-- Start log: Wednesday, November 6, 2002 8:57:20 pm ASI Meeting Server time --

dcarson says, "helo"
saavik says, "hello all"
john-r says, "Hi Dana"
Greg-1 says, "Dana! Did you get my note about the Bigelow Aerospace
domains?" Michael says, "yep! lots of trusses for sale by defunct bands!"
Severy-4 says, "I like the transporter, Amy!" john-r bows in the
prsence(sp) of the space travler saavik says, "Thanks Randall 4 :-)"
john-r says, "Evening Greg"
dcarson says, "yes Greg, will switch them over" Greg-1 says, "Thanks, Dana.
It's kind of urgent because Roger has been on my case about it all day. You
know the litany: Never give an IT Nazi an excuse." Michael reads the
meeting agenda
Greg-1 says, "Where is the meeting agenda?" Severy-4 says, "Ok, let's get
this show on the road" Michael says, "read agenda"
Greg-1 reads the meeting agenda
Severy-4 says, "The meeting agenda is available at
http://www.moonsociety.org/private/leaders/agenda.html" Severy-4 says, "Or
a text view is available here" Severy-4 reads the meeting agenda
saavik says, "whee"
Severy-4 says, "Hmm, that translated pretty well ;-)" dcarson says, "OK
will do the DNS swap tonight and see how long it takes netsol to swap info"
dcarson reads the meeting agenda
Greg-1 says, "Thanks, Dana. :)"
Michael says, "so who wants to be chairman o' da board?" Greg-1 says, "So,
are we open for nominations now?" Greg-1 says, "I nominate Randall Severy
for chairman of the board." saavik says, "I nominate Randall"
saavik says, "oh, second"
saavik reads the meeting agenda
Severy-4 bangs a very large gavel
Michael says, "yea,me too"
Greg-1 says, "Move nominations be closed!" Severy-4 says, "Second?"
saavik says, "second"
saavik says, "can I second?"
saavik says, "I am not on the board :-)" Greg-1 says, "Oops."
Greg-1 says, "That's right. We need a bored member to say "second.""
Michael says, "second"
Severy-4 says, "All in favor?"
Greg-1 says, "aye"
Michael says, "yes, we're all in favor....." Scottyg has arrived.
irs arrives.
Severy-4 says, "Hi, Scotty and Ian!"
dcarson says, "aye"
saavik says, "Does the board even have quorom?" Severy-4 says, "I'm being
drafted again ;-)" Scottyg says, "Hi all!"
Severy-4 says, "It does now!"
Greg-1 says, "Scotty, Ian, say "aye" and we stick Randall with the job of
board chairman.," saavik says, "Scotty and Ian - vote yes or nay for
Randall for board" irs says, "Hi Gang. I may be a bit, uh, distracted for a
little while." irs says, "Sorry. Didn't even think that was a question,
Greg. Of COURSE we stick Randall with the job: he's so good at it. Aye."
Scottyg says, "Aye rom here too."
Greg-1 says, "Yeah!"
Severy-4 blushes
Greg-1 says, "That's it, Randall! You're STUCK!" Severy-4 says, "Ok, motion
passes, I guess I'm stuck with it ;-)" Severy-4 says, "Next board agenda
item: term lengths" Severy-4 says, "I don't remember exactly how this is
supposed to work" saavik says, "One person was supposed to be chosen at
random to only be a year term" saavik says, "that is what my notes say,
anyway." Greg-1 says, "Sounds good to me!"
saavik says, "So we shuld assign numbers to each of the new members and
then have someone pick a random number" saavik says, "I can get java to do
it?" Severy-4 says, "We've got a pair of dice here somewhere..." Greg-1
says, "First list the candidates, Amy" Greg-1 says, "roll 1d7"
Michael rolls 1d5 = 4.
Greg-1 says, "dice 1d7"
Greg-1 says, "How did you do that, Michael?" Michael rolls 1d5 = 3.
Severy-4 rolls 1d5 = 4.
saavik says, "I have to look it all up" Severy-4 says, "Try "roll dice""
Michael says, "just said "roll dice""
Greg-1 says, "roll dice 1d7"
Michael rolls 1d5 = 4.
Greg-1 rolls 1d5 = 3.
saavik says, "Michael, Greg, Arthur, Scotty, Peter?" saavik says, "Is that
all?"
saavik says, "(for the new ones, that is)" Michael says, "I'll be number 3"
saavik rolls 1d5 = 4.
saavik says, "Let's do them in alphabetical order:" Greg-1 says, "Good."
Michael rolls 1d5 = 5.
Scottyg says, "I'm not a board member." Greg-1 says, "Then you can roll the
Official Die, Amy." saavik says, "YOu sure Scotty?"
Greg-1 says, "Oh, right."
Greg-1 says, "Amy, that's right. Scotty is an ex-officio member because
he's Treasurer." Scottyg says, "That how I recall the vote coming out Amy."
Greg-1 says, "But *mumble* edged him out somewhere around the 39th ballot."
saavik says, "oh, sorry...."
Scottyg says, "And that actually pleases me since it expands the size of
this group." saavik says, "hold on then"
Greg-1 says, "So the board consists of the continuing members... Dana and
Ian" saavik says, "Randall Severy, Chairman (term expires 2004)" saavik
says, "Gregory Bennett (term expires 2004)"

saavik says, "Arthur Smith                   (term expires 2004)"
saavik says, "Peter Kokh                     (term expires 2004)"
saavik says, "Michael Mealling               (term expires 2004)"

saavik says, "Turns our Randall was re-elected this time :-)" saavik says,
"Ok, so in order:"
saavik says, "Gregory Bennett"
saavik says, "Peter Kokh"
saavik says, "Michael Mealling "
saavik says, "Randall Severy"
saavik says, "Arthur Smith "
saavik rolls 1d5 = 4.
Greg-1 says, "That's Randall?"
saavik says, "Ok, Randall wins... Guess he gets re-elected again next
year!" Severy-4 says, "Ok"
Greg-1 says, "That'll work."
saavik says, "Ok, so noted"
Greg-1 says, "roll dice 99"
saavik says, "Randall, onto next?"
Greg-1 says, "How the HECK do you roll a 1d4?" Severy-4 says, "Ok, any
other business before the board tonight?" Greg-1 says, "I think that's it,
Randall." Greg-1 says, "Move we adjourn the board and get on with the
Leadership Council." Michael reads the meeting agenda
Severy-4 says, "Second"
Severy-4 says, "All in favor?"
Greg-1 says, "aye"
dcarson says, "aye"
Severy-4 says, "Aye"
Michael says, "aye"
Severy-4 says, "Thwap!"
Severy-4 says, "This board meeting is adjourned" Severy-4 says, "Ok, on to
the Leadership Council stuff" Greg-1 hands the large trout back to Randall.
