-- Start log: Wednesday, May 8, 2002 9:01:20 pm ASI Meeting Server time --

dcarson arrives.
dcarson says, "helo"
Severy says, "Howdy!"
saavik says, "Hi"
saavik says, "Finished the newest Liaden universe book last night. Very
good series you got me hooked on, Dana" dcarson says, "yep"
saavik says, "Do you have the "chapbooks" that they mention on the web
site?" saavik says, "I'm considering ordering them" dcarson says, "I have
all of them"
Scottyg has arrived.
saavik says, "are they good?"
saavik says, "I expect so :-)"
Severy says, "Scotty, I just forward to you and Greg the message from Pair
about the new server being ready" dcarson says, "yes, expensive relativly,
about 2 short stories per but good" Severy says, "I forwarded it to you,
Dana, as well" Severy says, "We need to finalize the web server
configuration stuff as soon as possible" Greg arrives amidst thundering
applause. Scottyg says, "My goodness! I haven't even heard back from making
the request yet!" saavik says, "Glad to hear it... they are expensive but I
really like the authors and the universe they created" Severy says, "Pair
doesn't waste any time setting up new servers, qs33 was ready in just a few
days as well" Greg says, "What did I miss? Is the new server ready?" Severy
says, "Erik at Pair says it can be ready on Friday" Severy says, "or,
rather, he can start on any customizations we need on Friday" Greg says,
"Hot dawg!"
Greg says, "Oh."
saavik says, "Which server is this? The secretary needs to take notes ;-)"
Severy says, "simshost.com"
Scottyg says, "Not Moon Society, Amy. But of considerable interest to most
present." saavik says, "Laugh, ok"
saavik says, "just trying to keep up the notes :-)" Greg says, "Carrot Sims
just joined. Very popular site." Severy says, "Cool!"
Scottyg says, "Sorry about not letting you know about the meeting
reschedule...Everyone but you was here." saavik says, "laugh, yeah well, I
was the one who asked for it! I was just amused that I never heard" Severy
says, "Dana, I should be able to stay in the office as late as needed
Friday night, so we can finalize any server configuration issues then if
needed" Severy says, "Have you tried the WSDDAV module as a linked-in
module yet?" Severy says, "We're multiplying Gregs!" Scottyg says,
"Randall, will it be on-line on Friday? Even if customization is not
complete?" Severy says, "I can ask Erik to have our login working on
Friday, most likely" Greg wears many hats! :)
Severy says, "It was amusing, Greg, because Greg Allison logged on to the
NSS Moo at virtually the same instant that your clone logged in" Scottyg
says, "That would let us work on porting things over during the weekend."
Greg says, "Yup."
Greg says, "Is this the same pair networks fellow who suffered through all
out other mischief?" dcarson says, "It looks OK. I can;'t get the make file
to build automatically but I can when I edit it by hand and build" Severy
says, "Yes, Erik has been our primary contact on qs33/pb7 for almost a year
now" Severy says, "He handled the pb7 migration (very smoothly, I might
add)" Greg says, "Oh good. Then he's used to us. :)" Severy says, "He's
also the one who has been answering all of my questions while planning the
SimsHost server, so he knows everything we're planning to do" Greg says,
"Perfect!"
Severy says, "Agreed, Scotty, I'll ask Erik to get our login account
working by Friday and I'll let him know that we should have the web server
customizations finalized by Monday" Scottyg says, "Hey Dana, Randall says
that TLRC may be set up as a reseller with Pair and you would know about
it." dcarson says, "yes we are"
Severy says, "That will give us the weekend to beat the web server into
shape on pb7 in preparation for sending the customization info to Erik"
Greg says, "Yeah, I guess we are sort of a pair networks reseller." Greg
says, "Though we're selling pair's bandwidth in teeeeny tiny parcels. :)"
Scottyg says, "Well, I set up our new server as an independent deal, but we
may want to bring in the sims sites under our reseller arrangement." Severy
says, "Yup, you may be able to get a discount on the Quickserve fee under
the reseller program, but I don't remember the details" dcarson says,
"billing ID #01798:"
dcarson says, "I think we currently get 5% off monthly charges" Greg says,
"Does that included bandwidth?" Severy says, "I think so"
Greg says, "Keeping in mind that every one of the existing sites we will be
hosting was forced off line by bandwidth." dcarson says, "Maybe 8%"
Scottyg says, "oh...One of the options was virtual ftp at no extra cost, so
I signed us up for it." Greg says, "Jerry said the last bandwidth bill he
got for Killersims, before he gave up, was $12000 in one month." Greg says,
"Not a hobby for working people." Severy says, "Yikes!"
dcarson says, "I think it might be that we get a discount on the prepaid
bandwidth since thats monthly but not on overuse charges" saavik says,
"yikes!!"
