-- Start log: Wednesday, October 1, 2003 8:18:39 pm ASI Meeting Server time-- 

dcarson says, "10-1-03"
MikeD says, "cool"
john-r says, "how the heck do we have a spoiled vote - are the punces just
hanging?" kokhmmm says, "Yes, I got two duplicates and discounted the
earlier of the two. One spoiled vote? You mean the one that cast no to all
candidates?" MikeD says, "yup"
Greg-1 says, "OK, the October 1, 2003 meeting of the Moon Society
Leadership Council is called to order! <gavel>" MikeD says, "That would be
my definition of a spoiled vote" kokhmmm says, "Well, he voted for Amy and
Dave W" MikeD says, "Did you get any votes sent to directly KokhMMM@aol.com"
Greg-1 says, "Yup, those votes for Amy and Dave would count." MikeD says,
"They couldn't materially effect the oucome of those particular elections
though" kokhmmm says, "Yes I did get several that came directly to me,
without the code that comes with ballots sent to elections@moonsociety.org"
john-r says, "and i think scotty said there was one mail in vote" DaveW
says, "did we get any write-in candidates?" MikeD says, "Have you counted
the ones you received directly?" Greg-1 says, "(Other than the guy who
voted for Dr. No?)" kokhmmm says, "Yes, I counted the ones that came to me
directly.I have an updated report that I can email you now, with the
totals. I think it is clear. Just let me know if I should send them." MikeD
says, "Sure, you might as well send them Peter" john-r says, "Peter are you
back home?" Greg-1 says, "Peter, we need a complete list of each ballot in
order to count the votes." kokhmmm says, "Yes, I got home 2pm this
afternoon, several days earlier than expected." MikeD says, "He actually
did that Greg, I just missed that part of the email the first 12 times I
read it" Greg-1 says, "OIC"
MikeD says, "13th time lucky"
MikeD says, "Has everyone here voted already?" Greg-1 says, "So, where do
we stand?"
MikeD says, "With what?"
Greg-1 says, "With the tallying of votes." MikeD says, "We now await Scotty"
Greg-1 says, "Peter, do you have the mail-in's that came to Scotty in your
totals?" kokhmmm says, "No my totals do not include Scotty's one ballot,
but it would not make a difference. The results are quite clear, I think."
kokhmmm says, "The trend was clear from the outset." kokhmmm reads the
meeting agenda
MikeD says, "Aha! It now goes to Z, that's 4 more than the last update"
Greg-1 says, "(Is my ballot in there somewhere?)" kokhmmm says, "Yes, it is
Greg"
Greg-1 says, "Thanks! :)"
MikeD says, "Do I just add those prefs at the bottom?" MikeD says, "As in,
have you done the counting already?" Greg-1 says, "Prefs?"
dcarson reads the meeting agenda
MikeD says, "Prerences"
MikeD says, "Preferences"
Greg-1 says, "I didn't understand the question. What preferences? To what
bottom?" kokhmmm says, "I don't know how you want to add them. It seems
quite clear who is number 1 and who is number 2 and who came in stronger of
the other two." MikeD says, "Ah, ok, it doesn't work quite like that Peter,
we still have to count them" Greg-1 says, "Peter, could you send the tally
to me at grb@riversendtech.com ?" Greg-1 says, "Then I'll know what we're
talking about." MikeD says, "It seems pretty clear about who is in the race
for the 3rd seat" kokhmmm says, "Okay, Greg"
Greg-1 says, "Thanks, Peter."
MikeD says, "Yes, sending it to Greg makes sense" MikeD will be right back.
MikeD says, "I need to go fetch some liquid" kokhmmm says, "Sent it, Greg"
Greg-1 says, "Oh, I see what you're thinking, Peter, but Mike is right."
Greg-1 says, "The tabulation at the end isn't how we count the ballots in a
preferential voting system." kokhmmm says, "I listed how many #1
preferences, #2 preferences, #3 preferences, and #4 preferences each
candidate got." Greg-1 says, "Peter, right."
Greg-1 says, "The number of 1's has meaning on the first round of counting.
