-- Start log: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:36:05 pm ASI Meeting Server time-- 

MikeD says, "Wow!"
MikeD says, "Who did that?"
MikeD says, "How do you mean you got no confirmation Peter?" MikeD says,
"Were you requesting receive or read receipts?" kokhmmm says, "Don't know.
I just pressed send, and saw no indication of anything happening." MikeD
says, "Ahh"
MikeD says, "It is possible to request read receipts, but that can be more
trouble than it's worth" john-r says, "do we know if James can send e-mails
to the appox 2 dozen members -??" john-r says, "that the e-mail bounced"
MikeD says, "He can send them, but they'll still bounce" john-r says,
"nooo, snail mail :)"
john-r says, "ahh, i see my error"
MikeD says, "I can't answer that question" kokhmmm says, "He'll have to
match names to the email addresses." MikeD says, "Team Dir allows searching
by email address" kokhmmm says, "With the voting so light, it may not be
worth the effort." MikeD says, "The thing is, who are the 12 or so?" Greg-1
says, "Folks tend to wait until the last minute and respond to nagging."
john-r says, "Does anyone know if he is up todate with the normal tasks?"
Greg-1 says, "And, fwiw, I don'"
Greg-1 says, "I don't think I've seen a ballot yet. Michael said he hasn't,
either." Greg-1 says, "Maybe a little remind in artemis-list would help."
MikeD says, "Check you email for August 8th" kokhmmm says, "I sent the
bounced email addresses to Scotty but did not keep a record of them. So if
Scotty doesn't have the list we'd have to send out a test mail to locatethe
bounces affresh." MikeD says, "Unless it got sent straight to your
trashbin" Greg-1 says, "It shouldn't have. It should have filtered directly
to my main In box." kokhmmm says, "Greg and Michael, if you give me your
preferred email addresses, I can send you a copy." Greg-1 says, "grb@asi.org
"
Michael says, "michael@neonym.net"
MikeD says, "Maybe we should send a blanket reminder again" Greg-1 says,
"Wat return address is on the message?" Greg-1 says, "What, too"
MikeD says, "KokhMMM@aol.com <KokhMMM@aol.com>" john-r says, "with a
subject of 2nd notice-ballot" MikeD says, "Original Subject: Moon Society
ELECTIONS 2003" Greg-1 says, "Yeah, if it was addressed to my main address,
it should go straight to my In box." MikeD says, "It's OK Greg, you can
have one of the 2 I got" Michael reads the meeting agenda
Greg-1 says, "Are we using the Moon Society Team Director?" Michael says,
"so have we beat this one to death? Any other elections issues? If not I
suggest we move on to the next item." MikeD reads the meeting agenda
Greg-1 says, "Oho! I did get the one on 7/8/2003." kokhmmm says, "Greg and
Michael, check your email for "elections 2003" sent just now." Scottyg-2
says, "Peter, I didn't get that list. Did you send it to my old email
address?" Greg-1 says, "Checking..."
kokhmmm says, "Scotty, to <scottygamm@topher.net> only address I have"
Scottyg-2 says, "(scottygamm@topher.net is no longer a good address. Sent
to treasurer@moonsociety.org." MikeD says, "Peter, how did you send out the
'Moon Society ELECTIONS 2003' email?" kokhmmm says, "Scotty, correcting
address book now, but can't recover info." Scottyg-2 says, "Or
scottygamm@dfwair.net is the real address, but if that changes I'll update
the alias." Scottyg-2 says, "Its not in your "Sent Mail" folder?" MikeD
says, "Not if he sent it from Team Dir" Greg-1 says, "Oops... The one I
received July 8 was the nominating ballot" MikeD says, "NM, stupid answer"
Scottyg-2 says, "If he sent it from Team Director, I'll bet its in the log
file." Greg-1 says, "Oh! Here it is! August 4" Greg-1 says, "So, I did
receive it, twice." MikeD says, "Sorry, I gave you the wrong date" MikeD
says, "I think"
MikeD says, "Yup, I did"
Scottyg-2 says, "Are we ready to do Membership Services?" kokhmmm says,
"Scotty, I emailed the list of bounces from my own email address. I do not
have my preferences set to save all sent mail. Better correct that. AOl
only saves so far back otherwise." kokhmmm says, "Scotty, I DO have them.
