-- Start log: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 9:08:15 pm ASI Meeting Server time --

DaveW arrives.
saavik says, "Hey Dave - congratulations! I see from your message that she
arrived" DaveW says, "thanks"
saavik says, "getting any sleep yet?"
Scottyg says, "So, a new baby at home Dave? Congratulations!" dcarson says,
"congrats"
DaveW says, "yeah "Annmarie" was born at 2345 last thursday...we all came
home saturday evening" saavik says, "so - where is the esteemed president?"
dcarson says, "dunno"
Scottyg says, "I dunno. I talked to him about 3 hours ago, but haven't seen
him since." saavik says, "hmm... should we start without? or just wait?"
dcarson says, "start in a few minutes"
saavik says, "(odd traffic on the commons that you may want to notice)"
saavik says, "well, let me know when we should start. I'm happy enough to
work in another window for the moment" dcarson says, "its getting to be
almost 20 after, why don't we get started?" saavik says, "ok :-) Shall the
secretary state what she has for tabled items? hold on" saavik says, "1)
elections are coming up again soon (I think Greg pointed this out recently)
and" saavik says, "2) I have some more $10K stuff from Michael and perhaps
we can just invite him in?" Greg arrives amidst thundering applause. saavik
says, "And there he is... I'll repeat my items :-)" saavik says, "1)
elections are coming up again soon (I think Greg pointed this out recently)
and" saavik says, "2) I have some more $10K stuff from Michael and perhaps
we can just invite him in?" Greg says, "Sure, why not just invite Michael
to come in here and play?" Greg says, "Oh, sorry I'm late. It's been
another of Those Days." DaveW seconds
Greg hands Dave a second helping of pistachio ice cream. DaveW[new baby is
home] laughs.
saavik says, "ok, how do we let him in?" Greg says, "So, daddy, how's the
young'n? And how's mom?" DaveW says, "both doing great"
Greg says, "Um... we could ask Randall." Greg says, "Or I could just
teleport him." saavik says, "that's good :-)"
saavik says, "laugh - let him make a clone first since he is discussing
stuff" Greg says, "Oh, OK."
saavik says, "and George was just complaining about the meeting not being
public" saavik says, "I just asked him to come" Greg says, "There are lots
of reasons we don't hold these meetings in the public space. The most
significant being yacketayacketayacketa." saavik says, "yeah exactly but we
couldn't say that one ;-)" saavik says, "is randall awake enough to let him
in?" saavik says, "oops, he is asking to get let in. Greg?" Greg says,
"I'll just teleport him. Which one, the clone or the original?" saavik
says, "hold on"
saavik says, "asking now"
saavik says, "he says clone"
Greg says, "OK"
Michael-1 says, "wheeeeee"
saavik says, "laugh, Hi Michael"
Greg says, "Exciting, wasn't it?"
Michael-1 says, "got me all tingly inside......" saavik rolls her eyes
Greg says, "I think I managed to get all the brain cells back in the right
place." Michael-1 warns the room that he might have to run out for a minute
or two. He has food on the grill. Greg says, "But if not, what the heck,
you're just a clone. :)" saavik says, "Ok, so Michael, I haven't had a
chance to dissemenate your email yet but I can do that now or you can
summarize (I will just cut and paste, if you want)" Greg says, "Ah, hunger.
A common side effect of the teleportation process." saavik says, "From
Michael in response to last meeting's query for $10K ideas:" saavik says,
"This project should not be a one off thing. We should attempt to" saavik
says, "make it an annual event with fundraising projects done throughout
the" saavik says, "year leading up to the project award." saavik says, "10K
Project Plans:"
saavik says, "These first two are more fully baked that the last few...."
saavik says, "Lunar EnterPrize"
saavik says, "Partner with the Space Frontier Foundation's Enterprise
project by" saavik says, "including a competition at their workshops. The
best space and/or lunar" saavik says, "related business plan as determined
by the Artemis BoD gets the $10,000" saavik says, "in seed money. Artemis
gets stock in the company for the $10,000." saavik says, "The Little Xprize"
saavik says, "Provide a stepping stone and and example to all those other
space organizations" saavik says, "by providing a $10,000 prize to the
first commercial space company to reach" saavik says, "100,000 feet using
the same criteria as the Xprize." saavik says, "GRRRRRR"
saavik says, "that did not paste correctly.... Maybe it worked minus the
spacing, I guess that is ok" Michael-1 says, "that's good enough....."
