-- Start log: Wednesday, June 4, 2003 8:59:30 pm ASI Meeting Server time --

Greg-1 arrives amidst thundering applause. saavik says, "remind me to ask
randall to fix the disconnect as well." dcarson reads the meeting agenda
saavik says, "Hi Greg"
saavik reads the meeting agenda
Greg-1 says, "Don't forget to fix the disconnect as well." Greg-1 says, ":D"
dcarson thwaps Greg-1 with a rolled-up newspaper. "Bad! Bad! Bad!!!" saavik
says, ":-P"
Michael arrives.
Michael says, "good evening...."
saavik says, "Good evening"
saavik says, "the secretary is sick and is not likely to last the meeting,
just to pre-warn " dcarson says, "helo all"
dcarson says, "rest and feel better Amy" Greg-1 says, "Hi Dana! Michael!
Amy! Dave!" saavik says, "thanks Dana - yeah, I leave on another trip on
Friday so I am trying to force myself to heal tomorrow" Michael says, "hey
greg, did you ever come to any conclusions about those engine
requirements?" saavik says, "I hope it works :-)"
dcarson says, "where are you off to?"
saavik says, "san diego"
dcarson says, "great zoo"
Greg-1 says, "I dunno, Michael. Bob has been working the problem, but it
might not be cost-effective for what he wants to do." saavik says, "So I
hear - I hope to get some time to go see it :-)" saavik says, "only there
for the weekend " saavik says, "shall we start or who else are we missing?"
Michael says, "I doubt it would be... there are easier ways to get an
effect that would wow the audience without actually building a real rocket
engine..." Greg-1 says, "Randall? Arthur? Ian?"
saavik says, "randall will be late"
Greg-1 says, "No Scotty tonight -- he's in the sky." irs arrives.
dcarson says, "here comes Ian"
saavik says, "there is ian. only arthur then" saavik says, "what about
john?"
irs says, "Ian's here. Still eating dinner with Kit, but I'm here." saavik
says, "there is john"
john-r arrives.
kokhmmm has arrived.
john-r says, "evening"
kokhmmm says, "Hi guys, sorry I'm a bit late" Greg-1 says, "Hi Ian! John!
Peter!"
john-r says, "Hi Greg abd all"
Greg-1 says, "This looks like a quorum, yup." saavik says, "shall we start
- I think john is probably on first?" dcarson says, "havn't started yet"
kokhmmm says, "You may have gotten notice that pdf for June MMM was
uploaded this afternoon" john-r says, "I am , different :)"
john-r says, "is the recorder on"
DaveW has disconnected.
saavik says, "I saw that and yes it is john" john-r says, "TY Any"
john-r says, "Amy"
saavik says, "so the first item is web site design?" saavik says, "I assume
that is john"
DaveW has connected.
john-r says, "1st is the Current pic=- its been changinging every couple of
days" john-r says, "but it really needs the automatic process- and i was
wondering if dana had any luck talking to Tim yet" irs reads the meeting
agenda
Michael reads the meeting agenda
john-r says, "The second item is The OPMS page i put in the leaders dir,
per my e-mail- who has seen it" Greg-1 says, "OPMS?"
john-r says, "Out Post Moon Society"
Greg-1 says, "Got it."
john-r says, "
http://www.moonsociety.org/private/leaders/proposed-opms-john-r.html"
john-r says, "i talked with Randall and Michael earlier today, to be sure
Randll understood my thoughts" john-r says, "please excuse my typos, i am
trying to be faster than i should :)" john-r says, "Dana- Any luck with Tim
on cronkite stuff?" dcarson says, "got all the notes he has, need to work
on it" kokhmmm says, "John, do you have in mind MOO rooms for these
inter-group interactions? Or what?" dcarson says, "will probably need to
rewrite some to make it do what we want now and to understand it" john-r
says, "TY Dana"
john-r says, "Peter - Moo Rooms is a part of the thoughts, as a way to meet
as we do in the leaders meeting" john-r says, "and to use the OPMS to put
up discussio items" john-r [to be]: clear- its not free web space for
anyone- but a meeting alrea for special invation only john-r says, "or
special requests"
john-r says, "but interconnect in Randall's mind at first - was free space-
so i look to Ian to see if the word is the correct word- i would use
interface - put its overused" john-r says, "put=but"
kokhmmm says, "You could add a lot of other groups. Some space people HATE
environmentalists, but many of us see them as potential allies if
approached correctly." Arthur arrives.
Arthur says, "hi - sorry I'm late..."
john-r says, "Hi Arthur"
john-r says, "looking at
http://www.moonsociety.org/private/leaders/proposed-opms-john-r.html"
Arthur reads the meeting agenda
irs says, "Oh, I didn't go look. Just finished dinner. Gotta load up the
browser to look at the page. Back in a couple." john-r says, "Ian- did you
save any dessert for the rest of us :)" Arthur says, "I think the Moon Camp
could be a great idea by the way - I met some of the Long Beach people at
ISDC..." Arthur says, "have to go out of the room - back in a minute..."
