-- Start log: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 9:03:28 pm ASI Meeting Server time-- Severy switches places with Severy-4 Scottyg-3 has arrived. john-r says, "hi scotty" kokhmmm says, "Hi Scotty" Scottyg-3 says, "Hi all!" Greg-2 arrives amidst thundering applause. Arthur says, "Hi Greg and Scotty!" Greg-2 says, "Hi Arthur." Greg-2 says, "If I disappear suddenly, it's because there's a thunderstorm sitting on our house." dcarson arrives. dcarson reads the meeting agenda Severy-4 says, "Tell it to leave, Greg :-)" Scottyg-3 says, "Yeah, it may be too heavy for the house." With a sparkle of transporter light, saavik appears saavik reads the meeting agenda Arthur says, "Hi Amy!" saavik waves. saavik says, "Hi - did i miss anything?" Arthur says, "Maybe Amy can volunteer for VP?" saavik looks the other way and whistles saavik says, "we need a vp?" saavik says, "read recorder" saavik says, "err" saavik says, "play 58" Scottyg-3 reads the meeting agenda DaveW says, "ohh hell i will run again" Severy-4 says, "Hi, Amy!" saavik says, "oh heck. that was annoying" Severy-4 says, "Try "play current on recorder", Amy" saavik says, "who started the recorder?" saavik says, "I want to know if I need to restart it" Severy-4 says, "I did" saavik says, "oh ok" saavik says, "it is current for tonight then?" Severy-4 says, "Yes" Scottyg-3 says, "Try look recorder Amy." saavik says, "nod, ok, caught up" Severy-4 says, "Ok, I think most of us are here now, so let's get started" Severy-4 says, "What's the latest status on elections?" DaveW says, "Peter put my name down for VP" kokhmmm says, "Okay, so far for Director, I have 3 nominations, Severy, Strock, and John Alford Rementeria - notice, nothing from Dana yet" DaveW has no where to go but up kokhmmm says, "For officers, Amy for Secretary, Dave (Maybe, and reluctantly) for VEEP." kokhmmm says, "In short one nomination per slot = no contests, no suspense" saavik says, "I nominate Dana unless he doesn't want it" Greg-2 throttles Dana. saavik says, "and hey, that is John_r?" saavik says, "that is good too but never heard his full name" Greg-2 says, "Hey Dana, make a noise!" Severy-4 says, "John_R is John R Schrock" Greg-2 says, "Yeah." saavik says, "oh ok. so who is the other guy?" Greg-2 says, "I was wondering that, too." kokhmmm says, "Yah, John! How about throwing in your hat for something?" Severy-4 says, "Not to be confused with Ian R Strock :-)" john-r says, "i am using aq java pop up win, and not tk-moo lite- i must apaear diff" Severy-4 says, "Nope, you look the same as usual, John" saavik says, "so john, volunteer for something" john-r says, "amy i have :) web team leader" john-r says, "an officer i have to think about" Arthur says, "Actually, John's not been a member that long (same deal I had last year...)" john-r says, "true" Greg-2 says, "John Alford Rementeria has not been? Or John R. Schrock has not been?" kokhmmm says, "The Board can exempt an outstanding person from that provision. Done previously." saavik says, "true john!" saavik says, "you were close though Arthur" dcarson says, "hes been longer then a year though" kokhmmm says, "I did not look up Rementaria's number yet." dcarson says, "Feb 09, 2002" Greg-2 says, "For whom, Dana?" dcarson says, "John" kokhmmm says, "But we've got three years' milage out of John already. He's a workhorse!" saavik says, "same john peter?" dcarson says, "May 26, 2002 for Rementaria" john-r says, "ty peter " saavik says, "I think you mean john_r" john-r turns red kokhmmm says, "We can disqualify Rementaria then, especially if Dana runs." saavik says, "lol" saavik says, "so for elections, do we need to beat the bushes?" Greg-2 says, "Dana made noise that sounded a lot like "Of course I would be happy to run for re-election to the Moon Society Board of Directors." I heard it! I did!" dcarson says, "I'm willing to run but also willing to let someone new get in" DaveW says, "just don't beat the candidates" Greg-2 says, "We never beat candidates, Dave." Greg-2 says, "That starts after the election." saavik winces from her beating Severy-4 says, "We beat officers and directors" john-r says, "ahh