-- Start log: Wednesday, July 2, 2003 9:15:18 pm ASI Meeting Server time --

john-r says, "whisper shhhh the recorder is on" Greg-1 says, "It was clever
to attach a laptop with mobile Internet to your lawn mower, Mike." Greg-1
says, "Oh, right. Decorum it is." saavik says, "ok, so, elections folks"
saavik says, "(do we have quorum?)"
MikeD says, "I didn't attach it, it's built into the dash" Greg-1 says,
"Let's declare that we do. :)" saavik says, "ok, so the first item is: did
peter get himself the ballot in time for MMM?" saavik says, "the next item
is: when are you all planning to send out the nominations form?" john-r
says, "Peter are you thinking? " kokhmmm says, "I have last year's ballot
announcement. I have to update it for 2003, and I still have a day or two
before I am done with the July issue, the Review." john-r says, "read
agaenda"
john-r says, "that did not work"
john-r reads the meeting agenda
kokhmmm says, "As soon as the Review issue is done, the pdf file will be
uploaded, hopefully by this weekend." saavik says, "ok, so that means you
did get it to yourself ;-)" saavik says, "so the next question is: has the
committee made any other progress in announcing nominations? I only ask
because I haven't seen anything" kokhmmm says, "I could have had both the
newsletter and election stuff done, but I've been rebuilding my dining room
and I'm a streak person. So MMM waits. Now I am at a good stopping point
and it has all my attention. Shouldn't take long." kokhmmm says, "I have
done nothing else so far. Should there be an email announcement to all the
members, and who would do that? If me, how?" john-r says, "Peter will you
need Randall to do a mass mailing or can you do that alone?" saavik says,
"you can do it via teamdir" saavik says, "you need permissions to do it and
I assume you have them. ask randall if not" kokhmmm says, "Okay, I will try
that, and yell for help if I get stuck." saavik says, "you login as
administative on teamdir and send to current members (or all, if you are
brave)" john-r says, "I would say current members" kokhmmm says, "I assume
I have permissions." john-r says, "MikeD or Dana can you see if Peter has
Permissions?" kokhmmm says, "Could send to all members. Non-current ones
would have to renew to have their ballot count, I presume." saavik says, "I
did to all (by mistake mostly) and only heard one or two complaints of
expired members" MikeD says, "Permissions for what?"
kokhmmm says, "Amy, I will run the updated announcement by you first."
saavik says, "sounds great"
saavik says, "I'll be on email all weekend but traveling tomorrow/sunday"
john-r says, "Can Peter use admin in team dir to send e-mail to all
members?" MikeD says, "Hmm, I'm not sure how to check that" john-r says,
"or to all current members" saavik says, "(course I need to actually go
pack to make this worthwhile)" Severy-1 says, "Sorry I'm late, folks"
saavik says, "how about, when peter is ready to do it, he logs in and if he
can't do it, randall can fix it" saavik says, "that lets us move on"
Severy-1 says, "I'm at a party at my sister's house, so I was distracted
for a while :-(" kokhmmm says, "Sounds like a plan/"
john-r says, "correct me if i am wrong, the first e-mail asks for
nonanations - right?" saavik says, "nominations, yes"
saavik says, "party!"
dcarson says, "sounds like party for Randall" saavik pokes at Severy-1.
john-r says, "is it a party for Randall?" saavik reads the meeting agenda
saavik says, "are we done with electiosn then?" kokhmmm says, "yup, I
thinkk"
Greg-1 says, "No, but since he's not home, let's have a party at Randall's
place!" john-r teleports to the east coast
john-r is lost, forgot the coord for Randalls home saavik says, "hey peter,
there is an email address at moonsociety for elections" saavik says, "I
think elections@moonsociety.org" MikeD says, "John, be careful or you'll
materialize in a treetrunk or something" john-r says, "ahhh thats why its
so dark :)" saavik says, "you may want that for your email. we can figure
it out exactly later" Greg-1 says, "John, any ol' condo in Frederick,
Maryland will do, as long as you leave evidence pointing the blame at
Randall." Severy-1 laughs.
john-r starts walking back west - telport is broke saavik says, "randall, I
think the next item is randall" MikeD says, "Where does that email address
point right now?" kokhmmm says, "Made a note of that edress, Amy, thanks."