Greg says, "I think that pretty much explains SimsHost in a nutshell. :)"
Scottyg says, "At something like $.003 per megabyte, that a bunch of bytes"
Greg says, "Uh huh."
Scottyg says, "About 4 terabytes per month" Greg says, "Even with our speed
brake on SimGoddesses, they get 2 to 3 million hits a day, and Killersims
is 3 times larger." Greg says, "Is it any wonder the web analysis tools
roll over and die?" Greg says, "From the Moon Society's point of view, it
means that "Moon Sims" will at least be in the face of practically every
Sims fan in the world. 6.5 million people." saavik says, "That is a good
thing..."
Greg says, "It can't hurt to tell 'em we're here! :)" Scottyg says, "Since
we rescheduled tonight's meeting mostly because Amy couldn't make it last
week or next week, but wanted to get started on Vik's proposal, I think we
need to set aside the fun stuff and get down to business." saavik says,
"laugh, I agree"
saavik says, "Has everyone read Vik's proposal?" dcarson says, "yep"
saavik waits for other replies...
Greg says, "Erm... I can't find Vik's proposal. Where was it addressed to?"
Scottyg says, "Yep."
saavik says, "leaders@moonsociety.org"
Scottyg says, "Email to Moon-Board on April 29, from Amy." Scottyg says, "
board@moonsociety.org, not leaders." saavik says, "oh, sorry..."
saavik says, "I am not sure I noticed the difference :-)" Scottyg =) I have
it open on my screen. Scottyg says, "Also holding a printed copy in my
hand." saavik says, "laugh, ok"
Greg says, "Oh, I'll look again."
saavik says, "Randall?"
Severy says, "Yes, I read it when it first went by, but I've slept since
then ;-)" Greg says, "OK, NOW I've read Vik's proposal. :)" saavik laughs.
saavik says, "So what does everyone else think of it?" Scottyg says, "It
looks pretty good, except in one way...." Scottyg says, "I'd sort of like
to see it tied into the existing body of published research." saavik says,
"good point..."
Scottyg says, "Thats the only way to be sure you aren't just replowing
stale ground." Severy rereads Vik's proposal
dcarson says, "good science, good for publicity, and we're only paying part
of it" Severy says, "I'm afraid that the science outlined in there is so
over my head that I can't comment very much on it" dcarson says, "Scotty is
right about trying to get whats already been done tied in though" Scottyg
says, "Me too. That's part of the reason for the point I made." Greg says,
"We need to add a reporting requirement of some sort." saavik says, "I
thought he did a good job of outlining everything and including controls,
etc. I also wondered about the literature" Greg says, "And, of course, we
need to figure out where we're going to get the funding." saavik says,
"well yeah, part of the reason was to use this as a carrot for getting
funding" Greg says, "Yup."
Scottyg says, "Yes Greg, a final report is his deliverable. We will need to
set up a payment schedule that incorporates that. PArtial payments for
progress, final payment for a final report." saavik says, "So the question
is: do we agree that it is good enough to use as a carrot? " Scottyg says,
"BTW - the $ amounts total to $3,980" saavik says, "Not bad"
Scottyg says, "(US $)"
Scottyg says, "Plus an unknown or two." dcarson says, "I'd say yes to
funding it" Scottyg says, "I would think we could publish a summary as a
carrot. And ask Vik to add bibliography and references." saavik says, "Yes,
I agree that we wouldn't want the whole thing up... " Scottyg says, "The
summary should describe a bit better the scientific reason for the
research, in laymans terms." saavik says, "So: if we agree (do we?) that it
is good - then I have two more questions: 1) Anyone read from our
fundraiser Rod recently? and 2) Does anyone agree that we should have two
"carrots" out there?" Scottyg says, "1) No."
saavik says, "I have an idea re 2) but I'll wait until I hear a yes or two
:-)" Scottyg says, "2) I'm not sure."
Scottyg says, "It looks good to have competition for funding." dcarson
says, "1) no, 2) it would be nice" saavik says, "and to have diverse
interests" Scottyg says, "But we have such a small budget, I'm reluctant to
advertise it very widely." Greg says, "Nope, I haven't heard from Rod since
the time he visited us here." saavik says, "Well, wasn't the budget issue
part of why we were fundraising?" Greg says, "Yeah, the idea was to get
some specific project proposals and then show them to folks when we beg for
money." saavik says, "so my idea for (2) was to talk to Michael... but I'm
open to other ideas" saavik says, "smiles"
saavik says, "err"
saavik smiles.