the secret is out" DaveW can't remember that far back Arthur switches places with Arthur-1 Greg-2 refrains from making tasteless jokes about the "moon" society. Severy-4 says, "Ok, so any action items on elections? Or are we just waiting for more nominations to arrive?" saavik reads the meeting agenda saavik says, "so - are elections done for now? Or no?" kokhmmm says, "So, do you think we should hit Artemis list again? or a second general email reminder on nominations?" saavik says, "when are they due peter?" saavik says, "I owe a paragraph ;-)" kokhmmm says, "Due end of July, so we can start elections August 1 - we are running late, remember. 2 months late, so this would catch up one month." dcarson says, "a reminder on Artemis and moon list wouldn't hurt" kokhmmm says, "Yes, I have gotten candidate statements from no one to date." Greg-2 says, "Yeah, good idea, Peter." kokhmmm says, "I want to run candidate statements in the August issue." Severy-4 says, "Yeah, I still owe a candidate statement, which I'll send in once I'm home for more than a few minutes" Severy-4 says, "What's the submission deadline for the August issue, Peter?" kokhmmm says, "I can hold the August issue, but I'd like to finalize it so that I can get the PDF file out as soon as possible after 8/1" saavik says, "I'll be much happier after this monday" saavik says, "big deadline... working in another window even as we meet. sigh" Severy-4 says, "Ok, I'll try to put something together next week" kokhmmm says, "Again, I can hold up the August issue, a bit. I have a lot of work to do on it anyway. One 2 page submission leaves 18 pages for me, so far." Arthur-1 says, "Peter, do you have a quick way to check if somebody is on your mailing list?" Arthur-1 says, "I'll email you the name and address" kokhmmm says, "Arthur, yes, on the hardcopy list. I can check right away." Scottyg-3 says, "Arthur, there's a copy of the latest list saved in /private/leaders on asi." Arthur-1 says, "Oh, ok, let me check there, thanks." Scottyg-3 says, "Unless Randall has moved it." Arthur-1 says, "Oh, wait, I don't have access to that. I'll just email to Peter." saavik reads the meeting agenda Severy-4 says, "Ok, are we done with elections?" john-r says, "just a reminder.." kokhmmm says, "I have no more on elections" john-r says, "dana and i " john-r says, "need to start on the vote page" john-r says, "done" kokhmmm says, "copy that, John-R and Dana" Severy-4 says, "Ok, let's move on to Membership stuff" Severy-4 says, "Scotty and Arthur, I believe you've already been talking about that in another room :-)" Scottyg-3 says, "Yep...." Scottyg-3 says, "Arthur has been carrying the ball on this for a while and has prepared a new renewal letter that was passed around and has now been updated." Scottyg-3 says, "Many thanks to him for doing this while I was swamped." Arthur-1 says, "And Scotty's going to work on stronger wording for renewals 2-5?" Arthur-1 says, "What will it take, once these are ready, to start sending them automatically?" Scottyg-3 says, "What's left to do is generate variations on it for each iteration of renewals, and I've commited to have that done by the first of next week." Severy-4 says, "I need to set up a cron job to send out the renewal reminders every night" Scottyg-3 says, "I think Randall has the supporting structure in place and ready to go." Scottyg-3 says, "He just needs the templates." Severy-4 [to do]: that, I'll need a list of the templates and the time period (before or after expiration) each one should be sent out for Severy-4 says, "To do that, I'll need a list of the templates and the time period (before or after expiration) each one should be sent out for" Scottyg-3 says, "I'll send that when they're ready." Arthur-1 says, "Anybody remember the plan for the schedule? I seem to recall it was every 2 weeks starting a month before renewal?" Scottyg-3 says, "Does anyone have any additional comments or suggestions on the sample reminder that was sent around a couple of weeks ago?" Severy-4 says, "The cron script will have entries like the following:" Arthur-1 says, "Anyway, the list should be /email/renewal-notice-x.msg" Severy-4 