-- Start log: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 9:02:41 pm ASI Meeting Server time --

Severy switches places with Severy-4
Scottyg-1 has arrived.
Arthur-1 arrives.
saavik has arrived.
Severy-4 says, "Did I fool you by using a clone in here, Amy?" john-r has
arrived.
Arthur-1 says, "Randall, I got a message "You need to be a member of the
ASI Leadership Council to enter that room." saavik says, "yeah, you did
Randall"
Arthur-1 says, ""Is that because I'm a clone?" Severy-4 says, "No, clones
should be treated the same as regular users" Severy-4 says, "How did you
get in here if you got that message?" Arthur-1 says, "@joined you instead"
kokhmmm has arrived.
Severy-4 says, "Sounds like you tried to get into the ASI Leadership
Council room, this is the Moon Society Leadership Council room" Severy-4
says, "Similar exit names, though" dcarson arrives.
Severy-4 says, "This is 'moon-leaders', that one is just 'leaders'" DaveW-1
arrives.
Severy-4 says, "I'll rename them before the next meeting, however, since
the ASI Leadership Council is now inactive" Arthur-1 says, "Ah, that would
explain it." DaveW-1 says, "hi all"
Severy-4 says, "Hi, Dana, hi, Dave!"
saavik says, "Hi Dave"
dcarson says, "helo"
saavik says, "Hi all"
kokhmmm says, "Hi, all"
saavik says, "Hi Peter"
MikeD follows Severy-4 into the room
kokhmmm says, "Hi, Amy"
Severy-4 says, "Welcome, Mike!"
MikeD says, "Evening all"
Greg arrives amidst thundering applause. Severy-4 says, "Hey, hey, the
gang's (almost) all here!" Arthur-1 says, "Anybody heard from Michael
Mealling?" Severy-4 says, "I think we have everyone that I expected to show
up tonight, congratulations!" Greg says, "... now for the shuffle...""
Severy-4 says, "Michael is at the IETF conference and didn't think he'd
make it tonight" Greg switches places with Greg-1
Severy-4 says, "Ian is out of town, and definitely won't make it" john-r
says, "Hi All"
Greg-1 says, "There's more that one way to fool a door dragon!" Severy-4
says, "Actually, the door dragon should let your clone in" Greg-1 says,
"Oh! I didn't have to do that?" saavik says, "where in MA is Ian?"
Greg-1 says, "Silly me."
saavik says, "cause I am here too"
Severy-4 says, "I've tried to set up all user-related stuff to treat clones
the same as the regular user it is a copy of" Greg-1 says, "Yeah, where in
the ma is Ian?" dcarson says, "Mensa meeting I think"
Severy-4 says, "The only thing clones can't do is create objects (such as
recorder tapes), but the clone objects are re-used" Severy-4 says, "But
clones can now stop a recorder that a regular user has created" Severy-4
says, "Anyway, welcome everyone!" Arthur-1 reads the meeting agenda
Severy-4 says, "Speaking of missing participants, I'd actually like to open
the meeting with a recommendation to remove two holdover members of the
Leadership Council from the team" Severy-4 says, "They used to be in the
council, but have not attended any meetings in many months" Severy-4 says,
"I have asked both of them if they wanted to remain in the council and were
willing to be active enough to be able to remain" Severy-4 says, "One of
them, Tim Cadell, had told me previously that he was too busy to take on
any leadership roles, which I'll interpret as a No." Severy-4 says, "The
other, Rod Ramsey, has not responded to any e-mails, which I will also
interpret as a No." Severy-4 says, "So anyone have any objections to
trimming down the Leadership Council to only those active members?" dcarson
says, "none here"
kokhmmm says, "nope"
john-r says, "none here"
Arthur-1 says, "Sounds good."
Severy-4 says, "And as some of you may have noticed recently, I *will* take
silence as acceptance :-)" Arthur-1 says, "Is Richard Perry on the leaders
list?" Severy-4 says, "In other words, speak now or forever hold your peace
;-)" Severy-4 says, "No, Richard is not"
Arthur-1 says, "Oh, I saw his email on the chapters list, that's it."
kokhmmm says, "I spoke with Richard recently and he still wants to be UK
contact" Severy-4 says, "You can see the membership of the Leadership
Council in the /private/leaders directory" Severy-4 says, "But it's
basically everyone here tonight plus Ian and Michael" Severy-4 says, "Ok,
with that out of the way, let's move on with all haste to the official
meeting agenda" Arthur-1 says, "Ok."
Severy-4 says, "Which can be found at
http://www.moonsociety.org/private/leaders/agenda.html or 'read agenda' in
here" john-r reads the meeting agenda
Severy-4 says, "It hasn't changed from the e-mail I sent late last night"
saavik reads the meeting agenda
saavik awaits the start
DaveW-1 reads the meeting agenda
Arthur-1 says, "On the help desk"
Severy-4 says, "Ok, first up is the Help Desk item" Severy-4 says, "I'm
being slow because I'm behind on scanning the HelpDir log files to see who
to embarrass tonight :-)" Arthur-1 says, "I assigned one membership one to
Peter, and one to Scotty - chapters in the one case, taxes, in the other. I
assume that's ok - did you get an email about it?" kokhmmm says, "Yes, okay
with me"
Severy-4 says, "But I'll let you folks do it to yourself, who has shirked
their duties by not responding to at least one Help Director thread each
week?" DaveW-1 is ready to be embarrassed
kokhmmm says, "I answered two, that's a toe in the water" Scottyg-1 says,
"Yes, and I have some comments about mine when the appropriate time comes."
Severy-4 says, "Now is as good a time as any, Scotty, throw 'em out" saavik
says, "um, I haven't done any since last meeting... I guess I'll try. "
saavik says, "I was unsure what to answer last time...." saavik says, "it
was mostly stuff I didn't know what to do with!" Scottyg-1 says, "This was
an email from someone who joined the society but says he has never heard
from us." Arthur-1 says, "Actually, I think we're in pretty good shape -
the worst one still is the info list, with 40-something entries?" Scottyg-1
says, "He is correctly entered in the database, according to the membership
options he chose." john-r says, "web-site is down to 3 all prior to may
2002" Scottyg-1 says, "(Electronic newsletter.)" kokhmmm says, "He doesn't
show up on the lest sent to MMM" Arthur-1 says, "Is this Gerard Szatkowski?
Peter says he's not getting the name..." Scottyg-1 says, "Read above."
kokhmmm says, "I see"
Arthur-1 says, "I had a suggestion there actually, if you want to hear it
now..." Scottyg-1 says, "And the email address he gave us is different than
the one he used to contact us." kokhmmm says, "I think we need to set up an
automatic email notice when the MMM pdf file is uploaded. People expect to
see it in their mailbox and do not realize that th ey have to go fetch"
Severy-4 says, "Ok, since the last meeting, I only see responses from John,
Arthur, Mike, Peter, Ian, and myself" Severy-4 says, "So everyone else
please consider yourself embarrassed" saavik says, "I agree with Peter"
Greg-1 is mortally embarrassed.
Severy-4 says, "One response a week, folks, that's all I ask, it's not as
hard as it seems :-)" Arthur-1 says, "Peter, that's pretty much what I was
going to say." saavik says, "do we care if a robot found a broken link?"
kokhmmm says, "On my point about the email notice that the pdf file is
available. If we don't do that, we are going to lose these people."