Severy-4 says, "Has everyone read my diatribe on Sunday about responding to
help desk questions?" Greg-1 says, "I saw a diatribe about that. Was it on
Sunday?" saavik says, "I read it"
saavik says, "I guess I should answer my messages for the week :-)" Michael
says, "Sunday was a bad day.... " dcarson says, "didn't actually reply to
any but closed and merged several" irs says, "Haven't gotten to Sunday's
mail yet (or Saturday's, for that matter). Workin' on it." Severy-4 says,
"Ok, is that something we can keep up with?" Greg-1 says, "That's very
helpful, Dana. It saves lots of time." Severy-4 says, "Ian, you're kind of
on the hot seat about that stuff, any chance of you catching up on mail
anytime soon?" irs says, "Working on it. Seriously hoping to be up-to-date
by the end of tomorrow." Severy-4 says, "Unfortunately, requests for
interviews seem to have the shortest deadlines, we need a reliable way of
getting your attention in a short amount of time..." irs says, "And yeah, I
know I owe you some templates. That's at the top of the list." irs says,
"Interview request?! Son of a.... I usually get a chance to at least look
through my mail daily. This week has been exceptional." irs says, "I've
downloaded everything through this afternoon, and it's waiting for me on my
own hard drive." Severy-4 says, "Ok, there was a follow-up e-mail about
assigning action items from incoming e-mails in today's mail" Severy-4
says, "There are almost a dozen requests for interviews in the backlogged
mail in Help Director, Ian" Severy-4 says, "Or at least quite a few, I
don't remember exactly how many" irs says, "Great. We set up the pr
addresses specifically to get them straight to me." Severy-4 says, "Yeah,
but people rarely remember the right address to send them to :-(" irs says,
"I'll go through what I've got. Are those backlogged requests being
forwarded to me, or do I have to go looking for them?" saavik says,
"Randall, How come I can't see messages? Do I have to turn popups on
again?" Severy-4 says, "That's the big lesson we learned with the general
mail backlog, we haven't been publicizing those addresses for years but
people still send email to them" Arthur arrives.
Arthur says, "Hi all!"
Severy-4 says, "We can assign them to you, Ian, that was the subject of
today's e-mail on that topic" dcarson says, "any I see I'l assign to you
Ian, I assume everyone else will also" Severy-4 says, "Welcome, Arthur!"
Arthur says, "I was at the mercy of dinner companions - just got back in"
Greg-1 says, "Evening, Arthur! What you missed: Randall is chairman of the
board, and will be serving the 1-year term." Arthur says, "Sounds good!"
Arthur says, "Any sign of Peter Kokh?"
Severy-4 says, "Not yet, can someone give him a phone call?" irs says,
"Does "assign them to me" mean they wind up in my in-box, or does that mean
I have to go find them on the web site? (And yes, I'll read today's
e-mail.)" saavik says, "I just found an interview request and assigned it
to you Ian" Severy-4 says, "I just got an e-mail from Peter, he's having
trouble logging on" Arthur says, "I just checked my email - Peter was
trying to get on..." Arthur says, "Ah, yes"
Severy-4 says, "When someone assigns an e-mail thread to you, they can send
you an automatic e-mail about it" Greg-1 says, "Here's Peter's number:
414-342-0705" Arthur says, "Randall, can you get him his password? Did it
change with the merge of the ASI/Moonsoc databases?" saavik says, "I told
it to send you email" john-r says, "If i rem, Peter has 2 paww words"
Michael says, "112.00"
Michael says, "doh"
Severy-4 says, "He's using the same password as before, it *should* work"
Michael says, "(cost for one 10 foot section of aluminum trusswork)"
Severy-4 says, "Good guess, Arthur, it looks like his ASI password was
different than his Moonsoc password" Severy-4 says, "Let me reset it"
Greg-1 says, "He's in."
Severy-4 says, "Ok, Peter just arrived" Arthur says, "So, we're talking
about the help desk" kokhmmm arrives.
Severy-4 says, "Yup, is everyone ok with the plan I laid out on Sunday?"
saavik says, "There he is"
Severy-4 says, "Can we keep that going?" john-r says, "Hi Peter"
kokhmmm says, "Hi John"
saavik says, "I think it is a great idea" dcarson says, "seems like a
reasonable plan" Severy-4 says, "Ok, remember, I *will* be checking the log
files before each meeting" Michael can't seem to find that one in his
archive.... (must be the percoset) Severy-4 says, "For instance, since I
sent that e-mail, only Arthur and John have sent replies" Arthur says, "The
main helpdir box I've been looking at is "info" - I know John is doing
"web" stuff - can we get somebody on "membership"?" Severy-4 says, "Sunday
11/3/02 12:31:46 EST subject: Moon Society Help Desk" kokhmmm says, "I'll
put it on my to do list. I have been busy 16 hours a day" Severy-4 says,
"Membership is the fourth agenda item, that's a top priority" kokhmmm says,
"We not only have to build membership, we have to work harder to retain
members." dcarson says, "keeping is better then getting, less cost and
effort" Severy-4 says, "Ok, it's forwarded, Michael" Michael says, "in
order to get and/or keep you have to provide something of value...." saavik
says, "Next item?"
Severy-4 says, "Yup, our reputation for responsiveness is lower than low at
the moment, we need to correct that as soon as possible" kokhmmm says,
"With new members we have to get them up to speed. With existing members,
we have to show them we are getting somewhere" Arthur says, "Hey, I
responded to a few people within a week of their message :-)" saavik says,
"I just picked one from a few months ago..." saavik says, "What do we do
with the ones we have no idea about?" Severy-4 says, "Ok, on to the next
agenda item: Team and Mailing List infrastructure" Severy-4 says, "Oops,
back to Help Desk for a moment ;-)" Michael reads the meeting agenda
Severy-4 says, "If you have no idea, Amy, ask around and try to find
someone who can take ownership of it" dcarson says, "Scotty do we assign
ones who ask about if they're check has been processed to you?" Arthur
says, "Under info, I created a template with some "how to get involved"
information - that pointed out artemis-list and the MOO - should we be
advertising those more directly to new members?" Severy-4 says, "That's the
Membership agenda item, Dana ;-)" dcarson says, "OK"
saavik says, "Yes, I just used your template Arthur - thanks!" Severy-4
says, "Part of the next agenda iteam, Arthur, is getting the infrastructure
in place to have a lot more to point them at" Scottyg says, "Dana, lets
save that for the moment." Severy-4 says, "Ok, anything else on Help Desk
for the moment?" Arthur says, "The other thing I thought would be helpful
with the info requests is a real FAQ" Arthur says, "I'll send around by
email a list of questions that seem to be frequently asked under info - we
can either make template responses or point people to a FAQ I think."
Severy-4 says, "Good idea, Arthur!"
saavik nods.
kokhmmm says, "I like the FAQ idea. We have one about the Artemis Project,
we need to have one about membership nd involvement" dcarson says, "yep"
kokhmmm says, "I'd like to contribute to writing that because there have to
be more options than electronic involvement and that leads to chapter and
outpost activities" john-r note:As it relates to where to put the FAQ, i
will have ? on the last agenda item Greg-1 says, "Peter, yes. Chapters!