says, "./tdnotify renew -60 first-renewal-notice.msg" Severy-4 says, "./tdnotify renew -30 second-renewal-notice.msg" Arthur-1 says, "x = 1,2,3,4,5" Severy-4 says, "Which would send out first-renewal-notice.msg 60 days before expiration, and second-renewal-notice.msg 30 days before expiration" Scottyg-3 says, "No, its -10,-6,-2, +2 and +6 weeks relative to expiration date." Severy-4 says, "I'll need those dates as number of days" Arthur-1 says, "Ok, I was way off. Scotty's sounds good" Arthur-1 says, "(multiply by 7 for days...)" Severy-4 grins. Scottyg-3 says, "-135, -45, -15, 15, 45 days" Arthur-1 says, "135??" Scottyg-3 says, "2 1/2 months" Arthur-1 says, "135 days is more like 4 months" Scottyg-3 says, "Oh, thats 3 1/2" Arthur-1 says, "-75 or -70 I think" Scottyg-3 says, "-75 instead of -135" Severy-4 says, "Once the templates are finished, just send me an e-mail with the template names and the corresponding date offsets for each template" Scottyg-3 says, "Actually, 135 is 4 1/2" Severy-4 says, "On membership processing, are there any open issues on what James is working on? Is he up to speed on everything that needs to be done?" john-r says, "Randall-when the cron is run, and e-mails sent to members, where to the bounces land, when e-mail is incorrect?" Scottyg-3 says, "Thats what I get for doing the arithmetic in my head." Severy-4 says, "Whatever the From: header is set to in the template, John" Scottyg-3 says, "Did you talk to him about the payment date?" Severy-4 says, "Yes, he knows to add payment records now" john-r says, "and Arthur-Scotty where is the from name-or who is in the from name" Scottyg-3 says, "Then there are no other open issues." Arthur-1 says, "Bounces should probably go to the membership@moonsociety.org helpdir list?" Severy-4 says, "The From header could be either teamdir@moonsociety.org or membership@moonsociety.org, both end up in HelpDir mailboxes" Scottyg-3 says, "I like membership better." john-r says, "i wold say membership- if ok with aRTHUR" Severy-4 says, "When an e-mail bounces with a fatal error, I usually delete that e-mail address from the member's record" john-r says, "FATLE? AS IN NO ONE BY THAT NAME?" john-r says, "sorry for the caps lock" Arthur-1 says, "Sounds fine. We had a bounce the other day (John Day?) due to a SPAM filter that required you to be in the allowed list for that person - and by the time I got to it, they'd already deleted the message." Severy-4 says, "Yup, i.e something other than "mailbox full" or "temporarily unavailable"" john-r says, "ty" john-r says, "and is there a way, and timeeee , that the deleted e-mail is known to the membership list? or should James get a notice to send snail mail?" Severy-4 says, "They'll get snail mail reminder notices as well, this is just in addition to those" kokhmmm says, "Randall, sent you two emails" john-r says, "aahh. ok" Arthur-1 says, "Thanks peter on Chet. By the way, Amy, how far is Hudson, MA from where you are?" saavik blinks saavik says, "hudson, never heard of it" Severy-4 says, "First reply sent, Peter" Arthur-1 says, "seems to be between Walton and Worcester?" Arthur-1 says, "Waltham that is" Severy-4 says, "Ok, anything else on Membership Services for tonight?" Scottyg-3 says, "Nothing from here." Arthur-1 says, "Scotty, how is James doing? All set?" Severy-4 says, "Ok, let's move on to Lunar Director Updates and Invitations" saavik says, "hmm, probably 1.5 hrs then" saavik says, "worcester is 1 hr" saavik says, "waltham is 1.5 or so (near boston)" Severy-4 says, "And your lazy Chairman has to fall on his sword again, I *still* haven't come up with an invitation template, it's been a crazy month so far :-(" Scottyg-3 says, "As far as I know, James is doing fine. A small oversight in his training was discovered recently, but it taken care of." Severy-4 says, "I'll have one by the next meeting, I really mean it this time!" Arthur-1 says, "Oh, sorry, you already answered that, thanks" Arthur-1 says, "Who would the template go to?" Severy-4 says, "John, for the existing Lunar Directory entries, we need to get a posting e-mail address for each projects/organization