john-r says, "Its later in the meeting, when Randall is here, but this web
page is just an idea dealling with space camp" saavik says, "LOL, ada is
watching tv because there is a dog on" john-r says, "LOL"
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saavik says, "indeed :-)"
john-r says, "whish this had sound"
saavik says, "so - what else is on for outpost stuff? I think it is great"
saavik says, "what all does the board/officers need to decide?" dcarson
says, "a moon theem space camp and Artemis/LETO/etc does seem like a good
fit" irs says, "No dessert. Chicken, potato, and broccoli." saavik says, "I
think moon camp should hold off for randall :-)" Greg-1 says, "Yup, Moon
Camp sounds like a great idea! Does anyone have the resources to actually
do it, or are we still in the conceptual stage?" john-r says, "Getting
approval, trying a few groups then see if opms sprouts rocket engins :)"
dcarson says, "Greg this is a relaunch of the old CA Space Camp under new
managment" irs says, "Yeah, John. Interconnect isn't such a good word
there." john-r says, "Approval with board to put a page, not linked to home
page, till after i can do some more work" john-r says, "Ian - any other
ideas?"
irs says, "How about "The Meeting Place for Moon Folk"? or something like
that. Simple words are usually the best words." irs says, "A Place to Meet
on the Web." john-r says, "ahhh, does not strike a bell, i am looking for
something on a more hi tech ring" irs says, "Our Meeting Hall in the World
Wide Web." john-r says, "Meeting hall is getting closer" irs says,
"High-tech is nice. But nobody is going to know what "interconnect" means
in this case." john-r says, "but in any case, its not public- but i need it
in the public space for templates" kokhmmm says, "Interlink""
john-r says, "i understand on interconnect" john-r says, "Tonights is the
first discussion, so the final name can simmer a week or 2" john-r says,
"Couild be outpost meeting hall" john-r says, "meeting dome as in lunar
dome structures" john-r says, "so for tonight, is there anyone NOT whanting
me to move forward???" saavik says, "so - do we all agree (amy is trying to
be like randall and keep meeting moving)" john-r says, "Amy is Good :) at
moving us" Michael says, "so far sounds good to me.... (I personally think
simple terms are best but its not my place to impose my terminology)"
john-r says, "I ammm loking for any comments Michael :)" Greg-1 says, "Do
it, John! :)"
john-r says, "ok last thing dealing with web" john-r says, "TY Greg"
john-r says, "If the lunar directory grows we need a database" john-r says,
"some people- to me will want to sort out specific types, and a database
with php seems the best fit" dcarson says, "not a problem, Randall can add
a table to the mysql server and I can write the php" john-r says, "This
item is to bring the concept for discussion, but so far Dana and I are the
2 most woking on automatic stuff" john-r says, "Dana is that about 2 weeks,
or 4 weeks" john-r says, "and Michael on the asi-list archives" john-r
says, "that i am aware of"
dcarson says, "probably just 2, unless you have fancier requirement then it
sounds" john-r says, "i want super fast and 3000 options :)" john-r says,
"OR"
john-r says, "what ever i get in 2 weeks :)" dcarson says, "email me your
wish list" john-r says, "I bring up here, as if anyone has any special
requests for the lunar dir, before Dana and i get it all done, and some one
asks for 1 m o r e option " john-r says, "OK Dana"
john-r says, "Any one have any comments at this time ?" Michael says,
"nope.... my I voiced my concerns this after noon..." dcarson says, "name,
url, description, catagory(ies), what else?" kokhmmm says, "It would be
nice if each lunar outfit list included list of their active projects and
links to them" Michael says, "image"
john-r says, "Dana i will e-mail"
john-r says, "good one Peter"
dcarson says, "image, contact address, contact eddress" john-r says,
"project url"
Greg-1 says, "Is there any chance the email address could be a web form, to
stop spam and viruses?" dcarson says, "yes we need to start doing that"
john-r says, "moonsocity members in the other groups" Greg-1 says, "We sure
do. I'm getting buried in that junk, to the point that email is essentially
worthless." john-r says, "how does a form stop spammers, randall thinks
they aid spammers" saavik says, "if you remove the email address from the
web page, it does help" dcarson says, "spamnix for eudora is stopping about
60-70 a day for me" saavik says, "(or encrypt it somehow)"
Michael says, "a form is much more easily spammed that simply encoding the
email address in some non screen-scrapable manner...." dcarson says, "saw a
study that if you html encode all the characters it cuts spam by a lot"
Michael says, "i.e. greg at -remove-this- bigelow -remove-this com" john-r
says, "what about the image popping up that you have to type a word- what
is that called?" dcarson says, "annoying"
saavik says, "yeah, i agree with dana there" john-r says, "But Dana will
not the spammers find a way around encoding" dcarson says, "and non ADA
compliant"
dcarson says, "sure, but it slows them down" Michael says, "they'll only
work so hard..... that 'word as image' thing is for things of high value
like tickets 'n stuff..." john-r says, "Greg - in your estimation, how does
a form stop/slow spammers?" irs says, "I still have to try that encoding
thing I emailed Randall about (no time!)." saavik wonders if she should
move the meeting onward? john-r says, "How so Michael - you mean to program
it takes lots of time - or the adverage user will not finish a form?"
dcarson says, "we know we need to make it harder, lets take the how to
email where we can do some research?" john-r says, "i agree with Dana- Amy
i am done :)" john-r says, "42 min or less :)"
john-r says, "but i am every other week tooo" john-r says, "ahhhh wait"
john-r says, "Now that i have publish permissions" saavik says, "ok :-)"
john-r says, "how many wnat taken off the web team- you are most welcome to
stay" saavik says, "10K is me but I'm going to pass unless someone has an
update? we haven't discussed it in awhile but nothing has changed" Michael
says, "it takes time to program....." saavik says, "so I'll pass to the
next one unless there are objections?" john-r says, "i have one on 10k"
john-r says, "what kind of thinking has been discussed to rais the 10K?"
