-- Start log: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 9:00:58 pm ASI Meeting Server time --

Severy switches places with Severy-4
Michael arrives.
Severy-4 says, "Greg, Dana, and Michael, please send a clone to the ASI
Board room" MikeD follows Severy-4 into the room
saavik says, "I still can't turn on the recorder - that was the GRN, Greg"
Severy-4 says, "Amy, please remind me about that when I get back from ISDC"
MikeD says, "It's already on"
saavik says, "yes, it is but I requested it before you arrived Mike :-)"
saavik says, "And will do Randall"
john-r arrives.
john-r says, "evening"
irs arrives.
MikeD reads the meeting agenda
kokhmmm has arrived.
irs reads the meeting agenda
kokhmmm reads the meeting agenda
Michael reads the meeting agenda
irs leaves.
irs arrives.
irs says, "Am I in the right place?"
MikeD says, "Looks like it Ian"
Severy-4 says, "Hi, Ian! Please send a clone into the ASI Board Room"
Michael says, "http://www.asi.org/private/artemis-list-archive/" Michael
says, "for those that haven't seen it yet...." kokhmmm says, "Hello, Ian,
Mike, Randall" MikeD says, "Hi Peter"
irs says, "You've got a good case, Randall. I couldn't even figure out how
to duplicate this "world". A clone?!" Severy-4 says, "Umm, then just head
over to the ASI Board Room and come back here later" saavik says, "Is there
something special in the board room?" Severy-4 says, "We don't have the
time to fiddle with it tonight" Michael says, "ASI Board meeting...."
irs says, "Gothca. Who do I @join?"
Michael says, "Severy-5"
irs leaves.
MikeD says, "Peter, have you taken a look at any of the chapter websites
today?" kokhmmm says, "Yes, after Arthur made a change I requested in
ASI_Europe URL" MikeD says, "Um, which was that, what did I miss?" kokhmmm
says, "Yes, I have checked all the chapter websites yesterday, not today,
though." MikeD says, "Did you see the new templates that we have" saavik
reads the meeting agenda
kokhmmm says, "No, some chapters are using a template I made: Utah,
Houston" Scottyg has arrived.
kokhmmm says, "Mike, just checked the North Texas site. Nice. Optional?"
Scottyg says, "Hi all. Sorry I'm late." MikeD says, "We now have a standard
Moon Society template on some of them,
http://www.moonsociety.org/chapters/bams for instance. I was wondering if
you had anything you wanted to add to them or if you wanted to apply them
to the ones from your template (though I don't see why)?" saavik says, "so
which meeting starts when?" Michael says, "I think they both start at the
same time.... " MikeD says, "It's kind of optional. What we'll do is make
it like that for any that don't have a page up already, but I don't really
want to mess with existing pages" Severy-4 says, "The ASI Board Meeting is
going on right now, so we'll start this one slowly :-)" Severy-4 says, "Not
everyone took my "please show up on time" request seriously :-)" MikeD
says, "I can see this is going to be a 6 hour meeting" saavik says, "*rolls
eyes*"
Severy-4 says, "It better not be, I have a plane to catch in the morning"
Arthur says, "chapter template looks nice" MikeD says, "Ahh, you can get
all the sleep you need on the plane!" MikeD says, "In between the orange
services and the meals" kokhmmm says, "I see its up also for Mid-Atlantic
but not Huntsville" MikeD says, "Huntsville I didn't get around to yet"
Severy-4 says, "It's not the sleep on the plane I'm worried about, it's the
sleeping in the car on the way to the airport :-)" MikeD says, "Some of
them didn"
MikeD says, "some of them didn't want to work for some reason" kokhmmm
says, "Mike, this is a great idea especially for chapter leaders without
webpage software or experience. I like it." MikeD says, "So if you want to
play with one Peter you could probably add some stuff to the main body so
that team leaders have an idea what to put in there" MikeD says, "The idea
may have been mine, but the work was almost all Dana and John" Severy-4
says, "We'll get through the ASI Board meeting as quick as possible, we'll
need to stay in a minor holding pattern here since Ian hasn't figured out
how to be in two places at once yet" MikeD says, "I do believe Arthur
helped once or twice" kokhmmm says, "Mike, I see you also did it for San
Diego (which David Schrunk will take over) and Bay Area. I'll draw Dick
Steffens (Oregon) attention to it and he can let you know if he wants in."
Arthur says, "You don't like taking credit do you Mike :-)" Arthur says,
"Hey Mike, did you get hold of Dana? I've been in touch with him off and on
the last few days" MikeD says, "I'll take credit where it's due, but I try
to give it where it's due too" john-r gives MikeD a gental bow
MikeD says, "Only for Dana this couldn't really have been done. And John
did all the grunt work" MikeD says, "We needed Dana for the php" john-r
says, "Dana did the php team connectiones" Michael reads the meeting agenda
MikeD says, "John did the html"
john-r says, "If we are in a holding pattern- PETER- have you seen the
lunar directory pages and are the words ok?" john-r says, "Ian - did you
see my e-mail on Artemis Mag listing?? and is it ok" MikeD says, "Those
templates will also be used for the teams btw" john-r says, "oops - ian
anint here"
Arthur says, "Ian's not here just now - in the other room" john-r says, "TY
Arthur"
MikeD says, "He's unable to be in two places at once" john-r says, "in a
way - we all shold be :) in one place - one task" MikeD says, "Well, who
are we to argue with the meeting schedulers :-)" john-r says, "good point"
Michael reads the meeting agenda
kokhmmm says, "John, I looked at the page today, looked fine. I did not
check in detail for any edits. I'll do that now." MikeD says, "I wish David
Schruncks' renewal would post so I can get on with the San Diego thing"
john-r says, "Peter- LRS should be the same less wisconsion MMM had
pargraph 3 shortened" john-r says, "err paragraph 2"
kokhmmm says, "John, Caught it. It is okay." john-r says, "TY"
kokhmmm says, "Welcome"
john-r says, "Peter did you ever get access to ASI wsd ? i do now myself
for publishing" kokhmmm says, "Scotty, what is the status of David
Schrunk's renewal?" kokhmmm says, "Mike, I emailled Dick Steffens on your
template, and will email Huntsville and Central New Jersey." kokhmmm says,
"Arthur, did you want a Long Island Outpost website? The new template?"