Outposts!" Arthur says, "emailed my list of questions to the board"
Severy-4 says, "Yup, we can collectively work on the FAQ on the leaders
list" saavik says, "great"
john-r says, "Arthur can you also e-mail to yje leaders list?" Arthur says,
"Oops, let me try leaders" Severy-4 says, "Ok, let's move on in the agenda
so that we're not here all night ;-)" Michael reads the meeting agenda
Severy-4 says, "Next item is the Team and Mailing List infrastructure"
Michael says, "which one are we on now?" Severy-4 says, "I was hoping Mike
Delaney could be here to help talk about it, but I didn't give him enough
notice of his participation in the meeting, so I'm on my own ;-)" Severy-4
says, "Anyway, as most of you know, I've been working heavily over the past
two weeks on a new member section of
moonsociety.org:www.moonsociety.org/mymoon
<ftp://moonsociety.org/www.moonsociety.org/mymoon> " john-r says, "i ahve
seen it, and like it" john-r says, "have"
Arthur says, "Yup, nice last time I looked!" Severy-4 says, "As the
implementation of the help desk last meeting highlighted the backlog of
questions, this implementation highlighted the severe disorganization of
our current teams and mailing lists" kokhmmm says, "I know about it but
haven't seen it. Where is it?" Severy-4 says, "So Mike and I are embarking
on a complete overhaul of the current teams and mailing lists" Severy-4
says, "Go to http://www.moonsociety.org/mymoon, Peter" Severy-4 says, "In
preparation for that overhaul, I need some feedback on several works of
creative writing...." saavik says, "Wow, nice page"
saavik says, "Randall, why does it say that I have no open support tickets?
isn't that the helpdesk stuff? because I just answered/owned one of the
threads" Severy-4 says, "The first step in the overhaul will be individual
contact with each current team leader to find out if a) they still exist,
and b) if they still want to be a team leader" Severy-4 says, "The open
support tickets, Amy, are questions *you* sent in, not ones that you own or
answered" Severy-4 says, "That contact will be done with the following
e-mail template:" Severy-4 says, "
http://www.moonsociety.org/cgi-bin/helpdir/helpdir?ViewTemplate=Go&Template=/lists/leader-verify.msg&Popup=Yes"
Michael can't wait until we can use the calendar and gant charts to do real
project and resource planning.... Severy-4 says, "Yup, me too, Michael!"
Greg-1 says, "Calendar? Gant charts?"
Severy-4 says, "I'd like any feedback on that e-mail template before Mike
starts sending out the messages, probably in the next few days" saavik
says, "oh!"
dcarson says, "programmer types may want to look at
http://www.phprojekt.com/ for stuff Randall will add" Severy-4 says, "I can
set up folks with login accounts there, but at a different time, shall we
stick to the agenda, please? ;-)" Severy-4 says, "The main thing I need
contributions for is the "Team Leader Responsibilities" web page referenced
in that e-mail template, which can be found at
http://www.moonsociety.org/teams/leader-responsibilities.html" Severy-4
says, "I started throwing things on it this afternoon, but I need more
suggestions for what to put on it" saavik just got a phone call IRL, but
she will be right back. Severy-4 says, "For those team leaders who confirm
that they want to remain team leaders, they'll get this e-mail template
next:" Severy-4 says, "
http://www.moonsociety.org/cgi-bin/helpdir/helpdir?ViewTemplate=Go&Template=/lists/leader-confirm.msg&Popup=Yes"
dcarson says, "add squash flamewars and major off topic discussions"
dcarson says, "add post summeries to leadership list" kokhmmm says, "second
Dana's idea"
Severy-4 [to leadership]: list, Dana? Or to artemis-list? Severy-4 says,
"To leadership list, Dana? Or to artemis-list?" Arthur says, "The list
seems somewhat reactive - I would start the list of responsibilities with
something like "have a vision for what the team can accomplish, and commit
to achievable goals" or something like that..." kokhmmm says, "leadership
list I will read. gave up on the noise level on artemis list" dcarson says,
"either, us if we might not want it on the open list, don't think we have
any in that state though" Severy-4 says, "Well, hopefully we can do
something about that noise level on artemis list, Peter" dcarson says,
"both wouldn't hurt, ccing is easy" Arthur says, "Maybe not commit, but
something that indicates some positive action and effort..." Severy-4 says,
"Except when they're not members of the list, they'll all bounce" dcarson
says, "need a in only address for things like that" Arthur says, "Also,
while having an automated confirmation message is nice, I would suggest
each team leader who confirms should also have one of us send a personal
message of support and thanks..." Arthur says, "Probably every active team
should have at least one of this group on it (I suspect a lot of us are
already on many of the teams)" john-r says, "good point Arthur"
Severy-4 says, "I can post a list of who confirms, Arthur, and we can work
through it" Arthur says, "That would do it, thanks Randall" Severy-4 says,
"Ok, any other suggestions for the leader responsibilities list or the two
e-mail templates?" Arthur says, "The email templates look good to me"
Severy-4 says, "Once we have the teams back in a semblance of working
order, we can unveil the /mymoon stuff and the companion teams list and
begin pointing people at the remaining active teams" Severy-4 says, "Ok,
anything else to discuss about the Team and Mailing List Infrastructure
stuff tonight?" Arthur says, "Sounds great!"
saavik says, "back"
john-r says, "does the team reorganize - differ for ASI and MoonSociety?"
Severy-4 says, "We're tackling both at the same time, John" john-r says,
"in that there are 2 knids of teams" john-r says, "2 kinds, as in the ASI
Project and Moon Soc Projects" Severy-4 says, "True, but procedurally they
work the same way" john-r says, "understood"
dcarson says, "and its less workload to deal with them as one thing"
Severy-4 says, "As part of the overhaul, some of the ASI teams will be
moving to the Moon Society" Severy-4 says, "And many will be marked as
inactive if no one steps forward as a team leader" john-r says, "and some
as in chapters will be merging, right?" Severy-4 says, "All of the chapter
teams are moving from ASI to Moon Society" Greg-1 says, "Right."
john-r says, "ok, thata all the ? on that item for me." Severy-4 says, "And
we'll be getting to chapters very soon in the agenda ;-)" Severy-4 says,
"Ok, next up is PR"
Severy-4 says, "I think we mostly covered this earlier" kokhmmm says, "What
about the chapters.asi.org/ websites. Will they shift to
chapters.moonsociety.org/ ?" Severy-4 says, "Yes, Peter, they'll all move"
Scottyg reads the meeting agenda
Greg-1 says, "That's a good idea, Peter." Arthur says, "I thought
membership was next?" kokhmmm says, "I like that. "
Severy-4 says, "Ian, all PR-related questions should be forwarded to you,
correct?" Severy-4 says, "Revised agenda, Greg"
Severy-4 says, "http://www.moonsociety.org/private/leaders/agenda.html"
Severy-4 says, "or 'read agenda' in here" Greg-1 reloads the agenda
john-r reads the meeting agenda
Severy-4 says, "We added some stuff since it was first posted..." irs says,
"Correct. I take care of them as they arrive in my in-box (except for the
last few days). That's how we got those radio interviews, the Village Voice
article, and so on." irs reads the meeting agenda
Arthur reads the meeting agenda
dcarson reads the meeting agenda
Arthur says, "Ah, I was wondering what that meant..." Severy-4 says, "Ok,
so everyone who monitors the mailboxes in Help Director should assign Ian
as the owner of any PR-related messages and make sure to use the send
e-mail option to inform him of it" DaveW arrives.
DaveW says, "hi all sorry I am lated"
Arthur says, "I think that's been working well, except for those lost info
requests that were for interviews..." john-r says, "Hi Dave"
Severy-4 says, "Hi, Dave!"
kokhmmm says, "i, Dave"
Arthur says, "i.e. yes Randall, sounds like a plan!" DaveW says, "had to
run to the store for fomula for the little one" irs says, "Yes, Randall.