john-r says, "raise"
saavik says, "well, we had planned to use some of our current capital and
to fundraise once we had a good list of ideas" john-r says, "were any fund
rasiers discussed?" saavik says, "we had a fundraising person but that fell
through so we need to add that to the volunteer list, I guess" saavik says,
"mostly soliciting donations based on convincing people we were doing good
stuff" john-r says, "who , may i ask was the fundraiser?" john-r says,
"curious"
saavik says, "the new activities should help with that a lot so maybe this
idea will work out :-)" saavik says, "Um, someone named Rod, as I recall"
john-r says, "ahh"
john-r says, "i wonder if the same Rod that was going to help on the
asi-gen list whith last springs donation thing, that Greg laid the ground
work for" saavik says, "possibly"
saavik says, "he sort of disappeared"
john-r says, "anyway i was curiou, i am though on that item" saavik says,
"ok, so who is the grant opportunities?" john-r pokes at Michael.
dcarson says, "speaking of which, cafepress has lots of stuff besides
tshirts now, given Lunar Traders current state do we want to think about a
design or 2 through them?" john-r says, "what is Lunar Traders Current
State?" kokhmmm says, "I'd worry about putting fundraiser on the volunteer
list. We might attract take-the-money-and-run types. We have to be careful
on this" john-r says, "i agree"
dcarson says, "fairly idle, Tim just doen't have time or capital to do uch"
MikeD follows john-r into the room
john-r says, "Hi MikeD"
MikeD says, "Hi guys! Did I miss much?" Michael says, "I'm the grant
stuff...." saavik says, "Michael? are you doing the transorbital?" saavik
says, "ok, go for it"
saavik says, "and hi Mike D - read the recorder or I'll send out notes
soon" saavik says, "mostly web stuff and outpost discussion so far" john-r
says, "MikeD i just got approved 1000 hrs of your time :)" Michael says,
"not much to report.... TO is busy with other stuff and none of the people
I contacted ever got back in touch with me...." Michael says, "I hope to
retry soon but only if TO is really up to it...." john-r says, "Anyone know
if Scotty is coming?" dcarson says, "Scotty is flying"
saavik wonders where scotty is flying to? john-r says, "Michael - any idea
where TO is on their funraising efforts, and is a flight still set?"
Michael says, "dunno.... most of that is very proprietary...." Michael
reads the meeting agenda
john-r says, "Has anyone ever thought that our group buy a name place on
TO" Michael bought a ride for his business card.... john-r says, "what was
that 2500 dollars?" Michael says, "$2000 for ASI members...." john-r says,
"ahhh"
MikeD says, "$2000 is just a bit more than we could afford out of the
current budget" saavik says, "anyone know what the help desk and stuff is
or is that randall? " Arthur bought a "deluxe" package...
saavik says, "deluxe = ?"
Arthur says, "$65"
john-r says, "I maean the 16 dollor and no more than 65 dollar - not the
2000 card :)" Michael says, "if we want to wait on randall for the rest I
can insert a new and interesting item of discussion.... its artemis related
instead of moon society though...." Arthur says, "I think the help desk is
just a periodic reminder for us to look at the help desk; I think it's been
3 weeks since I looked at membership, so time to look again :-)" kokhmmm
says, "I am considering putting MMM #1 in TO's archive" MikeD says, "That
might be seen as cheap John" john-r says, "On the first mission Peter?"
kokhmmm says, "Yup"
john-r says, "what does that cost?"
john-r says, "if i can ask"
saavik says, "I have one also important" saavik says, "the elections one"
kokhmmm says, "Less than $50 - don't remember" Michael says, "that probably
should wait on randall, shouldn't it?" kokhmmm says, "One page with an
image (or 2)" saavik says, "phone..."
john-r says, "Amy do you want to add an agenda Item? for elections?" saavik
says, "it is on the agenda"
saavik says, "after team and mailing list" saavik says, "bylaws say
elections ballot needs to go out in may" Michael wants to add an agenda
item for an Artemis update (being its chairman and all) MikeD says, "Um,
then the ballotts are late" saavik says, "yeah"
MikeD says, "Oops!"
Arthur says, "I'm sure that didn't happen last year or the year before..."
dcarson says, "but less late then normal :-)" john-r says, "ahh it was not
on the agenda this morning, i see it now-on the web page that is" Arthur
says, "I'd like to hear on Artemis - Amy, I'll second adding Michael's
topic to the agenda" saavik just got a phone call IRL, but she will be
right back. saavik says, "I'll run elections in a minute" john-r says, "ok"
Arthur says, "Michael, why don't you get started" Michael says, "(just tell
me when to go)" Michael says, "ok...."
Michael says, "these are two things that came out of the ISDC meeting and
some subsequent discussions with some Space Frontier Foundation folks...."
MikeD reads the meeting agenda
Arthur says, "yes?"