saavik says, "I'm glad that you all have stuff to do while we wait :-)"
MikeD says, "The gentleman in huntsville hasn't put up anything yet,
perhaps I forgot to givr him directions on how to do so" Arthur says, "Yeah
sure, why not"
MikeD says, "I think David Schruncks renewal is waiting for Jeniffer"
john-r says, "uhh Amy how about help dir info mail box, thats wher i am
going inbetween" john-r says, ":)"
Michael says, "we're almost done...."
Scottyg-3 has arrived.
Arthur says, "Mike, I think James is going to start doing those renewals. I
could do David's by hand here though." MikeD says, "I'm not sure what the
status is on that yet Arthur. I think Randall wants to get James and Scotty
together to work out the details" MikeD says, "James certainly couldn't be
slower than Jeniffer" Severy-4 says, "We'll be talking about the status on
that later in the meeting" MikeD says, "And he's on the MOO often enough to
bug him" saavik says, "good point john"
saavik says, "I'm debugging code right now also" MikeD says, "Arthur or
Peter, What was the change to Artemis Europe?" john-r says, "and the same
help dir - for anyone needing somthing to do" Scottyg-3 says, "It will be a
discussion topic for tonight's meeting." MikeD says, "Cuz that page needs
changing" Michael says, "ok.... we're back."
irs arrives.
MikeD says, "Oh goody"
kokhmmm says, "Europe had the first part of the URL twice i.e.
www.moonsociety.org/chapters/moonsociety.org/europe if I remember right."
Severy-4 says, "Ok, let's get this show on the road! Sorry for the delay,
folks, just some organizational business to take care of next door" MikeD
says, "Ahh, well that page is actually an ASI page and we'll have to change
it" john-r says, "we never heard anything from next door, were ya sleepin
:)" Scottyg-5 has arrived.
Severy-4 says, "Starting right off at the top: ISDC Status" Arthur says,
"Mike, the change for Europe was the URL was missing the http:// part ..."
MikeD says, "Soundproof room for butt kickin'" Severy-4 says, "Ack, *six*
Scottys?!"
MikeD says, "Dats very Star Trek"
MikeD says, "Six Scottys"
Severy-4 says, "This agenda item was just to update everyone on what Moon
Society activities are taking place this weekend, I'll try to type fast"
Scottyg-5 says, "I finally got fed up with the cellphone connection and
plugged in the modem." Severy-4 says, "Arthur is running the Moon Track at
ISDC" Severy-4 says, "I'm giving a presentation on the Artemis Project and
the Moon Society on Saturday afternoon" kokhmmm says, "Mike the Europe page
does not seem to have been edited for years. Not sure if anyone is home!"
Severy-4 says, "And we're hosting an unofficial Moon Society gathering over
dinner tomorrow night in the hotel" MikeD says, "Nobody is home there at
all" Severy-4 says, "Those are the plans as they currently stand, and may
or may not survive contact with California :-)" Michael will be there but
has no official duties.... Severy-4 says, "Any questions on ISDC before we
move on?" Michael says, "or contact with beer..." Severy-4 says, "Ok,
moving on to the Lunar Directory..." MikeD says, "Don't get Dale started on
the Guinness" john-r says, "no ? from me"
Severy-4 says, "Most of you have probably seen John's various e-mails about
the new Lunar Directory web page" Arthur says, "Michael, did you ever
contact Bob Hillhouse? They're doing the enterprise thing on Saturday
morning, and might have room to hear about your stuff in there.." Severy-4
says, "John, want to repost the URL in here for those who haven't seen it
yet?" Michael says, "yep.... already talked it over with him..." Scottyg
has disconnected.
john-r says, "yup brb"
Severy-4 says, "Another Scotty bites the dust :-)" saavik says, "I'm not
even sure where the question was for iSDC" Severy-4 says, "Which question,
Amy?"
MikeD says, "If one o them scottys, should accidentally fall" Scottyg-3 has
disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to remove Scottyg-3. john-r says, "see
http://www.moonsociety.org/lunar-directory/" Severy-4 says, "They're
dropping like flies!" MikeD says, "More like green bottles on a wall"
john-r says, "AND IAN, is the Artemis Mag listing OK ???" irs says, "Didn't
see an Artemis Magazine listing. Guess I gotta load up Navigator and take a
look." irs says, "Back in a few."
dcarson-1 says, "looks good, as it get longer we'll need to add an index at
the top" saavik says, "Just trying to figure out what to put in the minutes
Randall :-)" john-r says, "I added Artemis this afternoon" john-r says,
"Art MAg that is"
Severy-4 says, "No question for ISDC, Amy, just a brief status update"
john-r says, "Greg any comments on Artemis Prj and ASI ??" john-r says, "on
the words"
john-r says, "And i sent a request to Tim for Lunar Traders" kokhmmm says,
"John, Do you have some sort of order: importance, alphabetical, age?"