That would be great." Severy-4 says, "We'll go through the old interview
e-mails and send them to Ian, and he can decide which ones are too old to
bother with" irs says, "I'll let them down easy, or deal with them if
they're still up for it." Arthur says, "Ian do you check email several
times a day? Should somebody be on standby PR duty if you're away for a
bit?" Severy-4 says, "We got that one request a few days ago that needed a
response within 24 hours, we need a procedure to deal with those" Michael
reads the meeting agenda
kokhmmm says, "we should have an automatic reply that gives a phone number
for such interview requests" Severy-4 says, "The problem, Peter, is that
they don't come into a consistent place" irs says, "Generally, I check my
e-mail daily. This week has been exceptional. And yes, I'm comfortable
giving out my phone number for urgent requests." Severy-4 says, "If they
come to the PR address, we can have such a reply, but otherwise we'd need
to include that phone number on all autoreplies to all mailboxes" Arthur
says, "Probably don't want it posted on the website though?" irs says,
"When I'm heading out of town, I'd be happy to let someone else know, or to
put an away message on the system (if you teach me how)." Severy-4 says,
"We've had requests for interviews to info@moonsociety.org, help@asi.org,
membership@asi.org, etc." Arthur says, "Is there a PR address?"
irs says, "I'd rather not post my phone number on the website, but if
someone comes looking for it, sure; it's pretty much everywhere anyway."
Severy-4 says, "We probably should set up a separate PR mailbox in Help
Director" Severy-4 says, "It can autoforward to Ian, as the current alias
does" irs says, "pr@tlrc.com, and pr-asi@tlrc.com, I think. Do we have a
pr@asi.org?" irs says, "Of course, defer to Randall who knows what's going
on." kokhmmm says, "and a PR address under contact info" Scottyg says,
"Randall, perhaps one way to minimize that is to put up some very prominent
contact info." john-r says, "in the new contacts page" Severy-4 says, "Yes,
I agree that we need to publicize the correct contact addresses better,
Scotty, but the big backlog showed us that not everyone uses that info :-("
dcarson says, "maybe an autoreply to info and help that list the more
detailed addresses to use? like pr and memberships etc?" Severy-4 says,
"Yup, that would be a good thing, Dana" Severy-4 says, "Ian's working on
those autoreply templates, right, Ian? ;-)" dcarson says, "also make it
clear who we are, I saw one peorson that sent several messages to what had
to be the wrong domain" Scottyg says, "Or put more explicit contact
addresses on the contact page." irs says, "Yes, Randall."
Severy-4 says, "Yes, the autoreplies should help with that, Dana" Scottyg
says, "How about this...."
Scottyg says, "We establish a number of "standard" mailboxes." Scottyg
says, "Any inquiries to thos go to the appropriate Help Director mailbox."
Severy-4 says, "I think we've done that already" Scottyg says, "Mail to any
undefined mailbox sends an autoreply directing them to the contacts page?"
Severy-4 says, "asi.org has an undefined autoresponder already, but
moonsociety.org does not, we can set one up" Severy-4 says, "But we don't
actually get much moonsociety.org mail to undefined addresses, unlike
asi.org which is constantly bombarded" dcarson says, "I think the undefined
autoreply should have the main contact email addresses in it" Arthur says,
"So should there be an autoreply from the pr mailbox with Ian's phone
number in it? And also those messages cc'ed to Ian and alternates?" dcarson
says, "asl.org is the Americian School in London, get lots of contact from
colleges replying to students that can't write clearly" Severy-4 says,
"Yes, Arthur, to both questions" john-r says, "is it fair for interviews,
to have a cgi form, that requires a phone number? and have the form on the
contact page?" Severy-4 says, "Anyone can subscribe to the PR mailbox to
act as a backup to Ian" Arthur says, "Is the pr mailbox there already, or
you're setting it up soon?" Severy-4 says, "Forms are fine as an
alternative, John, but I don't think they can be required, a lot people
still prefer regular e-mail" john-r says, "ty Randall"
Severy-4 says, "It's not there yet, Arthur, I'll get it set up tonight or
tomorrow" Arthur says, "Ok, thanks"
Severy-4 says, "Ok, anything else on PR tonight?" irs says, "If someone
wants to be back-up, we can deal with it privately. Let me know." Michael
reads the meeting agenda
Severy-4 says, "Ok, moving on to Membership Committee" kokhmmm says, "ON PR
- Don't we have a PR op coming up? announcement about the Flag
competition?" Severy-4 says, "Do we have someone who can coordinate the
flag competition?" john-r says, "a new competion, or the current one we are
to announce this month?" kokhmmm says, "It's announced on the /flag page
that the winner will be announced this month" john-r says, "thats what i
was refering to TY Peter" john-r says, "or do we have a new one planed?"
Severy-4 says, "Umm, how old is that page?" john-r says, "oldddddd"
Arthur says, "So far I don't think we've actually gone out trying to push
our own PR - it's been more requess coming in the other direction..."
kokhmmm says, "At least a year old, ask Greg" john-r says, "in e-world time
anyway"
Severy-4 says, "I don't remember any discussion about the flag competition
in a long, long time, so my guess is that effort has stalled" irs says,
"No, we send out some press releases as well, but not a lot (the budget
isn't that high <wink wink>)." Severy-4 says, "Greg, what do you know of
the status of the flag competition?" Arthur says, "Did we get any entries?"
Greg-1 says, "Yes, I canceled the flag competition." Greg-1 says, "Two, I
think."
Greg-1 says, "It's ancient history now." Severy-4 says, "Well, that answers
that ;-)" Scottyg says, "The last update I had on it was that we only had
one or two entries, and i think it was canceled for lack of interest."
Scottyg says, "Ah, Greg was answering while I was typing." john-r says,
"Are we then talking of a new competion?, now or at the next meeting?"
Arthur says, "I think we should focus on getting the web site up to snuff
before starting new competitions like that..." Severy-4 says, "I'm not sure
if we have the resources to launch a new competition at the moment, we've
got our hands rather full" Michael nods....
kokhmmm says, "The Flag page is still up, though not linked to." Scottyg
says, "Yes - i would caution this group that its better to do a few things
well that a lot of things poorly." irs says, "We need, I think, a much
bigger publicity budget before we try running a big-time competition."
john-r says, "i agree with Scotty"
john-r says, "and Ian also, so on to next item?" Michael says, "once we get
some real forward motion a flag will handle itself...." Severy-4 says, "Ok,
shall we move on to Membership?" dcarson says, "when we have the resources
we want to run a contest, it is good PR but not now" Arthur says, "Move on
seconded"
Severy-4 says, "As I outlined in my original agenda e-mail: "We need an
active leader for our membership activities. Scotty is too busy and
Jennifer doesn't know enough about the organization to do the job.""
Scottyg says, "I've kind of been filling in (poorly) on membership, but
don't really have the time to do much with it." Arthur says, "Who is
Jennifer?"