Severy-4 says, "Ok, what's the best way to make that happen?" dcarson says,
"put it in the webmaster queue" Severy-4 says, "Who uploads the PDF file?"
kokhmmm says, "We need to have a list of all who have chosen the electonic
option." Scottyg-1 says, "Peter uploads it. I edit the index page to link
it in." Arthur-1 says, "Actually, why not send an email to everybody we
have an email address for, once a month (when MMM is put online)" saavik
says, "I'm happily deleting the spam threads now ;-)" kokhmmm says, "I
upload the pdf file, the Scotty renames it and puts it on the right page"
Severy-4 says, "Amy, if there are any messages in the spam folder that
aren't actually spam, please leave them for me" saavik says, "I like the
idea... can we make it automagic?" dcarson says, "people get annoyed with
too much email" Arthur-1 says, "The email could include links to the new
mymoon page, the teams page, and general member ID/account information..."
saavik says, "Randall... none so far"
Severy-4 says, "I try to go through that folder once a day, but today's
been a zoo..." Greg-1 says, "Yes, it has. :)"
dcarson says, "but a list for people who asked for the e option sounds
good" saavik says, "Except the broken link from a robot - that we might
care about?" dcarson says, "alos a note on the front page, new MMM as of x
date might help" Arthur-1 says, "From what I see in the member lists,
they're being disturbed by too little email from us right now." Severy-4
says, "I think the e-mail should only go to those people who asked for it,
but we can refer to it in other places that other people would normally se"
dcarson says, "Amy, put it in the webaster queue if it isn't there already"
kokhmmm says, "That's good idea about the note on the front page, but there
is one thing that scares me, and that is that too many are choosing that
option at the expense of hardcopy" Severy-4 says, "Starting the end of this
month, Team Director will be sending out a monthly "you are a member of
these teams, here is how you can change them..." e-mail to all current
members" saavik says, "Ok... also one other sort of spam sort of not - it
is a return receipt from some mail that someone else sent out" Severy-4
says, "We could add additional useful info to that e-mail notice, but I
don't want to overload it" Arthur-1 says, "Will that include members who
don't belong to any teams? I think that's a good idea." Severy-4 says, "Not
sure, Arthur, I hadn't thought that far ahead :-)" dcarson says, "when does
the electronic versin go online compared to print? Same time as mailing or
what?" john-r has reconnected.
Scottyg-1 says, "Dana, the electronic version is generally online before
the 1st of the month. Peter would know better the mail schedule." kokhmmm
says, "electronic version is posted when I am done with the issue. I
usually take the master copy to the printer the same day, he has it about a
week, and it takes another week to hit the bulk mail, and a week or two
more to get to your mailbox" MikeD says, "Would it be possible to send out
an automatic notification when Peter uploads the file?" Arthur-1 says, "Is
there a guaranteed day it will be online every month, that we could just
coordinate that as an automatic message?" dcarson says, "we might want to
wait until the paper one would arrive before posting the electronic, don't
want to make it better than the paper one" MikeD says, "From a template or
from a list or something" kokhmmm says, "Actully, I have been finishg late.
This month MMM was done on the 19th, instead of before the first" kokhmmm
says, "writers block and busy with other things" Severy-4 says, "A WSD
publishing filter can call a script when a specific file is published, if
you can define a rule to identify that file" Severy-4 says, "And it
wouldn't be that difficult to get a list of e-mail addresses from Team
Director for all members who are subscribed to the electronic version of
MMM" Severy-4 says, "So I think it's just a matter of putting the pieces
together" MikeD says, "And whay does Scotty have to go in and put up a
link? couldn't we use an index template?" MikeD can't spell after 6pm
john-r says, "I think it does not matter if the web MMM is befor the hard
copy, its a draw to the web version" Scottyg-1 says, "Probably would be
best to key off the index.html update for that directory since nav will be
difficult until that's done." kokhmmm says, "the directory I upload the pdf
files to is not the one in which they are available, so Scotty makes the
transfer and renames the files at the same time." MikeD says, "Yes john,
but MMMis on the verge of losing it's bulk rate" dcarson says, "we want to
encourge paper to some extent so we stay above the bulk mail limit"
Scottyg-1 says, "Actually, thats incorrect Peter. You do upload them to the
right place." Severy-4 says, "But if the e-mail only goes out to those who
specifically said they *don't* want the paper version, we're not steering
people away from the paper version" Scottyg-1 says, "They just have to be
linked in." Severy-4 [to Mike's]: point, Scotty, could an index template be
used to avoid the manual link addition? Severy-4 says, "To Mike's point,
Scotty, could an index template be used to avoid the manual link addition?"
saavik says, "Hey Randall, is there a way to see more of the subject lines
in helpdesk?" saavik says, "I would like to know a bit more other than
clicking on every message...." Severy-4 says, "If your browser window is
wide enough, just increase the screen width in User Preferences" dcarson
says, "(add a feature of being able to change the subject line to something
sensible)" Severy-4 says, "Most of the listboxes in Help Director are
scaled based on the Screen Width preference, which is set by default to the
lowest common denominator" Severy-4 says, "Thread subjects can be easily
changed in the Thread Info screen" Scottyg-1 says, "Um, look at the index.
Its at http://www.moonsociety.org/members/mmm/index.html" dcarson says, "ah
good, hsdn't noticied" Severy-4 says, "Yes, Scotty, that can easily be
generated by an index template" Scottyg-1 says, "I'm not sure how to
automate the descriptions." Arthur-1 says, "I don't know about the rest of
you, but I do like to be able to get to resources online - I'm not always
home where I can dig through my pile of old MMM's..." Severy-4 says, "Just
set the description property of the uploaded file" Arthur-1 says, "But I
like getting the paper too, and there's no cost advantage to giving it up
right now for US members, right?" Scottyg-1 says, "Ah - and Peter could do
that when he uploads." Severy-4 says, "Peter would have to set the
description property to the appropriate value when he uploads the file"
saavik says, "um, ok.."