Will resend right now." john-r says, "Peter, when you run the second
notice, get the bounces, and send to the leaders list, ok?" john-r says,
"Dana, on voteing page, have you had anytime to work on it?" dcarson says,
"let me move it up on the to do list" kokhmmm says, "OK, Scotty,look for
"elections 2003 bounces"" Scottyg-2 says, "Ok, thanks Peter!"
kokhmmm says, "John, will send to leaders list now (found them all)" MikeD
hmms.
MikeD says, "Moon Colony Within 20 Years:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3161695.stm" john-r says, "TY
peter"
Greg-1 says, "I'm embarrassed to have to ask, but John, how do you spell
your last name?" john-r says, "Schrock"
Greg-1 says, "Ahm, that's what I thought. The ballot I'm reading says
"Strock."" Greg-1 says, "I've heard that name somewhere... hmmm...." MikeD
says, "That would be a different person" MikeD says, "Sany Eggo"
Greg-1 says, "Oh. John R. Strock #1778 isn't our John R?" john-r says, ":)"
MikeD hmms.
kokhmmm says, "Greg, I corrected all the typos in the MMM version" MikeD
says, "Let me check on that"
Greg-1 says, "Duh... it really sucks to grow old." john-r says, "yup :)"
Scottyg-2 says, "I'm afraid I have bad news...It <news:news...It> just gets
worse." Greg-1 says, "Rats!"
irs says, "Yeah! I was thrilled by the ballot. For the first time, my name
WASN'T misspelled. Instead, Randall and John got to deal with MY spellings.
<G>" MikeD says, "What gets worse"
Greg-1 says, "But eventually you get to the point you don't notice! :)"
Scottyg-2 says, "LOL"
john-r says, "my mem num is 1178"
Scottyg-2 says, "I haven't reached that point yet." Greg-1 says, "Oh good!
So it *is* you!" kokhmmm says, "oops! John, how wouyld you like to be my
proof reader?" MikeD says, "I was thinking 1778 was a bit high" john-r
says, "i am a poooor prf readder" kokhmmm says, "LOL"
Greg-1 says, "See Peter? Now you have an excuse to nag 'em again by sending
a corrected ballot!" Greg-1 says, "I'm on to your ways! :)"
john-r says, "i am such a poor proof reader, i missed the spell err" john-r
says, "any way, are we ok to move on in the agenda?" MikeD says, "Ah, I was
getting confused with Joe Strout and David Schrunk and John Schrock and
....." kokhmmm says, "Greg, don't think a typo or two is reason for
ignoring ballot!" Scottyg-2 says, "Lets move on."
Scottyg-2 says, "Since Arthur isn't here, I'll fill in." MikeD says, "I'm
just glad it's clarified" Greg-1 says, "Thanks, Scotty."
Scottyg-2 says, "Arthur and i have planned to meet with James to go over
the processing again." Scottyg-2 says, "But we haven't gotten that done
yet." Scottyg-2 says, "I think the basic processing is getting done but I'm
not so sure about snail mail stuff like renewal notices, membership
packets, and posters or bumper stickers." Scottyg-2 says, "I suspect he
isn't keeping up because he hasn't turned in any bills for reimbursement."
MikeD says, "He may not actually want to send them in until it's worth it"
Scottyg-2 says, "Arthur is on vacation and I'll be out of town next week,
so we probably won't have a chance to meet with him until the following
week." Scottyg-2 says, "Mike, he's on a tight budget so i don't think he
can afford to let them stack up much." MikeD says, "That's true, but how
much does each one cost?" Scottyg-2 says, "Postage to send the posters 7
such can easily run $100.00" Scottyg-2 says, "7 = &"
MikeD says, "Each?"
MikeD says, "Or per month?"
