-- Start log: Wednesday, September 3, 2003 9:03:32 pm ASI Meeting Server time --

Severy switches places with Severy-4
Severy-4 says, "Worked for me"
Greg says, "Was that a dance, Randall?" MikeD says, "Maybe there were a
couple of us trying to access it at once" Severy-4 says, "Yup, my normal
swap dance" john-r says, "It has not worked for Amy in months, something
needs fixed" MikeD says, "That was a quick change"
Severy-4 says, "Who tried to start the recorder and couldn't?" saavik just
got a phone call IRL, but she will be right back. Severy-4 says, "I fixed
the problems Amy had with the recorder before" john-r says, "Amy had the
problem tonight" Greg says, "Maybe if we rename it to 'tricorder'..."
Severy-4 says, "Recorder tapes are created by the person starting the
recorder, that's why you need programmer permissions, my guess is that the
*person* starting the recorder was full, not the recorder itself" MikeD
says, "I tried after Amy mentioned it but aborted as I wasn't sure what
filename to use" Greg says, "Yeah. Check Amy's quota."
Severy-4 says, "Yup, Amy is *way* over quota" MikeD says, "Ahh"
Severy-4 says, "Ok, she now has a lot more room to grow :-)" MikeD says, "I
have 16 object which are not included, how do I include them again?" john-r
says, "Hi Scotty"
Greg says, "Where da heck is da 'quota' property?" john-r says, "i da place
dat is lost?"
Greg says, "OIC"
MikeD says, "Greg should avoid mention of quotas in da moo" Greg says,
"Hmm... it's 6:07. Should we get rolling?" Greg says, "Or are we waiting
for the recorder?" john-r says, "we are rolling, 1 issue corrected and 99
zillion to go" saavik says, "back"
MikeD says, "I think we're good to go"
john-r says, "Arthur must be with children" saavik says, "is the recorder
on now?"
john-r says, "and Michael?"
MikeD says, "He said as much"
Greg says, "Randall is the chairman. Are you going to be chairing tonight,
Randall?" Severy-4 says, "Yup, just finishing something up, I'm ready now"
Greg says, "Great!"
Severy-4 says, "Quota is not a property, it's a separate subsystem in the
MOO" john-r says, "Amy- The Recorder is on, and Randall updated your quota
for future meetings" Severy-4 says, "Anyway, Michael will not be here due
to a pregnancy somewhere :-)" Greg says, "Aha! That resplains why I
couldn't find it, even if I'm not supposed to mention it." saavik says,
"michael is having a kid?" Severy-4 says, "And Dana called and said he
couldn't make it due to a malfunctioning computer monitor and phone line"
saavik says, "I need a new hard drive - does that count?" kokhmmm says,
"And Ian is busy on next issue of Artemis Magazine" Greg says, "Oh my."
Severy-4 says, "So on that note, let's get this show on the road" MikeD
says, "There's a lot of that malfunctioning phone line syndrome around this
week" Greg says, "Roger that."
Severy-4 says, "The agenda *has* been updated, amazingly enough, so let's
start right at the top" saavik says, "oh crapola - the remaining ide
devices are going" saavik says, "this is bad"
john-r says, "can i vote to start in the Middle :)" saavik reads the
meeting agenda
Greg says, "Amy, yeah, I've been going for a long time." Severy-4 says,
"There have been a number of nasty thunderstorms rolling through the D.C.
area, which may have been what took out some of Dana's hardware, and there
is another one parked over me right now, so I may disappear at any moment"
Greg says, "Ack!"
saavik says, "yeah, we have been getting them tonight too" Greg says, "(Are
we looking for an Elections update from Peter?)" DaveW says, "read ageda"
kokhmmm says, "Elections: I have received 11 email ballots to date, 3 of
them from Leaders. John figures 33 current members were not reached by
email, but if they get either the pdf file or MMM hardcopy, they have the
ballot." DaveW reads the meeting agenda
saavik says, "oh my - pathetic count"
saavik says, "I need to vote :-)"
MikeD says, "I haven't even looked at the ballot yet" Severy-4 says,
"Michael said earlier this evening: "looks like I'm going to miss tonight's
meeting.... a friend went into labor a few hours ago and we're going to go
visit...."" kokhmmm says, "So I do not see need to do a mailing. There
seems little interest in election. Could send email again." MikeD says, "I
see no harm in resending the email" Severy-4 says, "I agree with no need
for mailing, but another e-mail may be helpful" MikeD says, "Just put
second or final notice in the body and it would be ok" Greg says, "Mabye
add a mention of a due date?" saavik says, "I emailed several times to get
ballots last year peter" MikeD says, "There's a thought"
saavik says, "each mailing rbought in about 10-15 votes" kokhmmm says,
"I'll take care of it (resending email, "final notice", this time with
typos corrected) I did mention the due date the first time around. October
1" Scottyg-1 says, "We did paper ballots once. It was considerable trouble
and some expense. I think the return percentage was higher than we're
getting on this one." Greg says, "In fact, perhaps in the message subject:
"Moon Society ballots due on September 30, 2003" or somesuch." john-r says,
"of the 33 with no email at work or home, 12 have the electronic mmm
version, so i am curious how that works, unkess as admin i can not see the
e-mails addresses" Severy-4 says, "You should see everything, John" Greg
says, "They might not have wanted to give an email address, to stop spam."
MikeD says, "That would be an awfully long subject header Greg" john-r
says, "I thought so Randall, just cking" kokhmmm says, "They could have
changed email addresses and not notified us. So still get pdf but we can't
contact them." Greg says, "OKOKOK... "Moon Soc ballot due 9/30/03" :)"
kokhmmm says, "Okay, "Moon Soc ballot due 9/30/03" in subject line." john-r
says, "and to the current members - right" kokhmmm says, "Part of the
problem may be that it is an off year (no contest for El Presidente)"
kokhmmm says, "Yes, current members. That's what I clicked last time, btw"
saavik says, "I sent to all one of the times (but by accident)" MikeD says,
"Only current members have voting rights anyway" Greg says, "Yeah."
john-r says, "any Chance the team dir sort is off or needs adjusted?"