The others have no import." Greg-1 says, "Counting preferential ballots can
be tricky -- you never look beyond the #1 on a ballot." Greg-1 says, "...
unless #1 is eliminated, in which case #2 becomes #1." dcarson says, "
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Single-Transferable-Vote" kokhmmm
says, "What is the sense of having to state your 2nd, 3rd, and 4th
preferences, then?" dcarson [to know]: who to move up when the first choice
goes away dcarson says, "to know who to move up when the first choice goes
away" Greg-1 says, "Omigoodness... that's even more confusing than the
preferential balloting system, Dana. :)" MikeD says, "So only the #2s of
the person elected in the first count would be transferred to the others"
Greg-1 says, "In our example, Randall clearly received a majority of the
1's on the first ballot." MikeD says, "Yup"
Greg-1 says, "So on the first round, Randall is declared the winner of slot
#1." Arthur arrives.
MikeD says, "So his 2s get distributed" john-r says, "Hi Arthur"
Greg-1 says, "In the second round, Randall is eliminated, and his 2's
become 1's." Arthur says, "Hi all - sorry, unexpected karate class this
evening..." MikeD says, "Did it hurt?"
Greg-1 says, "That is, one the second round of counting, #2 becomes #1 on
all ballots that marked Randall as #1" Arthur says, "Some of the kids were
pretty impressive to watch :-)" Greg-1 says, "Do karate classes often sneak
up on you like that, Arthur? :)" john-r says, "I think some are counting
votes" MikeD says, "So we use preferential voting and not Proportional
Representation?" Greg-1 says, "Mike, absolutely."
dcarson says, "if they're sneaking up isn't that ninjitsu instead?" MikeD
thinks of Inspector Clousseau being attacked by Kato john-r says, "is Kato
that cloths place or is that cato" MikeD says, "Not sure, I'm just stabbing
at the name of Clousseau's butler" MikeD says, "Peter, do you have the
ballots in a spreadsheet form?" Arthur used to love "Pink Panther"
Greg-1 says, "I don't think we can complete the counting tonight. That will
consume the whole meeting." MikeD says, "The movies or the cartoon?" Arthur
says, "movies"
kokhmmm says, "No, no spreadsheet"
Arthur says, "that's where most American's learned about France, right?"
MikeD says, "Sellers was a comic genius even if he was a complete asshole
to live with" MikeD says, "That's OK Peter, I can transfer them to
spreadsheet from the email" Greg-1 says, "Mike, can you set up the
spreadsheet with each ballot on a separate row?" Greg-1 says, "... and the
candidates at the top of the columns?" Greg-1 says, "That's the easiest to
deal with when doing the tally." MikeD says, "That's exactly what I'm
doing" Greg-1 says, "Hooray!"
kokhmmm says, "I hope to be done with the October MMM by Friday. Can you
get me the results so I can print them?" Greg-1 says, "With that activity
in place, is there any more to say about elections tonight?" john-r says,
"Seems like last year it took several days to get the final count, is that
what we need to expect this year?" kokhmmm says, "Yes, some thought the #
of votes was low. But!" Greg-1 says, "Year before last, Scotty and I did it
in a couple of hours." kokhmmm says, "But it is proportional to our
numbers, 10% of members this year, 10% of members last year." Greg-1 says,
"Hey, we got a 10% turnout. Not bad for a volunteer organization." Greg-1
says, "Not great, but not bad."
kokhmmm says, "And that's three times as high as voting participation in
NSS" Greg-1 says, "There ya go!~"
MikeD says, "I don't see it taking days" Greg-1 says, "Now if only we had 3
times as many members! :)" MikeD says, "Then it *would* take days" Greg-1
says, "I could get it done tonight if I weren't already ready for the
rack." dcarson says, "I remeber when ACM had to do a big vote drive to get
enough people to vote to lower the requirements below 1% for a election to
count" MikeD says, "Looks like we'll have 2 people working on it for
tomorrow" Greg-1 says, "LOL"
MikeD says, "That's just sick"
dcarson says, "what is?"
Greg-1 says, "Hey, that's computer nerds for ya. :)" Greg-1 reads the
meeting agenda
Greg-1 says, "Next item is Membership Services." Greg-1 says, "We're
training a new membership services person." john-r says, "So on Elections-
Greg and Mike to get counted - so Peter can have In 2 days for MMM- Right?"