Scottyg-2 says, "No, over a couple of months." MikeD says, "He could just
be waiting for it to hit $100, but it sounds like you're probably right"
MikeD says, "something tells me it might not work out as we would like"
Scottyg-2 says, "Thats all I have for tonight, except that we might want to
discuss special membership classes like student and seniors as a related
topic." Scottyg-2 says, "Thats not on the agenda, but we agreed at last
meeting to discuss it tonight." kokhmmm says, "Even if we don't have a
board quorum, might be worth seeing if we can reach some sort of advisory
consensus on student memberships" john-r says, "sidenote, memberships
services in help dir was caught a few days ago when i checked" Scottyg-2
says, "Peter, would you introduce the topic?" MikeD says, "Students with
their energy and resouces can be worth a lot, but seniors with their
knowledge and time are very valuable too. And some of them are *quite*
energetic" kokhmmm says, "Jonathan Goff of the Utah Outpost who is also
trying to start a student chapter at BYU (Brigham Young U in Provo, Utah)
asked about reduced rates for students to attract more members. I agreed to
bring it up." kokhmmm says, "If the BYU chapter succeeds, it will be a
template for others to follow" Scottyg-2 says, "I ran an analysis from last
year's financials." kokhmmm says, "MikeD, why thanks!"
Scottyg-2 says, "Our costs are as follows:" Scottyg-2 says, "All costs
except MMM and incentives: $7.50" Scottyg-2 says, "MMM for electronic
publication: $3.00" Scottyg-2 says, "Poster incentive: $3.00" kokhmmm says,
"Student memberships would include electronic MMM so that makes $10.50?"
Scottyg-2 says, "so that comes to $13.50 total." kokhmmm says, "Yah,
students would dig the posters for their dorm rooms" MikeD says, "So we'd
still be in the black at say $20/yr" Scottyg-2 says, "Yes Mike, for
electronic MMM." Greg-1 says, "It sure sounds like it!"
Greg-1 says, "That's proposed for full-time students and seniors?" kokhmmm
says, "I think that student/senior rate should only be offered for
electonic MMM" Greg-1 says, "Yeah."
MikeD says, "It was originally proposed for students, but I think we all
agree it should also be extended to seniprs too" kokhmmm says, "Do we take
their word for full time status and/or age? and would would be senior
qualifying age. NSS has 64 I think." MikeD says, "How would we confirm
student status?" kokhmmm . o O ( we should ask them to name institution,
even if we don't check. ) Scottyg-2 says, "I'll be AFK for a minute."
dcarson says, ".edu email address?"
MikeD says, "Nah"
john-r says, "thats wat i was going to say" dcarson says, "they need an
eddress for MMM anyway" MikeD says, "That only works for US members" Greg-1
says, "Good idea, Peter."
irs says, "When Mensa had discounted student membership, it was for members
younger than 21. 'course, Mensa also collected birthdates." Scottyg-2 says,
"If they join as part of a school-related chapter, the chapter could
certify them." kokhmmm says, "NSS has 22, I think"
MikeD says, "Mensa actually get you into an office and can look at your ID"
dcarson says, "most places have some sort of edu domain, might be edu.uk or
some such" Scottyg-2 says, "But many people have their own email address."
MikeD says, "Hmm, like www,ucd.ie"
Greg-1 says, "I'm thinking we ask for the member's educational institution
and then trust people." MikeD says, "www.ucd.ie too"
dcarson says, "most people won't cheat and we aren't losing money so some
people taking advantage won't hurt us" Greg-1 says, "What Dana said."