Severy-4 says, "Needs adjusted in what way, John?" john-r says, "i do not
know, maybe its not cking the status correct, given thant Peter clicked
current, and 4 of the 20 something bounces was to expired members" john-r
says, "like a bug in the report or e-mail programs" Severy-4 says, "Member
status is not changed to expired until two months after they have actually
expired" MikeD says, "There's a small amount of leeway John" Severy-4 says,
"It's called a grace period" MikeD says, "ty"
john-r says, "which bth when i clicked current at the top of reports and
clicked cvs down load i got all 1200+ members" Greg says, "Let's do be
graceful, after all. :)" Severy-4 says, "Ok, anything else on elections?"
john-r says, "not for 1999 expired as in the 4 i cked" Greg says, "When IS
the deadline for ballots?" Severy-4 says, "The spreadsheet download does
not have a current or all option" john-r says, "ahh"
Arthur arrives.
john-r says, "Hi Arthur"
Greg says, "But you can sort the spreadsheet." Arthur says, "Hi John"
Arthur says, "and all"
john-r says, "i did sort the spread sheet" john-r says, "i was cking to be
sure what i was suppose to get, its the 2nd time i tried it :)" kokhmmm
says, "Deadline for ballots is end of month (I said October 1)" Severy-4
says, "The All Members vs. Current Members selection is for the first
report only, that's why it's only to the right of the first report :-)"
Greg says, "October 1 it is, then."
Arthur reads the meeting agenda
john-r says, "ahhh i will hafe to re readt, sorry" Severy-4 says, "The
choices for spreadsheet download are comma delimited or tab delimited only"
john-r says, "anyway thats all i have -on elections, except that the online
voteing may happen next year" john-r says, "maybe"
MikeD says, "It's the online counting I'm worried about" Severy-4 says,
"Ok, moving on to Membership Services" Greg says, "Yeah. Once we get past
this one, we can work on an on-line voting system." Arthur says, "are
renewal reminders going out?" Severy-4 says, "I got a brutal reminder
earlier this week that I hadn't gotten around to configuring the e-mail
renewal reminders when I was yanked from all of the teams" Arthur says, "i
notice that :)"
Scottyg-1 says, "Due to traveling around the world since last meeting, I
haven't done anything on membership." Severy-4 says, "It turns out my
membership expired back in July, but I hadn't noticed, and didn't get any
reminders, e-mail or paper" MikeD chuckles.
Severy-4 says, "I had only myself to blame for the e-mail reminders, but it
seems that paper reminders are not going out either :-(" Arthur says, "i'm
typing 1-handed here for a bit - baby troubles" Severy-4 says, "I take it
that James is still in a vegetative state?" john-r says, "ahhh thats why
the team dir reports on my teams- i thats what i have been wanting to ask
you the past couple of days--then you need to rejoin the lunar dir one
also" MikeD says, "How is James supposed to get the info for the notices"
Severy-4 says, "Anyway, e-mail renewal reminders are now configured, and
will start going out tonight" Arthur says, "great!"
MikeD says, "James has been offline since Saturday with phone problems btw"
Scottyg-1 says, "I haven't crossed paths with James." MikeD says, "I'm
beginning to think James wasn't such a good choice after alll" Severy-4
says, "The Lunar Directory team is inactive, I can't join it" MikeD says,
"Ahh, let me fix that Randall" john-r says, "can i re jon you then? or
MikeD" MikeD says, "I think I have to do it"
john-r says, "join"
john-r says, "will get kracking man, ya be burning daylight" Severy-4 says,
"If anyone has any suggestions for an alternative to James, I'm all ears"
Severy-4 says, "But we had trouble coming up with any before" MikeD says,
"No friggin' daylight over here!" john-r says, "LOL at MikeD"
Scottyg-1 says, "Uggg. James hasn't entered any renewals since July 13."
Severy-4 says, "Jennifer wasn't sending out reminders either, so
technically James isn't any worse than we were before :-(" Arthur says,
"putting out a request for applications among members?" john-r says, "i
would offer to take the job for me or my wife, but running for directory
might be a tad on the unwise side" Arthur says, "unwise?"
Arthur says, "I think that would be fine" john-r says, "conflict of interst
?? maybe" Arthur says, "Well, you'd just recuse yourself from the relevant
discussions, if necessary. I don't think it's a problem." Arthur says, "But
we might want to see if others are more enthusiastic about doing that
work." MikeD says, "On the Lunar Directory team, which address and which
list Randall?" Severy-4 says, "Home/regular"
MikeD says, "I'd do it if I was stateside" Arthur says, "Scotty and Randall
- did we have a written description of the job? How many hours expected,
availability, amount of data entry?" Severy-4 says, "There is a formal
contract, Arthur" Arthur says, "Right... "
MikeD says, "Randall, the reason that team was inactive: It's so people
don't go joining it thinking it's something other than it is" Severy-4
says, "Make it a private team" Scottyg-1 says, "James didn't seem to think
the amount of work was anything unexpected." MikeD says, "If I make it
private then people with admin permissions ry to join and I have to warn
them about the fact that it's wide open to spam" Arthur says, "I don't
think I ever saw the contract though. How specific is it? How much notice
do we have to give him if he's not fulfilling it?" Scottyg-1 says, "The
problem is he had one of his "spells"." MikeD says, "There's no
restrict_post on that list" Severy-4 says, "If needed, make it active, add
me, and then make it inactive again :-)" Scottyg-1 says, "Arthur, 30 days
is what is specified." MikeD says, "That's done already"
Severy-4 says, "Ok"
Arthur says, "Has James been paid yet?" Severy-4 says, "I'm a little leery
of doing a public advertisement for membership processor, we need someone
we can trust, given the sensitivity of the data involved" Arthur says,
"good point"
Scottyg-1 says, "Arthur, no he hasn't sent any invoices." Scottyg-1 says,
"For that matter, he hasn't actually returned a signed copy of the contract
either." Severy-4 says, "Alert: The National Weather Service In Sterling
Virginia Has Issued A Flash Flood Warning For Frederick County In North
Central Maryland" Severy-4 says, "Oh, wonderful :-("
Scottyg-1 says, "Got a tree Randall?"
kokhmmm says, "Why not prompt him to send an invoice for work completed,
and ask if he wishes to continue or would prefer to be replaced if we find
someone else." john-r says, "Spencer In is flooding at the moment, i saw it
in action" MikeD says, "We don't get floods in Ireland, just "Weather""
Severy-4 says, "At 933 PM EDT...Radar Indicated Thunderstorms With Very
Heavy Rain Over Much Of Frederick County...Moving Slowly Northeast. Radar
Indicates That 2 To 3 Inches Of Rain Has Already Fallen Over The Warned
Area. Another 1 To 2 Inches Will Be Possible Through 1230 AM EDT. " Greg
says, "We're under a flash flood watch here, too. It's been going on for a
long time." Arthur says, "Peter, exactly -0 I was trying to think what to
say, but that's good." Severy-4 says, "This is a warning, not a watch :-("
Severy-4 says, "Good approach, Peter"
Severy-4 says, "Arthur, can you handle that?" MikeD says, "So who do we get
to replace him?" Arthur says, "Sure, I'll send him a note, copy Scotty (I
would like to see a copy of his contract though)" Severy-4 says, "That's
the big problem, Mike" MikeD says, "Arthur, you might want to wait until
you know he's back online" Arthur says, "Well, I'll send a note now, and
ask him about it next time I see him online, I guess." kokhmmm says, "Could
snail mail him. Better anyway." Arthur says, "Mike, when's the last time
you saw him?" MikeD says, "Saturday, but I got an email from him about
being offline due to phone problems" Severy-4 says, "Strangelv last
connected Fri Aug 29 21:03:39 2003 EDT." Arthur says, "or anybody, logged
in"
Greg says, "His last disconnect ws on Saturday August 30" Arthur says, "Oh,
right"
MikeD says, "It said: Having telephone line troubles since 0100ish on
Saturday and not sure when I'll be back online." MikeD says, "maybe he
forgot to pay the bill" john-r says, "Hi Michael"
Michael arrives.