and get those added to the authorized posters list for the moon-news mailing list" Severy-4 says, "Any project or organization we want to invite to be added to the Lunar Directory, Arthur" Arthur-1 says, "Ah" Arthur-1 says, "Have we invited anybody directly other than the existing participants, yet?" Arthur-1 says, "or it's waiting on the template?" Severy-4 says, "Only those we talked to at ISDC" Arthur-1 says, "right, ok" Severy-4 says, "If you already have contact with someone that would be a good candidate, go ahead and ask them, you don't need to wait on the template" john-r says, "ok, Randall, i will need to try this week end, IF i get my mach working, and i think i will" Arthur-1 says, "ok" Severy-4 says, "I envision the template as more for use in "cold calls" where we find out about an organization and send a blind e-mail to someone in the organization" john-r says, "so the list in the out reach team needs reviewd" john-r says, "for the lunar dir" Severy-4 says, "Ok, anything else on Lunar Directory?" Severy-4 says, "Ok, moving on to Moon Society flyer" Severy-4 says, "Ian isn't here to harrass, so that leaves only Greg. Hey, Greg, any progress on the flyer, brochure, and other materials? :-)" Greg-2 says, "Erm... did I have an action item there?" kokhmmm says, "John-r, sent you an email (need reply during meeting)" Greg-2 practices his dodging techniques. Severy-4 says, "Yup, Greg, as outlined in an e-mail on June 22nd titled "Updates to Moon Society and Artemis Project materials"" john-r says, "ok peter on e-mail" saavik says, "damn" saavik says, "I think I changed my paper on two machines without getting the syncrhonized version (sync software is being odd today)" Arthur-1 says, "The unemotional vulcan?" saavik says, "GRN" saavik wonders if anyone needs the secrtary - she is almost done with sending off her draft kokhmmm says, "Thanks, John. Randall, we need Board vote to suspend 2 yr requirement for John Schrock to run for Director slot." saavik is waiting for the dang sync software to run Severy-4 says, "Ok, do we need the board meeting tonight? Or at the next meeting?" Arthur-1 says, "August 1 is when we decide on the slate of candidates?" kokhmmm says, "Next meeting is okay, if I postpone August issue pdf publication to following day, August 7" kokhmmm says, "Next meeting is 3 weeks from today" saavik says, "3 weeks?" saavik says, "oh, is there a 5th week? that is odd" saavik says, "oh, ok (whew, I have a job on 5th sundays and that was *last* month)" Severy-4 says, "There are actually a lot of 5th Wednesdays this year" john-r says, "amy the vucan is stresssed" Severy-4 says, "Hmm, I think we have a quorum here tonight, let's just get the board meeting over with so Peter doesn't have to change his MMM schedule" Severy-4 says, "Is everyone ok with a quickie board meeting?" kokhmmm says, "Yup" Arthur-1 says, "ok with me" saavik says, "true john" An enormous gavel descends rapidly from the sky and opens the Moon Society Board of Directors meeting with a loud crash! Severy-4 says, "Ok, roll call, what Directors are here tonight?" Severy-4 is here kokhmmm says, "I move that the Board suspend the 2 year membership requirement for John R. Schrock to run for a director slot. He has been a tireless worker since the day he joined." kokhmmm says, "Peter here" Severy-4 says, "Ok, folks, I said a "quick" board meeting, so I'll need some responses tonight :-)" Scottyg-3 says, "Try shouting." Severy-4 says, "I could shout, but there are too many people in other MOO worlds in here, who would get really confused :-)" Arthur-1 says, "I second Peter's motion" Arthur-1 says, "So we all vote?" dcarson says, "here" Severy-4 says, "I'm still waiting on the roll call :-(" saavik says, "I third it but I always forget if I can vote in the board" Arthur-1 says, "here" saavik says, "here" Severy-4 says, "Greg?" Scottyg-3 says, "Arthur, we have to establish that there is a quorum present and waive notice before we can conduct business." Arthur-1 says, "right" Severy-4 says, "How many is a quorum for us (I keep forgetting)?" Severy-4 says, "There are seven directors" Scottyg-3 says, "Four I