Severy-4 says, "Correct"
Arthur-1 says, "So I don't think it would hurt to advertise the electronic
version more (what I was getting at)" kokhmmm says, "the directory I upload
the pdf files to is not the one in which they are available, so Scotty
makes the transfer and renames the files at the same time." Scottyg-1 says,
"Peter, thats not correct." Severy-4 says, "Ahh, is there a reason you
can't upload the files directly to the final location, Peter?" saavik says,
"done, thanks randall"
kokhmmm says, "Sorry, hit the return button" Scottyg-1 says, "Once in a
while I change the file name because of a typo, but normally I just link
them in." kokhmmm says, "Scottoy, if I send the pdf file named to follow
suite with the way you have been renaming them, will that help?" saavik
says, "sigh... why should I do homework for some kid who is too lazy to use
google?" Scottyg-1 says, "Yeah, if you just stay with the scheme thats
there now it will work fine." kokhmmm says, "also, what do you mean by the
description property? please illustrate." Scottyg-1 says, "Can you log into
that area?" Scottyg-1 says, "(In WebSite Director)" Severy-4 says, "When
you upload a file in WSD, there is a "Description" field that you can type
in a description" Arthur-1 says, "Smile Amy, like John said :-)" Scottyg-1
says, "Oh Randall - we're using WSD Express for that directory." john-r [to
saavik]: on homework, do you mean help dir, what we do is customer service
:) Severy-4 says, "That field value is stored in the WSD database, and can
be retrieved by an index template" Severy-4 says, "Oops, WSD Express
doesn't do indexing :-(" Scottyg-1 says, "Thats why I mentioned it." saavik
says, "LOL"
kokhmmm says, "Scotty, just went online. I am at members/mmm" Scottyg-1
says, "The reason we did that was to give Peter full publishing rights
without board review." saavik says, "John, someone emailed moon society to
ask for help with their homework. I didn't quite know how to answer it - I
mean, why should we do it for them?" Scottyg-1 says, "Peter you need to log
into WSD, like you do to upload." Severy-4 says, "You could use WSD Pro to
manage that directory and configure an approval class that allows Peter to
publish directly without review" dcarson says, "Teach them how to use
google Amy?" Scottyg-1 says, "at
http://www.moonsociety.org/cgi-bin/teamwsdexpress/mmm/wsd" john-r [to
saavik]: - whats the thread ID Severy-4 says, "Ok, I don't want to spend
all night on one agenda item, although this is an important topic" kokhmmm
says, "Scotty, Okay, I'm there" Severy-4 says, "I'll take the action item
to sketch out a plan to resolve this issue and work with Peter and Scotty
to make sure it meets all of the requirements" saavik says, "great"
Severy-4 says, "But it probably won't happen until early next month" saavik
says, "let's move on"
Scottyg-1 says, "Pick one of the MMM pdf's - any one - and then click the
PROPERTIES button." Scottyg-1 says, "That should bring up a form that
includes the Description box." kokhmmm says, "Scotty, Okay, got the last
issue" saavik reads the meeting agenda
Arthur-1 says, "Team and mailing lists?" Severy-4 says, "Well, at the risk
of dragging this on any further, is there anything else on Help Desk stuff
tonight?" Scottyg-1 says, "You just type in what you want the description
to be there, and Randall and I can set up the index page to show that
description on the index page listing." john-r says, "not for me"
Severy-4 says, "Does everyone know what needs to be done?" kokhmmm says,
"Scotty, just email me an example of how I would fill in the blanks. I'll
get to it later so we can move on." dcarson says, "yes"
Severy-4 says, "will everyone promise to respond to at least one thread per
week in Help Director? :-)" john-r says, "answer respond =-emial the
leadership list with ?" kokhmmm says, "I get it"
kokhmmm says, "promise"
Severy-4 says, "Ok, moving on to Team and Mailing List Infrastructure..."
Severy-4 says, "First, I'd like to welcome Mike Delaney to his very first
Leadership Council meeting!" MikeD says, "Uhoh"
john-r says, "on the help dir, when its caught up-life will be easy :)"
kokhmmm says, "hi, Mike"
Severy-4 says, "Mike has been working beyond the call of duty in the past
few weeks trying to keep up with my constant demands for overhauling the
ASI and Moon Society teams" saavik says, "I'll try!"
Severy-4 says, "And he's made a huge amount of progress" MikeD says, "So
the response to the Team and mailing list updates has been *poor* to ssay
the least" MikeD says, "Hi Peter"
Severy-4 says, "Mike, can you post the URL to your lists here?" MikeD says,
"Um, well they're not as nicely sorted as i had then but...
http://www.moonsociety.org/private/leaders/tables/" MikeD says, "The moon
Society table is the shortest" Severy-4 says, "The current plan is that any
team whose leader has not responded to the initial query will be
deactivated either tomorrow or Friday (basically whenever Mike and I get
around to it :-))" Arthur-1 says, "Whoah, that's a long list for ASI."
Severy-4 says, "So to the point John raised by e-mail, there may be a few
of those teams that are important enough that we want to keep them alive by
drafting a team leader" dcarson says, "we had a lot of inactive teams"
MikeD says, "Of course, there are some who wont respond before Saturday or
Sunday but we know who they are" Severy-4 says, "None of the teams will
actually be deleted, just marked inactive so they don't appear in any
lists, and inactive teams can easily be reactivated without having to start
over" Severy-4 says, "So some initially deactivated teams may be
reactivated if their team leaders are simply very slow in responding"
Scottyg-1 says, "I would suggest deleting one team." Severy-4 says, "Which
one, Scotty?"
MikeD says, "I did delete one or two, but they were being combined with
others or had arroneous configs and a correct duplicate" Scottyg-1 says, "I
don't think the Moon Society Bylaws team has any reason to exist."
Scottyg-1 says, "It was created to create the Moon Society." saavik says,
"and the organizing committee also?" saavik says, "(which was created for
the same reason)" Scottyg-1 says, "Yep, same comment."
Severy-4 says, "Yeah, let's kill both of those, unless someone raises any
objections..." dcarson says, "I'll see if I have a working address for
Margo" kokhmmm says, "no"
MikeD says, "I used to have these sorted, does anyone have a problem with
comma delimited files?" dcarson says, "(mid-atlantic)"
Scottyg-1 says, "And I haven't responded, but I'll continue to lead the MMM
Team, unless someone else wants to take it." MikeD says, "I seem to have 3
but I know one doesn't work" john-r says, "I love comma delim file, works
great in database" Severy-4 says, "Peter was able to contact Margo, which
address worked, Peter?" Severy-4 says, "Yes, anyone here who hasn't
responded, please do so now so that we can update the table right away"
MikeD says, "well, if you give me a second or two I can upload the files
and create links to them then you can sort them your own way" john-r notes
he asked Margo to go to team dir last spring, when he took over chapters
kokhmmm says, "margo_duesterhaus@sesda.com, I think, but I'll double check"
john-r says, "MikeD - do all the old mailing lists now have teams?" kokhmmm
says, "That's the one I have for margo" Severy-4 says, "Mike, did the
e-mail to Vik bounce?" Severy-4 says, "I know his e-mail address in Team
Director is bad, but he's posted to several lists recently with a different
address" Greg-1 says, "Mike, I'm looking at my list. I don't see any need
to keep ASI teams for the ISDC, Lunar Development Conference, or Moon
Society Organizing Committee." Greg-1 says, "Let's do keep Project Leto
around." Greg-1 says, "The others can be resurrected on moonsociety.org if
and when we need them." john-r says, "I would say keep ISDC and COnference
in Moon Society - Arthur and Amon and ?? went to last years" Scottyg-1
says, "Peter - re your concerns with MMM mail version - we presently have
295 current members. That doesn't correspond exactly with your last MMM
list since a buch of members were added a couple of weeks ago." john-r
says, "and Pete wants to start on confrence for 2003 maybe" MikeD says,
"John, most of the old lists have teams now, but there are still a few
stragglers I think" MikeD says, "I put links for the csv files in
http://www.moonsociety.org/private/leaders/tables/" kokhmmm says, "Scotty,
the last list I got on 10/25 was for only 182 members, so over a hundred
must get the pdf file" MikeD says, "I know most spreadsheet packages will
read them" Scottyg-1 says, "I think the present number may be up by about
20." dcarson says, "maybe one conference list for any conferences we might
have a presence at?" kokhmmm says, "On the conferences idea, Arthur has a
neat idea of trying to have a live online speaker once and a while and let
everyone know" saavik reads the meeting agenda
MikeD says, "Is receipt of MMM optional? It shouldn't be, they should get
one form or the other but not opt out." john-r says, "Peter thats a good
subject for next meetin -so we do not get side tracked :)" Severy-4 says,
"I agree we don't need two different conference teams, but merging the ISDC
and LDC teams into one conferences committee may be worth doing" dcarson
says, "alos worldcon"
john-r says, "yes Randall"
john-r says, "good idea"
Severy-4 says, "Anyone willing to lead that team?" MikeD says, "Is there
any real info for the next ISDC yet?" Severy-4 says, "Without a team
leader, it's just an idea waiting to happen" john-r says, "for the short
term i can" kokhmmm says, "I'll be on it"
john-r says, "back me out :)"
john-r says, "unless Peter wants to join an i be leader" Scottyg-1 says,
"Mike - *ALL* members have access to the online versions." Severy-4 says, "
*on* the team, Peter, or team leader?" kokhmmm says, "that's the idea, yes
"on"" Severy-4 says, "Ok, you're stuck with it, John!" Severy-4 says, "Sign
him up, Mike! :-)" john-r says, "MikeD ISDC has new pages up" MikeD says,
"Consider him "volunteered"" john-r says, ":) on leader position, when it
gets busy-things will need reviewed" Severy-4 says, "Umm, I guess that
should be a Moon Society team" MikeD says, "I imagine so"
Severy-4 says, "Actually, I see three current conference teams: LDC, ISDC,
and an ASI Conference team" MikeD says, "Sorry Scotty, i forgot about that
aspect of MMM access" john-r says, "For Now all three can be on one moon
society conf team" Severy-4 says, "Agreed, John"
Arthur-1 says, "We should do some merging - also there's are two outreach
teams (ASI and Moon Soc) and two web teams (ASI and MoonSoc) - were we
going to merge those?" dcarson says, "add the worldcon team to that also,
that might get enough to plan something for Toronto" kokhmmm says, "I'll
try to write a Mission statement for he conferences team that will fit
everything" Severy-4 says, "The outreach team should be in Moon Society"
Severy-4 says, "So yes, they can be merged" Severy-4 says, "As for the web
team, at the moment I would recommend deactivating the ASI web team instead
of merging them" john-r says, "BTW on inactive teams, can Randall or Mike
still join some one to the team, for access to any private web pages, and
for the short term, deactivate to save time, and yet i could get to the
pages?" Arthur-1 says, "sounds fine."