Michael reads the meeting agenda
john-r says, "Hi Michael"
Scottyg-1 says, "Arthur, see
http://www.moonsociety.org/private/board/contracts/membership-processing-contract_2.html"
Severy-4 says, "Hi, Michael!"
Michael says, "sorry I'm late...."
Greg says, "Evening, Michael!"
kokhmmm says, "Hi, Michael"
Michael reads the meeting agenda
Greg says, "Pssst... Michael... we're on membership processing." Michael
says, "wow... 45 minuts on just elections and membership?" Arthur says,
"Thanks scotty"
Severy-4 says, "Use 'play current on recorder' to find out what we've been
talking about" MikeD says, "Mostly just membership Michael" john-r says,
"is the India Man on the membership consideration a part of this agenda
item?" Michael says, "damnit.... bbiab..."
Severy-4 says, "I suppose this is as good a place in the agenda for that as
any, John" MikeD says, "He night be, if he pays a subscription! :-)" MikeD
will be right back.
john-r says, "hes a senor , maybe, so its the 20 something fee that *might*
be forgiven for a year, and to note, we have a youth group from india in
process of joing the lun directory AND we have in helpdir a man from india
needing info snail maied to him AND India is on a moon march" saavik says,
"we need to do *something*" Greg says, "Yup."
saavik says, "ignoring their email is not it" kokhmmm says, "I haven't been
ignoring their emails, but telling them that our response is "under
consideration." " john-r says, "if i had a vote i would say 1 let him know
the board is considering this new type of member and make a decision in 30
ddays and discuss it AND in the bylaws we have some form pf special
memberships for cience peole we may need to consider" Greg says, "We could
enact a policy about the member-get-a-member program and then advance his
membership pending fulfillment of whatever's required." Greg says, "But can
we reasonably expect him to get X paying memberships?" MikeD says,
"Possibly"
saavik says, "isn't that a pyramid??"
MikeD says, "Does he work in a college or similar?" kokhmmm says, "Depends
on the circles he is in, also on his personality." Greg says, "Good point,
John. We should at least reply that the board is working out the best way
to set it up, but that we think it's a good idea." Greg says, "Peter, yup."
john-r says, "ARTICLE VIII - BOARD OF ADVISORS AND OTHER BODIES at
http://www.moonsociety.org/organizing-documents/bylaws-rev1.html" john-r
says, "the caps are a copy not yelling " Greg says, "Amy, I don't think it
would be a pyramid. Lots of organizations offer incentives for members to
recruit members." saavik says, "just want to make sure Greg :-)" saavik
says, "I have an innate dislike for pyramid schemes :-)" Greg says,
"Although... if we get deeply into advancing memberships like that, it does
sound like it would be setting up a pyramid." Greg says, "Hmmm..."
Arthur says, "John, what are you suggesting with the Board of Advisors?
Honorary memberships?" john-r says, "its a point to consider, since as far
as i know, we have not yet put those bylaws in action" Arthur says, "It's
called network marketing - not that I approve of that in general" kokhmmm
says, "Naming him an Advisor, with honorary membership may be a way out,
plus make an impression elsewhere in India" Arthur says, "He sent a resume,
right?" john-r says, "and make us more international - IF his crenditials
ck out - first" Greg says, "Right. We need to check out his credentials and
make sure it's not just someone yanking our chain." john-r says, "yup"
Greg says, "Who can do that?"
DaveW has disconnected.
john-r says, "One thing as a side note, i once built a house for an India
man and wife in 1972 something, i maybe could see if he is still a prof at
univ illinois, if that may be of value" Greg says, "John, it could be
someone who knows him, for sure." Greg says, "Doesn't cost much to ask. :)"
Severy-4 says, "Who can take the lead on figuring something out in this
area?" john-r says, "nad my cousins are still building for inda people in
illinos as we speak" DaveW has connected.
saavik says, "there are a *lot* of people in india folks" saavik says, "but
sure, ask :-)"
kokhmmm says, "Perhaps we could write the Indian Space Agency in Bangalore
and see if he is known to them." john-r says, "any objections to me trying
to make contact with my old client?" Greg says, "Heh. It would be an even
more terrible time than usual for me to accept any action items." saavik
says, "go for it john"
john-r says, "thats a good point Peter" Greg says, "What Amy said."
Greg says, "Do you know who to write to, Peter?" john-r says, "will do,
roger will co :)" Severy-4 says, "Ok, anything else on Membership tonight?"
kokhmmm says, "Greg, I can go on the Indian Space Agency site and see if I
can get contact info. I'll put that on my list." john-r says, "hPeter have
you replied to him ? " Greg says, "Thanks, Peter."
Severy-4 says, "If not, let's move on to Lunar Directory" Arthur says, "Um,
mailing list?"
Greg says, "Oh, right. Better at least respond that the board is working on
it." john-r says, "ok with me to move on"
Severy-4 says, "I still don't have an invitation done, I had hoped to work
on that today, but, well, you know :-(" Severy-4 says, "I hope to have some
time after Friday, this week has simply self-destructed on me" saavik says,
"is someone going to reply to him at least? john?" kokhmmm says, "Yes, I
will keep in touch with him." saavik says, "great peter"
saavik says, "thanks"
Greg says, "I'm lost. Invitation to whom for what, Randall?" john-r [to
Join]: the lunar directory
Severy-4 says, "An invitation template to use in sending out invitations to
companies and projects to be added to the Lunar Directory" Greg says,
"Gotcha."
Arthur says, "Any particular reason we're skipping the "splitting
artemis-list" item?" Scottyg-1 says, "Didn't we skip artemis-list?" kokhmmm
says, "BTW, did anyone notice that "The Lunar Republic" went out of
business on July 20 and told all theri members to join the Moon Society?"
Severy-4 says, "No particular reason, Arthur, other than that I got about 5
hours of sleep last night :-)" john-r says, "i did not see that Peter"
Severy-4 says, "Quick rewind in the agenda to artemis-list" john-r says,
"so the skip falls und the oops clause in the rules of meetings :)" john-r
says, "ok are we rewhound"
kokhmmm says, "I will send everyone the URL - (Lunar Republic) I have it on
my other computer, so can't send it now." Arthur says, "Randall, that's
more than me :-)" Greg says, "That's intersting, Peter!"