kokhmmm says, "Greg, I agree. At that rate we are not losing money even if
a few are dishonest." MikeD says, "Don't most colleges issue something to
students so they can get their ID and discount cards anyway" Greg-1 says,
"And I'd be surprised if anyone were dishonest about that, when joining the
Moon Society." Greg-1 says, "We could ask for a student ID number." MikeD
says, "I don't know how to check those" MikeD says, "And they're probably
different formats in every state or country" john-r says, "or go on trust
for say the first 100 new student and senor, then look things over to see
if we need to get more info" MikeD says, "Looks like the honor system might
be the easiest" john-r says, "if we add student ID team dir needs updated
and thats time we may not want to spend, untill the numbers prove thre
grpwth" MikeD says, "John, it may not be worth looking it over." Michael is
back
john-r says, "true MikeD, but its always an option - down the road, so to
speak" irs says, "Could ask for a photocopy of a student ID." john-r says,
"Ian, that would reqire a scanner to e-mail, or a fax at scottys/James"
MikeD says, "I would suggest that instead of putting a limit on the age we
allow 4 - 5 years at student rate and then apply full rate thereafter based
on the dob they entered when they first applied" MikeD says, "Or they'd
have to snail the app" irs says, "I keep thinking paper. This electronic
stuff...." irs says, "I started my student memberships in high school, ran
them through college. That was 8." irs says, "Anyway, I don't have much
problem with the honor system to start. See how it goes." MikeD says,
"Oops!"
MikeD says, "I forgot highschool kids are students too" MikeD says, "Sorry"
john-r says, "do we want a lot of 14 yrs old to join, from a age
standpoint, and will high school kids attract parents in stretching the
truth of who the real member is?" MikeD says, "it's amazing how much stuff
a poor starving student can accumulate while never having any money" MikeD
says, "If we go into it in that depth John, then a family rate might be an
idea" kokhmmm says, "John, good point. I do know one lawyer who gets an NSS
membership for his kid so HE can read Ad Astra. But no way to check that or
prevent it." MikeD says, "Lawyers are amazingly *cheap* like that" MikeD
says, "Though mayb not all of them" kokhmmm says, "He was (died) amazingly
generous when he wanted to be" MikeD says, "They can be generous too"
MikeD says, "Very odd bunch of people"
john-r says, "if we but a notice on the join page- for a limited time
students age 15 and above to 22 , then if we got 1000 new members we could
just consider the non truths to be a discount to join, and then at some
point give notice on the join page rates subject to chang on say Jan 2n3
2005 or something to that effect" MikeD says, "Huh?"
MikeD says, "I didn't understand most of that John" kokhmmm says, "I say
take the 1000 new members and be happy" MikeD says, "Same here"
irs says, "Why not just offer a student membership rate on the regular
membership flyer. See how many take it?" john-r says, "weIMHO we need a
quick out, IF it gets out of hand, AND Marketing says limited time gets
some to think and make a buy decision" MikeD says, "Most of our members
join online afaik" Greg-1 says, "How about we put it in motion. Then if we
find that 50% of our members are suddenly students with no increase in
membership, we'll rethink the plan. :)" dcarson says, "sounds good"
john-r says, "i agree with take the 1000 and be happy, BUT if our member
services get out of hand, and may cost lots to keep up- tho thats a problem
down the road" MikeD says, "What happens if I go back to college?" Greg-1
says, "Then you become a student, Mike." dcarson says, "student and senior
memberships at $20 ?" Greg-1 says, "What Dana said."
irs says, "What Greg said. Try it. We can always change it quickly enough."
MikeD says, "Is it worth posting flyers in our local schools & colleges?"
MikeD says, "If we can get permission." john-r says, "so student (with no
age limite to start) and senior at 20 with pdg MMM" Michael says, "dont'
solve problems until they actually become problems...." MikeD says, "Both
are with pdf MMM"
john-r says, "LOL"
john-r says, "detail people worry them selves to death :)" MikeD attends to
one last detail before keeling over kokhmmm says, "The downer would be if
too many current members getting hardcopy MMM renew as students with
electronic MMM. But worth the chance." MikeD says, "I don't think we have
that many students Peter" john-r says, "the 10ft gollia is a student"
kokhmmm says, "Or seniors or dishonest adults, I trust" irs says, "When you
don't have money, renewing as a student ain't that much of a savings (take
it from someone who is struggling)." MikeD says, "I suspect we have more
seniors that you might realize Peter" john-r says, "do we have a quorm
tonight?" MikeD says, "Not sure"
Greg-1 says, "Flyers at schools are a great idea!" john-r says, "or get
approval on the leaders list so Randall can submit his wisdom" Greg-1 says,
"What do we need? A quorum of the board?" john-r says, "But Greg We need a
NEW flyer (hint is from Randall )" irs says, "That's my fault, still, not
Greg's." MikeD says, "We're only missing 2 from the board aren't we"
Michael says, "I'm just Greg's yes man so I'll vote on whatever he tells me
to. ;-)" irs says, "Magazine's been taking ALL my time, but I'll make time
for the flyer real soon now." john-r says, "ahh ik, noted Flyer is RIan's
:)" john-r says, "ik=ok"
john-r says, "and RIan is Ian"
dcarson says, "if you can get me a copy by worldcon I'll copy and put them
out" john-r says, "which is when Dana?"
