scottyg says, "Peter seems willing to do this as a
one-man show, at least for a while." Greg says, "Geez... Bibi needs some
help on her web site and gets 14 folks volunteering." Greg says, "Yeah, so
we give him the instructions he needs and see if he does it?" Scottyg says,
"Yep, plus a little hand-holding. (For example, I update the index page for
/members/mmm each month after he uploads the latest pdf." Greg says, "FWIW,
there's not a single MMM issue in the WSD system." Scottyg says, "On ASI?"
Greg says, "Yup. Hand-holding I can do." Greg says, "Yes."
Greg says, "The MMM archives are here: http://www.asi.org/adb/06/09/03/02/"
Greg says, "It should also be http://www.asi.org/mmm/, but something
happened to the .htaccess file in the asi root" Greg says, "That is, the
.htaccess file disappeared." Scottyg says, "From Peter's comments, I think
there has been a problem about getting the images linked. I have always
found that troublesome. Have to submit the images first to get the link
names for the HTML." Greg says, "So the RedirectPermanent isn't there any
more." Greg says, "FYI, this is the first I've heard that Peter had the
text for additional issues." Greg says, "I had just plain given up on ever
getting the MMM archives done." Scottyg says, "SAME HERE. I HAVEN'T SEEN
ANY ACTIVITY ON UPDATING MMM IN A COUPLE OF YEARS." Scottyg says, "Oops.
darned Caps Lock." Greg says, "In fact, it was getting to be such an
embarrassment that I removed the MMM banner from the front page." Greg
says, "Ditto for the Space Frontier History thing." Scottyg says, "I had an
inquiry from a new member about the MMM archives yesterday. Maybe he would
like to help." Greg says, "Man, this web site design is getting long in the
tooth." Scottyg says, "Excerpt from his email:" Scottyg says, "PS I've been
out of the space advocacy business for a decade now. The " Scottyg says,
"publication I was always the most impressed with, of ALL of the space-"
Scottyg says, "related publications/organizations, was Peter Kokh's MMM.
How's he doing " Scottyg says, "now?"
Scottyg says, "(From Hal Tynan)"
Greg says, "What the heck... send Hal a note and include Peter on
distribution. That might get the two of them talking." Scottyg says, "Which
web site design?"
Greg says, "I was thinking of asi.org at the moment." Scottyg says, "Yeah."
Greg says, "but the same is true of the Moon Society and the tlrc.com web
sites." Greg says, "The good news is that I've learned enough new WSD
tricks that I could make this thing really rock." Greg says, "The bad news
is that I can't get myself motivated to work on it." Scottyg says, "I
pointed him to the adb." Greg says, "If we get someone to rework the MMM
pages to embed the images, it woudl be really great." Scottyg says, "I've
been learning some nifty scripting tricks too." Greg says, "Which sounds
like it's exactly what Peter wants to do." Greg says, "I just realized we
don't have a link to the Moon Society on the ASI site." Greg says, "Rats."
Scottyg says, "I have some php code, that writes JavaScript code, that
write JavaScript code." Greg says, "That sounds dangerous."
Scottyg says, "Its a little hard at times to keep up wit what context
you're in." Greg says, "Ah well. All those other web sites can wait. We
gotta get SimsHost working first." Greg says, "And just maybe get the
company into a position where it can afford us. :)" Greg says, "On
SimsHost, I think my open action item is to get these HTML pages going and
prettify the the PHP stuff" Scottyg says, "That PHP, JavaScript, JavaScript
is part of the Paypal integration. I'm about halfway through that." Greg
says, "Randall still has an action item to install WSD Express in there."
Scottyg says, "Yep. Oh...is Dana still here?" Greg says, "Hot diggity dawg!"
Scottyg says, "Need to ask him about webdav." Greg says, "We could open
SimsHost with just PayPal if we have to, with a note promising that we'll
have credit cards and other payment schemes Real Soon Now." Greg says,
"There is, indeed, a dcarson in lurk mode here." Greg says, "Oh, Dana!"