Severy-1 says, "Membership services is Scotty and Arthur" Greg-1 says,
"Does it go to a mailbox in Help Director?" saavik [to saavik]: I think
saavik says, "err it goes to me"
saavik says, "(dumb to verb)"
Greg-1 says, "((What Amy said.))"
dcarson says, "we can set it to go to Peter easily enough" Severy-1 says, "
election@moonsociety.org and elections@moonsociety.org both go to
amy@cs.umass.edu" saavik says, "confirmed"
saavik says, "darn, randall beat me to it" saavik says, "I logged in to
look ;-)"
Greg-1 says, "Now for the inverse question... why not send it to a Help
Director mailbox?" john-r says, "how hard is it to be sent to help dir,
then all of os can help as needed?" saavik says, "because heldir didn't
exist then :-)" Severy-1 says, "It wouldn't be difficult, shall I set up
such a mailbox?" saavik says, "I like the idea"
MikeD says, "I guess an Elections mailbox would be an idea" Severy-1 says,
"FYI, Peter should be able to do mass mailings in Team Director" john-r
says, "TY, we needed that confirmed" kokhmmm says, "You could just have Amy
forward everything to me. Then I'd see it pronto., If it's in help
Director, I might not get around to checking proptly." Greg-1 says,
"Obviously I think it would be a good idea! :)" Severy-1 says, "Help
Director can forward it to you automatically, Peter" saavik says, "sounds
good"
john-r says, "caPeter you can set the notifications to send you a copy"
kokhmmm says, "Okay, sounds like a plan." john-r says, "and Randall gets
another action item- sorry " Severy-1 says, "No problem, it's already done"
saavik says, "ok, randall is next on the agenda?" saavik reads the meeting
agenda
john-r says, "so are we ready for next agenda item?" Greg-1 says, "We talk
about Randall now?" Severy-1 says, "I am?"
saavik says, "membership services? or is that scotty?" saavik says, "and
james who logged out?" Greg-1 says, "Or is this the part where we quiz him
with questions like: Do we have a handy verb that will tell what clones a
player has active at the moment? :)" saavik says, "I think I need to renew
- I ought to check" Severy-1 says, "That's Scotty and Arthur" saavik says,
"uh oh, I expire in 6 days :-)" saavik says, "Better renew!"
Greg-1 says, "I'm sorry to hear that, Amy!" saavik says, "LOL :-)"
Greg-1 says, "Just go to http://www.simshost.com/ and click on the link to
"Maintain your account." Then... oops... wrong system!" Severy-1 says,
"That's why we need to work on the renewal notices :-(" saavik says,
"peter, should I renew hardcopy or electronic? I know you want your numbers
up" saavik says, "ok, so I am done with the agenda anyway? who is up next?"
john-r says, "Lunar Dir?"
Greg-1 says, "No, Who's on first. (I just HAD to say it!)" john-r says,
"EARTH TO Greg- we point your s-band ant to here :)" john-r says, "skip the
we"
Greg-1 says, "LOL"
saavik says, "sigh, $700 is a lot. GUess I have to skip lifetime renewal
for now :-)" MikeD says, "But you would save all that tax" Greg-1 says,
"The trick is to build it up in installments, like $35 every month or two."
Severy-1 says, "I haven't finished the Lunar Directory invitation sample
yet, all I can use as an excuse is being out of town most of the past week"
Severy-1 says, "I'll get it done by the next meeting, I promise" MikeD
says, "Is there an installment plan?" saavik says, "membership renewal is
tax deductible?" saavik says, "because if it is, then maybe $700 is not so
bad..." Greg-1 says, "Yes. Just keep extending your membership until it
expires 20 years from your last payment." MikeD says, "I'm not sure, but I
think renewal is deductible" Greg-1 says, "If the Moon Society works as a
professional organization for you, then yes, your membership dues would be
tax-deductible." saavik says, "so = the renewal is deductible or no?"
kokhmmm says, "Amy, it's up to you, no hardcopy helps the treasurer,
hardcopy helps MMM survive." saavik says, "oh, ok"
dcarson says, "now that we're a 401c3 it is I think" saavik says, "so only
donations are deductible>" saavik says, "not renewals?"