john-r says, "sorry"
Greg-1 says, "John, I can give it a shot. And hope to come up with the same
results as Mike. :)" john-r says, "ok"
MikeD says, "That's what I was thinking also" Greg-1 says, "Has anyone
closed all the loops with James Gholston about the change?" Greg-1 says,
"Our new whatever-we-call-it membership services person will be Melissa
Morley." Greg-1 says, "I think Scotty was going to close the loops with
James, yes?" Greg-1 says, "While I'm waiting for a reply to that one, I'll
ask if there's any news on mailing lists for the Moon Society." Arthur
says, "I haven't mentioned it to James - has anybody else seen him on here
recently?" Greg-1 says, "(Might as well have one in the warm-up box,
y'know.)" MikeD says, "He was on earlier"
Arthur says, "Well, if I see him before Scotty gets to him, I'll let him
know. Or Mike, would you be comfortable telling him?" Greg-1 says, "Arthur,
yes, about an hour ago he mentioned that he was updating a membership
record for a 72-year-old man in Australia. I didn't have a chance to ask
what that was about." MikeD says, "No news other than the
discuss@moonsociety.org list is ready but the owners have yet to do
anything with it" john-r says, "that would be me :)"
MikeD says, "Yes it would, wouldn't it" Greg-1 says, "An announcement in
MMM might be nice." Greg-1 says, "... of the new mailing list." Greg-1
says, "... with a note about how to join it." MikeD says, "And you're the
one who was all in a hurry to get it done 2 weeks ago" MikeD says, ":-)"
MikeD says, ":-) :-)"
kokhmmm says, "Yes, I have plenty of room to make an announcement in MMM IF
someone else would compose it so I don't give the wrong slant." john-r
says, "i know, i had some time, then lost ot to other activites, and today
is 1st i have been on line sice friday, as i had bronchitas" Greg-1 says,
""Lunar Directory" is in the warm-up box. Anybody got anything on it?"
Arthur says, "Hope you're feeling better now John" john-r says, "Randall
iswas trying to get invite ready, and i thought Amy or someone was to try
to help" Greg-1 hands some chicken soup to John. Arthur says, "John, email
leaders or to the discuss list if there's anything we should write up for
it" kokhmmm says, "So long as it isn't e-bronchitis!" john-r says, "TY
Arthur i am, still lack a voice, and the soup is godd Greg" MikeD
prescribes Napoleon Brandy for John's throat problems john-r says,
"e-bronchitis??? no clue- the dod did not mention e tho" MikeD says, "But
declines to part with his own *free* supply" Greg-1 says, "(Are Moon
Society flyer and brochure things for Ian? We are Ianless at the moment.)"
kokhmmm says, "e-bronchitis = contagious by email or MOO" MikeD says, "lol"
john-r says, "ahhh :) - no e-,ail e in my illiness"
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| | john-r holds up a BIG sign: | Cough cough (with no tissue handy |

|___________________________________| john-r says, "any way"
Greg-1 says, "So let's bug Randall about the mailing list announcement when
he arrives." Greg-1 says, "... which will be in about 20 minutes, I think."
Greg-1 says, "Anything on Lunar Directory? Flyer?" john-r says, "if the
meeting is short - i will try in a few to upload the rules in the summary
and Arthur and i can compare notes" Greg-1 says, "Brochure?"
MikeD says, "My daughter just sent me an SMS from downstairs asking if I
want a cup of tea" Greg-1 says, "John, do you mean this meeting? :)"
kokhmmm says, "Brochure is for Greg & Ian? I think." john-r says, "Randall
is not the man on the mailing list he is the one on the lunar directory"
john-r says, "Yes Greg , this meeting, we are going fast and not all here
so we may be done soon" Greg-1 says, "If I have any action items on the
brochure, I am unware of them." Arthur says, "brb"
Greg-1 says, "Yes, I'm stepping through the agenda as quickly as reasonable
so that we can get past the items where there's nothing to do tonight."
john-r says, "Greg - I think Randall had you on the broucher team, with
Ian, as you are the most fimilar with the old brochure" MikeD says,
"Unfortunately there is nobody here for the 10k item" Greg-1 says, "How
about Grant Opportunities with TransOrbital? Who's bailiwick is that?"
john-r says, "Michael"
Greg-1 says, "How about Team and Mailing List Infrastructure?" Greg-1 says,
"I don't recall what that's about." john-r says, "thats MikeD"
MikeD says, "That's about Moon Society teams and they're all flipping dead
at present" Greg-1 says, "FYI, Michael is here, but he's not really here."
MikeD says, "So are the ASI teams"
john-r says, "Biz team had some action this past week" MikeD says, "Nobody
says anything on those lists anymore" Greg-1 says, "An excellent report,
Mike. Very accurate and succinct." john-r says, "Concise comes to mind
also" Greg-1 says, "Yes, concise."