Greg says, "Are we talking about artemis-list now?" john-r says, "i think
so"
Greg says, "OK, let's put that to bed." Greg says, "I started artemis-list
nearly 10 years ago, and have promised the folks who subscribe to it
hundreds of times that we would never do what is being proposed." Greg
says, "That is, to violate their trust by subscribing them to another
mailing list against their will." saavik says, "I'm not sure I see the
purpose" DaveW says, "so the options at this point are to: do nothing with
the list or create a n additional list and announce it on the Artemis-list
and web site" Greg says, "So, is there a compelling reason to do that?"
Arthur says, "The Moon Society board has no say in membership on
artemis-list, and members in good standing of the Moon Society have been
summarily removed" Greg says, "Dave, yes. I think the Moon Society having
its own lists is a great idea." Greg says, "Do you have a complaint about
artemis-list to bring before the Leadership Council, Arthur?" DaveW says,
"I am not sure I agree that creating a new list is the best option" Arthur
says, "Therefore I don't think artemis-list can continue to de-facto
represent the Moon Society and its members" Greg says, "I thought this was
about a new list for the Moon Society." Arthur says, "I've already brought
it"
Severy-4 says, "For the record, when the Moon Society was founded we
discussed setting up a new Moon Society discussion mailing list, but felt
at the time that there was too much history involved in artemis-list to
transition to a new list" Arthur says, "And I heard nothing from the ASI
board meeting that supposedly was going to discuss it three weeks ago."
Scottyg-1 says, "How about simply redesignating the list as a moon society
list?" john-r says, "maybe not due to history and the folks on it" Severy-4
says, "I wasn't able to make that ASI meeting, so I couldn't bring up the
issue, but I do have a problem with the policy, or lack thereof, for
removing someone from artemis-list" Severy-4 says, "We used to have a
policy, but we don't seem to any more" john-r says, "i do like the idea of
a new list " Severy-4 says, "But the last ASI meeting was one week ago, not
three weeks ago" Greg says, "So, Arthur"
Arthur says, "I don't know when it was, but when I raised it 4 weeks ago at
the Moon Society Leadership meeting, I was told it was a matter for the ASI
board and would be discussed. I've heard nothing." kokhmmm says, "I think
there should be two separate lists. ASI list to discuss and advance the
Artemis Project and technical issues concerning it. MoonSoc list to discuss
growing the membership, cooperation with other groups, and other non-ASI
issues." Greg says, "So, Arthur's complaint is that he wants to have a
mailing list that will follow his procedures for subsriptions and dealing
with trolls." Greg says, "That's fine by me, Arthur. Go ahead and start a
list." john-r says, "no Greg the Moon Society rulse :)" saavik says,
"damnit, why did the disk have to die *last* night" Severy-4 says, "No,
Greg, I don't think that's the complain, as I have the same complaint as
Arthur and it's very different" Severy-4 says, "complaint, rather"
Greg says, "OK, you want to gripe at me for silencing a troll." saavik
says, "so my problem is that many people don't clearly see a difference
between artemis and moon soc" Severy-4 says, "We used to have a policy
regarding removing people from artemis-list, that seems to have
disappeared, I have a very big problem with that" Arthur says, "a list that
represents the values of the Moon Society, as represented by its board.
This board has no say (apparently) in the rules governing artemis-list."
Greg says, "My policy has always been to moderate a troll first, and then
work it out." Greg says, "If the troll turns out to be sincere, then no
harm is done." Arthur says, "Why is it "Greg's" to decide?" Greg says, "And
the troll event is averted." Severy-4 says, "Umm, sorry, Greg, but that
wasn't how we handled the first (and in my humble opinion, the only) troll
event we had on artemis-list" Severy-4 says, "And for the record, I do not
agree that the recent event was a troll event" Greg says, "Because it's my
mailing list, Arthur. I started artemis-list even before there was an
Artemis Society International." Arthur says, "Exactly the point"
Severy-4 says, "But regardless, one person should not be making that
decision arbitrarily" john-r says, "for mooon society mebers" john-r says,
"moon society members"
Greg says, "In other mailings lists, I have teams of moderators who have
specific instructions to moderate a troll first, and then deal with the
questions." kokhmmm says, "Excuse my ignorance, but what is a troll in this
context?" Severy-4 says, "artemis-list is not SimsHost, we don't have to
have the same policies" Greg says, "So I have many people who make that
decision arbitrarily." Severy-4 says, "For which lists, Greg?" Greg says,
"It's the only way to avoid having to surrender your mailing list to a
troll." Severy-4 says, "We had one troll event on artemis-list way back
when, by the name of Tom Radloff, that situation was handled *very*
differently than this last incident" Greg says, "If you wait weeks and
weeks for the board to act, then the troll has already done his damage."
Greg says, "However, if you silence the troll first, and discover that the
action was unnecessary, you can always reinstate him." Arthur says, "I'm
not sure we're getting anywhere with Greg right now. What does the board
think of starting a new list, using the existing moon society membership
roles, and announcing it to artemis-list for others?" Severy-4 says, "I
disagree, but then I guess I don't have a say in that policy, do I?" Greg
says, "Tom Radloff was a case of rescinding his membership." Greg says, "It
wasn't about artemis-list." Severy-4 says, "It was an issue about
artemis-list, I remember it clearly" Greg says, "I'm willing to listen,
Randall." Severy-4 says, "Until last month, Tom was the only person ever
formally evicted from artemis-list and not allowed back on, we had a lot of
debate and discussion about that" Greg says, "But we did rescind Radloff's
membership." Greg says, "It's the only time we've had to do that." Severy-4
says, "This time around, I *still* have yet to hear anything official about
someone being removed from artemis-list, it just happened with no
discussion, either before or after" saavik says, "the sims guy got
removed?????" Severy-4 says, "I'm not talking about rescinding Radloff's
membership, I'm talking about how we removed him from artemis-list" Greg
says, "Amy, yup."
Greg says, "After the third troll post, I removed him from the list."
john-r says, "Arthur- you mean just ass the current members to the new
list?" john-r says, "add"
john-r says, "what a oops "
john-r says, "sorry"
Arthur says, "David Ferrell Jackson - he used to live near me here on Long
Island and we had correspondend long before. He's been a moon society
member for 2-3 years, but hadn't done much with artemis-list - I think I
suggested it to him when he renewed recently. And he went looking around
asi.org" Severy-4 says, "Greg, did you hear anything I said in our first
discussion about that incident?" Greg says, "Radloff is a good example,
however. He would have done a lot less damage if we had followed a policy
of fixing the immediate problem before going on in lengthy debates about
it." Greg says, "Jackson had never subscribed to artemis-list before."