john-r says, "alpha"
john-r says, "without any *the*"
MikeD says, "I still think that ASI logo looks bad that way, there must be
a bigger one somewhere" john-r says, "Maybe Greg has an idea"
Severy-4 says, "Greg probably knows where a hi-res color ASI log can be
found" The housekeeper arrives to cart Scottyg off to bed. kokhmmm says,
"Got it. Alpha. An index would be nice, with anchors, as list gets longer,
so you don't have to scroll unless you want to." john-r says, "yup, Peter-
as the list grows I WANT A DATABASE :)" Michael says, "I tried cleaning it
up in Gimp but its just to small..." MikeD says, "I know there's a larger
one somewhere" Severy-4 says, "Yup, me too, I just don't remember where"
MikeD says, "And I never did finish the thumbnail indexes for years prior
to 99" Michael reads the meeting agenda
john-r says, "hows a come :)"
irs says, "I'm back. Quick glance at the Artemis Magazine listing says it
looks good. Thanks." john-r says, "And i found some images in the ADB that
are not in the image dir, " john-r says, "when i was doing the changing
image" john-r says, "or not in the listing that is" Michael says, "speaking
of logos... randall, on that powerpoint one of hte changes I made was to
recreate that front page logo..." john-r says, "but thats another dy"
john-r says, "day - make that year "
Severy-4 says, "Ok, we'll have to come back to Greg later when he notices
that there's activity in this window" Greg says, "I'm trying to figure out
where the high-rez ASI logo is hiding." Severy-4 says, "Oops, he must have
heard me typing :-)" Greg says, "I know I have one on my Mac." Greg says,
"LOL"
Greg says, "Keep going. I'll search."
irs says, "I'd rewrite the Lunar Resources Company listing a bit." Greg
says, "How big do you need it, Randall?" Severy-4 says, "Michael, yeah I
saw your reference to that, that's good, that front page was a bit messed
up" Severy-4 says, "As a replacement image in
http://www.moonsociety.org/lunar-directory, Greg" irs says, "I'd put a
period after "lunar base", and then replace the rest with "The Lunar
Resources Company is the program integrator for the commercial side of the
Artemis Project."" john-r says, "126 pixs wide"
MikeD says, "Or larger"
john-r says, "Ian we need help on the words for tTLRC, any time while we
caht??" Greg says, "Oh! Not high-resolution, but higher than that one."
john-r says, "chat"
irs says, "Huh?"
john-r says, "ANy Ideas for the words in the TLRC listing?" john-r says,
"Like what you would like to see, i just grabed the one from the home page"
irs says, "Oh, also, for the Artemis Magazine listing; 1) will the cover
image update as I publish new issues; 2) is the duplication of the cover in
the listing and on the left margin too much." john-r says, "the home page
of TLRC web site" Severy-4 reminds everyone here that John's ISP tends to
lag quite a bit, so he'll sometimes be referring to things said a while ago
:-) irs says, "Make the change I listed above. It'll do for now. I'll
rewrite later if necessary." john-r says, "Ian 1-Yes it is the cover.jpg,
and in my email this afternoon i asked if maybe LRC Pub may be the better
listing" john-r says, "with the LRC Pub logo"
irs says, "Ah, www.tlrc.com. Yes, that page has needed updating for quite a
while, but I don't have time before I head to Ohio. Next week, maybe."
john-r says, "that will work, at least whats there is the same as the TLRC
web page" irs says, "Once we start with other publications, the corporate
logo will be better. At the moment, with the magazine our only product, I
prefer the cover image to represent the company." john-r says, "sounds good
to me"
john-r says, "any other ? on the lunar dir while Greg looks fo an
image--maybe we can move on - and come back as needed" Severy-4 says, "For
those of you behind on e-mail, the announcement about the Lunar Directory
(and announcement list) that I'm going to distribute at ISDC is available
at http://www.moonsociety.org/private/outreach/flyers/BigTentFlyer.doc"
Severy-4 says, "Yup, let's move on, unless there are any other urgent
issues" Severy-4 says, "going once..."
Severy-4 says, "....twice..."
Michael reads the meeting agenda
Severy-4 says, "Ok, moving on to the Call for Volunteers" john-r says, "is
that flyer going to be in an e-mail to the members- and will it need a
place in the society news on the home page?" john-r says, "hold it :)"
saavik reads the meeting agenda
Severy-4 says, "Those of you who get artemis-list and are caught up on your
e-mail will know that the official Call for Volunteers went out earlier
this week" irs says, "Oops, yeah, gotta look at Randall's announcement. Be
right back." Severy-4 says, "John, that question will be answered in two
more agenda items tonight :-)" dcarson-1 says, "new news on the home page
is usually a good thing, shows we're active" john-r says, "On the ISDC -
Ian needs a write up, and i need a write up for the society news with names
of all attending members" saavik says, "reading the doc"
john-r says, "please"
saavik says, "(can't you make it pdf?!)" john-r says, "ahhh ok"
Severy-4 says, "It's not intended for distribution, Amy, so the additional
process of generating a PDF didn't seem necessary" Severy-4 says, "That
posting was only for review" saavik says, "ok. but not all of us have
microsoft word handy :-)" saavik says, "anyway, read and looks good" MikeD
says, "Buy a real computer"
Severy-4 chuckles.