MikeD says, "The only activity outside artemis-list was art-biz" MikeD
says, "Oh, St Louis updated their chapter page" Greg-1 says, "The next
question would be: Do those teams contribute to the goals of the Moon
Society? And: If so, what can we do to get them in motion again?" MikeD
says, "I'm not sure Greg"
kokhmmm says, "I had thought of something I could do to jump start teams"
Greg-1 says, "I've been traveling so much in the past 3 weeks that I'm
really out of touch with all the teams." kokhmmm says, "But I haven't had
time. " MikeD says, "Most of the chapter teams just sit there, nobody seems
to know what to do" Greg-1 says, "In MMM, Peter?"
john-r says, "time - what is that Peter :)" kokhmmm says, "Namely read in
pertinent stuff from back issues of MMM, or post same to a team page site,
if there was one." Greg-1 says, "For chapters, two words: FOOD FUNCTIONS."
Greg-1 says, "Hold a meeting at a local eatery. People will turn out."
john-r says, "That seems to be what St Louis is doing" MikeD says, "The
current St Louis page is at http://www.moonsociety.org/chapters/stlouis/ if
anyone wants to look" MikeD says, "I think the text color needs to be
changed, but who listens to me" With a sparkle of transporter light, saavik
appears kokhmmm says, "There is new life in San Diego, Utah, and St, Louis
per reports to be in October MMM" saavik says, "Sorry - I had to run out
with the dog" saavik says, "back"
MikeD says, "Of course, I haven't said so to the guys in St Louis" Greg-1
says, "Golly, they do have an ambitious meeting schedule." Greg-1 says, "It
would be neat to see some notes about what they did, even if it's just "We
nattered about the moon."" dcarson says, "a light grey text is a lot easier
to read with that background" MikeD says, "Have San Diego uploaded a
webpage yet Peter?" kokhmmm says, "Yes, they have. take a look at San Diego
page /sandiego" Arthur has disconnected.
MikeD says, "I suspect Keith et al were not aware of the templates we have
for them, but then we aren't forcing them to use those" Severy-4 has
arrived.
MikeD says, "Peter, that's just one of the templates" Greg-1 says, "Good
evening, Randall!"
Severy-4 says, "Good evening, everyone!" Greg-1 says, "Randall, we're
somewhere around the Team Infrastructure agenda item." MikeD says, "That's
the default look for a new chapter page, I uploaded that I'm afraid" saavik
says, "anyone have a clue how to stop a message from sending - its taking
up all my bandwidth" saavik says, "(it is large)"
Greg-1 says, "We haven't done all the ballot-counting yet, but we can say
definitively, that you won the first seat on the board, on the first round
of counting." saavik reads the meeting agenda
saavik says, "wow - you got all the way down to team infrastructure?"
saavik says, "did the meting start early?" Greg-1 says, "Good evening, Amy."
john-r has reconnected.
MikeD says, "Which means that if anyone had taken me up on my bet, I would
have won some money" Greg-1 says, "Yes, it started at 8:00 Eastern." john-r
says, "i lost my isp for a few min" MikeD says, "If you can find a
replacement isp it would be worth losing that one permanently" saavik says,
"wait, we agreed on 8 eastern??" saavik says, "that was not clear - I would
have been online" john-r says, "hey, it only happens onec a month now, its
never been better" Greg-1 says, "Oops."
MikeD says, "Ach sure, ya didn'ee miss much" kokhmmm says, "Amy, I think
you said goodnight last time before we decided. It's in the log." saavik
says, "ok, someone tell me the scoop" saavik says, "what is this about once
a month?" saavik says, "I'm very sorry to have missed - I had no idea" The
housekeeper arrives to cart Arthur off to bed. kokhmmm says, "Amy, you and
David were reelected unanimously" MikeD says, "relax, we're not about to
fire you or anything" Greg-1 says, "Apologies, Amy. We should have sent a
note to the leaders list or something." MikeD says, "I thought it *was*
mentioned on the leaders list" Greg-1 says, "Mostly what you missed was
puzzling over the election and ballots." saavik says, "oh ok"
MikeD says, "But then, I don't habve my filters in place on this machine"
saavik says, "ok, and we still meet twice a month?" saavik says, "(the
leaders list had a discussion with no resolution)" Greg-1 says, "Ballot
counting is not done, but it is clear that Randall won the 1st board slot
on the 1st round of counting." MikeD says, "The once a month thing was
regarding John's ISP" Greg-1 says, "All other seats will have to wait for
the count." kokhmmm says, "Yes, Amy, it was John's ISP that quits "once a
month"" Severy-4 just finished catching up on the recorder log, so he is
now current in the discussion saavik says, "ahh thanks peter :-)"
Arthur arrives.