Severy-4 says, "I'm too tired to argue this whole issue all over again, and
I haven't had anything to eat yet tonight, so before I say something I'm
going to bitterly regret, I think I'm going to bid everyone a good night
and let someone else take over the meeting" kokhmmm says, "David Ferrell
Jackson is the guy from the Lunar Republic who just told his members to
join us." Severy-4 has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to remove Severy-4. Greg says, "He subscribed, and
his first, second, and third posts were these incredibly lurid and
misleading descriptions of the content of one of the sites hosted on Moon
Sims." DaveW says, "is there a way to moderate an individuals posts without
removing them altogether?" Greg says, "In the ensuing private discussion,
Arthur agreed with him and upped the ante by accusing me of promoting
pedophilia." MikeD says, "Yes Dave, but nobody wants to deal with being
list moderator" Greg says, "Arthur, I know this guy is your friend, but
that was a classic troll event." saavik says, "Argh - so who is taking over
for randall?" Greg says, "Rats. I guess I'm stuck with it." john-r says,
"From experence Greg? our list management experience i mean" Arthur says,
"If I may repeat, he is not a personal friend, he is an acquaintance by
email, just as all of you are. I would vouch for any of your characters as
well as I vouch for his. He's NOT a troll, however." john-r says, "Amy-
Greg or Scotty or Dave or you?" Greg says, "John, at least from my
experience managing mailing lists for the past 10 years." Arthur says, "You
know what, I really am very frustrated over this incident, and Greg's
stubbornness on this and a number of other areas (our spat with
TransOrbital I believe was very damaging)" Greg says, "I'm the Moon
Society's president until Arthur fulfills his threat of having me removed,
so I'm stuck with the gavel." Arthur says, "I have a very full life, 3 kids
to keep happy, a very busy job, lots of other opportunities." john-r says,
"what spat with TO, for historey update please" Greg says, "Which probably
means I should invoke cloture on this discussion." Arthur says, "I've given
2 years of work to this organization, and several hundred dollars" saavik
says, "someone should"
Greg says, "Yeah. I'm sorry, Amy."
saavik throws the gavel down LOUDLY
Greg says, "So, let's get to the point: Do we want a general discussion
list for the Moon Society?" Arthur says, "goodnight guys"
john-r says, "i heard that"
Greg says, "Ouch!"
Arthur says, "Oh all right, what's that?" saavik says, "and gals arthur :-)"
john-r says, "Nite Arthur- i whis you would stay tho" Arthur says, "Ok, I'm
not gone yetg"
john-r says, "whew"
saavik reads the meeting agenda
saavik says, "how urgent is the new list? maybe it should wait one meeting
to allow people to cool down for a bit" Arthur says, "Do we need a further
discussion of the question, or has Greg closed the discussion?" john-r
says, "i agree"
kokhmmm says, "The hard road ahead is too important to let differences
divide us. Let's find some way to get past this issue and learn from it."
Greg says, "Back to the agenda... do we want to discuss Moon Society
mailing lists?" saavik says, "actually, I think I closed it - at least
temporarily" Greg says, "Good point, Amy."
MikeD says, "They wont cool down any more than they have already" john-r
says, "Adding a new list yes"
saavik says, "how about a straw vote?"
kokhmmm says, "I still think that since ASI and MoonSoc have different
focus, two lists make sense." saavik says, "if you want it to be silent,
whisper to me" saavik says, "I'll report a tally and no names" saavik says,
"(there ought to be a moo mechanism for that but this works)" john-r says,
"anyone want a silent vote?" Greg says, "Good idea, Amy."
kokhmmm says, "I vote for a new list, plus keep Artemis-list" DaveW says,
"I am certainly willing to discuss the options...not convinced of the
need/usefullness of a new list" saavik says, "I think the existence of
artemis-list isn't in question - the vote (straw, remember) is to make a
moon soc list" john-r says, "good point"
saavik says, "any other opinions coming in?" Greg says, "(Is everybody
whispering votes to Amy? This is just a straw poll.)" Scottyg-1 says, "I
also vote for a new list plus keep artemis-list, PROVIDED, we announce the
new list and invite members to join it, but not automatically subscribe
anyone." kokhmmm says, "What Scotty says"
saavik says, "ok, so I see 5 for"
saavik says, "and 0 against :-)"
MikeD says, "Is this to be a general list or a members only list?" saavik
says, "so now we get to details!" saavik says, "we agree to the idea of a
new list in principle and details shoudl be hammered out" kokhmmm says,
"Members only, I say"
john-r says, "i am not against Greg having control of the artemis list, now
that i understand some of the history, but the moon soc needs a list even
if no one chats, the expense in time is for MikeD to set up and for randall
to update the team pages, tho i do not know if it means hors or days"
saavik says, "the secretary proposes that someone (arthur) make a concrete
proposal of list mechanics and send it to the leaders list" saavik says,
"then we can discuss it next time. us arguing over maybes won't work" MikeD
says, "I would be more inclined to make the moon society list general and
make artemis-list members only. But that's just my opinion." Arthur says,
"I can modify the proposal I already sent. Any comments other than not
starting by "splitting" artemis-list?" saavik says, "arthur, that ok? maybe
do it with two people? I'm willing to help if you want" john-r says, "Athur
has sent some base rules to the leaders list- for the recorder i say this"
MikeD says, "John, a general list only takes a few minutes to setup" john-r
says, "Ty Mike"
Arthur says, "And we do need more details on mechanics." kokhmmm says, "I
think we minimize problems by limiting it to membership only" Arthur says,
"Any thoughts on general vs. members-only? I'd like to make it general, but
Peter's got a point..." saavik says, "nod, I'm looking at the rules now"
john-r says, "in theroy we have the team lists for private members only -
if the members would use them, so i would suggest public" DaveW says,
"general makes more sence at this point" saavik says, "it looks like we
spent all of the time arguing point 2... so let's all loo at point 4 for
the moment" saavik says, "I agree on public"
kokhmmm says, "Why should someone join us, when they can have fun and
mischief by getting on the list without dues." Michael is back....
john-r says, "Peter- so that some will want to join?" MikeD says, "The idea
Peter is to atract new members" kokhmmm says, "That's the age old excuse
for fornication, attract someone to marriage. Doesn't work." MikeD says, "I
don't think artemis-list is functioning in that regard anymore, personally,
I think artemis-list should be members only and make the new moon society
list a general one" MikeD chuckles.
saavik says, "ok, I think we should limit this discussion to 5 minutes and
then take it offline for a final proposal or email discussion" Arthur says,
"Mike - on the mechanics, can we have several people maintaining the list?