MikeD says, "If I can have one soon, I might be able to put some in UCD and
TCD" john-r says, "And Ian, when is you next convention" Greg-1 says,
"Yeah, I know we need a new flyer. I'm hoping we can find someone to create
one besides Somebody Else. :)" john-r says, "LOL at somebody, or
anybody..." MikeD says, "Does Sombody Else charge a fee or something?"
Greg-1 says, "Michael, neat idea! I'll nominate you for president,
treasurer, and chairman of the board! :)" dcarson says, "worldcon is next
week"
john-r says, "close..."
Greg-1 says, "It's an old joke. I once wrote a note that folks tend to come
up with action items for Somebody Else to do, and signed it "Somebody
Else." So then Randall called me at work and said "May I speak to Somebody
Else?"" john-r says, "LOL"
irs says, "There's a story in there, Greg. Wish I had time to write it."
Greg-1 says, "What you said, Ian."
Greg-1 says, "Sounds like a Probability Zero to me." irs says, "I've got
three queued up waiting to be written already." kokhmmm says, "Back fo
Board quorum. Greg, Ian, Dana, Peter, who else? " Michael says, "me"
Greg-1 says, "That's 5 of 7."
john-r says, "DaveW if he is at keyboard???" kokhmmm says, "That's a quorum
- let's vote" john-r says, "we needd a specific motion??" DaveW says, "I am
here"
john-r says, "Hi DaveW"
MikeD says, "5 of 7 sounds like a Borg designation" Greg-1 says, "Yeah. To
have a board meeting, we need a simple majority of board members." kokhmmm
says, "Motion:the MOON Society establishes a student/senior rate of $20
/year to include MMM elecdtonic submission." Greg-1 says, "
http://www.moonsociety.org/organizing-documents/bylaws.html, X.A." dcarson
says, "second"
Greg-1 says, "Discussion: Does anyone know of any objections that the
missing board members might have to this?" john-r says, "Scotty is here
also, or back in a few" Greg-1 says, "Scotty is a non-voting ex-oficio
member of the board." john-r says, "Amy and Arthur i feel are ok, i
think.." kokhmmm says, "Scotty is on tghe board ex officio, but as a
non-voting member" Greg-1 says, "What Peter said."
john-r says, "Randell was ok, as long as scotty came up with the numbers"
MikeD says, "I'm not aware of any objections. I think Arthur was actually
in favor. Not sure if Randall said anything" kokhmmm says, "Scotty came up
with the rate, which implies approval." Greg-1 says, "Yes."
Greg-1 says, "The board can waive notice, it says here." kokhmmm says,
"Randall advised me to bring the matter up in the first place when I asked
him about it a month ago" Greg-1 says, "Otherwise, it takes 40 to 60 days
notice to have an official board meeting." irs says, "Since we already
started discussing this, I've been thinking about it, and I think it's a
good idea to try, as long as we monitor the results of it." john-r says,
"what ian said, if i had a vote" dcarson says, "I'll waive notice"
Michael says, "give it a try... we can always change it latter...." Greg-1
says, "Yes, my understanding is that Randall is in favor of this." john-r
says, "so vote already :)"
Greg-1 says, "OKOKOKO..."
Greg-1 says, "I waive notice of the BoD meeting." Michael says, "I move to
do whatever it is that we've been talking about" kokhmmm says, "I waive
notice"
Greg-1 says, "Waive notice, Michael?"