MikeD says, "Ok, if you guys aren't going to talk, I'm going to go have a
beer" Michael says, "Two of the companies at ISDC (liftport.com and the
colony fund) are attempting to build the capital market needed by space
enterprises. liftport wants to build a VC environment that's friendly to
projects like their space elevator. The Colony Fund wants to build an
investment fund that has a strong VC component (i.e. very similar to what
CMGI was). I talked with both about how ASI worked on its own investment
attempt but how it died when our only investment guru got told that it was
a conflict of interest." Michael says, "I can only type so fast! ;-)" MikeD
says, "Sorry"
john-r says, "faster faster"
john-r says, ":)"
Arthur says, "sentences, not paragraphs, might help?" Michael says, "so
they're interested in working with us on rebuilding/reinvigorating our
investment team, either as a partner or as a vendor. Specifically Mike
Laine from liftport wants to setup an investment club with us." MikeD hmms.
john-r says, "who was our investment guru?" Michael says, "and the colony
fund guys want to use us as a 'focus group' for documented market studies
for how much we would invest, how often, etc..." dcarson says, "James Jones"
john-r says, "was he a member?"
Michael says, "so I'm taking an action item to rebuild the investment
team...." MikeD says, "This will be a long debate I'm sure" Michael says,
"yep....."
irs says, "More power to them. I don't think their ventures would be a
productive use of our time right now, because the investment environment,
as far as I can tell, isn't the least bit interested in these type of
projects." Greg-1 says, "Yes, James Jones was a member of Artemis Society
International." Greg-1 says, "He's active in artemis-list; or was." john-r
says, "TY Greg"
Michael says, "ian, that's their point: they're trying to build a vehicle
where *we* as individuals can pool our money so it can act as a VC for us."
MikeD says, "We'll have to make them interested Ian, or we'll never get
anything done at all" irs says, "I'd be happy to discuss my thoughts on the
matter with them, but working days as a stock trader is giving me more
insight into where the money is and where it's going. We ain't it. That's
why I still favor our plan of selling stuff right now and banking the
profits into developing our program." john-r says, "I do not rem his name
in the past 18 mths on the asi gen list" Michael says, "ian, they're not
after that kind of money....." Greg-1 says, "Yeah, it sounds like a good
idea to me, but I don't know how to make it work." Michael says, "greg,
they apparently do....." Greg-1 says, "There's a credibility gap." irs
says, "From what I've seen, if we can put together, say, 5 or 10% of the
money we need and a big enough customer base, then we'll be able to attract
a few big-time investors to get us there." MikeD says, "So we just need 100
million or so" Michael says, "again, the money they're going to be raising
is going to come from *us* as individual space nuts....*NOT* the typical
investor that buys a mutal fund and sits on it...." irs says, "I'm not
saying don't do it; I'm simply thinking there are better ways to spend our
time and efforts. But sure, let's encourage them; and if that's where your
talents lie, I certainly won't stand in your way." Michael says, "ian,
these guys want to invest in *our* Artemis companies......" irs says, "In
that case, I misread. That's great! Let's get them on board." MikeD
chuckles.
MikeD says, "I misread that too Michael" Michael says, "i.e. if they raise
their $100 million then they'll take 60% of that and invest in things like
TO, Cyberteams, and ExoAerospace...." john-r says, "my 2 censt is ok With
VC, but not go with a specific produst - outside of what we can do" Severy
has arrived.
Michael says, "(and XCOR and Armadillo, etc)....i.e. not just us but space
related companies that do the work it takes to build a company." Arthur
says, "Michael, do you know what other sorts of companies they're looking
at? They were talking about the suborbitals a bit too." Severy says,
"Evening, folks!"
Severy says, "Sorry I'm late, and all that..." Arthur says, "Hi Randall!"
john-r says, "Hi Randall"
Michael says, "yep.... they'll focus on space companies that have dual use
products...." Arthur says, "Amy's off on the phone, bu ttill that happened
we were following the original agenda. Now Michael's talking about the
investment stuff" Michael says, "or space companies that have earlier ROI
than most...." Michael says, "for example, liftport will get early revenue
from its carbon fiber patents." Severy says, "Sounds good, give me a few
minutes to catch up on the recorded log..." MikeD says, "That may be a
direction I would like to move in, but perhaps not with ASI itself" john-r
says, "what doe it take on our part - in terms of time and money for a
focus group?" irs says, "Never heard of Liftport. Anyone gonna be sending
me information for the magazine?" Michael says, "ian, I can talk Mike into
sending you a press kit...." Michael says, "john, for the focus group
nothing more than coming up with a survey and getting our members to fill
it out...." Michael says, "Mike, if not with ASI, then how?" john-r says,
"Like an online form or snail mail?" Michael says, "john, online form
definitely.... never mail... no one would ever return it." john-r says,
"just cking :)"
irs will be right back.