If it's based on teamdir I guess I know how that works" MikeD says, "We can
have several people maintaining the list, but only one Team Leader" MikeD
says, "There's only one team leader slot in each record unfortunately"
john-r says, "do we want MikeD to start it, and NOT announce it, and the
leaders try it out to learn the mechaincs?" john-r says, "and make a
decission in 2 wks or 4 weeks" Arthur says, "John, I think that's a good
idea. On 1 we seemed to be leaning toward "discuss@moonsociety.org" - sound
ok?" MikeD says, "You guys just tell me what you want and I'll figure it
out" john-r says, "what arthur said"
Michael says, "hehe.... Mike and the mechanics..." john-r says, "any
objections?"
Scottyg-1 says, "Something to consider on an open list - it will get hit
with loads of spam. I think it should be members-only if for no other
reason than that." john-r says, "LOL at Michaels comment"
Michael says, "member's only post, open subscription" Greg says, "Scotty, I
think "memberrs-only" means "Moon Society members only"" Arthur says,
"Right, what Michael said" MikeD says, "Scotty, all the lists have
restrict_post settings bar one" Greg says, "Of course, if it's Society
members only, then we can use Team Director to manage it." MikeD says, "But
do we want to do that?" MikeD says, "And do you want to keep artemis-list
as a general list Greg?" Greg says, "I shall defer to your experience and
wisdom on that question, Mike." Greg says, "I have no plans to change
artemis-list." MikeD says, "I really think this is going to bomb, but I'll
set it up anyway" saavik says, "ok, so we have enough to take this
offline?" Arthur says, "Go ahead Mike - and thanks!" john-r says, "i think
so"
Greg says, "Amy, yes we do."
Arthur says, "yes, I'm ok"
saavik says, "ok"
saavik says, "moving on then"
saavik reads the meeting agenda
Greg says, "Any objections to moving on to the next agenda item?" Scottyg-1
says, "I don't have a strong feeling either way on subscription.
Artemis-list used to be open, then we restricted it because there were too
many people just looking for a place to sound off." kokhmmm says, "If
artemis-list is to remain general, then I'd like to see an Artemis-Project
list for members only and limited to Project subtopics" Greg says, "Have we
done the Lunar Direcotry?" saavik says, "we started to and randall moved
back" saavik says, "now he's gone for the moment. let's pass?" Greg says,
"Yeah."
Michael reads the meeting agenda
saavik says, "that leaves us with stuff that I don't know about - flyer
anyone?" Greg says, "OK... Moon Society flyers and brochures." MikeD says,
"That would probably be an Ian topic" kokhmmm says, "Ian is unavailable.
Next topic." Greg says, "Oops. We're Ianless tonight." MikeD reads the
meeting agenda
Greg says, "Outreach efforts (including Images and Video for publicity)"
kokhmmm says, "That's Ian too. Next topic." MikeD chuckles.
saavik hmms.
Greg says, "Grant Opportunities with TransOrbital" MikeD says, "Hey,
there's a Michael topic" saavik says, "is michael here?"
john-r says, "he was"
saavik says, "idle 1 min...."
MikeD says, "is michael still here?"
MikeD pokes at Michael.
saavik reads the meeting agenda
Greg says, "Well, let's move on and catch up with Michael." Greg says,
"Team and Mailing List Infrastructure" Greg says, "'zat you, Dave?"
saavik says, "that is randall, no?"
Greg says, "Oops."
john-r says, "mIKEd"
saavik says, "oh, mike?"
john-r says, "MikeD"
MikeD says, "Not much going on, until I got the instructions a couple of
minutes ago" Greg says, "OK. Any more on that one?"
saavik says, "ok. so help desk is likely to tell us all to answer the help
mail" john-r says, "I have one item.."
saavik says, "oh?"
Greg says, "OK"
MikeD says, "I have no items in help desk" Greg says, "That sounds like
good news!" john-r says, "MikeD on the board page there is a
sectary&moonsociety, i moved a helpdir item to that mailbox" MikeD says,
"I'd prefer a little more action to be honest" john-r says, "let me find it
- brb"
Greg says, "Mabye we can rouse the rabble. :)" MikeD says, "Rabble rouser"
Greg says, "While that's cooking... anything on State of the Society
updates?" Greg says, "I don't know what that is." Arthur says, "annual
report, supposedly" MikeD says, "I think that's a thing where we tell the
members what we haven't been doing" DaveW says, "isn't that your gig Greg?"
Greg says, "Dave, it seems like it should be." kokhmmm says, "That's a
general topic, with sub headings for different persons: membership, MMM,
outreach, conferences, website, etc." Greg says, "... although the
statistics would come from other folks." Greg says, "Thanks, Peter. I
understand it now." Greg says, "If nobody has anything in that area, I'll
ask if anybody has any 10K ideas." Greg says, "We haven't gotten to that
one in a long time." saavik says, "no, it's been sitting due to a lack of
ideas" MikeD says, "I believe that's really a Michael issue" saavik says,
"(that one is me)"
MikeD says, "Oh, it's yours"
MikeD says, "Sorry"
john-r says, "Mike see [B5G1C5] FW: Your message to moonsociety.org in list
mailbox" Greg says, "Yeah. It sounds like another project we haven't had
time for." Arthur says, "Can we have a recap what the 10K ideas are
supposed to be?" saavik says, "it keeps sounding great to everyone but
nothing happens" Greg says, "We were looking for ideas for $10,000 research
projects that the Moon Society could fund." saavik says, "the idea was to
jumpstart some actual moon society products/projects" saavik says, "and use
them as recruiting tools" kokhmmm says, "There were a number of
suggestions, but no action on any of them." saavik says, "well, one was vik
and I think he is acting just slowly" Greg says, "With specific projects in
hand, we could go begging for support." saavik says, "right, that was part
of the plan" john-r says, "have we raised the funds yet?" Greg says, "Folks
might donate to concrete projects." saavik says, "but the rundraising guy
ran away" Greg says, "Yeah."
saavik says, "and we haven'r restarted" saavik says, "it is a good idea,
imho"
Greg says, "But let's let that percolate in everybody's minds. We can still
do this, eventually." DaveW is still working on the regolith mover project
Scottyg-1 says, "We do have a proposal from Vik, and the funding was
substantially less than $10K iirc." Greg says, "And, fwiw, I'll soon be in
a position to talk about funding projects with the fellow who is the chief
benefactor of the Mars Society." john-r says, "can we ask for a name?"