Michael-1 says, "The Space Frontier Foundation's "Enterprise" page is here:
http://www.space-frontier.org/Projects/enterprise/" saavik says, "looks
good"
Michael-1 says, "some of us attend each of the workshops and judge the
business plans too find the 'best' (either lunar or non-lunar) and ginvest
that $10,000 in that company as seed captial." Michael-1 says, "(getting
equity in the process)" saavik waits for other people to jump in on that
idea - it looks interesting to her Greg says, "Yes, it looks very
interesting." Greg says, "I wonder... hmmmm..."
Michael-1 says, "The other idea is to fund a mini-Xprise. $10,000 for
getting to 100,000 feet....." Greg says, "We wouldn't want to announce a
thing like that unless we were confident that we had the money in place."
Michael-1 says, "(or some other round number)" Greg says, "10 cents a foot,
huh?"
Scottyg says, "Um...I'm sure if a non-profit can invest in a for-profit in
that manner." Michael-1 says, "definitely! You wouldn't want to do either
unless you had the money in place. " dcarson says, "I don't think they have
all the money for the X-Prize yet" Greg says, "Scotty, yes, a non-profit
can invest in a for-profit." saavik says, "well, the idea was to come up
with ideas that would help in fundraising as well so maybe we could at
least talk to the SFF people?" Michael-1 says, "would it be legal for one
of our affiliate companies to handle it?" Scottyg says, "I'd have to
research the question." Greg says, "As long as there are no conflicts of
interest."

Michael-1 says, "right....."
Michael-1 says, "I for one wouldn't compete for it....."
Michael-1 says, "I'm getting all of my seed capital from being a slum
lord......"

Scottyg says, "I think there are some control issues too." Greg says, "On
the other hand, by the time we get such a thing organized, it might even be
feasible for TLRC to do the investing." saavik says, "lol"
Greg says, "Hey, that's how Bigelow made his big bux!" Michael-1 says, "be
back in a minute... gotta flip the dinner over..." Greg says, "Oh, I do so
enjoy working for a guy with a slumlord mentality." Michael-1 says, "ok....
(man, sometimes I cook so well I impress myself)" saavik says, "too bad you
can't share :-)" Michael-1 says, "(pork tenderloin, black-eyed peas and
rice... simple but good)" dcarson says, "sounds good"
dcarson says, "glad I ate already"
saavik says, "sounds good indeed"
Greg says, "Except for the black-eyed peas. :)" Michael-1 says, "anyway,
those are the two I came up with. I have some product ideas for
ExoAerospace so if you don't mind I'm keeping those to myself. ;-)" saavik
laughs.
saavik says, "ok, so what do people think? do we know someone at SFF that
we could talk to about this?" A crack of thunder announces the arrival of
Severy saavik says, "oh, he woke up!"
Severy says, "Sorry for being late, folks!" Greg says, "Yeah, he couldn't
sleep with all that lightning outside." saavik says, "we were all late
tonight, Randall. just started about 15 min ago" Michael-1 says, "I've
talked via email with the guy who's handleing the Enterprise project (I
think he was at the Las Vegas meeting)" Greg says, "Whozzat?"
Michael-1 says, "I'm looking the name up now...." DaveW says, "I think
these two ideas are worth keeping on the list" Michael-1 says, "James
George"
Greg says, "Oh, of course."
saavik says, "oh, I think we all know him (or at least have met him)" Greg
says, "Yes, he would be at the Space Frontier Foundation conference in Las
Vegas." saavik says, "he kept trying to sell me a tshirt :-)" Greg says,
"Yup. Nice guy. But if you shake hands with him, count your fingers when
you get your hand back." saavik says, "I kept refusing because it was
black" Michael-1 says, "as long as I know something like that before hand
then he's someone I can deal with. ;-)" saavik says, "do you mean he will
break them or he will take some?" Michael-1 says, "hmmm..... that "New
Space Economy" conference in Palo Alto sounds interesting...." saavik notes
that it is very quiet tonight saavik likes to have an action plan but maybe
that is because she is writing her first grant proposal and is coming up
with such plans Scottyg says, "Greg means he'll take some." Michael-1 is
curious what other items are on the list. He assumes that the Lunar Rover
model is there and something to do with Leto... saavik says, "actually,
Michael, the current other tabled item is elections. but the other things
sound good :-)" Michael-1 says, "but you don't have to tell me if you don't
wanna...." saavik says, "laugh, no, I want you to stick around for the
elections discussions because I want to nominate you so you this time"
Michael-1 says, "oh.. is it time for those already?" saavik says,
"apparently we were late before" saavik says, "I think Greg and Randall
plus 3 BoD positions are up but Greg knows best" Michael-1 says, "hehe...."
saavik says, "or maybe Greg and Scotty and 3 BoD" DaveW says, "sounds about
right"
Greg says, "Yes, I think it's president, treasurer, and the board slots
held by me, scotty, and randall" Scottyg says, "Yep, I'm up."
saavik says, "and when is the deadline?" Scottyg says, "Now."