Greg-1 says, "The "discuss" list is ready, awaiting action from its owners.
Peter needs a short piece on the mailing list for MMM." kokhmmm says, "Hi,
Randall. Check your email for Ballot summary from me." Arthur says,
"oops..."
Severy-4 says, "FYI, starting tonight the earliest I'll be able to make it
to any Wednesday night meeting is about 9:15 pm, due to rehearsals with the
new Frederick Wind Ensemble" saavik says, "read recorder"
saavik says, "err sorry"
Severy-4 says, "Amy, try "play current on recorder" to catch up" MikeD
says, "Which instrument do you play Randall?" Severy-4 says, "Oboe and
English Horn"
MikeD says, "How similar is the fingering on an oboe to a clarinet?" MikeD
gets tangential again
Severy-4 says, "Somewhat similar"
MikeD says, "Is English Horn a reed instrument?" MikeD says, "Sorry"
Severy-4 says, "English Horn is like a larger version of the oboe" MikeD
says, "Ahh, OK, now I know which one it is. ... I think" Severy-4 says, "So
it looks like I'll need someone to help start the meetings until I can show
up..." MikeD says, "Anyway, I'll just continue entering data in my
spreadsheet here" Arthur says, "sounds like a duck :-)"
Severy-4 says, "Amy, would I be able to twist your arm into helping me with
those duties? :-)" saavik says, "sure"
MikeD says, "Either that or we move them back to the old time and allow 15
minutes grace" Arthur says, "Randall, were you there when we were talking
about the meeting time? If 8 pm's not going to work, Scotty also had
trouble with getting on before 8:45 or so he said..." Greg-1 says, "I think
that makes Amy the chairman pro tem ad hoc du jour" MikeD says, "Stop using
French"
MikeD says, "Or is that Latin?"
saavik just got a phone call IRL, but she will be right back. Greg-1 says,
"I think it was Chinese."
kokhmmm says, "both French and Latin and now accepted ENGLISH" Severy-4
says, "Quel est la probleme avec le francais? :-)" Severy-4 grins.
kokhmmm says, "Je ne sais quois?"
Severy-4 says, "Moi aussi :-)"
MikeD says, "God save the Queen"
Greg-1 says, "Basta! Basta! Andalenos!" Severy-4 laughs.
Greg-1 says, "God save us all!"
MikeD says, "that too"
kokhmmm says, "Mon Dieu!"
saavik says, "back"
kokhmmm says, "Careful, I am 1/4 Canuck = French Canadian" saavik says,
"sure, I can start the meeting once I know when it starts ;-)" Greg-1 says,
"Does anybody remember where the heck we were on the agenda?" MikeD says,
"Actuallym the only part of that exchange I didn't understand was what Greg
said" Greg-1 says, "Mike, me too."
saavik says, "team I think"
Greg-1 says, "Amy, right."
MikeD says, "discuss@moonsociety.org I believe" Greg-1 says, "Team
Infrastructure."
john-r thinks we have sunk thru a worm hole on the way to the moon :) does
not undersatnd english much less french Greg-1 says, "The 'discuss' list is
a go-back. We were going to bug Randall about a write-up or invite or
something." MikeD says, "Oh yeah"
john-r says, "Randall is the invite for the lunar directory" Severy-4 says,
"We were?"
MikeD says, "now I remember"
MikeD says, "he volunteered last meeting" john-r says, "Arthur and I are
the ones for the discuss list" Greg-1 says, "Are you caught up yet,
Randall?" Severy-4 says, "I need to produce an invite for the Lunar
Directory, but I didn't hear about one for the discuss list" Severy-4 says,
"Yes, I'm caught up, Greg" Greg-1 says, "Oh, right. Arthur & John = discuss
list." Greg-1 hands the gavel to Randall and happily skips away from the
podium. kokhmmm says, "skips"?"
MikeD says, "I'm just trying to add to Randall's confusion" Greg-1 says,
"(Note to snappy footwork.)" saavik wonders if the meeting time is settled
with Randall's new info saavik hops and jumps around the room in a fancy
twirling manuever Greg-1 thinks it has once again become unsettled. Arthur
says, "Would a different night (earlier) work better for everybody
possibly?" MikeD thinks they're all nuts
Greg-1 says, "It's amazing what you can do in low gravity, Amy." Arthur
says, "Wednesday does tend to be best for me." Severy-4 says, "You don't
need to start the meeting later just on my account, I'll just join the
meeting late" Arthur says, "except maybe if this karate class continues..."