MikeD says, "that's 501c3"
Greg-1 says, "So... if you were earning money from LunaBots, you might
argue that it is a professional organization." john-r says, "i like the
hard copy, i can carry it with me" Greg-1 says, "Yes. Only donations are
dedutible, in general." saavik says, "ok, then I'll go back to renewing
:-)" Greg-1 says, "Unless... the board could define some portion of the
dues to be paying for services and the rest as a donation." Severy-1 says,
"What is the purpose of the elections@ address? Is it for nominations,
ballots, what?" MikeD says, "I used to like the hadcopy, but now I'm stuck
with trying to remember to download the pdfs" Severy-1 says, "You should
get the e-mail notifications, Mike, to remind you to download the PDFs"
MikeD says, "Yes, but they get lost in al the rest of the email traffic"
saavik says, "hey greg, do you become lifetime after 20 years of
membership? and if so, does past membership count into it?" john-r says,
"The elections is for the time period we are runing elections, then close
it?" MikeD says, "ANd I hate reading from a computer and we have no printer
here for some unknown reason" saavik says, "and yes, it was for both
nominations *and* ballots" dcarson says, "you need to be paid up 20 years
ahead" saavik says, "ahhh"
kokhmmm says, "Usually, that portion of the dues used for newsletter etc.
is not deductable, the rest is deductable. That's how NSS does it. They
have a statement giving the exact amount that is NOT deductible, rest is."
saavik notes that she can continue to be secretary as she is now renewed
for 2 years Greg-1 says, "Hooray!"
saavik says, "ok, so, I desperately need to go pack. is there another item
that I need to be working on or can I go pack and come back and forth to
here?" Greg-1 says, "Yeah, what Peter said. We oughtta do that." dcarson
says, "so since we pay $1 a month (about) for MMM that means $23 is
deductable?" john-r says, "Can we add the deduction to agenda for say after
the elections?" john-r says, "as a reminder"
kokhmmm says, "Sounds right to me, unless there are other tangible
membership benefits that should be included in the non-deductible column."
john-r says, "and that will mostlikey take discussion and Scottys time"
Severy-1 says, "Ok, the Elections mailbox is now fully configured. Someone
want to test it?" john-r says, "i can"
john-r says, "elections or election?"
Severy-1 says, "Either one"
Greg-1 says, "yes"
john-r will be right back.
saavik wanders around packing
john-r says, "the test e-mail is sent"
saavik says, "yeah and it went to me!"
kokhmmm says, "John, got your test."
saavik says, "I don't want that"
kokhmmm says, "Amy then both of us are getting it." Severy-1 says, "I
turned on subscriptions for Peter and Amy" Severy-1 says, "Anyone can
change their subscriptions :-)" saavik says, "i'm not on elections
committee" john-r says, "Amy for backup, it would help for a month to get
the e-mails " Severy-1 says, "Ok, I turned it on for you since the alias
went to you before, and I didn't want to assume :-)" saavik says, "amy
tries to figure out how to turn itoff by herself" saavik says, "amy notes
that john's message is *not* in the mailbox" john-r says, "i just closed it"
john-r says, "is it in the closed?"
DaveW-1 arrives.
john-r says, "Hi DaveW"
saavik says, "how do I turn off notices? I can't find it" DaveW-1 says,
"greetings"
kokhmmm says, "Hi, Dave"
Severy-1 says, "User Preferences->Edit User Info, Amy" MikeD wants to
shutdown mlb.com so he can once again get an audio stream of the Giants
games from knbr.com Severy-1 says, "Hi, Dave!"
Severy-1 says, "Anyway, moving on to Moon Society Flyer and Brochure..."
Severy-1 says, "I assume no progress to report, Greg? (Ian isn't here so I
can't harrass him as well)" saavik says, "done, thanks"
Severy-1 says, "And Arthur isn't here for Outreach" Severy-1 says, "And
Michael isn't here for Grant stuff" Severy-1 says, "So that takes us to
Team stuff" Severy-1 says, "Anything new to report, Mike?" MikeD says,
"Nothing new except that I got an email from David Schrunk and I have to
get back to him" john-r says, "on his chapter page?"
MikeD says, "I'm also waiting for Michael to finish the artemis-list
archive so I can use his work" john-r notes he needs discussion with Peter
on team stuff MikeD says, "He can't get in to do anything with it, but he
doesn't even have a team director account" john-r says, "i see on Schrunk
MikeD"
kokhmmm says, "I got email from Dave Shrunk also, but I haven't read it
yet. (hanging head in shame)" MikeD says, "Well you just got the gist of
it" Severy-1 says, "Ok, any updates on Help Desk activity?" MikeD says,
"***Help! I can't do anything! Why?***" Severy-1 says, "We still have a
number of things piled up in Information Requests" kokhmmm says, "Randall,
thanks for the Artemis brochure. I can use it in outreach but I'll have to
do a reversal of the black sky and white letters on the back side. Too much
toner! But this brochure is not helpful for devising a Moon Society one.