Greg says, "Oh... yeah... approximately like last month." Scottyg says,
"Actually, we've missed it. The bylaws say it should be published in the
Mat issue of the newsletter." Scottyg says, "May even"
saavik says, "oh...."
saavik says, "uh, so, does the pres have a plan?" Greg says, "Yes! I'll
appoint the secretary to be the Commissioner of Elections! :)" DaveW[new
baby is home] laughs.
Greg says, "Citing a potential conflict of interest as the /e/x/c/u/s/e/
reason." saavik runs away
saavik says, "Make your VP do it - your secretary is a bit insane right
now" DaveW says, "very good plan greg"
saavik says, "I'm graduating this weekend :-)" Greg says, "Eeek!"
DaveW has a 5 day old baby to deal with saavik says, "so if you need it
done fast, I am not the one..." saavik says, "hmm, house full of relatives
versus a house full of baby" saavik hmms.
Greg says, "Oh, good idea! Since president might have a conflict of
interest he delegates the election decisions to the baby department."
saavik says, "LOL"
Greg says, "I nominate Dave's baby. (Boy? Girl? Name?)" saavik says, "Dave,
do you want to do this together?" DaveW says, "sure"
saavik says, "I can help but I am just a bit nuts getting eveyrthing ready
" DaveW says, "Her name is Annmarie Lee Wetnight" Greg says, "A more
appropriate name for a baby there never was! :)" Greg says, "Especially if
she's a girl." Michael-1 says, "Hmm.... $372 round trip flight to Palo
Alto...." DaveW says, "so I guess the first thing we need for elections is
a call for noninations" saavik says, "so - what is a realistic deadline for
nominations?" Greg dons a button that reads Annmarie for President! saavik
says, "laugh, yeah"
Greg says, "Did Peter publish a nominating ballot?" Scottyg says, "The
latest MMM is online in http://www.moonsociety.org/members if anyone needs
to look at it." Scottyg says, "(may issue)"
saavik says, "I don't see one"
saavik says, "(a ballot that is)"
Scottyg says, "I haven't had time to read it yet. :=(" saavik says, "me
either but I just browsed it :-)" saavik says, "may has been a crazy month
for me" Greg says, "Aw, darn it. It's not in the April issue where it was
supposed to be." Greg says, "Speaking of which, we got 3 copies again this
month. Something is awry with the process of getting the addresses to LRS."
Greg says, "Still."
Scottyg says, "There is a nominations form on page 9 in the May issue."
Greg says, "Oh. I don't have that one yet." saavik says, "oh, I missed that"
Greg says, "Apparently the post office doesn't deliver periodicals until
they are full ripe." Scottyg says, "Along with a column on the elections."
Greg says, "We never should have subcontracted distribution to Harry &
David." saavik laughs.
Michael-1 says, "is their reputation that bad? I've had huge problems with
them getting shipments right but I didn't they had well known repuation for
it...." saavik says, "we really subcontracted to harry & david? I thought
that was a joke?" Greg says, "Yes, it was a joke."
Greg says, "A very weak joke. :)"
saavik laughs.
saavik says, "ok, so what is our realistic deadline?" DaveW says, "July
1st?"
Greg says, "Well, is there a deadline for return of nominations printed on
the nominating ballot?" Greg says, "(Not that I have an opinion on this
subject, since I have a conflict of interest.:)" Michael-1 has to run away
for the evening..... saavik just got a phone call IRL, but she will be
right back. Greg says, "Eeek! The telephone bells are breakin" Greg says,
"... breakin' up that ol' gang o' mine!" Michael-1 says, "hmm.... well, it
looks like its my turn for the Asian tour..." Greg says, "Asian tour?"
Michael-1 says, "Tokyo, Soul and Beijing all in two weeks..." Scottyg says,
"I may be in Korea myself in two or three weeks." Michael-1 says, "My trip
is in July...." saavik hmms.
saavik says, "do we need to reschedule?" Michael-1 says, "on my account?"
saavik says, "scotty"
Scottyg says, "Mine *might* be June 8 - 15 or thereabouts, but isn't firm
yet." Scottyg says, "The 15th was mentioned as a target date, but I have
another trip the 15-20th, so the Korea trip would have to be before that."
Scottyg says, "So its likely I'll miss at least one meeting next month."