MikeD says, "Would there be any benefit in setting up a separate body to do
this rather than just using ASI or is this completely within the ASI
mandate?" Michael says, "good question... TLRC could do it...." MikeD says,
"That would be another option" Michael says, "ok, that's the skinny on the
investment thing... one more update and I'll give the floor back to
Randall...." Michael says, "one of the other directions I'd like to take
ASI is to take a more active roll in identifying gaps in the market that
need to be filled in order to at least get the reference mission off the
ground and either invite those companies to become participants or else
come up with a skeleton business plan for the companies we do need....."
irs says, "I'm back. 'nother thought, though. If they're planning to act as
our agent (going out to find VC money, take 60%, and give us the rest), I
don't think we really want that right now." Michael says, "ian, we need to
talk seperately... I think you're mixing a lot of htings together and
missing some of hte more important pieces...." john-r says, "you lost me
Ian- who gets the 60%" irs says, "OK, never mind. Let me know privately
what's up, and I'll see what I can add." Michael says, "the 60% is just the
portion of their portfolio that's VC oriented. 25% is invested in typical
balanced fund type securities and 5% is called the Adventure Fund and is
where they invest in very long term projects." Michael says, "doh... that
doesn't add up to 100!.... its something close to that..." Michael says,
"shares are $100 a piece with a minimum of 10 shares...." john-r says, ":)
the foxes need their 10 percent" MikeD says, "Either way, it sounds like
something I would be interested in pursuing" Michael says, "anyway, back to
building out the market place...." john-r says, "Michael on the gap..."
john-r says, "you mean a more detailed plan" john-r says, "with blanks for
the contractors" MikeD says, "Nah, fill in the blanks. Finally" Severy
says, "Ok, I'm caught up on the discussion" Michael says, "I mentioned the
idea to one of the SFF board members and it jived very well with their
Enterprise program. They suggested that we come up with a proposal for a
joint project with SFF as a way of bringing in some of their members
business experience (i.e. the walt andersons and buzz aldrins, etc)" Severy
says, "Not much to comment on what went before, except to ask John to slow
down a bit on the OPMS stuff, I think he misunderstood some of my comments
earlier today" MikeD says, "Michael, I'd be interested in chatting about
this some more, it sounds a lot like something Arthur, James, Dana and
myself have discussed." john-r says, "Understood Randall"
saavik says, "amy back"
Michael says, "sure.... grab me during the week and we can talk it all
out...." saavik says, "randall, I had intended to talk about elections next
but my parents called" MikeD says, "Sure"
Severy says, "Sounds like elections are next up" MikeD says, "So we skipped
over Amy"
Michael reads the meeting agenda
Severy says, "Since there isn't much to discuss in Help Desk or Team stuff"
saavik says, "The secretary needs to head to bed soon as she is sick "
Severy says, "FYI, I include Help Desk as a review of stuff waiting in the
Help Desk system, we have some items collecting dust in there" Severy says,
"And on the Team and Mailing List item, I had in mind an update on the web
e-mail archive effort that Michael has been working on" Michael says,
"yep...."
Severy says, "Ok, what do we need to do about elections, who needs to do
it, and when does it need to be done by?" john-r says, "I ahve seen the
archive, its woking good except--- i think as you go into the detal pages,
you need a link to the main folder" saavik says, "I'll email the notes I
have - I have to get to sleep or else I will get sicker" MikeD says, "Which
has one huge problem..." MikeD says, "It's huge"
Severy says, "FYI, Scotty will be logging in here as soon as he gets home
from the airport, but it probably won't be for another 30 minutes or so"
saavik says, "elections: was supposed to be out in ballots by may and due
in Aug (8/1 I think) according to bylaws" Michael says, "john, I think
there's an option for that...." saavik says, "so I guess we need to start
the nominating process. feels like we *just* did it" dcarson says, "so we
need to do nominations ASAP" MikeD says, "We did"
Michael says, "http://www.asi.org/private/artemis-list-archive/" saavik
says, "when was the last round?" Michael says, "any idea what positions are
up for electin?" Severy says, "Whichever board members were *not* elected
last year" Severy says, "Don't remember about officers, are they re-elected
each year?" saavik says, "I am up"
MikeD says, "I think there are only 2 positions" saavik says, "no, officers
are 2 years" saavik says, "and one board position is up again as one was
short term" saavik says, "I forget who (that was part of the expanded board
size)" Severy says, "I thought two board members are up" MikeD says, "I
think 2 plus 1"
saavik says, "no, remember, we expanded the board. it is now 3 one year and
4 the other" Arthur says, "http://www.moonsociety.org/about/officers.php3"
saavik says, "and I think it is dave and i for officers" saavik says,
"(this year)"
Arthur says, "Dana and Ian on the board, and David and Amy as officers"
Arthur says, "Hey, we don't have vacancies this time around!" saavik says,
"one of you and michael and randall and ??? is also up" Arthur says,
"Peter?"
Severy says, "I forgot about that officers.php3 page, that does clear it
up" MikeD says, "Yup. It's clear as mud now" saavik says, "yeah, the php is
wrong because at least one board is up this year that isn't listed" saavik
says, "we didn't want 5/2 (supposed to be 4/3)" saavik says, "anyone have
to email to artemis? I'll look" Arthur says, "Hmmm... "
MikeD says, "So who was the additional person" saavik says, "amy comments
that she can find the ballot but not the results mail" saavik says, "still
digging - let me look through my notes" saavik says, "ok, looks like
elections *did* just happen. " saavik says, "nominations due last july 1,
elections in november" saavik says, "randall is the one year term" irs
says, "Hmm, looking at that officers.php3 page, I note that my name is
misspelled." saavik says, "Amy rolled the dice and Randall gets the one
year term." Severy says, "Elections were on October 1st" saavik says,
"(that is what my notes say)" Severy says, "Ok"
irs says, "HE'S Randall with two "l"s, I'm Ian Randal with one "l"." Arthur
says, "We'll just call you both Randy, ok?" Arthur says, ":-)"
Severy thwaps Arthur with a rolled-up newspaper. "Bad! Bad! Bad!!!" Severy
grins.
irs says, "Kit's in the other room. I'll discuss randy with her <wink>."