MikeD says, "Sorry, couldn't resist"
kokhmmm says, "Yeah, like a Mac OSX reads anything!" Severy-4 says, "It's
Word 97 format, any current word processor should be able to import it"
kokhmmm says, "And produces pdf by just choosing that option in print" Greg
says, "Artemis Project logo, 126x92:
http://www.asi.org/images/2003/asi-logo-126x92.jpg" Severy-4 says, "Anyway,
as mentioned in the original volunteer discussion, the Volunteers web page
is an evolving document, so we need to keep it up to date as additional
slots need filled" saavik says, "yeah, I read it fine ;-)" Severy-4 says,
"Any questions on the Call for Volunteers before we move on?" saavik says,
"I have word. was mostly complaining for any linux geeks" Severy-4 says,
"And, no, we haven't received any responses yet" saavik says, "where is the
call to read?" Michael says, "openoffice handles all word formats...."
MikeD says, "That should look better Greg" saavik says, "oh the one sent
out"
Greg says, "Yup!"
Severy-4 says, "Ok, moving on to Membership Services" Michael reads the
meeting agenda
Severy-4 says, "*Lots* of activity in this area recently" john-r says,
"Greg - oooh thats cool"
Severy-4 says, "Scotty, is your connection still alive?" john-r is in and
out updating aaasi logo MikeD says, "Must be there's still 2 of him"
Severy-4 says, "Scotty is having severe Internet connectivity problems
these days, and I think he's still connected through his cell phone"
Severy-4 says, "He warned me that when he loses the connection, he still
seems to be here, just is very quiet :-)" Severy-4 says, "Anyway, on
Scotty's behalf, I'd like to announce that we have negotiated an
arrangement with James Gholston (aka Stranglv) to take over the membership
processing duties previously done (or not done in some cases) by Jennifer
Day" Michael says, "yea!"
Greg says, "Hooray!"
john-r says, "SOUNDS Good"
saavik says, "hooray indeed"
Severy-4 says, "And Scotty has drafted a new contract between the Moon
Society and James, which the Moon Society Board needs to review and approve
tonight" Severy-4 says, "It's available at
http://www.moonsociety.org/private/board/contracts/membership-processing-contract_2.html"
saavik says, "does this mean that james can pat his new dues or did we
still plan to work on that for him?" Severy-4 says, "And for the non-board
members here, don't worry, you're not missing much, it's mostly a bunch of
legalese" Severy-4 says, "James will be able to pay his new dues thanks to
this" john-r says, "that is good"
john-r says, "and will he do renewals??" Severy-4 says, "He won't get rich
from it, but Membership Processing is the one and currently only paid job
in the Moon Society" Scottyg-5 says, "I'm here."
Severy-4 says, "Ahh, there you are!"
john-r says, "renealw letters that is, for about to expire" Severy-4 hands
the topic over to Scotty MikeD says, "That's something he feels strongly
about" Scottyg-5 says, "Oh, you're doing fine." Severy-4 says, "Most
definitely, John"
Severy-4 says, "He'll be sending out up to five renewal letters" saavik
says, "that's great :-)"
irs says, "I'm back. Big Tent Flyer looks good, Randall. Nice job. I'll go
look at the contract now." Scottyg-5 says, "I encourage everyone to read
the contract, then ask questions." Severy-4 says, "So at this point in
time, I'd like to hold an impromptu Moon Society Board Meeting" Severy-4
says, "The rest of you can listen in" Michael says, "how many
'transactions' do we expect per month?" Severy-4 says, "eval
here:announce_all("A humongous gavel comes rocketing down from the sky and
hits the ground with an enormous thud")" Severy-4 says, "Oops, can't spoof
as a clone, rats!" Michael says, "heheh"
Severy-4 says, "Oh well, you all get the idea :-)" A humongous gavel comes
rocketing down from the sky and hits the ground with an enormous thud
Severy-4 says, "There, that's better!"
Michael says, "I'm fine with it. My only concern is that its to little
compensation...." Severy-4 says, "Ok, this session of the Moon Society
Board of Directors is now official open!" Scottyg-5 says, "Michael,
typically around 20 to 25." Severy-4 says, "Board Members, please review
the proposed contract as swiftly as possible" Michael says, "that's
new/renewal? how many 'notices sent' permonth?" kokhmmm says, "Looks okay
to me"
john-r says, "j: whispers refresh
http://www.moonsociety.org/lunar-directory/" Severy-4 grins.
Scottyg-5 says, "A quick comment. The only substantive change from the
previous contract is an increase in the rate for renewal letters from $0.10
to 0.25." Severy-4 says, "We're all just slipping up tonight :-)" kokhmmm
says, "John & Greg, big improvement on ASI image!" Severy-4 says, "Up to
five renewal notices sent per expiring member, Michael" Scottyg-5 says, "Oh
- notices...perhaps 50 to 60." dcarson-1 says, "about 2 per renewel sounds
right" Michael says, "ok, I'm cool with it... we should keep an eye on it
though, James can be to nice about things like that. I'd hate for it to
become a burden...." Scottyg-5 says, "Dana, I think three because those who
don't renew will get 5." Severy-4 says, "Ok, any further discussion on the
contract before we move to a vote?" Michael says, "none from me...."
Severy-4 says, "Going once....."
irs says, "Paragraph 3e, the phrase "time to time" does not need hyphens. "
kokhmmm says, "ready to vote"
irs says, "Other than that, it looks acceptable to me." Severy-4 says,
"..... twice ......"
Michael bets Ian's English teachers just *loved* him.... ;-) Severy-4
chuckles.