Nothing to carry over. Need to start fresh." john-r says, "I tried to get
some of us to meet special a couple weeks ago on help dir info, but so far
no takers" john-r says, "and i am 10 days away from any free time" Severy-1
says, "I think it's still useful as an Artemis Project brochure, Peter, but
we need to update the contact info at least" kokhmmm says, "Update contact
info. Noted. Will do that and publish to hub." john-r will be right back.
Severy-1 says, "Ok, Spam Trash mailbox has been cleaned out" Greg-1 says,
"Hooray!"
Severy-1 says, "If there is nothing else in Help Desk stuff, I guess we can
move on to Web Site stuff" john-r says, "back"
Severy-1 says, "It's all yours, John"
john-r says, "TY"
Severy-1 says, "I'll be back in a little bit, need to show my face at the
party for a few minutes" john-r says, "On the cronkite stuff for auto image
and such, its on hold due to elections.." kokhmmm says, "On spam, I did an
experiment 4 weeks ago. Replaced every email link to my alternate screen
name (ComfyRock@aol.com) on several dozen web pages, with an image. No
change in flow of spam for that email address in four weeks. Thus once your
name is out there, it is out there, and any tricks you want to add will not
help." john-r says, "I do need to make it to an asi meeting to discuss
updates to the asi site, but thats on hold till my day camp is over. this
is just a reminder..." MikeD says, "They can still scan the link" kokhmmm
says, "I do not include a link, Mike. Just the image of the name. If
someone wants to email me, they have to read the image visually and then
type it in." john-r says, "May last question on web site is what to do with
OPMS, do we want to delete it and move any outreach ideas to the outreach
team?" john-r says, "my=may"
kokhmmm says, "In other words, for four weeks, there have been no links to
that address, and the stuff keeps coming." MikeD says, "Are you sure the
email address isn't in the html file somewhere, even just as a header"
Arthur arrives.
kokhmmm says, "Probably, John, for now. If we develop high outreach traffic
with another group, then maybne we can look at special arrangements."
john-r says, "Peter , thats in part to the mail lists sold and traded in
the spammers wold, i would think" Arthur says, "sorry I'm late"
kokhmmm says, "Mike, I have made sure that the email address is nowhere in
the html." Arthur reads the meeting agenda
john-r says, "understood Peter on OPMS - RAndall do you want to delete or
should I??" MikeD says, "Disable it for a month and see how much spam you
get after you re-activate it" kokhmmm says, "John, that's my feeling too.
Email lists bought and sold. In other words, once your address is out
there, the damage is done and undoable. " kokhmmm says, "Mike it took me
hours to go thru all my web pages to make that change, no way am I going to
go thru all that to reverse it." kokhmmm says, "Mike, You can see what I
did by going to www.walnuthill.org (virtual domain for my neighborhood
website.)" john-r to severy-1 OPMS?
Severy-1 says, "You can delete it, John" john-r says, "TY"
john-r says, "Last Item for Now - PETER and the chapters team --ok?" saavik
checks in
john-r gives Amy a incoice to pay for checking in :) due 1 zillion rocks
john-r says, "invoice"
Severy-1 says, "FOB Earth or Moon?"
john-r says, "Moon"
saavik says, "Lol"
john-r says, "where else"
Severy-1 says, "Ouch, that's expensive :-)" john-r says, "anyway - Peter do
you have a list of e-mail for all the chapters on the chapters page, i feel
we need to ask all to have 1 member join the chapters team, i would
reallyy.." john-r says, "prefer to have it as a rule , for 1 chapter member
to join" kokhmmm says, "John, I'll bring that up with all the chapters and
outposts." john-r says, "In the next 30 seconds? :)" john-r says, "kidding"
john-r says, "are we done , or jump back to Outreach and Arthur" kokhmmm
says, "It only took 30 seconds to add the action item to my list :-)"
Arthur says, "outreach and arthur?"
john-r says, "ahhh, good one Peter :)"
Severy-1 says, "Arthur, we skipped over the Membership Services and
Outreach agenda items in your absence" Severy-1 says, "Any updates in
either area?" john-r says, "yArthur, you arrived after we went by that
agenda item" Arthur says, "Hmmm, updates?"