MikeD says, "children will play"
Severy says, "Better you than I, Ian :-)" saavik says, "ok, so - the
secretary really needs sleep - what more notes do you need from her?"
john-r says, "i can fixx that Ian - in 60 days or now :) i will be right
back" Severy says, "What do we need to do first, announce the opening of
nominations or something?" saavik says, "yes"
Severy says, "And is that the job of the secretary? <grin>" saavik says, "I
have forms from last year" saavik says, "I can't do it until I return from
my trip" saavik says, "we did do all electronic last time except a notice
in MMM" saavik says, "I think we got *one* paper ballot last time" Severy
says, "Sounds fine to me, it will still be far more on time than last year
:-)" kokhmmm says, "You just missed the June issue. Can get notice in the
July Review." saavik hmms.
saavik says, "dates for nominations?"
Severy says, "Amy, can you coordinate this process to make we don't get too
far off schedule?" saavik says, "Sure. I can work on it off-line then"
saavik says, "ok, then I am done for the night. night all!" MikeD says, "We
need to actually be on time next year" kokhmmm says, "Night, Amy"
Severy says, "Ok, good night, Amy, and thanks!" saavik smiles.
saavik has disconnected.
Severy says, "Ok, moving on to Membership Services" Severy says, "Scotty is
working on getting stuff to James to get things moving in the processing
area" Severy says, "There still needs to be some work in setting up the
e-mail templates for e-mail renewal reminders" Severy says, "Who is working
on that effort?" dcarson says, "should I send a bunch of posters to
strangelv?" john-r says, "Ian aee
http://www.moonsociety.org/about/officers.php3" Severy says, "And I also
wanted to re-start a discussion about new member incentives" irs says,
"Thanks, John."
Severy says, "We've talked about that off and on in the past, but never
quite finalized anything, if I remember right" john-r sends bill to who? :)
ok no goofing around Severy says, "And that topic was discussed at some
length during the NSS town meeting at the end of ISDC, which reminded me
that we needed to do something like that for the Moon Society" irs says,
"Did NSS come up with an answer?" MikeD just got a phone call IRL, but he
will be right back. Severy says, "For those who were not part of past
discussions, the idea is some kind of incentive benefit for referrals of
new members" MikeD says, "Sorry folks, I have to run" Arthur says, "By the
way, James is in the Commons - he was wondering when he was going to get
his contract" MikeD has disconnected.
Severy says, "Yes, Ian, they had to work out the exact numbers, but the
general consensus was that if an existing member referred X new members
within a specified time period (probably their membership year), they would
receive a complimentary membership renewal for the next year" Michael says,
"a pyramid scheme!"
Severy says, "Scotty didn't have a chance to send out the contract before
he left on his trip, but said he would as soon as he got back" Severy says,
"Pretty much, Michael!"
dcarson says, "a month per referrel is about right IMHO" The housekeeper
arrives to cart saavik off to bed. Severy says, "If we decide to do a
referral incentive of some kind, and I think we should, we would need to
set up a mechanism for tracking such referrals, entries on the various new
member forms, for example, and in the database" irs says, "Refer ten new
members, get a free year's membership. Sounds like a deal to me." Severy
says, "Arthur, can I toss that idea on you and the rest of the Membership
Services team to work out a plan and run it by the council?" kokhmmm says,
"Don't like the referal idea. Could be dead people or fictitious people. Do
you mean referrals who do join, or just referrals?" Severy says, "I can see
that incentive working effectively for folks who are having trouble paying
for their membership renewals" Severy says, "Referrals who do join, Peter"
kokhmmm says, "Okay"
Severy says, "i.e. each new member form would have a referral field, the
member listed there would get credit for the new member" Severy says, "Only
new members count as referrals" The housekeeper arrives to cart MikeD off
to bed. Arthur says, "Ok, I'll look at it with Scotty and James. I think
just an entry on the form for "member number" of referring member might do
the trick." Severy says, "Yup, although you'll need to allow for member
name, not everyone will know the member number of the referring member"
Severy says, "We'll need to convert it into a member number when it gets
into the database" Severy says, "Heck, most members don't even remember
their *own* member number :-(" Arthur says, "I guess so - well, see what
Scotty thinks of linking that up. Or James of manually adding a month to
people's expiries..." Severy says, "Yeah, we have to balance the incentive
benefit with the workload it adds to the processing area" john-r says, "are
you saying in a years time 1 referal will get a reduced membership fee?"