think." Arthur-1 says, "Dana, Scotty, Randall, me, Peter have said they are here" Arthur-1 says, "and Amy" Severy-4 says, "Ok, so we can ignore Greg :-)" Scottyg-3 says, "I'm not a Board member." Greg-2 says, "I am, though." Arthur-1 says, "We're missing Greg, Ian, and Michael Mealling?" Severy-4 says, "Ok, does everyone waive notice for this meeting?" Severy-4 says, "Ahh, there he is!" kokhmmm says, "Yes" Arthur-1 says, "Yes" Greg-2 says, "I waive notice for the meeting." Scottyg-3 says, "No, sorry, its 5." Severy-4 says, "Yes" dcarson says, "I waive notice" saavik says, "yes" saavik says, "(if I can)" Severy-4 says, "Ahh, so we *do* need Greg after all :-)" Greg-2 says, "Yes. I'm around here somewhere!" Severy-4 says, "Nice to be needed once in a while, eh, Greg? :-)" Severy-4 says, "Ok, Peter, *now* you can make your motion" kokhmmm says, "I move that the Board suspend the 2 year membership requirement for John R. Schrock to run for a director slot. He has been a tireless worker since the day he joined." Greg-2 says, "Yes, I still have some value around here." Greg-2 says, "After all, I keep this chair from flying off into the sky!" kokhmmm says, "Must be made of cavourite, Greg!" Severy-4 says, "Do I hear a second on Peter's motion?" dcarson says, "second" Severy-4 says, "Ahh, I *thought* I heard a second :-)" Severy-4 says, "All in favor?" Greg-2 says, "Aye" Severy-4 says, "Aye" Arthur-1 says, "Aye" kokhmmm says, "Aye" saavik says, "aye" saavik says, "again assuming I can vote :-)" dcarson says, "aye" An enormous gavel descends rapidly from the sky and declares the motion passed! Greg-2 says, "LOL" Scottyg-3 says, "Amy, you and I can't vote." Severy-4 says, "Ok, any other business to be brought before the board tonight?" Greg-2 says, "Aw, you can vote. It's just that the votes don't count. :)" Severy-4 chuckles. Greg-2 says, "Move to adjourn." dcarson says, "second" Severy-4 says, "All in favor?" Severy-4 says, "Aye" dcarson says, "aye" kokhmmm says, "On MMM, US domestic bulk mail hardcopoy update is 134 Moon Society plus 127 other - 261 (minimum 200) for July Review issue" kokhmmm says, "aye" Severy-4 says, "Greg? Arthur?" Arthur-1 says, "aye to adjourn" saavik says, "oh!" Arthur-1 says, "Peter, is that up a bit then?" saavik says, "do was it official without my vote then?" kokhmmm says, "Down about 10, some of it from NSS-OASIS" Severy-4 says, "Yup, but we still haven't finished the board meeting yet!" Severy-4 says, "Greg?" Greg-2 is lost. Severy-4 says, "Need an eye from you on adjourning..." Greg-2 says, "Oh... AYE!" Severy-4 laughs. kokhmmm says, "Randall, Greg made the motion to adjurn, so assumed to vote aye" An enormous gavel descends rapidly from the sky and declares the board meeting closed! Greg-2 says, "(Sorry.)" Severy-4 says, "Thanks!" Greg-2 says, "Actually, we wouldn't want to assume that the person who made a motion will vote in favor of it. I've seen the opposite happen." kokhmmm says, "Usually the opposite happens after unfriendly ammendments maide, I would think" dcarson says, "sometimes you wanted voted on because you want it to lose" kokhmmm says, "Gotcha" Severy-4 says, "Anyway, since I assume Greg doesn't have any updates on the flyer or brochures :-), let's move on to Outreach" Severy-4 says, "Anything to report in that area tonight?" Arthur-1 says, "nothing new I know about, sorry." kokhmmm says, "Looking unlikely that I will make the Mars Convention in Oregon next month, so I won't be able to represent us." Severy-4 says, "I definitely won't make the Mars Convention, so I won't be able to either" Arthur-1 says, "I guess everybody heard "Return to the Moon" was canceled for this year. Do we want to work with SFF on getting it back next year?" kokhmmm says, "I am still go for ISDC 2004, Oklahoma City" john-r says, "maybe dick steffens can, he is out in that area, but i do not know if he is a mars member" john-r says, "or hgow his funding is" kokhmmm says, "Actually, several Oregon L5 members are Mars Society members. I will ask them" Greg-2 says, "Why did SFF cancel the conference this year?" DaveW says, "low registration is what I heard" kokhmmm says, "Perhaps