Greg says, "Scotty, yes. It's a good one, too." MikeD says, "Who? Bob
Zubrin?"
saavik says, "that's good to know dave" Greg says, "John, sure -- my
current boss." Greg says, "Oh, no. Bob Zubrin goes begging to Robert
Bigelow when he wants money." MikeD says, "Ahh"
saavik has to sleep soon
john-r says, "No Sleep for Amy ")"
Greg says, "But since I currently work for Bigelow, I'm not the right guy
to contact him." Greg says, "Almost done, Amy!"
saavik reads the meeting agenda
Greg says, "So, let's let that that one percolate." Greg says, "The last
item on the agenda is Web Site Design." john-r says, "that would be me"
Greg says, "Yeah. Outstanding job on redoing the site, too, John." Greg
says, "Do we have any open things?" john-r says, "The voting page i
mentione earlier" john-r says, "TY Greg"
MikeD says, "John, that message doesn't make sense to me, have you read
it?" john-r says, "and the current picture- i am waiting on Dana to review
Tim Cadells data on the cronkite page" john-r says, "Miked ck the
forwarding to sectary@moonsoc.org" Greg says, "Do we do cronkite on
moonsociety.org, or just on asi.org?" kokhmmm says, "John, you could use
the Artemis Poster for a current picture, in large format." saavik has to
head to bed as she is teaching tomorrow saavik says, "night all"
kokhmmm says, "Nite, Amy"
saavik has disconnected.
Arthur says, "Goodnight amy"
john-r says, "no cronkite on moonsoc, and i think none on asi, cronkite may
have been used before we had the news feed on moon stuff" Greg says, "John,
yes."
MikeD says, "The link says mailto:secretary@moonsociety.org" MikeD says,
"What's wrong with that?"
Arthur says, "John, should we add some of the lunar directory images to the
home page, on a rotating basis too? Like the link to Artemis magazine,
etc?" Greg says, "Oops... too late."
john-r says, "mike who does it go to??" MikeD says, "Let me check"
Greg says, "It should go to Amy."
john-r says, "Thats ok with me arthur. ALSO.." john-r says, "what about
showing some of peters work also, i have found some neat stuff on the sapce
hub site and..." john-r says, "i have asked the chapters team for help, a
month ago, but so far no answers" Arthur says, "Oh yeah, hey Peter, would
you consider old MMM images available for the Moon Soc home page?" john-r
says, "and The ASI Poster is a good idea also Peter" john-r says, "and i
need the write up links also" kokhmmm says, "Yah, sure, but not of great
quality, just sketches." kokhmmm says, "I'll make a note to send some to
John." john-r says, "so the question is , does the board have any issues
using the lunar dir members, and is it ok to use the space hub pages?"
MikeD hmms.
MikeD says, "secretary@moonsociety.org doesn't seem to exist" john-r says,
"Peter the moon manor drawing is a good place to start" john-r says, "Thats
the point MikeD, he guy got some kind of error or bounce" MikeD says, "I'll
mention that issue to Randall tomorrow" kokhmmm says, "Okay, John. and the
Hub is my site, so I can give okay on whatever you want from it." john-r
says, "and in a min i will find the web page its on Mike" The housekeeper
arrives to cart saavik off to bed. MikeD says, "It's on
http://www.moonsociety.org/about/officers.php3" john-r says, "TY peter, i
will to do this week end or so" Arthur says, "I think sketches are fine. Ok
with all of this." Greg says, "That's a great idea. Peter has lots of nifty
images there." john-r says, "the i am done with my agenda item for the
night TY" Greg says, "It would be neat to cycle through more of Vik's
stuff, too." Greg says, "That said, anything else we need to do tonight?"
john-r says, "will do greg, i just have to find some pages with write ups,
he has been the most shown to date" kokhmmm says, "Just this note. Our
numbers continue to decline. 233 or so." Greg says, "John, yeah, but
they're pretty. :)" john-r says, "yup"
Greg says, "Peter: Rats."
john-r says, "Mike maybe all those forwards need cked , that is the page in
question for the help dir item" Scottyg-1 says, "Peter, there are a number
of registrations that James hasn't entered in Team Director yet - around 10
or 12." Greg says, "Yoicks."
MikeD says, "Are we the only group with declining membership?" MikeD says,
"Or are all the space groups experiencing the same efect?" kokhmmm says,
"Someone should enter them lest the new members get discouraged." Greg
says, "That sort of increases the importance of the earlier agenda item.
:(" Greg says, "Mike, yes, all space groups are expressing dismay." kokhmmm
says, "All groups are declining, and graying." Greg says, "In fact, every
organization I know of is experiencing this phenomenon." Greg says, "...
even outside the space community." MikeD says, "You just answered my
question Greg" kokhmmm says, "General discouragement with the poor results
of activism" john-r says, "Mike I seem to remember discussion, that most
groups are down and Greg had a good one, we need to fix the fizzle, and add
some sizzle, and i have a few off the wall ideas, for those that have a min
or 2" kokhmmm says, "So we have to find a new formula." Greg says, "We'll
need to ponder the question of why this is happening." Greg says, "... and
whether there is anything we can do about it." MikeD says, "If it's all
accross the board, even outside the space community, then there may not be
aything we can do" Arthur says, "Hmm, not the Howard Dean people :-)" Greg
says, "Mike, yeah. I'm not ready to despair yet." MikeD says, "Apart from
hope for some changes in forthcoming government elections accross the
world" Greg says, "But we definitely have a problem with the trend."
kokhmmm says, "But everyone is doing what they know how to do, and that
isn't cutting it anymore. We have to figure out how to reinvent ourselves."
Greg says, "I agree, Peter."
MikeD says, "Isn't that aking to re-inventing the wheel Peter?" Greg says,
"Maybe we could brainstorm on this later. I'm getting a little weary
tonight." MikeD says, "akin to too"
kokhmmm says, "No, the axle! :-)"
Greg says, "Mike, I think it's re-inventing the Society rather than
ourselves." Arthur says, "To me the surprising thing is we actually get
quite a few completely new members every year - from my experience
processing membership payments, roughly half tend to be renewals, and half
new. If we retained people better, we could grow quite well." Greg says,
"Arthur, yup, our retention rate has declined rather dramatically." kokhmmm
says, "Yes, membership retention is number one preoccupation, or should
be." MikeD laughs at Greg's weariness and raises it by 8 hours Arthur says,
"Oh, by the way, were we supposed to be voting on the $20 student rate? "
john-r sees taht and folds
kokhmmm says, "Arthur, we did that last time!" john-r says, "i thouth the
rate was approved at the last meeting" Arthur says, "Ah, I was out, sorry!"
Greg says, "Yeah, as I recall, we convened a board meeting and voted on
that." Greg says, "And it passed."