kokhmmm says, "Oureach team should have liason with chapters team" john-r
says, "TY Peter for summary page" Severy-4 says, "I can see a time when we
might want two web teams since the two sites have fairly different
purposes" Severy-4 says, "Access to private web pages can be handled
separately through TeamWSD as needed" john-r says, "ok to Teamwsd"
Severy-4 says, "Right, Dana, I didn't see the Worldcon team. *Four*
conference teams!" saavik reads the meeting agenda
MikeD says, "Slow reader?"
MikeD says, ":-)"
Severy-4 chuckles.
dcarson says, "we got carried away at times :-)" saavik says, "Nah, I just
keep checking it" saavik says, "Wondering where we are :-)" saavik says, "I
wasn't taking notes and needed to start...." MikeD says, "And we're way off
schedule aren't we" Severy-4 says, "Ok, are there any other important teams
that we need to rescue from deactivation?" Severy-4 says, "No worse off
schedule than the last meeting, Mike :-(" Severy-4 says, "Unfortunately,
this kind of housekeeping stuff has been piling up for a long, long time,
but it's very important that we slog through it as best we can" MikeD says,
"Well, it looks like the Dallas chapter will end up as the North Texas
chapter" john-r says, "maybe review teams for the next meeting and one -SO
we can move on the agenda" Severy-4 says, "Ok, if anyone has any additional
suggestions about teams and the overall list of teams, you can find Mike
and myself around the MOO most days..." MikeD says, "Craig Beasley and
David whatsisname may be able to do something with Houston and St Louis"
Severy-4 says, "Again, deactivated teams can be easily resurrected, so this
isn't a final decision" MikeD says, "I want someone else to take any that I
have." john-r says, "a-ok"
Severy-4 says, "Last item in the Team stuff: My Moon Society and the new
Teams page" john-r says, "MikeD for the short term i can" Severy-4 says, "I
know that several of you have been testing it out recently, thanks!"
kokhmmm says, "St. Louis has 5 active people now, with Dave Dietzler in
charge. They are the most active local group currently" MikeD says, "I'll
need instructions on deactivation as opposed to deletion" Severy-4 says,
"Unless anyone has any new glitches or corrections, I plan to launch those
two areas in the next day or two, as soon as the team list is trimmed down"
john-r says, "MikeD for now - i would deactivate and delee later" Severy-4
says, "Yup, I'll work with you on the list, Mike" Severy-4 says, "The
merged teams we can delete the leftover ones, but most of the rest should
just be deactivated, which is just a flag in the Edit Team Info screen"
MikeD says, "I was talking about a "deactivation howto" John" john-r notes
some like catacombs to dig thru on bored nights john-r says, "ahhh to MikeD"
MikeD will be right back.
Severy-4 says, "So anyone have any objections to going live with My Moon
Society and the new Teams page?" dcarson says, "look good to me"
kokhmmm says, "No, it seems ready"
Arthur-1 says, "It looks great from what I've tried - should resolve a lot
of the membership help questions!" Scottyg-1 says, "Randall, will this
replace the Members-Only section?" john-r says, "I say go - but maybe sun
nite to give some time to get summarys done-unless that is not a major hold
up" kokhmmm says, "Could there be some way to find "members in my
area/state/etc.?"" Severy-4 says, "Not necessarily, Scotty, although I
could see the Members-Only area using the same login process" john-r says,
"Peter, you can do that now in the team dir" Severy-4 says, "I split off
the find members by state report as a User report in Team Director, Peter,
so more people can be given that permission without opening up the whole
database to them" Scottyg-1 says, "Members-Only is sort of an embarassment.
The only thing there is online MMM." Severy-4 says, "So all Chapter leaders
can be given User Report permissions to find members by state" kokhmmm
says, "John, the idea is to put a button up front so that people try it"
john-r says, "true Scotty, but that is gong to change in the next 45 days"
Severy-4 says, "The Mars Society is anxious to do zip code range lookups in
Team Director, so that may be available in the near future as well" saavik
says, "so onto the next one?"
Severy-4 says, "Yup, thanks for the nudge, Amy :-)" Severy-4 says, "Ok,
let's move on the Space Settlement Initiative" john-r says, "yes do"
Severy-4 says, "Arthur, can you bring us all up to date?" Arthur-1 says, "I
think Peter and Dana had some objections last time - did you get a chance
to read Alan Wasser's comments I posted?" kokhmmm says, "No"
Arthur-1 says, "The question is do we give it an official endorsement or
not. I think it's worth doing, and Greg sort of promised it a while ago."
Arthur-1 says, "The URL, if anybody wants to look right this minute, is
http://www.spacesettlement.org/" kokhmmm says, "There are some who dismiss
Alan. Would an endorsement lead them to dismiss us without checking us out
first/" john-r says, "does official endorsement, mean we have to push it to
non believers, or only that some agree with it" saavik hits the bed at 11pm
again
Greg-1 says, "Yes, I'm all for an official endorsement!" MikeD says, "Does
anyone know how to use the script Tim had for finding members within a
range of an area code or zip code?" john-r starts a new job at 7 tormorrow
Arthur-1 says, "It means Alan can quote us as endorsing it, but we don't
specifically have to do anything, though a note on the web site might be
nice." dcarson says, "congrats John"
john-r says, "its only temp, but theres hope" dcarson says, "having read it
over it seems reasonable" Arthur-1 says, "As I mentioned before, a version
of this was given a prominent place in NSS's Ad Astra magazine a month or
two ago, which is sort of an NSS endorsement." john-r says, "Scotty what
about IRS stuuf and link to SSI ?" Severy-4 says, "Mike, I'm planning to
use that script as a base for what I build into Team Director to provide
the same function" john-r says, "sort of is different thant public
endorsement" MikeD says, "Cool, that is a much needed function" Scottyg-1
says, "I don't think there's any problem about non-profit." MikeD says, "We
need to make sure that ther are always a couple of people who can use that
randall" Arthur-1 says, "Randall, do we have a procedure for a vote, after
having discussed it?" Severy-4 says, "Does anyone object to endorsing it?"
kokhmmm says, "abstain"
Greg-1 says, "I move that we endorse whatever it is that Alan calls that
project." Severy-4 says, "Well, the Leadership Council isn't a formal
voting body, per se, is this something the Board needs to vote on?" john-r
says, "Only Board members can vote ???" MikeD says, "I don't have a vote
but i haven't read it yet anyway" Scottyg-1 says, "I think the Board should
vote." dcarson says, "sounds like a board thing to me" Severy-4 says, "Yup,
ok here goes..."