Michael says, "yea, I wave notice"
Greg-1 says, "OK, I'll put on my president's hat and call the meeting to
order, noting that it has already been moved and seconded that the Moon
Society adopt a special annual membership rate of $20 per year for
full-time students and senior citizens." Greg-1 says, "Is there any
discussion on the motion?" Greg-1 says, "I have one: Defitin of "senior"."
Greg-1 says, "65 or older?"
Greg-1 says, "Will you accept that as a friendly amendment, Peter?" dcarson
says, "that seems to be the norm" MikeD says, "That seems to be the usual
definition of senior" kokhmmm says, "guess so, as I am 65 and a half"
Scottyg-2 says, "As an expression of opinion, not a vote, I'm in favor."
Greg-1 says, "Thanks, Scotyt."
john-r says, "resturants say 55 or so, as a discussion item, OR let it go
unsaid, and ck birthdays and see what the average age is" Greg-1 says,
"Scotty, too."
MikeD says, "Nice try John"
john-r says, "hey i am <55"
irs says, "I waive notice, too. And I think 65 is good." Greg-1 says, "If
Peter will accept "65 or older" as a friendly amendment, we can proceed."
kokhmmm says, "Just said I did, cause I am "or older"" Scottyg-2 says, "I
think he accepted that greg." Greg-1 says, "OK, thanks, Peter. I must have
overlooked it." Greg-1 says, "Any further discussion on the motion?"
Scottyg-2 [to be]: a little mor explicit... Scottyg-2 says, "Age as of
renewal or membership date?" Greg-1 says, "on the date of renewal"?" MikeD
says, "As of renewal I would think" Scottyg-2 says, "Renewal or initial
joining." kokhmmm says, "As of renewal or original membership" Greg-1 says,
"OK, the motion is amended with the words "as of the date of renewal or
original membership"" Greg-1 says, "Any further discussion?"
irs says, "I'm good."
kokhmmm says, "Any upper age to student?NSS has 22" irs says, "But I can't
stay up too much later." irs says, "Why not just "full-time student"?"
john-r says, "what Ian said, on time of night" kokhmmm says, "Ok"
Scottyg-2 says, "Er..."
MikeD says, "Most college students in this country are about 23 before the
graduate" Scottyg-2 says, "We need to be a little more careful about
student status." john-r says, "we need a full rewrite on motion...sombody
or anybody :)" kokhmmm says, "Okay, 25 then"
Greg-1 says, "Peter, would you restate the motion?" Scottyg-2 says, "For
example, a student home for the summer." MikeD says, "It does need to be
full time" MikeD says, "I know someone who went to college when he was 45"
Greg-1 says, "How about 'enrolled as a full-time student in high school or
an institute of higher education'? That would cover summer vacation." irs
says, "I move we set the membership dues rate for full-time students and
people aged 65 and over at $20 per year. Such membership shall include
electronic newsletter as the only option." kokhmmm says, "Motion: the MOON
Society establishes a student/senior rate of $20 /year to include MMM
elecdtonic submission. Students must be full time. A person age 65 or older
is taken as senior." Scottyg-2 says, "I think Ian's motion takes
precedence." MikeD says, "Should we include a clause regarding proof of
status?" john-r says, "not for now MikeD"
kokhmmm says, "Rewrite: Motion: the MOON Society establishes a
student/senior rate of $20 /year to include MMM electronic submission.
Students must be enrolled full time in a highs school or institution of
higher learning. A person age 65 or older is taken as senior." MikeD says,
"We don't have to ask for it, but at least we could ask for it without
having another meeting" irs says, "What's wrong with elementary or middle
school students?" john-r says, "tooo young?"