Greg says, "Yooohooo, Dana!"
Greg says, "Dana, Scotty need needs to ask you about webdav!" Scottyg says,
"I'll have PayPal going by Monday. I've already got the "pay us" submission
working, and I'm doing the back-end capture now." Greg says, "(Folks always
spot their own names in a page of typed text.)" Greg says, "Neat!"
Greg says, "So we already have a PayPal account?" Scottyg says, "Nope, the
transaction is pending. I left it that way till I have the script ready to
receive the transaction." Greg says, "That make sense."
Greg says, "It seems like it can't be too hard to set up since so many
amateur web sites have PayPal begging buttons." Greg says, "Specifically,
sims istes."
Greg says, "sites."
Scottyg says, "But, I have a PayPal account, and my account says I have
transferred money to TLRC, so the submission worked." Greg says, "Cool!"
Scottyg says, "Greg, the difficulty depends on what record-keeping we
want." Greg says, "Thought: Did you file a DBA for "SimsHost" so that we
can accept checks made out to SimsHost?" Scottyg says, "A simple paypal
interface is little more than an HTML page." Greg says, "Ah, but we're not
simple."
Greg says, "Since we have to create and track subscriptions and download
accounts." Scottyg says, "Nope, haven't had time to do that. Didn't think
ot it either." Scottyg says, "BRB. If Dana shows, keep his attention." Greg
says, "I think it would be politick to be able to ask folks to make checks
payable to SimsHost." Scottyg says, "BTW, have you tried out the "View
Account Activity" feature yet?" Greg says, "I don't think so."
Greg says, "I'm sort of saving up all the action items for the weekend."
Greg says, "Assuming I *have* a weekend." Greg says, "We have a meeting
with NASA next week that I'm preparing the briefing material for, and it
seems like everybody (including my boss) are dragging their feet." Greg
says, "But that's just me grumbling about my day job. Nothing new." Greg
says, "I paged Dana a couple of times." dcarson says, "whats up"
Greg says, "And there he is! :)"
Scottyg says, "Hi Dana. I wanted to talk a little about webdav." dcarson
says, "sure"
Scottyg says, "I have the rewrite working for the simshost, but need to add
*something* to it to leave webdav alone. The rewrite module is very
flexible." Scottyg says, "It can look at all of the environment variables.
Is there something unique about webdav in any of that?" dcarson says, "not
that I can think of, you can tel what method is being used though" Scottyg
says, "(Right now, its on port 8080, but Randall tells me we'll have to
live with port 80 on the QS system.)" dcarson says, "I thought your idea of
using different ports was a good one" Scottyg says, "Whats the method?"
Scottyg says, "(Method is one of the environment variables)" dcarson says,
"the kind of request, normal http uses GET, POST, dav adds PROPFIND, MOVE,
COPY etc" dcarson says, "PUT was in the old http spec but wasn't really
used before dav" Scottyg says, "Can you give me a full list? (Or I guess I
could screen the other way - rewrite on GET, POST, and PUT - leave others
alone.)" dcarson says, "sure"
Greg says, "Does that mean it'll still work on a QS?" Scottyg says,
"But....Does webdav NEVER use any of those? (GET in particular/)" dcarson
says, "thats the problem, we may need to deal with GET differently for DAV
vs regular, thats why I've been thinking that your idea of different ports
was better" Scottyg says, "The idea was good, but ignores the constraints
we are under with a QS server. Randall says Pair won't let us use another
port." dcarson says, "webfolders PUTS a 0 len file to test, GETs the file
to see if it worked and than PUTs the real file, so with WSD I need to fake
the response for the 0 len file" dcarson says, "for a WSDlitish the 0 len
file would be there but other cases might matter" Scottyg says, "Ok, we
could exclude PUTS from the rewrite, but the GET is a problem." dcarson
says, "the headders also have the client name in them, check if its from
webfolders, dreamweaver etc to see if its DAV" Scottyg says, "I'm not sure
I can look at the filesystem in the rewrite rules." Scottyg says, "Yeah,
thats kind of messy, but I guess it could be made to work." dcarson says,
"you want the User-Agent header" Scottyg says, "I don't like using the
client name, since that is vendor info that they may change without
notice." dcarson says, "might be easier to check if its one of the browsers
and be not DAV" dcarson says, "I don't like it either, can't think of a
better one" Scottyg says, "But if we can't find another way, we can
probably make it work." Scottyg says, "Hmmm."