Arthur says, "You think this'll be an incentive for James to recruit new
members? :-)" irs says, "One can only hope, Arthur."
Arthur says, "Looks ok to me anyway"
Severy-4 says, "I'll entertain a motion that we approve this contract with
Ian's modification" kokhmmm says, "second"
irs says, "And no, Michael, they didn't think much of me (because, for the
most part, I didn't think much of them)." Severy-4 says, "Actually, I need
someone to make the motion first :-)" Arthur says, "so moved"
Michael moves that the contract be accepted as written... dcarson-1 says,
"second"
irs says, "Can't second before the motion is made. I move we approve the
membership services contract with James Gholston." Severy-4 says, "Ok, I
think we got enough of both :-)" Severy-4 says, "All in favor?"
dcarson-1 says, "aye"
Severy-4 says, "Aye"
Michael says, "aye"
kokhmmm says, "Aye"
Arthur says, "Aye"
irs says, "Aye,"
Severy-4 says, "Greg?"
Greg says, "Oops. Aye."
Severy-4 says, "Thwap! The motion passes!" Severy-4 says, "Any other
business to come before the board tonight?" MikeD says, "About time :-)"
Severy-4 mutters "Better now be..."
Severy-4 says, "Oops, "better not be", rather" Severy-4 says, "Move to
adjourn the meeting" Michael says, "second"
MikeD says, "Only the Board Meeting that is right?" Greg says, "Rigt."
Severy-4 says, "Correct, Mike"
Severy-4 says, "All in favor?"
Greg says, "rite."
kokhmmm says, "aye"
Greg says, "aye"
Severy-4 says, "Aye"
Michael says, "yep"
Michael reads the meeting agenda
A humongous gavel comes rocketing down from the sky and hits the ground
with an enormous thud Severy-4 says, "Ok, board meeting is over!" Severy-4
says, "Last Membership Services issue for tonight: as I announced in e-mail
a few days ago, we now have a facility for sending e-mail renewal reminders
as well" Severy-4 says, "How should we handle deciding how to use that?
Make a decision here? Or just ask Scotty, Arthur, and James to figure it
out?" john-r says, "is it complet - or still in the testing stage?"
Severy-4 says, "It's complete, John"
john-r says, "YEA"
MikeD says, "Is it somewhat automatic?" Michael says, "I think those three
can figure it out on their own.... " Severy-4 says, "It's completely
automatic, Mike" Severy-4 says, "We just need to figure out when they're
sent and an e-mail template with the message to be sent" john-r says, "the
e-mail is autothe snail mail is James - right?" Severy-4 says, "Sounds
reasonable to me, Michael" MikeD says, "Then they only have to know how to
turn it on." MikeD says, "Does it also generate a report" Severy-4 says,
"Scotty and Arthur, can I give you an action item to figure out how to work
e-mail reminders into the plan?" Severy-4 says, "No, it doesn't generate a
report" Severy-4 says, "I will need to set up the scheduling of the
process, once it's decided when it will run" john-r passes on whyyy comment
Scottyg-5 says, "I'm interested in the sense of this group on how many
reminders to send." Severy-4 says, "Yes, John, the e-mail is automatic, and
the snail mail is James" MikeD says, "If it did, it could actually print
out the snail notice as well" kokhmmm says, "Should it run on the 25th of
the month when the hardcopy subscriber list is sent to MMM?" Severy-4 says,
"pb7 doesn't have a printer attached :-)" john-r says, "the report should
flow to James??" john-r says, "on the e-mail"
Severy-4 says, "It will run every night, since members expire every day,
Peter" john-r says, "so the 2 are in sync"
dcarson-1 says, "one email enough before the first snail mail so that if
they respond we can skip the snail" Severy-4 says, "But will only send
renewal reminders to members at specific points in time before and after
their membership has expired" MikeD says, "It could email the report to
James" Scottyg-5 says, "James has his own reports for the snail mail list."
Arthur says, "You want us to figure out the schedule for auto-reminders,
Randall?" Severy-4 says, "Yes, Arthur"
Severy-4 says, "The schedule and the message content" dcarson-1 says, "and
one a month as lond as we do snail?" MikeD says, "Shouldn;t there be a
reminder before the expiration date?" Scottyg-5 says, "We need to find a
balance between polite reminders and spam." Severy-4 says, "Yup"
john-r says, "yes"
Arthur says, "What's the current schedule supposed to be?" john-r says,
"ANd Peter will not need to send remindes from the MMM side - right??"
Scottyg-5 says, "I've heard once per month suggested." Severy-4 says, "The
mailed notices will be two months before, one month before, on, one month
after, and two months after, right, Scotty?" Scottyg-5 says, "Right."