Scottyg-2 says, "Verification of status shall be at the discretion of the
Membership Chairman." MikeD says, "No Credit Cards"
kokhmmm says, "Younger students are probably fronts for parents" Greg-1
says, "That's good, Scotty."
irs says, "I sure wasn't."
john-r says, "we have no youth orinated capability" irs says, "We have no
young members to bother with the capability. Gotta have the need first."
john-r says, "true"
MikeD says, "But would we be in a position to service younger kids needs"
john-r says, "side note OPMS is in process in my mind when the need comes
up" Scottyg-2 says, "I would substitute enrolled as a full time student in
an addcredited educational institution." MikeD says, "They're full of
questions" irs says, "I don't see any trouble accepting any young person as
a student member, and I find it exceedingly rare that parents would use
their children to save the $15 a year." Scottyg-2 says, "accredited even."
MikeD says, "One can always offer a family rate at some time" kokhmmm says,
"Scotty, are we going to have to print all the "fine print"on our flyers?"
MikeD says, "Can our printers print that small?" Scottyg-2 says, "No, that
sort of stuff can be published on the web." kokhmmm says, "I'm okay with
that, Scotty" Greg-1 says, "Yeah, I like Scotty's wording." kokhmmm says,
"We seem agreed on the idea. We can fine tune the fine print for the web
later. SAo let's vote aye or nay." john-r says, "so can Scotty give a full
rewrit of motion" irs says, "So home-schooled kids don't count? Aw, never
mind." kokhmmm says, "Rewrite: Motion: the MOON Society establishes a
student/senior rate of $20 /year to include MMM electronic submission.
Students must be enrolled full time in a highs school or accredited
institution of higher learning. A person age 65 or older is taken as
senior." MikeD says, "Unless you make it 'under 16 or attending an
accredited educational institute'" john-r says, "the parents of
home-scoo;ed may write in why not, and we can see when and if they do write
in..maybe" Scottyg-2 says, "I propose: Motion: The Moon Society hereby
establishes student and senior class memberships with an annual dues of
$20.00. Senior status requires the attainment of age 65 or above on or
before the date of original membership or renewal. Student membership
requires full-time enrollment in an accredited educational institution.
Verification of member status shall be at the discretion of the Membership
chairman." dcarson says, "I'll second that"
kokhmmm says, "Third"
Greg-1 says, "Yeah."
Scottyg-2 says, "No, you have to make the motion. I can;t make a motion."
john-r says, "since 4th is no count, i fourth it" kokhmmm says, "I repeat
Scotty's moltion" irs says, "Left out the electronic newsletter only
option." irs says, "I like my proposed motion, but then, that's me."
Scottyg-2 says, "Darn. just a sec."
kokhmmm says, "I propose: Motion: The Moon Society hereby establishes
student and senior class memberships with an annual dues of $20.00 which
shall include electonic edition of MMM. Senior status requires the
attainment of age 65 or above on or before the date of original membership
or renewal. Student membership requires full-time enrollment in an
accredited educational institution. Verification of member status shall be
at the discretion of the Membership chairman." MikeD says, "Technically a
home-scooled kid is attending an accredited institution" Greg-1 says, "What
Mike said. My son is home-schooled, and it takes a lot to get the
accreditation to do it." Scottyg-2 says, "I propose: Motion: The Moon
Society hereby establishes student and senior class memberships with an
annual dues of $20.00. These classes are available only with electronic
newsletter subscription. Senior status requires the attainment of age 65 or
above on or before the date of original membership or renewal. Student
membership requires full-time enrollment in an accredited educational
institution. Verification of member status shall be at the discretion of
the Membership chairman." irs says, "Didn't know that, Greg and Mike. OK."
kokhmmm says, "So that a board member makews the motion, I echo: I propose:
Motion: The Moon Society hereby establishes student and senior class
memberships with an annual dues of $20.00. Senior status requires the
attainment of age 65 or above on or before the date of original membership
or renewal. Student membership requires full-time enrollment in an
accredited educational institution. Verification of member status shall be
at the discretion of the Membership chairman." MikeD says, "Greg, do
parents who home-school their kids have all sorts of paperwork showing that
they have special permission to do so?" Greg-1 says, "OK, Dana, will you
reaffirm your second of Peter's amended motion?" dcarson says, "second"
Greg-1 says, "Thanks, Dana."