Severy-4 says, "Thwap!"
Greg-1 says, "Oops. OK, I request that we convene an ad hoc meeting of the
Moon Society board of directors for the purpose of discussing Alan Wasser's
proposal." Scottyg-1 says, "We need to maintain control over endorsements."
Greg-1 says, "And I waive notice."
Severy-4 pounds a large gavel to announce the opening of an ad hoc meeting
of the Moon Society Board of Directors Greg-1 says, "It sounded like a
large trout." dcarson says, "waive notice"
Scottyg-1 says, "I waive notice of the meeting." Severy-4 says, "All board
members present, please state your name for the record" Severy-4 says, "I
waive notice of the meeting" dcarson says, "Dana Carson"
kokhmmm says, "Peter"
Greg-1 says, "Gregory R. Bennett"
Severy-4 says, "Randall Severy"
Arthur-1 says, "Arthur Smith (waive notice?)" Severy-4 says, "Do we have a
quorum?"
dcarson says, "(board meetings require advance notice)" Greg-1 says,
"(Arthur, yeah. We need to waive the rule that requires some advance
notice.)" Arthur-1 says, "Ok with me"
kokhmmm says, "waive notice"
Scottyg-1 says, "Amy?"
Severy-4 says, "Let's see, we're missing Michael and Ian, but we've got
five here" MikeD says, "How many in a quorum?"
Severy-4 says, "That should be a quorum, right?" Greg-1 says, "I was just
wondering that." Severy-4 says, "Five out of seven enough?" Scottyg-1 says,
"% is enough. (2/3 of 7 = 4.6667)" Scottyg-1 says, "5 too"
Severy-4 says, "Aha!"
Arthur-1 says, "Bylaws say 50%"
MikeD says, "Ah!"
MikeD will be right back.
dcarson says, "OK, move we endorse Space Settlement Initiative" Severy-4
says, "second"
saavik says, "I am not in the board"
Greg-1 says, "http://www.moonsociety.org/organizing-documents/bylaws.html"
saavik says, "but sure"
Severy-4 says, "All in favor?"
Severy-4 says, "Aye"
dcarson says, "aye"
Arthur-1 says, "Aye"
Greg-1 says, "aye"
kokhmmm says, "abstain"
Severy-4 says, "Scotty?"
Severy-4 says, "Oops, nebbermind"
Scottyg-1 says, "Amy you and me are ex-officio members and also require
notice." Greg-1 says, "Scotty is an ex-oficio member of the baord." Greg-1
says, "bored"
Severy-4 says, "Yeah, I just remembered that :-)" Severy-4 says, "It's
taking some getting used to :-)" saavik says, "oh well then aye and aue"
saavik says, "err aye"
Greg-1 says, "Or oy, as the case may be." Severy-4 says, "Ok, four votes in
favor with one abstention... the vote passes!" Scottyg-1 says, "But we
don't vote."
Severy-4 says, "Is there any other business to come before the board
tonight?" Severy-4 says, "Seeing none, I move that we adjourn" dcarson
says, "aye"
Severy-4 grins.
Greg-1 says, "Move we adjourn the adhoc meeting of the Moon Society Board
of Directors." Severy-4 says, "Didn't leave much time there, did I? ;-)"
Greg-1 says, "Heh."
Severy-4 says, "Need a second..."
kokhmmm says, "second"
Severy-4 says, "All in favor?"
Greg-1 says, "aye"
kokhmmm says, "aye"
Severy-4 says, "Aye"
dcarson says, "aye"
Severy-4 says, "Crunch!"
Severy-4 flattens the gavel trying to close the board meeting Greg-1 says,
"Was that the trout's skull?" saavik says, "so the secretary notes what for
the motion?" Severy-4 chuckles.
MikeD says, "It was carried with a resounding thud" MikeD says, "On a
trouts skull"
Severy-4 says, "The motion to endorse the Space Settlement Initiative
passed by a vote of 4 to 0 with one abstention" john-r says, "i say we jump
to 10 K next" saavik says, "the board endoreses the initiative?" Arthur-1
says, "Yes"
MikeD says, "What is 10k?"
Severy-4 says, "Anyone object to leaving the publicity media until the next
meeting?" Scottyg-1 says, "I think it would be that the Moon Society
endorses the initiative." Severy-4 says, "We can invite Chip Proser to join
us at that time..." dcarson says, "and Ian will be here"
kokhmmm says, "fine"
Severy-4 says, "Agreed, Dana"
john-r says, "I am ok with next meet on PR stuff, Chip and Ian can maybe
both be there" Severy-4 says, "Ok, let's move on to the 10K ideas so that
Amy can have her fun while she's still awake :-)" saavik says, "ok, so I'm
up?"
saavik says, "The only thing I wanted to do was give an update" Scottyg-1
says, "Tag, you're it!"
Severy-4 says, "Yes, you're up!"
DaveW-1 says, "projects that that can be completed with a $10K budget"
Arthur-1 says, "Yes, that's probably a good idea. Chip seems to have lost
his connection this evening..." Severy-4 says, "Yes, I noticed that :-("
Severy-4 says, "I'll make it earlier in the agenda next time so we can give
him a more predictable schedule" saavik says, "ok, so the deal last year
was that we wondered what projects we could do with $10K if we had it"
Arthur-1 says, "Well, I wasn't sure he would show up - I was exchanging
email with him on it today, and couldn't exactly warn you..." saavik says,
"we planned to use the ideas as PR for fundraising" saavik says, "Anyway,
we had two people with projects, as I recall: Dave and Vik" saavik says,
"ANyway, Vik emailed me this week with an update" saavik says, "Vik was to
talk about hydroponics... anyway, he is redoing part of his house so the
new hydroponics is on hold but coming soon because he says the wife will
let him do it once the house is fixed" kokhmmm says, "Hey, i sent in a
project ideqa too!" saavik says, "so the question I had was: what is the
status of the ideas and the project or do we just answer vik and tell him
ok for now? we never promised money because we don't have it" saavik says,
"true peter but I think you didn't make the top two that we planned to use
for initial fundrasiing (ironically chosen because we thought they would be
done quicker and be easy to use for PR)" john-r notes there were several
ideas but no real plan on 10K john-r notes on the gen list
DaveW-1 says, "my bot project is gathering dust in the garage pending
aquasition of tools and parts to continue the project" MikeD says,
"dinnertime, bbiab"
john-r says, "Amy, is the only answer needed tonight , is that Vik is on
hold?" kokhmmm says, "BTW, I thought that a good way to advertise a project
would be to take out an Ad Astra ad so I inquired yesterday. Quarter page
black & white $403, but there not sure they would welcome our ad" saavik
says, "true and sort of what to do next" saavik says, "I liked Peter's
ideas too..." john-r says, "Peter, this may be a good leaders list item, as
not much time tonight >>>>> but there not sure they would welcome our ad"
kokhmmm says, "My idea was to produce a trailerable Moonbase model that
could go to conferences and other events. But I am working on a proposal to
phase that in, ramp up to it painlessly, so I withdraw that proposal for
now." Arthur-1 says, "Scotty, is there any way with our current funds we
could give out a couple of small grants ($500 or something?)" kokhmmm says,
"If we (LRS) can ever regain control over the ISDC 98 profits from Mark
Kaehny who is non-communicating, we could assist in some projects" john-r
says, "Is it fair to say, we can now raise money for projects , we just
need guide lines and a plan?" Scottyg-1 says, "Our bank balance was
9.024.74 on Oct 31. I think there was one outstanding check for a couple of
hundred." Arthur-1 says, "on the subject of ramping up..." kokhmmm says,
"pending LRS board approval (I am one of 3)" saavik says, "ok, so I answer
vik but pend the rest for a later meeting?" Scottyg-1 says, "We could spend
$1000 without any pain." Arthur-1 says, "Consider spending 5% of reserve
funds per year on funding projects?" john-r says, "Amy, thats ok with me"
saavik says, "ok, done. I want to be higher up so we can get to it :-)"
Severy-4 says, "Agreed, Amy, I'll keep this item on the agenda for future
meetings so that we can keep working it until it gets done" kokhmmm says,
"Yes, and we need to let members know we are doing something. " saavik
says, "ok"
Scottyg-1 says, "Just keep in mind that $1000 is approximately a year's net
income." Severy-4 says, "The Help Desk and Teams stuff will be mostly done
by the next meeting, so there shouldn't be much ahead of it on the
agenda..." kokhmmm says, "When we have a project, we should ask members if
they want to make a special dedicated donation. No need to rely on general
funds." Arthur-1 says, "BTW - I responded to Gerard Sz... with the URL's
for MMM online and a username/password for teamdir - hope that's ok?"