low registration and/or low speaker confirmation" Arthur-1 says, "Software Development Magazine had a little contest this month - proposals for how to replace in-person conferences with something electronic that was as effective, since nobody seems to want to travel to meetings any more..." Arthur-1 says, "I was going to write in something suggesting MOO-type software :-)" Arthur-1 says, "But nothing technological beats meeting people in person" dcarson says, "moo software does allow the random talking in the halls where most of the real value is" Scottyg-3 says, "The major shortcoming of the MOO is the lack of a sound interface." saavik says, "yeah" Arthur-1 says, "well, get on it :-)" Arthur-1 says, "That's actually a very good idea Scotty :-)" Arthur-1 reads the meeting agenda Severy-4 says, "A while ago I had looked at text-to-speech and speech-to-text converters for use with the MOO" Severy-4 says, "The main problem was interfacing them with MOO client software" Severy-4 says, "Anyway, let's move on in the agenda" Arthur-1 says, "Apple's doing something with sound on their new Chat client" Arthur-1 says, "Yup" Severy-4 says, "Michael isn't here to talk about grant opportunities" saavik says, "i have the isight camera" saavik says, "it is both cool and spooky as all heck" Severy-4 says, "And Mike isn't here to talk about Team stuff" Severy-4 says, "So that takes us to Help Desk, anything we need to talk about stuff in the queues?" Arthur-1 says, "Membership's caught up (as of this evening)" kokhmmm says, "Another shortcoming of MOO is that some of us have never seen many of the others, don't even know what they look like. For me thats Dave W, Mike M, Mike D, John R for example." Severy-4 says, "I'll clean out the Spam Trash mailbox tomorrow" kokhmmm says, "We should have a gallery of portraits or photos of our officers and directors, with link on proper page." john-r says, "web was caught uo a couple days ago, with one left to answe, someone has a link to to asi, but i need to e-mail the leaders list when i get my modem back working on my machine" john-r says, "i know where MikeDcan be seen and me" kokhmmm says, "John, email me that and I'll reciprocate" john-r says, "will do" john-r says, "asi has bios, and pics, and will some day... will be caught up" Severy-4 says, "Ok, let's move on to State of the Society updates, any updates in this area?" Severy-4 says, "I don't know of anything significant we need to announce now or in the near future, except eventually for the elections" Severy-4 says, "So let's move on to 10K ideas" Severy-4 says, "Do we have any updates in this area?" saavik looks toward her bed and yawns saavik says, "you met dave at the same time that you met me, peter?" saavik says, "at least I think dave was in las vegas that year" saavik says, "and mike m too" saavik says, "but I agree on mike d and john r and arthur :-)" Severy-4 says, "If there's nothing to cover in 10K ideas, let's finish up with Web Site Design" Severy-4 says, "Any news to report, John?" DaveW was there in Vegas kokhmmm says, "Maybe, but I don't have an image in my memory bank due to a glitch or two or three" saavik says, "ahh" Saavik notes that even full Vulcans need to sleep sometimes john-r says, "not tonight, i need to get with Dana on election vote page" saavik says, "I have to head out folks, sorry" Severy-4 says, "Good night, Amy!" saavik says, "good night all" saavik has disconnected. Scottyg-3 says, "Nite Amy" john-r says, "nite Amy" john-r says, "i would like to talk with greg on leto, after the meeting, if he has time" kokhmmm says, "Good night all, have to run" john-r says, "nite Peter" kokhmmm has disconnected. Greg-2 says, "John, what did you want to talk about?" Scottyg-3 says, "Hah. I at least get a sound if someone pages me now." Greg-2 says, "Oh goody!" Arthur-1 says, "Well, it's getting late here too - I'm afk for a bit" Greg-2 says, "Did it work?" Scottyg-3 says, "I set up a trigger on "You sense that"" Severy-4 says, "Ok, sounds like a good time to wrap up the meeting" -- End log: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 10:54:18 pm ASI Meeting Server time --