MikeD says, "Yup, they passed that for students and seniors" kokhmmm says,
"It's all in the upcoming MMM" Arthur says, "I didn't get much sleep last
night, if that helps" Greg says, "There must be a log around here
somewhere." john-r says, "we are all getting the log on the leaders list"
kokhmmm says, "Time to say goodnight"
Arthur says, "That's fine, I did read the transcript - I'd just forgotten"
Greg says, "OK."
john-r says, "Nite Peter"
MikeD says, "There are plenty of logs, but they're out in the park and it's
too late to go fetch them" Arthur says, "Yup - "
kokhmmm has disconnected.
Greg says, "So, if there's nothing else to come before the body tonight,
we'll adjourn." Arthur says, "Wait, John, you said you had some ideas
though?" Greg says, "Any objections?"
john-r says, "a couple off the wall types" Greg says, "Seeing none, so
ordered. We're adjourned. <gavel>" Scottyg-1 says, "One thing..."
Greg says, "Oops."
Scottyg-1 says, "LOL"
Arthur says, "Why don't we get them on the record before we turn off the
recorder" Greg says, "... almost adjourned."
Scottyg-1 says, "Just wanted to mention that we need to change the online
registration system to implement the new class." john-r says, "1 hgoing on
a conversation with peter greg and mike and someone else at last weeks
suppose to be asi leaders meet..." Greg says, "Arthur, right!"
Scottyg-1 says, "Thats all."
Greg says, "Oh, right!"
Greg says, "Um... who does that?"
Arthur says, "Scotty, are you up to doing it? Should I look at it? I might
have been the last one to change that page..." john-r says, "peter
mentioned a plan for space in so far as the first step is trhe suborbital -
which is also the x-prize so if the chapters each had a x-prize to look
after then we may help- and i think we need to.." john-r says, "do
something with TO, but i do not know the history, and tonight is not the
time..." Scottyg-1 says, "Well, I wrote most of it so I would be the most
logical person, but I can't promise when I'll be able to get to it." Arthur
says, "You mean each chapter pick an x-prize contender?" john-r says,
"something like that"
Arthur says, "Scotty - let's discuss what needs to be done next meeting, or
in b etween if we get a chance" MikeD says, "It's a bt late for that John,
they'll all want to support the same 2 or 3 contenders" john-r says, "also
the relly wild one- to note, if we can design a x-prize, it costs 1000 to
enter---even if we failed we would have publicty" Arthur says, "Oh, I don't
know - there's a British one, and a Canadian one that claim to have a
chance" Scottyg-1 says, "Yeah, and maybe we can get a meeting together with
James too." MikeD says, "We don't have the resources to design an X-Prize
entry John" Scottyg-1 says, "I hate to just boot him out, but we need some
kind of commitment from him." The housekeeper arrives to cart kokhmmm off
to bed. john-r says, "Mike that ? is mainy for Greg and Arthur and otheand
the st louis team" Arthur says, "Scotty, I emailed him and you on it
tonight - I guess we'll follow up when he is able to show up again"
Scottyg-1 says, "If you don't get an answer soon, I have a phone number I
think." Arthur says, "we being the technical guys? I think Mike's right
:-)" Arthur says, "Yeah, I think I have one too." john-r says, "ANd the
point on having all pick a diff one is support for the space comunity as a
whole, not who ends up wining" Arthur says, "This sounds like a good
subject for discussion on the chapters list, or maybe even the main
'discuss' list if we can get it up and running :-)" john-r says, "Greg do
we have or know enough brain power to design a x-prize?" john-r says, "True
Arthur, this is just bran storming in a quick way" MikeD says, "We have the
brain power, we just don't have the money" john-r says, "forget the money
for the first baby step :)" john-r says, "besides gregs contact may be some
priming cash," MikeD says, "You also have to consider that 4 of the
contenders are already doing manned tests" john-r says, "need a plan"
Greg says, "John, we probably don't have the time and skills for an X-Prize
among the Moon Society members, but we certainly know the right folks."
john-r says, "Thasts all i need fer now Greg TY" john-r says, "Thats"
john-r says, "thats all i have"
MikeD says, "something like 5 or 6 of the entries are at fairly advanced
stages of development" Arthur says, "Are any of the X-prize
contenders/sponsors already moon society members? Maybe we should look into
that..." john-r says, "who is turning off the recorder?" john-r says, "Good
Point Arthur"
MikeD says, "Hmm, free membership in return for putting our logo on their
ship?" john-r says, "Mike the nature of my thoughts rest first on publicty"
MikeD says, "Or our url"
john-r says, "now you are catching the drift" john-r says, ":)"
MikeD says, "For publicity purposes, Arthur's suggestion is good" john-r
says, "so i am done, but can stay for 20 min or so" MikeD says, "Even if we
had the money, I don't think it would be a good idea to enter into the
X-Prize at this late stage and get our asses kicked" john-r says, "Mike it
may but the real contenders in overdrive.... thats one goal" john-r says,
"and the entry fee is 1000.00 us" john-r says, "and we get it back if not
accepted" DaveW says, "whats the deadline for the x-prize anyone know?"
john-r says, "its a couple yrs off ii think" MikeD says, "Yeah, but 3 of
the entries are in quite a stage of advancement" john-r says, "Mike you
miss the point, the cost of a plan, and 1000 is cheap publicty" MikeD says,
"There doesn't appear to be a deadline. The prize goes to the first team to
succeed" john-r says, "and support for the space groups" MikeD says, "the
cost of what plan?"
john-r says, "there was a insurance dead line i read once" Arthur says,
"The money may disappear after the end of next year though, unless they can
raise more (right now it's on an insurance policy where the insurer bet
nobody would win it)." john-r says, "how ever much we may have to pay for
the brains to design the ship, if any at all, given the right people"
john-r says, "what arthur said"
Arthur says, "You know, Jon Goff has some ideas - he might be a good one to
consult on the issue. John, have you talked with him? Jon attended the
recent space access society meeting where all the x prize people were."
john-r says, "i am afk to ice cream for wife" MikeD says, "John, have you
looked at the Scaled Composites website?" john-r says, "yes scaled is very
close" Michael says, "deadline is by 2005"
john-r says, "and Arthur i have talked with Jon on the lunard dir a couple
weeks ago, " Arthur says, "Anyway, John, I think it's an excellent idea we
should discuss further with chapters - email it around." MikeD says, "And
you want to try and beat someone with that much headstart?" john-r says,
"yes on e-mail"
john-r says, "as the sleep bell douth ring" john-r will be right back.
Arthur says, "Yup - time for me too"
Michael goes home.
Arthur says, "good night guys - sorry I was disgruntled earlier, I'm happy
now :-)" MikeD says, "It's been time for me to go to bed since before the
meeting started" Arthur leaves.
DaveW leaves.
MikeD leaves.
john-r says, "exit"
john-r says, "oops"
john-r goes South.
Scottyg-1 has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to remove Scottyg-1. Greg has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to cart Greg off to bed. Severy has arrived.

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