kokhmmm says, "ok, Arthur"
Severy-4 says, "Yup, he already updated his member info, Arthur" dcarson
says, "(maybe a paypal donations link on the front page?)" Severy-4 says,
"But I saw that his subscription flag said None" Arthur-1 says, "Yeah, what
does that mean?" Scottyg-1 says, "His membership has just expired."
Severy-4 says, "Hmm, actually, I guess that means electronic only at this
point" kokhmmm says, "Dana, that might work, once we have projects listed
that are in need of funds" Severy-4 says, "There is a "Doesn't Want" value
for subscription, which I presume means neither paper or electronic"
Scottyg-1 says, "None means electronic. Thats the flag we sort on for
peter's list." Severy-4 says, "Gotcha"
john-r says, "AMY?? any chance that there is a list of all the 10k ideas
that cen be e-mailed to the leaders list?" saavik says, "um...."
Scottyg-1 says, "But of course, *everyone* gets the electronic version."
saavik says, "I can check it out - I had it at one point but I switched
email systems" john-r says, "Amy-maybe before the next meeting - which is
when btw" Scottyg-1 says, "2 weeks."
Severy-4 says, "Only two five-Wednesday months in the year, it will be a
while before the next three-week break between meetings" Severy-4 says,
"Ok, anything else on the 10K stuff before we move on?" dcarson says, "1st
and 3rd Wednesday IIRC" dcarson says, "not here"
Arthur-1 reads the meeting agenda
john-r says, "ty pn 2 wk, i just reviewed calander" Severy-4 says, "Ok,
moving on to Web Site stuff" Arthur-1 says, "Hey, not bad for 2 hours..."
saavik says, "ok, I will doit by next meeting" saavik says, "thanks"
Severy-4 says, "We keep ending up here after 2 hours, don't we? I promise
it will get faster in the future, John :-)" saavik says, "it is bedtime..."
john-r says, "nite Amy"
saavik says, "well, put him higher up on the list :-)" kokhmmm says,
"goodnight, Amy"
Severy-4 says, "But then you wouldn't be around for anything else, Amy :-)"
Severy-4 says, "Good night, Amy!"
Arthur-1 says, "Good night!"
Severy-4 says, "Ok, John, take it away!" Scottyg-1 says, "Arthur, you're
the Membership Chairman?" Arthur-1 says, "I seem to have been volunteered
for that, yes." john-r says, "Thats ok Randall, i only have 2 things, 1=who
can i count on to publish web pages i correct- 2nd is look at
http://www.moonsociety.org/cgi-bin/wsd/wsdapprove?ViewRequest=Go&RequestID=dxGFOt"
Scottyg-1 says, "I want to set you up for access to the on-line
registration system." Severy-4 says, "He already has access to that system,
Scotty" Severy-4 says, "I set him up after the last meeting" Arthur-1 says,
"Yup, I've been in, though don't know what to do with it." Arthur-1 says,
"Email me an explanation some time..." Scottyg-1 says, "I'll try to catch
you in the MOO soon and we'll do some surfing." Arthur-1 says, "Ok"
saavik says, "Ok... night all. someone turn off the recorder for me" saavik
has disconnected.
Severy-4 says, "I may tag along, I couldn't figure out everything in there
myself either :-)" Arthur-1 says, "John - it says "request has been
deleted" dcarson says, "looks good John"
Arthur-1 says, "Unless I got the URL wrong..." dcarson says, "the link
worked for me"
Severy-4 says, "beware the wraparound, Arthur" dcarson says, "check if the
request ID got truncated or spaces added" john-r says, "I am looking at the
page Arthur, DANA do you have it on your screen?" Severy-4 says, "Request
IDs are six characters long" dcarson says, "yes"
Severy-4 says, "I got to it ok"
Arthur-1 says, "Yeah, it's ok now"
john-r says, "Greg and Scotty - do you have it up?" dcarson says, "the
trailer should go after both sidebars, not offset like it is" kokhmmm says,
"John's updated chapter page needs approval (Pete replacing Tim)" kokhmmm
says, "I cannot get in that URL, have been trying regularly, user name and
or password rejected" Arthur-1 says, "I just this evening received a
response from the UCO/Lick Observatory on using their Moon image - they're
happy to give it to us, but we have to credit them, and they do want a $25
check..." Severy-4 says, "I changed your username to 'kokhmmm', Peter"
Severy-4 says, "Want me to change the WSD password to your MOO login
password?" kokhmmm says, "Yes, I tried that, Randall" john-r says, "The
specific questions, 1-is this a good way to start with the new look in the
Whats new page 2" kokhmmm says, "Yes"
john-r says, "2 the goal for this portion is to me 12-31-2002 so we have
time for correct alignment" Scottyg-1 says, "I have it up."
The housekeeper arrives to cart saavik off to bed. john-r says, "3. say
till mar 2003 is the blue and black ok?" Severy-4 says, "Ok, Peter,
password changed" john-r says, "jrs is done with tonights questions :)"
Severy-4 says, "John, any board member can approve web site updates, so
just grab the nearest board member (other than me ;-)) and harrass them
into approving the updates" john-r says, "needs discussion"
kokhmmm says, "Thanks, I'm in"
john-r says, "OK Randall"
kokhmmm says, "Love the front page, John, especially the "What's new, etc."
Grat!" kokhmmm says, "er, Great!"
john-r nudges Greg
Greg-1 is asleep.
Severy-4 says, "chuckles"
john-r says, "WAKE UP - hear the music in the background" Severy-4 chuckles.