Scottyg says, "I'm not sure there's any easy way to schedule around it."
Michael-1 says, "sad... they found Chandra Levy's remains...." Severy says,
"Yup, it's been all over the news around here today" Michael-1 says, "ok,
gotta run... was there anything else you guys needed from me tongiht?" Greg
says, "I think that was it, Michael." Greg says, "Thanks1"
Greg says, "!, too"
Michael-1 says, "thanks guys... cya!"
Michael-1 has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to remove Michael-1. Greg says, "So, what else is
on our agenda for tonight?" saavik says, "brb - andy needs my computer"
dcarson says, "I think thats it"
Greg says, "So it's back to webdav follies and other mysteries!" Scottyg
says, "I want to mention one thing..." dcarson says, "Erik did some
testing. One built on pb7 works, he also ran the debug one I sent and I
need to look at the error log." Scottyg says, "There has been a severe
fall-off in new memberships this month." Greg says, "Severe?"
dcarson says, "do we have a moon society flier for me to put out at
Balticon this weekend?" Scottyg says, "I don't know if that is just an
aberration or something of major concern, but I feel that we need to show
our members that they are getting more than a newsletter for their money."
Scottyg says, "Greg, like about 5 memberships in the last 30 days, vs about
215 to 20 normal level." Scottyg says, "oops, 15 to 20"
Greg says, "Hmm... I wonder if that means we've reached market saturation
with Moon Sims or something." Greg says, "Or maybe it's just that there
hasn't been much Moon Sims news to attract attention." Greg says, "Nah...
it's not lack of publicity in that arena." Scottyg says, "Sims is fine and
well, but my concern is about Moon Society itself. We simply aren't doing
anything visible." Greg says, "Anyhow, yes, the Moon Society certainly
needs to be something more than a subscription pipeline for the Lunar
Reclamation Society." irs arrives.
DaveW says, "the new issue looks great Ian" Greg says, "My point there was
that our ONLY source of publicity is Moon Sims." Greg says, "And publicity
is what gets new members." Greg says, "Having interesting projects is what
keeps members." Scottyg says, "So my challenge to this group is...think
about ways to create the public impression of activity. The substance isn't
of too much importance. We need to think like sales people on this issue."
Scottyg says, "The impression will draw in action-oriented people and
provide the pool needed to do things." Scottyg says, "The research grant is
a move in the right direction, but will take too long to grow fruit. We
need some shorter-term activity to show." DaveW says, "has any thought been
given to finding a new Newsmonger? " Severy says, "John Schrock is itching
to get some things done with Project Leto, but he needs an official
overseer to make sure he doesn't veer off in the wrong direction" Greg
says, "Do we have reason to fear that he will head off in the wrong
direction?" Severy says, "Not that I can tell"
Greg says, "So... the thing to do would be to ask John to outline a project
plan, then critique and approve it, and put him in charge of the project."
Greg says, "(At which time, if our luck holds as it has in the past, he
will disappear and we'll be left holding the bag.)" Severy chuckles.
Severy says, "How true!"
irs says, "Thanks, Dave."
dcarson says, "Ian if you email me a master for Artemis magazine I'll put
them out at Balticon this weekend" irs says, "Sorry I was late; helping Mom
and Dad get ready to leave early tomorrow morning." irs says, "that again,
Dana?"
Severy says, "A quote from John in a conversation about that this morning:
"But i have concerns about a any improper use of ASI , that may come up ,
with out me knowing why, Its why i have lots of ?"" dcarson says, "email me
a flier and I'll run some off and put them out this weekend at Balticon"
Greg says, "So... we could drag John into the Leadership Council where he
could ask all the questions that come to mind." Severy says, "Yup, that
might work"
Greg says, "Define a position that gives him some authority. Like Project
Leto Development Coordinator." Severy says, "In a way, he's the opposite of
a loose cannon, he's afraid of stepping on toes, which given our history
isn't necessarily a bad trait to have ;-)" irs says, "Ah, OK. What format
do you need the flyer in, Dana?" Greg says, "Buget: $3. Authority: To
recruit, organize, define Project Leto." Severy laughs.
Greg says, "Dana asked a question way up topic -- do we have a Moon Society
flyer?" Greg says, "I seem to recall that we did, at one time." Scottyg
says, "Not anything in my possession." Severy says, "Ok, I'll talk to John
about it the next time I see him around" irs says, "I have a Moon Society
flyer. I retyped the pretty one with pictures (my version has no pictures,
but the new address)." Greg says, "We could also give him access to the WSD
system where he could work on web pages for Project Leto. Valuable
communication tool." Greg says, "Any flyer might be better than no flyer at
Balticon! :)" Scottyg says, "Randall, the most efficient approach would be
to ask him to prepare a short description of what he wants to do and
distribute to the BOD, then invite him to a meeting." Greg says, "Ian, can
you get that flyer to Dana?" dcarson says, "PDF, word, whatever"
Severy says, "Sounds like the right approach, Scotty" Greg says, "I agree,
Scotty."