dcarson says, "team director does name to member lookup already doesn't
it?" Severy says, "Those are the details that we'll need to figure out,
John" Arthur says, "for NSS, I believe they define "new" as not having been
a member for the past year" Severy says, "Team Director does e-mail to
member lookup" dcarson says, "ah"
dcarson says, "email is unique so easier" Severy says, "Yeah, we'll have to
determine a criteria for "new" as well" Severy says, "Ok, let's move on to
Lunar Directory" Arthur says, "by the way, membership helpdir is caught up"
Severy says, "I guess most of you have seen John's e-mails go by about
updates to the Lunar Directory, thanks, John!" john-r says, "welcome"
Severy says, "I had hoped to have something by tonight's meeting, but ran
out of time, but I'm working on a generic e-mail invitation that can be
sent out to new prospects for listing in the directory" Severy says, "I'll
try to get a draft of that out to the team in the next few days for review
and editing, and then we can send it out to projects and organizations that
we find that we want to invite to be listed" Michael says, "yea, good job
on the directory...." Severy says, "We've already got a good sized list
started already" john-r says, "Any chance of makeing it a team, so we have
a mail list to archive?" Severy says, "Anything else on the Lunar
Directory?" Michael loves reading the Al Qaeda cell meeting minutes on
happyfunpundit.com Severy says, "Making which a team, John?" john-r says,
"Lunar directoy"
john-r says, "right now the only way to tack the mail is in my and yours
mail box" Severy says, "Moon Society membership isn't a requirement for
listing in the directory, so they couldn't be a team" Severy says, "But the
moon-news list is archived" john-r says, "no i mean a team for you and me,
with a proper e-mail archival- or at least an archival" Severy says, "Oh,
the contact address"
Severy says, "Sure, I don't see why not, I'll talk to Mike about it" john-r
says, "that too"
john-r says, "it may be in the form of the opms- but i would prefer a tema
type list" john-r says, "team"
john-r says, "more to do stuff :)"
Severy says, "Ok, moving on to Moon Camp" john-r says, "yes"
john-r listening
Severy says, "Hopefully everyone has read my update on the discussions that
went on at ISDC" kokhmmm says, "Yes"
Severy says, "It sounds like there was some discussion about this earlier
here" irs says, "Was it in today's e-mail, which I haven't read yet?"
Severy says, "If we can find someone to lead such an effort, it may be
something we should definitely get involved with, but do we have such a
someone?" Severy says, "It was an e-mail late last night, Ian" irs says,
"Haven't seen it yet, then."
Severy says, "First, is there general agreement that this is something we
should pursue?" john-r says, "my straw vote is yes"
dcarson says, "sounds it to me"
kokhmmm says, "Yes"
Arthur says, "Who do we have in the LA area?" Severy says, "And if so, is
there anyone here who would like to run with it? Or should I add it to the
volunteers list?" Arthur says, "Yes, by the way"
Severy says, "Only Tim, Arthur, and he's already swamped" kokhmmm says,
"Chip Proser"
Greg-1 says, "Yup, Moon Camp sounds like a Really Neat Idea." Arthur says,
"Tim's in Oakland, not that close" Arthur says, "Oh yeah, Chip"
Severy says, "Although we might get some new members out of ISDC in that
area" Arthur says, "Hmmm"
Severy says, "Oops, yeah, I was thinking SF, not LA" Severy says, "I don't
know who else we have in the LA area, I'd have to run a TeamDir report on
that area" kokhmmm says, "Chi is the LA Contact person. If he's up to it,
the effort might be enough to crystalize a chapter." kokhmmm says, "Chip"
Greg-1 has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to remove Greg-1. Severy says, "Ok, since I started
the ball rolling, I'll talk to Chip and see who else is in that area"
Severy says, "And re-establish contact with Sema and Larry and find out
more details about what they have in mind" dcarson says, "wonder if we can
use the ASI/CyberTeams/TLRC online community experience to help with it"
Severy says, "That's always a possibility with everything we do, Dana :-)"
john-r says, "what is That Dana?"
Severy says, "But good point"
Severy says, "Ok, anything else on Moon Camp for tonight?" kokhmmm says,
"Robert Kleinberger is in LA - is he a member?" john-r says, "just my plan
in the isdc flyer of last year" dcarson says, "keep people who have
attended together online, let people who can't come participate somehow so
they'll stay interested etc." Severy says, "John, is it ok if I forwarded
that flyer to the Space Camp Long Beach folks as a sample of some of the
things we've been thinking about?" Severy says, "Don't know, Peter, I'll
check the database tomorrow" john-r says, "and for Ian -
http://www.aerospacelegacyfoundation.org/page2.html Gene Meyers of space
island group is a director" kokhmmm says, "We have good people in San Diego
- not that far away. Schrunk, Harris, etc." john-r says, "Yes Randall,
thats of to send flyer" Severy says, "Ok, thanks, John"
john-r says, "can i tell the leto team whats going on?" Severy says, "Good
point, Peter, they are working to get active again" john-r says, "of=ok"
Severy says, "Sure, John"
irs has disconnected.
Severy says, "Uh oh, I need Ian for the next agenda item" Severy says, "Ok,
moving on to Moon Society Flyer and Brochure" Michael says, "hehe.....
silence...."
kokhmmm says, "The flyer you used at ISDC is nice, but we need a brochure
with more meat." john-r says, "bacaon or hambuger?"
john-r says, "i could not resist - sorry" kokhmmm says, "I took some notes
on what I'd like to see in that flyer. I'll look them up and mail them to
everyone." Severy says, "The flyer I used at ISDC was just a relabeling of
the old ASI flyer, we need a true Moon Society flyer" john-r says, "any one
on the outreach team here- that has seen chips graphics" Severy says, "And
for that, we need some time from Ian and Greg to rework it" The housekeeper
arrives to cart irs off to bed. john-r says, "and greg left also- bummer"
Severy says, "And I was hoping to do some arm-twisting tonight, but Ian
skipped out before I could do it" kokhmmm says, "He haed a premonition."
john-r says, "LOL"
Severy says, "Ack, I forgot that Greg disappeared too :-(" dcarson says,
"te universe is out to get you Randall" Severy says, "Always!"