Scottyg says, "Jennifer Day is a contract person who processes memberships
for us." john-r says, "Note to scotty-you did fine with mine back in feb
:)" Severy-4 says, "The most visible responsibility is monitoring the
Membership mailbox and answering membership questions" Severy-4 says, "At
the moment there really isn't a true "Membership Committee", so the role
we're looking for is more of a Membership Coordinator than a Chairman"
Scottyg says, "And I think the most important part of that is to be sure
that a new member that is interested in doing something gets routed to the
right place." john-r says, "And so far Tim has not shown up tonight"
Severy-4 says, "Yes, which will be a lot easier when we get the teams
reorganized" Arthur says, "I haven't looked a the membership box - what are
the questions most often asked?" Severy-4 says, "Tim Cadell is very
inactive at the moment, I don't think we can rely on him to be involved in
that area in any way" Michael reads the meeting agenda
dcarson says, "have we cahsed the check, processed the credit card yet, and
where is my poster" Severy-4 says, "The most common question I saw was "I
signed up for a membership, but haven't heard anything, what's the
status?"" Severy-4 says, "There were dozens of those" dcarson says, "plus
some change of address" Greg-1 says, "Do we need to speed up getting MMM to
them?" Arthur says, "So to answer those, somebody needs to have access to
the membership data directly, right? Who would that be now?" Severy-4 says,
"I don't remember seeing many references to MMM" Scottyg says, "Greg, there
isn't much delay." Michael thinks everyone here should be able to atleast
look at the membership data.... Scottyg says, "Its mostly me getting the
charges processed followed by Jennifer getting the database updated."
Scottyg says, "Once that happens, it goes to Peter in the next mail list."
Severy-4 says, "Most of the membership data is available in Team Director,
but there is also a need to be able to check on "in progress" stuff as
well" kokhmmm says, "How difficult would it be to create an electronic
membership card, something sent automatically as a pdf file that a new
member could print out and put in his/her wallet?" dcarson says, "I like
that Peter"
dcarson says, "need to decide on a logo first" kokhmmm says, "Yes, a logo
is long overdue." Scottyg says, "Occasionally we don't have an email
address." Severy-4 says, "We need someone to coordinate all of this stuff,
which gets back to the original topic ;-)" Severy-4 says, "So who can we
draft?"
Greg-1 says, "I like the logo on the bumper sticker" Severy-4 says, "Who
doesn't already have five titles next to their name?" Arthur says, "Still
not clear on the responsibilities - would this person be cashing checks,
processing credit card orders?" Scottyg says, "Oh - we need to reorder
bumper stickers." kokhmmm says, "What is the logo on the bumper sticker,
haven't seen it" Severy-4 says, "Arthur, Michael?"
Greg-1 says, "Really!"
Arthur says, "It's the moon in motion ..." Severy-4 says, "Scotty, how
difficult would it be for someone to contact Jennifer to find out if a
membership application is pending?" Scottyg says, "Arthur - Its probably
best for me to cash the checks since they arrive in the P.O. Box here."
Severy-4 says, "Without having to wait for thw two-week batch cycle?"
Arthur says, "So how do we answer the question ' have you cashed my
check?'" Scottyg says, "You ask me."
Scottyg says, "Or...You check the online registration database." Arthur
says, "Ok, I suppose that could be the first thing to do..." john-r says,
"is there a special url for online reg db?" Scottyg says, "I'm not sure who
has access to that." Scottyg says, "The URL is
https://www.moonsociety.org/admin/" Severy-4 says, "I don't either, I know
virtually nothing about it" john-r says, "and can several have read only
permissions?" Scottyg says, "As implemented, access is all or none."
Scottyg says, "I think the access list is the same as the HTTPS WSD" Arthur
says, "Well, my name was raised; I'm willing to try taking it on (if
Michael will answer more of the info questions...)" Severy-4 says, "Among
us here, the access list currently contains Dana, me, Scotty, and Greg"
Severy-4 says, "You're a good man, Arthur! (no matter what anyone else says
about you ;-))" Scottyg says, "Jim Burk originally set it up, and I've
revised and maintained it. Its mostly php scripts." john-r says, "how hard
is it to add a read only permission group? to the admin area" saavik says,
"The secretary would like to note that she is going to bed at 11pm... "
Severy-4 says, "I warned you we'd be running late, Amy ;-)" kokhmmm says,
"Amy, switch time zones!" john-r says, "Note to Amy-before you go , any
objections to blue web background? if we do not get to the web agenda item"
Scottyg says, "I think that would have to be created by the scripts
themselves. And we would have to redo some of the pages to prohibit display
of private or sensitive data like credit card numbers." irs says, "Move
east! I agree with Amy (and I've got days of e-mail to do after the
meeting)." Severy-4 says, "Until we can fiddle with the software, Arthur, I
guess you can ask Dana, Scotty, or me to look up pending details that
aren't already in Team Director" Severy-4 says, "Or Greg, if you can find
him ;-)" Arthur says, "Sounds ok. Already, Membership Coordinator is added
to the title list :-)" saavik says, "no, I like the blue best" john-r says,
"so a template to the admin people may be nice in help dir" Severy-4 says,
"Ok, have we beaten Membership to death for the night?" john-r [to Amy]: -
TY
Scottyg says, "I don't have any problem adding any Board Member to the
access list. Overall, I'd prefer to keep access to a minimum." Michael
reads the meeting agenda
dcarson pokes membership, it doesn't twitch john-r says, "did Arthur take
the membership lead?" dcarson says, "sounds like it"
Severy-4 says, "Ok, Scotty, shall we add Arthur to the access list, that
would simplify things?" Arthur says, "Yup"
Scottyg says, "Yep."
Arthur says, "Either way"
Severy-4 says, "Ok, good"
Severy-4 says, "Ok, moving on to Chapters Coordinator" Severy-4 says, "This
one is easier, since we already have a v/i/c/t/i/m/volunteer ;-)" Arthur
says, "I think Peter already volunteered (and has been taking it on
anyway)" john-r says, "I think Peter may be working on that area, Am i
correct Peter?" Severy-4 says, "Yup, thanks Peter!"
kokhmmm says, "I do what I love doing"
Severy-4 says, "Peter sent an e-mail to the list just before the meeting
with an outline of some of the things he's already been doing" kokhmmm
says, "I ccd to the leaders list just before the meeting" Severy-4 says,
"Peter, I'll ask Mike Delaney to coordinate things with you when he works
on moving the chapter web sites and mailing lists over to moonsociety.org"
kokhmmm says, "Thanks. Actually, there are only two "live" updated sites
anyway, Milw and oregon" Severy-4 says, "Should we try to re-activate the
chapters committee? or stick with individual contact for now?" Michael
says, "individual for now... keep it minimalist unless it grows rapidly"
john-r says, "The moonSOc has the chapters team, that i am current
leader-does that want to change?" Arthur says, "Oh yeah, I remember John
starting on that..." Severy-4 says, "That's the team I was referring to,
there are actually several, but they are all basically the same" Severy-4
says, "Several teams overlap pretty heavily..." kokhmmm says, "John, I'll
start reporting to the chapter team everything I do, and welcome input and
feedback" kokhmmm says, "John, let me know who is all on that team" john-r
says, "will do Peter, tormorrow." john-r says, "Team Dir has the list tho"
Severy-4 says, "John, are you ok with Peter taking over that team? Peter,
are you ok with being team leader for that team?" john-r says, "I am ok"
Severy-4 says, "Sheesh, moonsociety.org has the Chapters Council Team, the
Chapter Contacts Team, and the Chapters Team!" Severy-4 says, "No wonder
we're confused :-)" kokhmmm says, "I have volunteered to be coordinator.