Greg-1 says, "Mike, it depends on the state. Nevada and New York are more
strict than Texas." kokhmmm says, "Vote aye"
dcarson says, "aye"
Greg-1 says, "aye"
irs says, "Sure, it's fine, if a bit wordy. Aye." kokhmmm says, "Michael?
David?"
MikeD says, "I know that it's really hard to get permission for home
schooling over here" Greg-1 says, "Michael, I think you're the only voting
board member we haven't heard from." MikeD pokes at Michael.
MikeD says, "It's only 11:15 there, he couldn't be asleep yet" Greg-1 says,
"Well... with four board members voting in favor of the motion and one
apparently happily snoozing, the chairman pro-tem declares that the motion
passes. <gavel>" MikeD says, "He already said he was your Yes man anyway"
Greg-1 says, "Is there any further business to come before the board
tonight?" Greg-1 says, "LOL"
john-r says, "aaaaaaa. what about the MMM pdf??" Greg-1 says, "Is that a
thing for the board, John?" john-r says, "yup"
john-r says, "the rate is for MMM pdf only" john-r says, "i thought"
MikeD says, "It wasn't included in the wording" irs says, "I was reading
Scotty's wording, which had that in." Greg-1 says, "It says here: These
classes are available only with electronic newsletter subscription. "
Greg-1 says, "So we got it."
john-r says, "ok"
Greg-1 reads the meeting agenda
MikeD reads the meeting agenda
kokhmmm says, "Motion the board adjourn" irs says, "Ian levers his eye-lids
open." Greg-1 says, "I don't see any more board business, so without
objection, I'll declare the board meeting adjourned." john-r says, "just in
time for the sleep bell :)" Greg-1 says, "Yeah, it's getting pretty late."
john-r says, "Nite all"
Greg-1 says, "G'night, John."
john-r says, "Some one needs to turn off the recorder" dcarson reads the
meeting agenda
kokhmmm says, "Thanks everyone! "
MikeD says, "That last item actually fits nicely into 2 sections" Greg-1
says, "Seeing no object, <gavel> the board meeting is adjourned." Greg-1
says, "objection, too"
MikeD has no objection but also has no vote john-r has disconnected.
MikeD says, "I think these meetings should be held earlier" Greg-1 says,
"Trouble is, they're timed to allow folks to get home from work on the west
coast." Scottyg-2 says, "Trouble is, any earlier is too early for Pacific
time zone." Scottyg-2 says, "GMTA"
MikeD says, "There's only one person here on Pacific time" Michael votes
yes!
MikeD says, "LOL"
Greg-1 says, "Me?"
Michael looses!
Greg-1 says, "Thank you, Michael?"
MikeD says, "Yup You Greg"
irs says, "Tim's west coast, when he's around, or is he permanently not
around now?" Michael says, "sorry...was walking the dog and getting a
drink" MikeD says, "Tim's not really all that active these days" irs says,
"Yeah, OK."
Scottyg-2 says, "But we have others that participate from time-to-time."
MikeD says, "And he's not in the Leadership council anymore" MikeD says,
"Like um... Chip, and Me when I'm in CA" kokhmmm says, "Time for bed or
whatever. Good night all." Scottyg-2 says, "Yep, yep."
kokhmmm has disconnected.
Scottyg-2 says, "Good night Peter!"
MikeD says, "4:23am and alls well"
MikeD says, "I wouldn't go changing the meeting times yet. Let's see what
time zone I settle in for longer than 6 months at a time" The housekeeper
arrives to cart john-r off to bed. MikeD says, "But it sure looks like the
California economy is shot" Scottyg-2 says, "Time for me to go. See ya'll
in a couple of weeks." irs says, "Unless I'm needed further tonight, bed is
calling." MikeD says, "I've been in bed for the last 2 hours" irs says,
"I'll take that as a no, since it's late. Good night, guys." irs has
disconnected.
Scottyg-2 has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to remove Scottyg-2. MikeD leaves.
DaveW leaves.
The housekeeper arrives to cart kokhmmm off to bed. The housekeeper arrives
to cart irs off to bed. Michael goes home.
Greg-1 has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to remove Greg-1. Severy has arrived.

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