Severy says, "Ok, I'll have to do my arm-twisting at another time" Severy
says, "Any ideas you can send on the flyer would be very helpful, Peter,
thanks!" Severy says, "Ok, moving on to Outreach efforts" Severy says,
"Does anyone have anything to report in this area?" Michael reads the
meeting agenda
Michael wonders if he's needed for any other agenda items. He needs to head
to bed... john-r says, "I would like to try to explain Boy Scouts" Severy
says, "I suspect we're about done for the night" Arthur says, "well, we
tried some outreach at ISDC (I've been a bit worn out since then...)"
Severy says, "Go ahead, John"
Arthur says, "Yes, let's hear that"
john-r says, "that its not just boys, its their leaders also" Arthur says,
"By the way, one of the NSS chapters honored at ISDC was involved in
re-writing the Boy Scout manual space merit badge section" john-r says,
"its their leaders who give of our time, and we are always looking to
increas leaders as much as the boys, AND.." john-r says, "in Venture
scouting Girls are allowed" Arthur says, "Oooh yuck :-)"
john-r says, "and a lot of the leaders these days are women" kokhmmm says,
"John, there's someone in NSS (class of '87 along with Randall and I) who
got very involved with the Scouts and created lots of space programs for
them - Don Doughty" john-r says, "is he still a member"
Arthur says, "I think it was a Texas chapter - somewhere down south.
Anybody remember?" kokhmmm says, "No, not of Moon Society. He's from New
Hampshire, and in and out of Boston NSS" john-r says, "Peter how were you
involved- as a boy or leader or both- and was it a good experience" kokhmmm
says, "I can get in touch with him or put him in touch with you." john-r
says, "Please do"
kokhmmm says, "I was only a cub scout " Michael says, "guys, I'm calling it
an evening... " john-r says, "i was cub - webelos- and thru star rank"
kokhmmm says, "John, I'll put that on my action item list. Don worked the
Jamborees and all." john-r says, "Nite Michael"
Arthur says, "good night michael"
Severy says, "I'll repeat what I mentioned this afternoon, I think the Boy
Scouts would be a great Outreach opportunity, and we should encourage as
many of them as possible, especially their leaders, to join the Moon
Society, but we have to be careful about losing our focus, which is the
Moon Society" kokhmmm says, "Goodnight Michael."
Arthur says, "yup!"
john-r says, "And Michael pointed out earlier today that all the moon
walkers were scouts" john-r says, "I agree Randall"
Scottyg has arrived.
dcarson says, "helo"
john-r says, "Hi Scotty"
Arthur says, "hi scotty!"
Scottyg says, "Hi all!"
kokhmmm says, "Hi Scotty."
john-r says, "Thats all i had for now"
Arthur says, "Scotty, Randall's asked us to think about membership
incentives. Maybe in the MOO later this week we can discuss it?" Severy
says, "Hi, Scotty!"
dcarson says, "Scotty, should I send posters to James? or is there enouhg
already going?" Scottyg says, "It will probably be toward the weekend
before I can find time." Scottyg says, "You know how things stack up while
you're traveling." john-r says, "was it a good trip?"
Scottyg says, "Yep, had a good meeting and accomplished the goals we set."
Scottyg says, "But..."
john-r says, "thats never a fun word :)" Scottyg says, "I was up early this
morning - alos one time zone east - so I'm rather tired." john-r says,
"Randall caught a cold, did you?" kokhmmm says, "If it would have been 2
time zones east, you'd have been wet too!" Scottyg says, "LOL. Very true!"
john-r says, "Heck in Indian we have had 65 deg days and its june" john-r
says, "indiana"
Scottyg says, "Unles I was quite a bit further north." john-r says, "chilly"
Scottyg says, "It was cool in KY too."
john-r says, "oh KY, just south of me a couple hrs" Scottyg says,
"Louisville to be explicit." john-r says, "anyway, anything before o go to
sleep?" john-r says, "o=i"
Scottyg says, "Not from here. I just checked in to see if there were any
questions for me." dcarson says, "did you see mine?"
kokhmmm says, "Good night all"
john-r says, "night all"
dcarson says, "gnight"
john-r says, "Good meeting !"
kokhmmm has disconnected.
Scottyg says, "Oops, missed it Dana."
john-r has disconnected.
dcarson says, "should I send posters to James?" Scottyg says, "No, I think
we're ok for now on posters. I just have to collect them from Jennifer and
arrange to meet James." dcarson says, "ok"
Arthur says, "Goodnight!"
Scottyg says, "Any headway on the domain changes?" dcarson says, "did you
email me what address to use?" Scottyg says, "Um, no, was I supposed to?"
dcarson says, "I thought so"
Scottyg says, "I would just use the PO Box." dcarson says, "ok will do"
Scottyg says, "PO Box 940825"
The housekeeper arrives to cart kokhmmm off to bed. The housekeeper arrives
to cart john-r off to bed. Scottyg says, "Plano, TX 75094-0825"
Arthur leaves.
Severy says, "I need to sign off for a few minutes to move the laptop
downstairs and then I'll be back on" Severy has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to cart Severy off to bed. dcarson goes home.
Michael goes home.
DaveW has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to cart DaveW off to bed. Scottyg has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to cart Scottyg off to bed. MikeD has arrived.
MikeD says, "read recorder"
MikeD leaves.
saavik has arrived.

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