That's a lot. If being team leader adds more action items, i'd have to
think about it." Greg-1 says, "Can you say "overkill"?"
john-r says, "And i will stay on the team, or i can remain leader , there
not been any actictivty, except what i started anyway, in the last 6 mths"
Severy-4 says, "Well, I guess the first thing to decide is the purpose of
the team, that will dictate who should be on it, and who should coordinate
the activities of the team" Arthur says, "Let's merge the three teams into
one, leave John as leader, and Peter as Chapters coordinator (how do we
tell Tim?)" kokhmmm says, "Let's consolidate those teams! See what the
overlap is." john-r says, "Peter i can star on as team leader, and you can
be on the list, and if the load gets to big i can bring ap at future
leadership meetings" john-r says, "stay=star"
Severy-4 says, "Ok, sounds good to me"
Severy-4 says, "Ok, anything else on Chapters tonight?" john-r says, "for
the short term, on the 3 teams, i can be leader for admin stuff, and keep
in touch with peter" Severy-4 says, "We'll consolidate them right away, as
part of the team reorganization" john-r says, "sounds good, those pages
will need an revision in the next week then, or sooner" kokhmmm says, "I
need to know what people think should be grounds for delisting a chapter or
contact person. About twenty of 31 are totally unresponsive. Should I
attempt to call them by phone first?" Scottyg says, "I think some of the
duplication happened because of "cloning" ASi to start up Moon Society."
Severy-4 says, "Yup, you're probably right, Scotty" Michael says, "if they
don't answer their email within two weeks that's enough" Severy-4 says, "A
phone call may be worth doing, Peter" Arthur says, "Peter, if they're not
current members, forward their contact info to me and I'll try to get hold
of them (as membership coordinator)?" Severy-4 says, "We've got a lot of
old e-mail addresses in the database, Michael, so you never know if someone
saw the message and ignored it or simply never got it at all" kokhmmm says,
"A lot of listed ocontacts do not seem to be current members. Can someone
double check the list for that?" john-r says, "reimbursement for phone
calls may be a item for future discussion, but i and take 1 third or half
of the calls for now" Severy-4 says, "Yes, that's the kind of thing Mike
Delaney will be doing in contacting team leaders" Arthur says, "Peter, I'm
volunteering to do that." Michael reads the meeting agenda
john-r says, "Peter i can help with the list cks" Arthur says, "And John
:-)"
Severy-4 says, "If you look closely at the first e-mail template I posted,
it includes a paragraph about renewing membership for those members who
have expired" Arthur says, "Divide the remaining 20 into 3 for each of us
to try to call?" kokhmmm says, "Thanks, I'llsend you my list of those who
are unresponsive" Severy-4 says, "Ok, next up on the agenda is the Space
Settlement Initiative" Severy-4 says, "Arthur, you added this one, want to
talk about it?" saavik says, "ok, it's 11pm... "
Arthur says, "Another of my items..."
kokhmmm says, "It appears to be dead for now" Arthur says, "10:55"
Arthur says, "The URL is http://www.spacesettlement.org/" Arthur says, "I
guess - should we ignore it, link to it, or "endorse" it somehow? What do
people here think?" john-r says, "The page was still up on ssi, a few weeks
ago, and Arthure has been in contact with wasser, and me as of today, in a
reply to heklp dir item under web page mail" kokhmmm says, "I think we
shoul go on record as supporting it, can't hurt" Arthur says, "I know
Wasser and Greg Nemitz have had some big arguments about it. Does that
bother us?" Severy-4 says, "I was curious about your contact, John, the
name on that e-mail was Dave Wasser, whereas Arthur has been talking to
Alan Wasser" Arthur says, "I think Dave is Alan's son?" john-r says, "I
have feelings that need discussed on some of the items, at a later date
-not tonight, but a link is a good way to start" Severy-4 says, "That's
what I suspected, Arthur, but I wasn't sure" Arthur says, "Wasser wrote a
nice long piece for Ad Astra a couple of months ago." john-r says, "Dave
and Alan, i will have to check, but that can be latter" Arthur says, "Does
anybody object to a link somewhere on a FAQ or other side page for now?"
irs says, "Alan Wasser who was talking about "we have to set up a system
for ownership of land on the Moon before we go there" at the Las Vegas
conference?" dcarson says, "seems to be"
Arthur says, "That's the one"
kokhmmm says, "Alan has been pushing that for years!" john-r says, "For
now, when we get to the web page, maybe a link like Cyperteams on the left
or right sidebar" irs says, "I think we're better off explicitly NOT
talking about ownership of the Moon before we get there." dcarson says, "I
wouldn't put it on the main page, in a links page yes" Arthur says, "I
wasn't thinking of a link from our home page. Some non-home page place."
Severy-4 says, "Yes, he tried to twist my arm heavily at the Tucson ISDC
when I sat next to him on a bus ride ;-)" irs says, "I think anything
toward any one of those ideas (and Alan's is far more logical than the
Lunar Embassy crowd, but still) is opening a big can of social causes and
other such political debate that only serves to distract us from the goal."
Michael says, "have we ever 'endorsed' another organization before?" saavik
says, "I vote for endorsing it assuming it is what alan talked about at the
last lunar conference I saw him at" john-r says, "my sys has gone into lag
mode" Severy-4 says, "It sounds like Alan wants something more formal:
"Almost a year ago, Greg promised to have the Artemis and Moon Societys
formally endorse the Space Settlement Initiative."" irs says, "We and the
SETI League have some sort of relationship (I've forgotten the precise
term)." Michael says, "if we haven't done it before then'd I'd prefer we
didn't start...." Severy-4 says, "Greg, any thoughts?"
Greg-1 says, "I am all in favor of pushing Alan Wasser's proposal." irs
says, "Ask ourselves: what do we gain from endorsing Alan's group? And what
do we lose from not endorsing it? If you can come up with a good list...."
Greg-1 says, "In fact, I sort of promised that I would help do that."
Arthur says, "I think what we gain is (in the unlikely event it comes to
pass) another interesting way to raise funds for what we want to do"
Severy-4 says, "Ok, so if Greg promised that we would do that, I guess we
need to do it ;-)" Severy-4 says, "So what do we need to do to make it
happen?" irs says, "I like Alan. I asked him to write me an article. But in
general, what I got from his proposal was "Whoa. We've got to slow down the
actual going to the Moon stuff until we figure out who's going to own it."
I disagree with that concept 100%." Severy-4 says, "How do we "formally
endorse the Space Settlement Initiative"?" Greg-1 says, "Board resolution?"
Arthur says, "Ian, have you read his latest version of it? He does answer a
lot of objections..." kokhmmm says, "I disagree too. My approach is that we
do it, and it becomes fait accompli. Forgiveness is always easier than
permission. Asking permission can stir up opposition" Scottyg says, "Umm,
what I read from it is not that we need to slow things down, but they will
be slow of teir own accord." Scottyg says, "teir = their"
Arthur says, "Maybe let's table it to next board meeting, let everybody
read the latest version of the proposal and think it over?" saavik says,
"good plan"
Severy-4 says, "Yup, I think that's safest, Arthur" saavik says,
"especially since I really want to lseep" kokhmmm says, "Sotty, we all seem
to have dislexic fingers tonight!" kokhmmm says, "eval )"
Severy-4 says, "It's been waiting this long, another two weeks won't hurt
much" irs says, "I think holding off another meeting isn't going to kill
anything, and will give us a chance to look again." Scottyg says, "I
resemble that! (hic)" Arthur says, "I'll email the URL to the board list as
a reminder" Severy-4 says, "Thanks, Arthur!"