Scottyg says, "I could set up another test, and direct all access to a
script that dumps the environment. Maybe I can spot something else unique."
Scottyg says, "Only thing is...The client probably won't go past the first
access if it doesn't get a valid response." dcarson says, "should be a
cgi-bin/printenv script already there I think" Scottyg says, "Or...its only
a few lines of PHP." Scottyg says, "I have something else I need help with,
but not tonight." dcarson says, "I'll be out of town this weekend but back
Monday" Scottyg says, "I've studied the CyberCash PERL script to submit a
charge. I need to adapt it to accept arguments via stdin instead of web
POST." Scottyg says, "(Don't want to do command-line args for security
reasons, so I'm planning to call it as a HEHE command.)" Scottyg says,
"/HEHE/HERE/"
dcarson says, "yep"
Scottyg says, "Thus it needs to read stdin." Scottyg says, "Then I can just
do:"
Scottyg says, "/usr/bin/perl scriptname.pl << TOKEN" Scottyg says,
"name=val"
Scottyg says, "name=val"
Scottyg says, "name=val"
Scottyg says, "etc"
Scottyg says, "TOKEN"
dcarson says, "looks right"
Scottyg says, "I remember there is a really short way to suck all those
name, val pairs into an associative array, but can't remember how to do
it." Scottyg says, "And you being the PERL guru, I thought I would ask for
help with it." dcarson says, "OK"
Scottyg says, "Ok, well, I guess that was all I had. I'll talk to you about
ti next week." Scottyg says, "s/ti/it/"
Greg says, "OK. Does that mean we're done now?" dcarson says, "OK"
Scottyg says, "or ^ti it depending on your brand of poision." Greg says,
"sit, too."
Scottyg says, "s/poision/poison/"
Greg says, "Oh, it must be getting late. :)" dcarson says, "the cgi perl
routine does" dcarson says, "foreach (@pairs) {"
dcarson says, " ($param,$value) = split('=');" dcarson says, " $param =
&unescape($param);" dcarson says, " $value = &unescape($value);" dcarson
says, " $self->add_parameter($param);" dcarson says, " push
(@{$self->{$param}},$value);" dcarson says, "}"
Greg says, "I see to be having some serious line noise." Greg says, "seem"
Scottyg says, "No, just perl."
Scottyg says, "Oh, Greg...."
Scottyg says, "The "View Transactions" page is looking at some transactions
that were written with buggy code." Scottyg says, "The bugs are fixed now,
but there are a few peculiarities in the existing data." Scottyg says,
"Like...When you do a credit card charge, there are two lines in the
database." Scottyg says, "One says Charge Submitted" the other says "Charge
Approved"" Scottyg says, "But the bug caused them to both say "Charge
Submitted"" Scottyg says, "And there is also some inconsistency in
reporting download size. Bytes in some cases, Megabytes in others." Scottyg
says, "But new transactions should be correct." Greg says, "You're planning
to wipe out all the old transactions anyhow, right?" Greg says, "I might be
able to get some time to get in there and play with this stuff tomorrow
night." Scottyg says, "Yeah, I'll erase the entire database when we're
ready to go. Meanwhile, its useful to have data for the scripts to chew
on." Greg says, "Oh goodness. I gotta get to bed." Greg says, "I feel
asleep.:)"
Scottyg says, "Yep, its getting close to that time for me too." Greg says,
"So, on that note, I'd better get myself moving. G'night!" Scottyg says,
"G'nite!"

-- End log: Thursday, April 18, 2002 12:15:51 am ASI Meeting Server time --