irs says, "I've said it before, but: I don't think an e-mail renewal notice
carries any weight. If we want to be sure members are going to renew, we
need to send paper renewal notices, as many as three before the membership
expires. (Three is the number Mensa sends out, and SFWA. The average
magazine sends 4 to 6.)" Arthur says, "Do we want to worry about people who
respond to the first reminder with an "I'm not renewing" message, and then
get angry when we remind again?" Michael reads the meeting agenda
Severy-4 says, "As I said clearly in my e-mail announcing this, Ian, this
is *not* a replacement for paper renewal notices" john-r says, "Good Point
Arthur"
MikeD says, "It's in *addition* to"
irs says, "Sorry. I'm a bit distracted. Didn't mean to be rude. And Arthur,
it's a very rare person who'll tell you they're not going to renew." Arthur
says, "Good - don't worry about it then." Severy-4 says, "If it becomes an
issue, Arthur, we can figure out how to deal with it then" irs says, "Those
who will tell you that usually won't wait for their renewal date." Severy-4
says, "I like Dana's suggestion of an e-mail reminder before the initial
paper reminder, maybe three months out" Scottyg-5 says, "And I don't want
to make James' job more difficult." Severy-4 says, "And then maybe one
e-mail two weeks before expiration, and then two weeks after" Arthur says,
"I'd suggest an email reminder 1 month before and then a few days before
expiration, and then a reminder a month before we cut them off, and then
after we cut them off (2 months grace?)" MikeD says, "Why not one on
expiration day?" Scottyg-5 says, "I think email at 10, 6, and 2 weeks
before, and 2 & 6 weeks after." Severy-4 says, "They'll get a paper one on
expiration day, we don't want to double up e-mail and paper I don't think"
Scottyg-5 says, "Thats 2 weeks ahead of the snail mail." kokhmmm says, "And
why not one year after, reminding them of all they have missed?" Severy-4
says, "We should do special followups to expired members, we've done one in
the past, and I've done two by e-mail in the past few months" john-r says,
"Classmates is still sending cute reminders, 3 months after i left"
Severy-4 says, "But those should be more specific to events than just a
canned reminder" irs says, "Yeah, John, but they're still sending me
notices every few days... and I never signed up." Severy-4 says, "And I
just snail-mailed all expired members within 100 miles of Washington, D.C.
this past week" kokhmmm says, "Randall, agree on specificity" john-r says,
"LOL with Ian and xlassmates" Arthur says, "Ok, I like Scotty's schedule.
Scotty, can you write a draft auto-reminder notice and email it to me and
we'll discuss?" Severy-4 says, "There really should be five auto-reminder
notices, Arthur, each tailored to the time period it will go out in" john-r
says, "If that is on the MMM list i have a few thoughts to add- on the list
if thats ok" Severy-4 says, "The same one over and over again won't be as
effective" Scottyg-5 says, "We have a template in Team Director. I'll
review it and pass it along." Arthur says, "Good point..."
Severy-4 says, "The notification system is set up to support different
templates for each time period" Michael rebuilds his laptop....
john-r says, "Michael- did ya drop it :)" dcarson-1 says, "will the email
have a click to renew that will take them to a preset renewel for them?"
MikeD says, "The gavel fell on it"
john-r says, "goood point"
Severy-4 says, "It can, Dana, I think the draft that's in there now has a
URL or two in it" Michael says, "naw... I just needed both windows and
linux on it..." Scottyg-5 says, "Arthur, I'll draft the basic notice if
you'll customize it for each notice." john-r says, "Randals long swing of
the gavel- gee - i better wqtch it" Severy-4 chuckles.
dcarson-1 says, "the first email should point out that if they renew now
they save the society money of paper notices and save trees" Severy-4 says,
"Ok, anything else on Membership Services before we move on?" Severy-4
says, "Good point, Dana"
kokhmmm says, "Very good point, esp. on trees :)" Severy-4 says, "Going
once...."
Severy-4 says, "...... twice ......"
john-r says, "i will e-mail the mmm list with a copy of this part of the
log - any disagreement?" Severy-4 says, "Ok, moving on to Moon Society
Announcement" Severy-4 says, "I deliberately didn't put a link on that
agenda item because I was editing the announcement to reflect the voting
done tonight :-)" Severy-4 says, "But if you would all point your web
browsers at
http://www.moonsociety.org/cgi-bin/teamdir/teamdir?ViewTemplate=Go&Template=/email/moon-announce-052103.msg"
Severy-4 says, "Please read, review, and correct that message right now,
that announcement will be going out *tonight*" MikeD says, "For those of us
with MS Office that URL causes strange occurences" Severy-4 says, "Oh,
sorry, try this one:" Severy-4 says, "
http://www.moonsociety.org/cgi-bin/teamdir/teamdir?ViewTemplate=Go&Template=/email/moon-announce-052103.msg&Junk=Yes"
MikeD says, "Outlook tries to open files with .msg extensions" Severy-4
says, "Yeah, other times I've remembered to stick something on the end, I
forgot this time" Greg says, "What's the difference between those two?"
Severy-4 says, "I appended a bogus field at the end that Team Director will
ignore, but it makes sure the URL doesn't end in ".msg"" saavik says,
"reading"
Greg says, "Oh."
Michael says, "looks great!"
Severy-4 says, "Most of this info has gone out to artemis-list already, but
there is now very little overlap between artemis-list subscribers and the
Moon Society current membership, strangely enough" Michael says, "that
should also go in the news section off of the front page...." irs says,
"Reading: Boise HAS gone on to other pursuits, not HAD. Still reading."
Severy-4 says, "Ian, I'm sure you have some nits to pick in there :-)"
saavik says, "oh!"
Michael thinks that we should all pick on ian by calling him grammar-boy...
saavik says, "Congrats michael!"
saavik says, "I didn't know :-)"
Severy-4 grins.
Michael says, "thanks!"
Severy-4 says, "Yeah, that piece of news hadn't slipped out yet :-)"
Severy-4 says, "Since it just took place an hour ago :-)" Severy-4 says,
"Just call it Living News..." Michael reads the meeting agenda
MikeD says, "So ASI has a chairman again?" Michael says, "yep...."