Scottyg says, "That way we'll have a chance to think it over first." Greg
says, "And Randall volunteered to be the contact with John. :)" Scottyg
says, "Assure him that we'll forgive stepping on toes as long as he isn't
pedantic." Severy says, "I didn't have much time to follow it closely, but
I gather he got some useful things done with that flyer for ISDC" Scottyg
says, "(As in Simon.)"
Severy says, "I know he's not afraid to pester people for input ;-)" Greg
says, "And as long as he doesn't rewrite my essays so that they don't read
like socialist manifestos." Severy laughs.
Scottyg says, "LOL."
Severy says, "Although our boy Simon is turning into quite the capitalist
lately!" Scottyg says, "Or NASA blowoffs."
Greg says, "erm... do read, I think."
Greg says, "Yeah, that, too."
Greg says, "Geez... especially not now! I have an office full of
astronauts!" Scottyg says, "Simon is growing up."
Severy says, "I've been having a lot of fun watching his change in
orientation lately ;-)" irs says, "Dana, I can send you the Moon Society
flyer and an Artemis Magazine flyer as pdf files tonight. The magazine
flyer is 5.5 x 8.5. I usually photocopy them two to a page and then cut
them in half." irs says, "Office full of astronauts?"
Scottyg says, "I roomed with him at the Moon Society conference. Even then,
he had moderated a lot." Greg says, "Yup. We're working on a project with
NASA, but that's not for publication." Severy says, "Yeah, he had changed a
lot by then I noticed" irs says, "Seems nothing ever is. You gotta give me
something for publication at some point, Greg <g>." Greg says, "Ian, we're
having terrific weather in Las Vegas! :) :) :)" Severy laughs.
dcarson thwaps Greg with a rolled-up newspaper. "Bad! Bad! Bad!!!" Greg
says, "Oh, and Marsha Ivins makes cheesecake so outrageously good that it
could start a religion." dcarson says, "OK Ian will be expecting them"
Scottyg says, "The price of eggs is up in China." Greg says, "Well hey, at
least there's some space interest in the cheesecake. Marsha is an
astronaut!" dcarson says, "Astronaut cookbook?"
Greg says, "What a good idea!"
irs says, "Astronaut Marsha Ivins is making you cheesecake?! And you didn't
invite me?! Grrr!" irs says, "I love good cheesecake."
Greg says, "Well, I think her double-chocolate cheesecake is illegal in New
York." Greg says, "She had to smuggle it into Nevada in the hold of a
T-38." irs says, "Oh, man, you're making me jealous. Gimme a job so I can
be enjoying all this, too." Scottyg says, "I take it she didn't bring a lot
in that case." Greg says, "Two cheesecakes. It was Bob's birthday." Scottyg
says, "I had some good cheesecake for supper tonight. You're invited Ian."
Greg says, "In a special carrying bag -- duplicate of the one that they
made for transportation of IMAX film aboard the space shuttle. :)" irs
says, "Aarrgghh! Cheesecake in Texas and Nevada, and none for poor little
me. All I've got is this here magazine." Greg says, "Ah, food for the mind!"
Greg says, "OK, so... how do we convert this into a project for the Moon
Society?" Scottyg says, "Mine was cherry-chocolate." irs says, "I'm a
purist. Prefer plain (but good) New York cheesecake, but I'm not
doctrinaire about it." Scottyg says, "project == cookbook?"
saavik says, "I need to head out folks... action items for me?" saavik
says, "(you seem to have drifted anyway)" Scottyg says, "if ($project ==
"cookbook") {" Scottyg says, "Fill in the blanks;"
Scottyg says, "}"
Scottyg says, "Sorry, my mind is working in scrip just now." saavik laughs.
dcarson says, "on the admin page Scotty you might want to make the password
fileds pasword instead of text so the password isn't echoed" dcarson says,
"fields"
dcarson says, "have a fun graduation this weekend Amy" Scottyg says, "I
think we're just gonna take the password out." Scottyg says, "Even a
password field shows in the page source." saavik says, "thanks Dana"
saavik says, "ok, talk to you all in 2 weeks" saavik says, "(and on email)"

-- End log: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 10:57:28 pm ASI Meeting Server time --