Arthur says, "Ok, web site?"
irs says, "Thank you, Arthur."
dcarson says, "and decide what we do if we do endorse" Severy-4 says, "Ok,
moving on to the *last* agenda item! Yay!" Severy-4 says, "Web Site Design!"
Greg-1 says, "Hooray!"
Saavik notes that even full Vulcans need to sleep sometimes Michael reads
the meeting agenda
Severy-4 says, "Since all of you are also on the web team list, I presume
you've seen the various proposals floating around and the ongoing
discussion?" Michael says, "yep"
saavik says, "I really want to stay but I am tired and in need of
sleep....I like the blue and voted for it, as I recall" kokhmmm says, "yes"
saavik says, "and John is doing a great job" dcarson says, "yes"
kokhmmm says, "yes"
Severy-4 says, "So I'll turn the floor over to John, who has been waiting
patiently to get to his stuff :-)" kokhmmm says, "with great input from
Michael" john-r [to Arthure-will]: you keep Alan updated on our discussion?
Arthur says, "Yes, excellent work"
john-r says, "Fist item is the basic format, has everyone seen the black
and the blue?" Michael says, "yep"
Michael likes the one-sidebar in blue version Arthur says, "Either black or
blue was nice - the one thing that looked out of place was the text at the
top with the white background - any ideas for that?" kokhmmm says, "There
is no consensus over logo, but there seems to be a consensus shaping up
over the overall page design and I think we should implement it. I like the
blue with double sidebars" Arthur says, "Double sidebars here too." john-r
says, "2nd itm is any strong feelings on left side bar only or left and
right sidebar" Michael says, "I can live with double sidebars....." dcarson
says, "blue with double seemed good" saavik says, "double here too"
Michael says, "yea...."
saavik says, "blue also"
Michael thinks that qualifies as concensus..... kokhmmm says, "blue Moon" -
was a great song!" dcarson says, "I'll have the new sw so it makes a short
5 itme list in a boxed table with a more link to the full nes page" john-r
says, "Do we want to do the change in the next 30 days, or wait till dec
31st?" Severy-4 says, "I'm partial to blue as well ;-)" dcarson says,
"doing it as the new year sounds good" Severy-4 says, "I think we change it
whenever we're ready, John, we don't have to aim for a specific deadline"
kokhmmm says, "Jan 1 - seems like a good New Years resolution" irs says,
"No reason to tie ourselves to an arbitrary calendar. We keep working both
before and after that date." Arthur says, "Anything that really needs
changing soon should be changed (like chapter/team information) but I think
that's a good target date for replacing the home page." Severy-4 says,
"This will be a never-ending project ;-)" john-r says, "Ok, time is anytime
in the next year with dec 31 as first goal" irs says, "Like a George Lucas
film <g>." dcarson says, "January 31st is the start of the chinese lunar
new year" Severy-4 says, "Yes, Chapter/team information needs to change as
soon as it's done" kokhmmm says, "Yah, improvements should be an ongoing
thing. Whenever we find soemthing worth changing we should do it." irs
says, "And the Jewish New Year is in September. Big deal." Severy-4 says,
"I'm hoping for the end of this month for that stuff" irs reads the meeting
agenda
Michael thinks it should be December 21st at 4:17 pm..... john-r says,
"next item is the daily-weekly-monthly image in the middle of the 2
columns, any comments?" Greg-1 says, "Do we have enough schedule items to
have the schedule be a regular feature?" kokhmmm says, "I like that feature
a lot, John" Severy-4 says, "I think it looks neat, but do we have enough
images to work with?" dcarson says, "url to refreash memories?" Severy-4
says, "http://www.moonsociety.org/private/web-team" john-r says, "see
http://www.moonsociety.org/private/web-team/wp/bd-meet20021106.htm for
notes of tonight" Arthur says, "We have MOO meetings pretty regularly :-)"
Greg-1 says, "Maybe we should document those informal meetings?" kokhmmm
says, "could we set up some sort of default, no ready image, gets pointed
to APOD (astronomy picture of the day) or something like that? There's a
lot of space art around. If we give attribution do we need permission?"
dcarson says, "someone would have to check, NASA images should be usable
I'd think" saavik says, "ok, secretary is heading out...." Severy-4 says,
"Ok, good night, Amy!"
saavik says, "can someone summarize this last bit for me? I'll email
minutes tomorrow once I know that" Saavik heads back to the Enterprise for
the night saavik has disconnected.
john-r says, "my feeling is somthin like the current phase in upper right,
with 12 images for monthly, then go from there-the main thing for tonight
is do we want it-and i feel that most do" dcarson says, "but yes a image of
the day or soe such helps, changing content brings people back" kokhmmm
says, "How about also a changing text feature, highlighting something in
the ADB. A lot of people do not realize how much is in there." john-r says,
"Next item is do we want some way for the general membership to look at
before going live-and where would that url be?" dcarson says, "that might
be good also Peter" dcarson says, "the java orbit program people were
playing might be a fun thing to put somewhere, not the home page, also
stumbled across a java lunar lander game" dcarson says, "we can create a
directory thats open and copy to there" john-r says, "I agree Peter, thats
one idea for the image of the day, MikeD has thumbnail images for
2002-2001-2000 in asi, and there is alot there to start with" irs says, "I
would recommend no java on the home page. I simply hate wandering into a
page and my computer freezing up, waiting to load java. Yuck!" Michael has
to run as well.....
Michael says, "wow... already 11:15"
Michael says, "cya!"
Michael has disconnected.
Scottyg says, "John, My experience with things like this is that you don't
want TOO many people expressing opinions or else it will never get done."
Arthur says, "Yup!"
Greg-1 says, "I like that."
Scottyg says, "So I don't think you want to put it up for the membership at
large to look at." Greg-1 says, "That is, I like Peter's suggestion. We'd
need to get rid of all those door dragons." john-r says, "good point
Scotty-then we will leave it a leadership item- right?" dcarson says, "not
the home page, a game/toy page to get people to wander by" Arthur says, "On
Peter's idea - can we take the first paragraph of a random ADB entry and
make it the text of the day? Would somebody need to look at it?" kokhmmm
says, "First paragraph and then a link to "read more"" Arthur says, "Yeah,
that was the idea"
The housekeeper arrives to cart saavik off to bed. kokhmmm says, "Someone
would have to browse through the ADB nd put things in a queue or else set
up a random program" dcarson says, "we don't need it before we change
things, but its worth thinking about" kokhmmm says, "Yes. that's a feature
that can be added later" john-r says, "What is meant be less or no door
dragons?" Greg-1 says, "The .htaccess files that admit only members."