Severy-4 says, "Yup!"
saavik says, "I hope people make it to the end but it is great so far (stll
reading)" Michael says, "I hope to live up to the previous office
holders...." john-r still readin
Severy-4 says, "That won't be too hard to do :-(" saavik says, "get rid of
the lack therof" saavik says, "it is hard"
saavik says, "err odd"
saavik says, "(at the last sentence)"
Severy-4 says, "Consider it gone, Amy"
saavik says, "thx :-)"
Severy-4 says, "Yeah, this was mostly stream of consciousness writing this
afternoon after 5 hours of sleep last night :-)" saavik says, "LOL"
saavik says, "but you thrive on no sleep?" Severy-4 says, "Do I have any
choice?"
Michael looks at his watch, at his flight tickets and then at randall...
john-r says, "looks good to me"
Michael reads the meeting agenda
Severy-4 says, "Ok, new version uploaded" MikeD says, "He'll get none
tomorrow either!" MikeD says, "Excuse me sir, can I wake you to ask if
you'd like water or orange juice?" Severy-4 says, "John, I don't want to
hear any cracks about you being tired, after what I said about you in there
:-)" irs says, "add commas "May 22 COMMA before the conference COMMA at
7pm"." Severy-4 says, "Done"
john-r says, "i never complained of tired - just the pay :)" Severy-4 grins.
Severy-4 triples John's salary by executive edict Severy-4 says, "There,
now stop complaining :-)" john-r notes Randall granted me twicw what i was
getting :) irs says, "Change "we need you to get involved" to "we hope
you'll get involved". Can't put too much pressure on them, since they're
already involved by paying their dues." Severy-4 says, "Now that puts you
at six times what you were getting!" john-r is quiet
john-r says, "but here"
irs says, "Delete the phrase ", or lack thereof,"." Severy-4 says, "Yup,
already did that on Amy's request" Scottyg-5 says, "Looks good to me
Randall." irs says, "Looks good."
Arthur says, "Looks good - congratulations Michael!" Severy-4 says, "you
mean "we need you to join", Ian?" irs says, "Yeah, Randall, that one."
Severy-4 says, "Got it"
Severy-4 says, "Ok, new version uploaded" MikeD says, "Same URL?"
irs says, "Looks good to me."
Severy-4 says, "Yup, just reload"
Michael reads the meeting agenda
Severy-4 says, "or refresh, whatever suits you best :-)" Severy-4 says,
"Ok, thanks for the impromptu editing, folks!" MikeD says, "Refresh, that
reminds me of hotel work" Severy-4 says, "The announcement will go out
momentarily" irs says, "Oops, need a comma after Boise's last name." john-r
says, "Randall- will the e-mail be good enough to copy to a society news
item?" Severy-4 says, "Ok"
Severy-4 says, "Yup, it should be, John" Severy-4 says, "If someone else
can take care of that after it's been sent, I would much appreciate it, I
won't have the time tonight" irs says, "Got the comma, Randall? Second
paragraph, "replacing Boise Pearson, who has"" Severy-4 says, "Yup, do a
refresh, Ian" irs says, "Yep, you got it."
Severy-4 says, "Final version is uploaded" Severy-4 says, "Ok, anything
further on the announcement? Ready to move on?" Michael says, "ready"
Michael reads the meeting agenda
Severy-4 says, "Ok, moving on to Outreach efforts" Severy-4 says, "Anything
to report in this area, Arthur? Or anyone else?" irs reads the meeting
agenda
saavik reads the meeting agenda
john-r says, "i would like to have comments on me and aScouting per my
e-mail a few days ago- if that is ok" dcarson-1 says, "joint party at
Balticon this weekend with NSS" Severy-4 says, "As I mentioned earlier,
I've launched an outreach effort for the Mid-Atlantic Chapter,
snail-mailing all expired members within 100 miles of D.C. and e-mailing
current members in the same area who are not in the chapter, all about
joining the chapter" saavik says, "tired... what else is left before
everyone needs sleep" john-r says, "good one Amy"
Severy-4 says, "Once I have a few free minutes, Peter, I'll write up a
summary of what I did and post samples for other chapter leaders" kokhmmm
says, "I had the Milwaukee Outpost display at an Rockets for Schools event
over the weekend in Sheboygan (before shipping some items to ISDC c/o Tim &
Randall)" Michael says, "that's no small effort, randall.... anyone else in
the area that can help?" Severy-4 says, "Once I can provide some samples,
Michael, I hope all chapter leaders and even local contacts will do the
same thing in their local area" kokhmmm says, "Randall, I could just post
your letter as a template and let other outpost leaders adapt as they
will." Michael says, "just as long as you don't end up being chapter
leader..." Severy-4 [to support]: that, Team Director now has a report that
will generate a list of all members based on distance from a specific zip
code MikeD says, "Only if you point them in that direction" Severy-4 says,
"To support that, Team Director now has a report that will generate a list
of all members based on distance from a specific zip code" kokhmmm says,
"On the Space Chapter Hub site with email notice to leaders" Severy-4 says,
"Peter, I also have an e-mail that I sent out to current members who
weren't yet chapter members" john-r says, "Speaking of Chapters, i printed
a list of the chapters team, and the chapters page, and most chapters are
not in the shapters team" Severy-4 says, "But yeah, that's basically what I
had in mind" Severy-4 says, "I'll get together with you after ISDC and
we'll get something put up on the Hub site" kokhmmm says, "Okay"
Severy-4 says, "Actually, Michael, the big reason I did this was to get
enough members into the local chapter so that they can choose a chapter
leader, I certainly don't want the job :-)" saavik says, "LOL"
MikeD says, "Too bad he's one of the only good ones" kokhmmm says, "Amy for
Pres Mid Atlantic!" MikeD says, "She can't be"
saavik says, "I live in New England :-)" Severy-4 says, "John, I wasn't
sure what to make about your scouting e-mail" Michael says, "close enough"
saavik says, "I only visit mid atlantic" kokhmmm says, "Details"
Michael says, "you're closer than I am!" saavik says, "true"
kokhmmm says, "Are carpetbaggers allowed?" MikeD says, "Ian and Arthur are
closer still" saavik says, "ok, bedtime is coming... what else is up"
Severy-4 says, "We had a good chapter leader here before, but she got
overwhelmed by real life" Severy-4 says, "Anything more on grant
opportunities, Michael?" Michael says, "no update on the grant stuff... so
far I've gotten zero responses from all the contacts I made...." saavik
says, "secretary doesn't seem to be much use for tonight's meeting..." irs
says, "Ian whistles and looks at the ceiling (except that he can't really
whistle)." Severy-4 chuckles.