Greg-1 says, "Sorry. I'm on the phone. :)" john-r says, "oops"
Severy-4 says, "Hey, Greg, that's *my* excuse, I only got 4-1/2 hours of
sleep last night and got up at 5 am :-(" Greg-1 says, "I managed to get
almost 6 hours, but tonight might be a long night." Scottyg-1 says, "Ok,
this looks nice but takes infrastructure to support." kokhmmm says, "But it
still seems odd to have the Moon image on the left from an odd perspective.
Now if it was the Moon's Farside on the left, and the Nearside on the
right, that would make more sense. We still have the MoonSoc logo issue"
john-r says, "My feeling is <<Current Web" john-r says, "Projects Under "
john-r says, "Construction"
john-r says, ">> should allow some lee way if the linked pages are not
quite ready for prime time" Severy-4 says, "Will the phase of the moon info
still appear anywhere or will that be moved elsewhere?" Greg-1 says, "I
really like having that feature on the front page. I use it all the time.
:)" Arthur-1 says, "I'd like to change the left hand moon image to the near
side photo, leave the moon phases on the right..." john-r says, "depends on
how My moon is presented, for the short term, the current mosoc web page
home has the phase and so does my moo, my idea is to have this page
seperate" dcarson says, "the triple cresent logo on the bumper stickers
isn't bad" kokhmmm says, "By the way, there was or is a lunar eclipse
tonight visible from Eastern U.S., but where am I, behind my keyboard!"
Arthur-1 says, "I thought it was last night?" Arthur-1 says, "I missed it
anyway - it was over by 11 I believe" kokhmmm says, "Nov. 20th. Just looked
out my skylight. No eclipse at present" john-r says, "The changing of the
moon image on the left needs to be a board dicission at next meeting, needs
an AGENDA Item" Scottyg-1 says, "Um, I guess I'm confused. I thought this
was destined to be the home page." Severy-4 says, "John, my thoughts on My
Moon Society is that it will be an "alternate" home page, for those people
who prefer the personalized version, so it will have most of the same info
and navigation elements as the real home page" Severy-4 says, "That's why I
cloned the home page for the layout of My Moon Society" Scottyg-1 says, "If
so, I think it should keep the moon phases." john-r says, "Scotty it is,
BUT Michael brought up, that a complete roll out will take time, so this is
now a way proposed for a lead in to the new overall look, and in theroy can
be done in workable chuncks" Greg-1 says, "But the personal version and the
public version will be graphically similar, yes?" Severy-4 says, "Yes"
dcarson says, "the news and moon phase give nonmembers a reason to come
back which gives a chance to sell them on becoming members" Severy-4 says,
"So any design changes to the home page as part of this effort would be
merged into My Moon Society" Arthur-1 says, "John has some notes on what's
needed at http://www.moonsociety.org/private/web-team/wp/index-notes.html"
Arthur-1 says, "I don't know if you have a better list John, but I agree
with Scotty that the front-page change needs to have at least a bit of the
back-end infrastructure work done to support it..." MikeD is back
Scottyg-1 says, "Yeah, we need to plan carefully how various parts of this
will be done." Greg-1 says, "John's notes sound pretty neat!" Greg-1 says,
"Yeah."
john-r says, "Scotty, point is very good, it all needs planed." Greg-1
says, "Oh, FYI, the flashy text is due to style sheets rather than PHP."
MikeD says, "What flashy text?"
john-r says, "Scotty have you been to the web-teams index to see all thats
there?" Arthur-1 says, "Peter, I just noticed your 10/30 logo suggestion -
I like it!" Greg-1 says, "The way the text changes color when you mouseover
it." Scottyg-1 says, "For example, we will need to have some rules about
the images so they fit in properly, a scheme for where to put them and how
to rotate through the list a source for the text " Greg-1 says, "It's
style.hover"
MikeD says, "Oh, yeah, I thiought you were talking about something elsde"
Greg-1 says, "Yup. Define standards for images and such." Severy-4 says,
"Actually, Greg, it's JavaScript defined by style sheets" Greg-1 says, "The
"Join Us" button's flashing is a combination of Javascript + animated gif.
One of my finer moments, I think." Severy-4 says, "You can do the flashy
text without using style sheets, but you have to define the JavaScript
manually" MikeD says, "If you use the thumbnails they are all 96 max by 96
max, can be smaller but can't be bigger." john-r says, "One idea to start
the change would be to change the current pages from black to blue-any
thoughts?" Greg-1 says, "It doesn't work without Javascript turned on?"
Severy-4 says, "Nope"
Greg-1 says, "OIC"
Severy-4 says, "err, maybe I'm wrong about that, I'm looking at the home
page source right now" Severy-4 says, "I see the JavaScript in there, but
that's for the images" Severy-4 says, "Umm, nebbermind"
Severy-4 says, "I'm asleep on my feet, I'll use that excuse :-)" kokhmmm
says, "It's just a defect in clone #4 ;-)" Arthur-1 says, "Can we define a
template for the left and right side-bars (would that be header and footer
templates?) to make it easier to be common to different pages?" Severy-4
says, "Yup, not enough brain cells to go around :-(" Greg-1 <-- believes
anything he hears.
Severy-4 says, "Yes, the left side-bar can be defined in a header template
and the right side-bar would be defined in a footer template" john-r says,
"And one additional question ffro the future, is on the do we do away with
style seets and just have WSD Templates?" MikeD says, "The right sidebar
may only be useful on the homepage, it should be possible to do without it"
Arthur-1 says, "Good point Mike"
Greg-1 says, "I like style sheets."
Greg-1 says, "For one thing, you can do great stuff with them." Scottyg-1
says, "This can all be put into templates. I think for some areas, two
sidebars eats too much page space needed for other things." Severy-4 says,
"The comment in the moonsoc.header file notwithstanding :-)" MikeD says,
"No problem, we'll put style sheets in it" Greg-1 says, "But the style
sheet can be part of a template." Severy-4 says, "WSD gets along with style
sheets just fine" Scottyg-1 says, "So we might want two or more templates."
Greg-1 says, "Yeah."
dcarson says, "but variatins on a theme so they look like part of the same
site" Arthur-1 says, "I don't think we have to change colors (to answer
John's question) until we have something a bit more substantive to change.
Do we have a plan for how to link MyMoon and the teams page into the
current home page?" Greg-1 says, "But plan the templates so that you don't
have to maintain the same code in more than one place." dcarson says, "yep
include files help a lot" Scottyg-1 says, "Yep, use wsd includes." Severy-4
says, "My plan is to simply add Teams and My Moon Society links on the left
side nav-bar, until such time as the overall redesign is completed" MikeD
says, "I never envisioned the right bar being used all the time, it would
mess up mymoon for a start" Greg-1 says, "My ultimate expression of style
sheets and a complex web page built by a large committee:
http://www.simshost.com/" Severy-4 says, "The Teams link will replace the
current Groups link, which is obsolete" Arthur-1 says, "Well, there's no
Groups link on the current page anyway. Would the other replace the
"Members Only" link?" Severy-4 says, "The Groups link is on some subpages,
I plan on making it more consistent :-)" Greg-1 says, "Yeah."