Arthur says, "James and I were wondering about the flyers Peter has" Arthur
says, "on the nsschapters hub site" Arthur says, "can we send that out as
is to people who ask for printed material?" Arthur says, "And is that one
of the things James is supposed to be doing?" Severy-1 says, "It's
something we can ask James to do, I think" Arthur says, "is Scotty not
going to be here tonight?" Severy-1 says, "I haven't heard from Scotty
about the meeting" Arthur says, "anyway, we had at least one recent request
of that sort" john-r says, "Can we have the next meeting for 3 items,
invite James here, and be sure Scotty is coing, then elections and Lun
Dir?" john-r says, "coing=coming"
Arthur says, "I'm trying to remember anything else in outreach/membership"
Arthur says, "anybody has any suggestions, go ahead :-)" Severy-1 says,
"Ok, I'll check with Scotty before the next meeting" Severy-1 says, "I
think the main thing in membership was the membership renewal e-mail
templates" Arthur says, "Right - I guess I was waiting to hear from Scotty
on those" Severy-1 says, "Ok, is there anything else we need to cover
tonight?" Arthur says, "Where exactly are they? I've seen some relevant
templates in helpdir" Severy-1 says, "They're in TeamDir"
Severy-1 says, "I created a sample one called first-renewal-notice.msg,
it's in the e-mail template subdirectory" kokhmmm says, "On outreach, I
just may be able to go to the Mars Society Convention in Oregon next month
- chance to visit relatives." Severy-1 says, "Ahh, cool!"
john-r says, "Sonds Good Peter"
john-r says, "sounds"
Arthur says, "do we have anybody going to the Space Frontier meeting in
Houston this month?" Severy-1 says, "I was hoping to make it this year, but
another trip later in the year took precedence (and the budget)" Arthur
says, "Hawaii?"
Severy-1 says, "Yeah :-)"
john-r says, "whats a budget?"
dcarson says, "should I look into a party at worldcon in Toronto end of
august?" Severy-1 says, "Combined with a trip to visit my sister on Saipan"
dcarson says, "long plane ride"
Severy-1 says, "Yup, another reason for doing it in two segments" Arthur
says, "Randall, I don't think I have access to change the email templates
in teamdir, or create new ones... or am I missing something?" Severy-1
says, "Let me check, Arthur"
john-r says, "Are we going to invite James to the next meeting?" dcarson
says, "sounds like a good idea" Severy-1 says, "You needed System Admin
permissions, Arthur, which you now have, just be careful in there :-)"
Arthur says, "Ok, thanks :-)"
Severy-1 says, "John, it may be better to talk about what we want James to
do before involving him in the discussion" john-r says, "that sounds ok"
john-r says, "but we neeeed ol' Scotty" john-r says, "any way, are we done?
anything else?" Arthur says, "James did have the contract last I heard,
though he hadn't got it back to Scotty eyt" Arthur says, "yet too"
MikeD says, "Scotty's busy in the engine room reconfiguring the dilithium
crystals right now" Severy-1 grins.
john-r says, "ahhh"
Severy-1 says, "Anything else we need to cover tonight?" john-r says, "we
do need help with our warp drive" MikeD says, "We'd be happy if the impulse
engines worked" john-r says, "the only thing thats needs covered, is me in
my bed :)" Severy-1 says, "If not, then thanks everyone for a good
meeting!" john-r says, "TY and nite all"
Greg-1 says, "Thank you, Randall!"
Greg-1 says, "... and everybody!"
john-r has disconnected.
kokhmmm says, "On outreach, I just may be able to go to the Mars Society
Convention in Oregon next month - chance to visit relatives.Good night all"
Severy-1 says, "I'll be packing up and heading home in a little while"
Arthur says, "Thanks - sorry I was so late - I was home watching kids and
the baby needed a lot of attention tonight... trouble when Mom's out..."
kokhmmm says, "Ooops!"
kokhmmm has disconnected.
Severy-1 says, "No problem, Arthur, better late then never!" Severy-1 will
be away from his keyboard for a bit. MikeD will be away from his keyboard
for about 14 hours Arthur says, "Good night Mike!"
MikeD says, "Night"

-- End log: Wednesday, July 2, 2003 10:44:46 pm ASI Meeting Server time --