Michael says, "I'm going to attempt a recontact after ISDC...." kokhmmm
says, "Amy for Pres of Mass./Boston chapter!" Severy-4 says, "Sounds good"
MikeD says, "That could certainly be made into an outpost" Severy-4 says,
"Any objections to postponing the rest of the agenda items until the next
meeting? I get the sense that everyone's ready to get out of here..."
john-r <- $include
{$prop:docroot$/util/moonsoc-blue-header-stylesheet.txt}>"to MikeD Michael
reads the meeting agenda
Severy-4 says, "And I know that I need to :-)" Michael says, "sounds good
to me... I have to go pack." irs says, "You betcha, Randall. I've got
packing to do, too." Arthur says, "Sorry guys, I've been working on the
ISDC stuff at the same time..." kokhmmm says, "No objections to adjourning"
Severy-4 says, "Understood, Arthur, you were here when we needed you :-)"
Arthur says, "Sounds great on outreach though - great work!" john-r says,
"sounds good on closing meeting- except MikeD and i need to chat on some
templates" Arthur says, "Ok with me to adjourn"
Severy-4 says, "Seeing no objections, we're outta here!" Severy-4 says,
"Thanks for a great meeting, everyone!" john-r says, "Randall- On Scouting
- next meeting- ok" Michael says, "see you guys tomorrow!"
Arthur says, "Yup!"
Severy-4 says, "And I'll some of you tomorrow!" john-r says, "Good Luck to
ALL THE Travlers" kokhmmm has disconnected.
Severy-4 says, "In person, even!"
Michael says, "randall, you have my cell number, right?" saavik says, "have
a great time!"
john-r says, "Nite Amy"
saavik says, "I look forward to hearing about it when you all return" MikeD
says, "You'll *what* some of is in person even?" irs says, "Enjoy
California... and Balticon. I'll be in Ohio." saavik says, "When do you get
back anwyay>" Scottyg-5 says, "Ya'll have a good time at ISDC. Wish I could
go. :=(" saavik says, "I'll be in Arizona :-)"
Severy-4 says, "I get back at 1:00 am Tuesday morning" saavik says, "oh ugh"
john-r says, "will you be at moo this week end?" saavik says, "a couple of
hours behind us ;-) we get in late monday night" Severy-4 says, "Yeah, and
you don't want to hear about my schedule the rest of the week, it makes
this week look like a picnic :-(" MikeD says, "Arizona to San Jose is only
a commuter flight" Severy-4 says, "I'll wave at your plane as it goes by,
Amy :-)" saavik says, "lol"
irs says, "I'm driving back Wednesday next. Shouldn't be back in New York
'til real late (and then back to work Thursday morning, so no e-mail before
Thursday night)." saavik says, "me too randall"
Michael goes home.
saavik says, "and yeah mike but not when you are visiting the in-laws"
john-r says, "MIKD can you stay a min"
john-r says, "MIKED"
MikeD says, "I'll hang"
irs says, "Good night, all."
irs says, "I'm outta here."
saavik says, "night all!"
saavik has disconnected.
irs has disconnected.
john-r says, "Bye Ian"
john-r says, "Randall and Greg is next WED the ASSI Leaders meet??" john-r
says, "ASI"
john-r says, "what a typo- sorry"
Severy-4 says, "Yes, next wednesday, John" Scottyg-5 says, "G'nite all."
MikeD says, "Nite"
Scottyg-5 has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to remove Scottyg-5. The housekeeper arrives to
cart kokhmmm off to bed. MikeD says, "John, where should that include be?"
Severy-4 says, "Ok, announcement sent to 201 members (47 poor souls got it
twice when the mail server hiccuped for some strange reason)" The
housekeeper arrives to cart saavik off to bed. The housekeeper arrives to
cart irs off to bed. MikeD says, "Oh dear!"
MikeD says, "How sad!"
MikeD says, "Never mind!"
john-r says, "mike it should be in the header" john-r says, "it was in my
team header" MikeD says, "Wouldn't it already be in the header?" john-r
says, "it should be- whats the url for wsd express for bams" john-r says,
"or i can find my join e-amail" john-r says, "and i have no more than 20
min or so" john-r says, "but i have siad that before" john-r says, ":)"
MikeD says, "http://chapters.moonsociety.org/cgi-bin/teamwsdexpress/bams/wsd"
MikeD says, "I gave the template a different name in the chapters" john-r
says, "going there brb"
MikeD says, "chapter-index.template"
MikeD says, "I also called it team-index.template in most of the teams"
MikeD says, "I seem to recall it was originally called something like
index-team01.template" Severy-4 says, "Let me shut down the recorder for
teh night"

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