Scottyg says, "What is Michael interested in doing?" saavik says, "Rockets"
saavik says, "but I haven't even brought this up to him so I don't know -
he just has well thought out ideas, usually" Scottyg says, "Ah, I remember
now."
saavik says, "what should we do about Rod?" Scottyg says, "Greg is the
rocket scientist of this bunch. Whaddaya think Greg?" Scottyg says, "FWIW -
I have PayPal working on the simshost site, so adding it to Moon Society
payment options should be fairly easy now." Greg says, "Oops. I'm lost.
What do I think about what? Vik's proposal, technically?" Scottyg says, "It
was in regard to Michael, several lines up." Greg says, "I haven't been
paying a lot of attention to what Michael is doing." Greg says, "It might
be hard to come up with a rocket proposal that fits with the Moon Society's
current activities." Scottyg says, "I guess i was just asking you to
speculate on the likelihood of a person accomplishing something useful in
rocket research without access to advanced facilities." dcarson says, "one
I can think of is trying insitu propellents" Scottyg says, "Even the
amateur efforts that are making progress are usually piggy-backed on some
NASA facility." Greg says, "Yeah. The SBIR mills are out in full force."
Greg says, "I really can't think of anything except maybe the stuff some
folks are doing on nitroous oxide rockets." saavik says, "other ideas for
fundraising projects?" Greg says, "But it wouldn't hurt to ask Michael if
he has any ideas." saavik says, "can do pres"
Greg says, "My best idea for fund-raising projects is to find out if Rod
Ramsey is still interested i doing this." Greg says, "If not, we're back to
square one; nobody to run the project." saavik says, "that is a very good
one... can you do that? you talked to him before (and you are the pres)"
Greg says, "Yeah, I can send him a note." Greg says, "Oops. At least I can
if I can find his address." saavik says, "From: "Rod Ramsey" <
rramsey@mindspring.com>" Scottyg says, "There's another thing we badly need
to find someone to handle..." Greg says, "Thanks, Amy!"
Scottyg says, "We need someone to be our contact person." saavik says,
"contact?"
Scottyg says, "For example, i have two letters from students asking for
information..." Greg says, "OK, note on it's way to Rod." Scottyg says,
"And I think we have a pop box that some contacts are going into, but no
one is checking the mail." Greg says, "Yup."
Scottyg says, "The sort of thing that Nanci used to do." Scottyg says, "And
then Candace. (Sort of)" saavik says, "Nanci?"
Scottyg says, "Brasket"
Scottyg says, "Was that before you joined?" Severy says, "Yup, Dana and I
have a lot of stuff that has gone to webmaster@asi.org and similar
addresses that I don't think either of us have the time to weed through"
Scottyg says, "I used to handle some of it, but my workload has reached the
point i can't do an adequate job of it." saavik says, "should we ask on the
list?" Scottyg says, "Wouldn't hurt. Someone who likes to correspond with
people would be ideal." saavik says, "I'm way to overloaded to go there
:-)" Scottyg says, "Same here, plus I have a bad attitude about snail
mail." saavik says, "So it's getting late-ish... Greg has contacted Rod,
I'll email Vik to ask for 1) a summary and 2) literature refs in his
proposal and Michael for ideas.... are there other items on the list?"
Scottyg says, "I don't have any other progress to report." Scottyg says,
"After a flurry with the IRS, things are quiet again." Greg says, "One
other thing for Vik: Ask him to add some notes about reporting progress and
stuff. If he needs to add a digital camera to make pictures, then he could
just add that to the budget proposal." Greg says, "The reports should be
published on the Moon Society site of course." saavik says, "will do..."
Scottyg says, "He should also point out that none of the research money is
being used to pay him for his time. Only for facilities and out-of-pocket
expenses." saavik says, "good point"
Scottyg says, "Which makes the equivalent value of the project something
like 10x the cost." saavik says, "true enough"
saavik says, "ok, anything else for me to send/do?" dcarson says, "not that
I can think of" Scottyg says, "Not from here."
Greg says, "Yeah, I think that's about it! Thanks, Amy!" saavik says, "ok,
thanks for rescheduling for me! next one also?" Greg says, "That's the
plan!"
Scottyg says, "Yep. Next moon Society meeting on May 22." saavik says, "ok,
thanks all :-)"
Scottyg says, "Then back to normal schedule" saavik says, "sounds good...
travel should be more normal in June" saavik says, "this is an odd month
for me"

-- End log: Wednesday, May 8, 2002 10:38:15 pm ASI Meeting Server time --