Scottyg says, "It could even be done on-the-fly on a per-visit basis." The
housekeeper arrives to cart Michael off to bed. Scottyg says, "In other
words, each access to the home page produces a new randomly-selected adb
link and intro." kokhmmm says, "That's the idea. Keep 'em comng back out of
curiosity" Arthur says, "Do we have any upcoming announcements we know
about now? Other than stuff on the MOO?" john-r says, "Scotty and Dana-how
is your time in helping me with the code?" kokhmmm says, "Arthur, do you
mean public announcements?" dcarson says, "I can do some"
Scottyg says, "For the random links feature John?" Severy-4 says, "Keep in
mind that at the moment, the moonsociety.org home page is republished every
30 minutes, the random excerpts could be rotated at that same rate" john-r
says, "in general for the image update" Arthur says, "Like a link to the
next ISDC meeting, or space-frontier return to the moon, or TransOrbital,
or even our own conference at some point?" john-r says, "They at some point
can be any place on the home page, as the ISDC is, and the ISDC year needs
changed asap" kokhmmm says, "Arthur, I like faits accomplis - why don't you
and I annoucne a conference;;;-)" Arthur says, "what was that about
forgiveness and permission earlier?" dcarson makes signs to ward off evil
at Peter john-r says, "Next web page specific item is - Do we want a
Transorbital In the side bars - like cyber teams?" kokhmmm says, "I'm for
the TO link"
john-r says, "Greg any comments?"
Scottyg says, "Umm, careful here."
Scottyg says, "What is the criteria for us to supply a link?" john-r says,
"I think we need one"
dcarson says, "that we want to?"
Scottyg says, "I think it needs to be more objective." Arthur says, "What
about Lunar Traders?" Arthur says, "Lunasoft?"
john-r says, "at some point it needs to involve income, at some future
meeting" Scottyg says, "We can't arbitrarily provide services to a
for-profit corporation." john-r says, "Lunar Traders has a link on ASI and
MoSoc home page" Arthur says, "Yes Mr. Treasurer :-)"
Scottyg says, "Lunar Traders provided subsidized services to Moon Society."
Scottyg says, "And ASI."
john-r says, "Then with Non Profit, can Lunar traders be present?" kokhmmm
says, "Space frontier Foundation has its "Frontier Enabling Test" - we
could develop something like that - are they helping to open the frontier?
if we had a test, we could have some more objective way of deciding."
Greg-1 is thinking.
Arthur says, "Cyberteams is obvious of course..." Arthur says, "And yet is
the least related to the moon directly..." Greg-1 says, "No, we don't want
Transorbital in the sidebar." john-r says, "I agree with Cyberteams, they
help in a most generous way" Scottyg says, "We can provide links as a
service to our members as part of fulfilling our mission. But that still
requires an objective test." irs says, "While it was ASI, an Artemis
Project Participant seemed an easy enough test. For Moon Society, I'm not
sure...." Greg-1 says, "They don't have any kind of sponsorship
relationship with the Moon Society." Scottyg says, "Exactly Greg. Thats my
point." Arthur says, "They do advertise in MMM - do you get paid for that
Peter?" Greg-1 says, "If we added them, we'd have to add every moon-flight
wannabe in the world, and the IRS would notice." john-r says, "And then-do
we want to ask TO for a sponsership? Now or at some future meeting?" john-r
says, "I am beging to understand Non Profit" Greg-1 says, "When we applied,
the IRS quizzed us about Lunar Traders." kokhmmm says, "No, they were
willing to pay, but I run it free. Someone has to take the innitiative."
john-r says, "BTW is there plans to post in at least the leadership
area-the non profit requirements, or things that the web-team needs to be
aware of?" Scottyg says, "We got run through the wringer in our application
for non-profit status. That makes me prety leery about putting up links
without an objective test." Arthur says, "Ok, it's late, how about we
discuss what exactly the "objective test" for the sidebar should be by
email?" kokhmmm says, "Scotty, they may be for profit, but they are doing a
Moon mission which should uyeild knowledge that willbe useful" Scottyg
says, "Ok, a couple of guidelines...." john-r says, "And i get the feeling
that The sidebar items will take more time than we have tonight" Scottyg
says, "One satisfactory reason is that it furthers our mission and
purpose." dcarson says, "and more working braincells" Scottyg says,
"Another is fiar compensation." Scottyg says, "fair even"
kokhmmm says, "We could ask for click-through payments" Scottyg says,
"Another is a sponsorship relationship." john-r says, "Can we as a
non-profit charge to but an add on our pages?" dcarson says, "sure, thats
one way they get funding" Arthur says, "definitely"
Scottyg says, "Yes. There are some caveats, but as a general thing, yes."
dcarson says, "the IRS has questions about where it goes more than wher it
comes from" Greg-1 says, "Right"
john-r says, "But to me- i would feel strongly against pop=ups" Scottyg
says, "You can end up getting reclassed if too much of your income is
unrelated to your non-profit purposes." kokhmmm says, "yes, no pop-ups,
hate them" john-r says, "So TO and Lunar Traders relate to our mission, and
wal-mart would noot- am i close?" john-r says, "not=noot"
Scottyg says, "Anyway - I suggest that you make what seems like reasonable
suggestions and I'll try to figure out how to keep us out of trouble."
Greg-1 says, "Good idea."
Scottyg says, "John - I fail to see how Lunar Traders relates to our
mission." john-r says, "I think the last point i have for tonight- Do the
board members whish to stay on the web team- since the leadership list is
going again?" dcarson says, "I do"
john-r says, "whis too"
irs says, "I'd be willing to slip off the web team: I'm not a web designer,
and there are limits to how many ways I want to pull my attention." Scottyg
says, "I do also, especially since I have to be sure it ties into the
registration system." kokhmmm says, "yes"
john-r says, "wish to - sorry"
Arthur says, "keep me on thanks"
john-r says, "TY all- i can stay awhile, anyone else want to stay?" Scottyg
says, "BTW - My vote is one sidebar, blue background." john-r says, "hold
on for last meeting note update" irs says, "I'd be very happy to end
tonight's meeting and wade through my e-mail." kokhmmm says, "Scooty, Mars
Society has a Shp@Mars section and makes money out of every click-thru to
all sorts of vendors unrelated to space. Any idea how much they make on
this?" Arthur says, "Vote to end seconded :-)" Severy-4 says, "We should be
able to spend a lot more time on the web site in the next meeting" Scottyg
says, "Peter - its not a lot, but every little bit helps." dcarson says,
"aye"
Severy-4 says, "Arthur, if you can find me in the MOO tomorrow, I can get
things set up for getting membership info" kokhmmm says, "a penny earned is
a penny earned" Arthur says, "Ok - I should be back home again" Arthur
says, "Good night all!"
Scottyg says, "And a hunnerd of `em make a dollar..." Severy-4 says, "Ok,
let's bring the official meeting to a close, anyone is welcome to stick
around informally afterwards..." Arthur leaves.
Severy-4 says, "Thanks for a good meeting, folks, and we'll meet back here
in two weeks!" irs says, "Good night, gang."
kokhmmm says, "Randall, I cannot get on mypage. Have to whisper to me what
username password combo will et me into everything I'm supposed to have
access to." john-r says, "see
http://www.moonsociety.org/private/web-team/wp/bd-meet20021106.htm" Scottyg
says, "G'nite all!"
john-r says, "Night All"
john-r says, "I staying for a bit"
kokhmmm says, "Good night!"
irs has disconnected.
Severy-4 says, "It's your Team Director username and password, Peter, the
same you used to log in here" Severy-4 switches places with Severy
kokhmmm says, "Didn't work n hour ago when I chekced out mypage"

-- End log: Wednesday, November 6, 2002 11:47:40 pm ASI Meeting Server time--