MikeD says, "And what's in members only? Only MMM." Scottyg-1 says, "That
was my question earlier Arthur, but John says he has some plans for
Members-Only." Severy-4 says, "I don't know, Arthur, we still need to
figure out what to do about Members Only" Greg-1 says, "That's an example
of where we want the template to call in lots of little files, so that if
we build special-purpose templates they'll end up with the same look
throughout the site." dcarson says, "mymoon as the home for members only
might make sense" Greg-1 says, "We could make all the team's sites members
only." Greg-1 says, "And give each team a public page." Scottyg-1 says,
"Yeah, with some links added." Arthur-1 says, "Mainly means adding an MMM
archive link to the MyMoon page?" Severy-4 says, "Except that we want
non-members to try to go into My Moon Society, they'll get harrassed into
joining" MikeD says, "Whas anyone looked at the logo ideas in
http://www.moonsociety.org/private/web-team/logo_sugg.html" Greg-1 says, "I
still like the one on the bumper sticker best. :)" Severy-4 says, "If it's
labelled Members Only they won't bother trying to go in there" Greg-1 says,
"FYI, my pumpkinizer goes off in 3 minutes." kokhmmm says, "Greg, is the
one on the bumper sticker online somewhere?" Arthur-1 says, "I very much
like Peter's new one:
http://www.moonsociety.org/private/web-team/moonsoclogo2_pk.htm" MikeD
says, "That's good too, why not put it up there with the rest of the
suggestions, or at least tell me where to find it" dcarson says, "do we
have the bumber sticker one online?" MikeD says, "It is, i've seen it but
don't ask me what years images it's in" Scottyg-1 says, "I think its online
somewhere in the leaders area, but it may be on ASI." Scottyg-1 says, "(We
did it before Moon Society was set up.)" Severy-4 says, "The team
information page for each team in the Teams area includes the Summary file
from the private team area, Href URLs in that summary file are
encouraged..." dcarson says, "that isn't bad either (new logo from Peter)"
john-r says, "For tonight _ The thought is then the right bar is on the
Home Page Mainly?" Arthur-1 says, "With a sharper moon image on it..."
Arthur-1 says, "Yes, sounds like right bar would be home page" john-r says,
"And the right side bar as shown is the goal for 12-31?" Scottyg-1 says,
"Yeah, I think so too. And maybe in some other places where space isn't at
a premium." Arthur-1 says, "But keeping the "moon phases" image" Arthur-1
says, "?"
john-r says, "any one not in aggreement say HOLD ON :)" Scottyg-1 says,
"Except, if its to be the home page, the image at the top right should be
the Moon Phases." MikeD says, "We could make our own moon [phases images
you know" john-r says, "I have a place holder for the moon phases, and
agree that it should be on the home page" Greg-1 says, "Yup."
Greg-1 officially turns into a pumpkin. kokhmmm says, "does someone want to
speak for looking up the bumper sticker logo and emailing the rest of us
with the URL?" Greg-1 says, "G'night guys!"
dcarson says, "get the footer below both sidebars, add the moon phases, add
logo" john-r says, "TY Greg and nite"
Arthur-1 says, "Good night greg"
kokhmmm says, "G'night"
dcarson says, "gnight Greg"
MikeD says, "we could do up the moonphases images in PoV ray or something"
Greg-1 has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to remove Greg-1. MikeD says, "gnight"
Arthur-1 says, "Well, we seem to be degenerating... John, have we answered
enough questions for now?" john-r says, "I was just going to say that
Arthur, I am rested or done or thru or ready to go or :)" Severy-4 says,
"We can definitely keep the discussion going on the mailing list, there
hasn't been a shortage of activity there lately..." MikeD says, "I have
enough on my plate with teams and lists" Arthur-1 says, "Yup. "
Arthur-1 says, "Ok, can I move to adjourn for tonight?" Severy-4 says, "You
bet! And we don't even need to vote on it!" MikeD says, "But I'm up for
working on the webpage too" dcarson says, "always allowed under Robetts
Rules of Order" john-r tipsy's across the room with the plate , and tries
not to spill it Severy-4 says, "Next meeting is two weeks from tonight, I
expected all of you to be there :-)" john-r says, "yes sir re bob"
Arthur-1 says, "Thanks Randall, for another meeting well run!" Severy-4
says, "Otherwise known as December 4th" john-r says, "Thanks to you all"
MikeD says, "I'm not so sure about me yet" Severy-4 says, "I understand,
Mike"
john-r says, "how so MikeD?"
Arthur-1 says, "I may have some news by then :-)" MikeD says, "When was
Pearl harbor attacked?" Arthur-1 says, "Dec 7"
MikeD says, "Oh"
Severy-4 says, "With any luck most of the major overhaul of the teams will
be behind us by then" MikeD says, "I may be in transit or moving or
something" MikeD says, "Haha"
Severy-4 grins.
Severy-4 says, "Hey, we can dream, can't we? :-)" MikeD says, "When pigs
fly"
Scottyg-1 says, "Well darn. I can't find the bumper sticker." Arthur-1
says, "Good luck mike, and all" Arthur-1 says, "Good night!"
Severy-4 says, "Oh, they can fly just fine, it's *landing* that's the
problem :-)" john-r says, "Nite Arthur"
Arthur-1 has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to remove Arthur-1. MikeD says, "Not sure about
anything yet." dcarson says, "can always scan o of the stickers" MikeD
says, "You don't need to scan them, they're online somewhere" MikeD says,
"Let me have a look on my machine here" john-r says, "DAna do you have a
sticker and a scanner?" dcarson says, "yes and no"
john-r says, "Randall do you have both?" Severy-4 says, "Around here
somewhere and yes, in the office" john-r says, "Maybe after teams go live ,
maybe this week, end, as Scotty or I may find the current image by then"
Scottyg-1 says, "I should have it on my computer somewhere too." MikeD
says, "There's a blue and a green version" kokhmmm has disconnected.
john-r says, "Nite Peter"
john-r says, "Randall, for next meeting can you have a spot for Peter's
image board, that he had on the leaders list?" Severy-4 says, "Peter's
image board?"
john-r says, "anything else before i go?" john-r says, "His modle lunar
lander and show display, for discussion ect.." Severy-4 says, "Oh, the
exhibit thing he's working on" dcarson says, "he sent email with a PDF file
for making a trifold display with a poster and 2 side panels" john-r says,
"yes"
MikeD says, "http://www.moonsociety.org/images/msgreen.jpg" Severy-4 says,
"We haven't had much chance to get into chapter stuff yet, but I hope to
after we get the more immediate projects out of the way" Severy-4 says,
"But without Membership we don't have Chapters, so Membership stuff
definitely comes first" john-r says, "true"
john-r says, "On MikeD.a url, i kinda do not like it, i kinda like the
plain moon that we have, " john-r says, "MIKED wikk you have time to add
that to the logo area before the next meeting?" MikeD says, "Yes, but the
plain moon isn't a logo and never can be" john-r says, "will = wikk"
The housekeeper arrives to cart kokhmmm off to bed. MikeD says, "Oh, I'll
have time alright" MikeD says, "There are several others"
Scottyg-1 says, "Bedtime for me too."
john-r says, "anyway, anything befor i gooo" Scottyg-1 says, "G'nite!"
john-r says, "Nite Scotty"
MikeD says, "night all"
john-r says, "Nite MikeD"
john-r says, "Nite Randall"
john-r says, "nite Dana"
john-r says, "Nite DaveW-1"
MikeD says, "Oh next meeting I'm going to start by wishing everybody a
goodnight" Severy-4 says, "Going down to 26 degrees in Hanksville, Utah
tonight, there are going to be some very *cold* Martians out there :-("
MikeD says, "Not if they are properly equipped as I think they are" john-r
says, "cold is a good character test" john-r says, "bye"
Severy-4 says, "Good night, John!"
john-r says, "IS THE RECORDER OFF"
john-r says, "now bye"
Severy-4 says, "Not yet, let me take care of that..."

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