Severy-4 says, "I now have orchestra rehearsals on Tuesday and Thursday
nights as well, so those days are even worse for me" MikeD says, "Then it
will no longer be a surprise will it" saavik says, "Tuesday is out for me"
Greg-1 says, "Any night is equally inconvenient for me." MikeD says, "I
don't care as long as they finish before they start" dcarson says, "any
night but Monday is OK for me" kokhmmm says, "Just send in the clones"
saavik says, "boy are we punchy tonight" MikeD says, "Any time that suits
people in North America is inconvenient for me" saavik says, "good point"
MikeD says, "Unless you have daily "lunchtime" meetings" MikeD says, "Where
lunchtime is 1pm Eastern or later" MikeD says, "We's never achieve anything
that way though" kokhmmm says, "Back to the meeting!"
Arthur says, "Leave it at 8 pm Wednesday then for now?" MikeD says, "ok by
me"
Greg-1 says, "Yeah."
kokhmmm says, "8pm Eastern?"
Arthur says, "yup"
Greg-1 says, "Yes, Eastern."
Greg-1 says, "7 PM Central."
Greg-1 says, "Oh-dark-thirty in the Land of Eyre." john-r says, "yes 8 est
7 central and 1 am irish" john-r says, "is good for me"
saavik says, "ok"
Greg-1 says, "We'll need to reorganize the agenda to accommodate Randall
and Scotty." Greg-1 says, "... and Randall happens to be the owner of the
agenda object. :)" MikeD says, "And maybe get the team and list stuff in
earlier so I can actually leave if I'm not needed" john-r says, "thers the
best idea yet"
Greg-1 says, "Good plan."
Greg-1 says, "It would be nice to add names to the agenda items, too, so
that we know who belongs to what." Greg-1 says, "... but make sure the
person whose name appears next to an agenda item accepts responsibility for
it." saavik says, "that's a cool idea"
Severy-4 says, "The agenda object is just an interface to the agenda web
page in /private/leaders, which anyone can edit" kokhmmm says, "Sounds like
a plan! How will we implement it?" Greg-1 says, "Good plan, Randall! (As
long as I don't have to edit it. At the moment, I don't have 2 IQ points to
rub together.)" MikeD refuses to be drawn into making a sarcastic remark in
response to that saavik says, "so when does voting finish?" Greg-1 thought
that one was sufficiently self-deprecating to trump any attempt at sarcasm.
kokhmmm says, "Greg, you get one point for each eye. To rub them together,
just focus on anything." Greg-1 says, "Voting ends today, Amy."
john-r says, "I tried to change the genda ONCE, and goofed it up big time"
Greg-1 says, "Peter: Ouch!"
john-r says, "agenda"
Greg-1 says, "Mike and I are going to try to get independent counts done in
time for Peter to put into the MMM on Friday." MikeD says, "I almost have
my spreadsheet ready, so it might be worth comparing the two tonight"
saavik says, "I know that - i mean counting sorry" Greg-1 says, "This
assumes I can get some sleep tonight and then get everything ready for
another jaunt down the freeways tomorrow." saavik says, "ahh ok"
saavik says, "I have to head to bed soon too - sick and flying tomorrow"
Greg-1 says, "Mike, I might have a count done by your evening of October
2." john-r [to Arthur]: see
http://www.moonsociety.org/teams/view-team.php?team=discuss&system=Moon&return=teams
ON Discussion summary Greg-1 says, "OK. Quickly: Anything on 10K ideas,
State of the Society, Help Desk, or Web Site Design?" kokhmmm says,
"Website - how about adding a bibliography of books on Moon?" john-r says,
"Web Design and join page and new member types = yes i need help" saavik
says, "no on 10K"
Greg-1 says, "Great idea, Peter. Do you have some fodder for the pages?"
dcarson says, "nothing here"
Greg-1 says, "How can we get help for John on the web site?" dcarson says,
"good idea Peter a list might help" john-r says, "the join pages needs the
new member types added, but i have never revised those pages- does Arthur
and Scotty need to do those changes??" kokhmmm says, "A few items, Greg,
not a really complete list. Could work on one." Greg-1 says, "That would be
neat, Peter." dcarson says, "I can probably help John" kokhmmm says, "And
we need the join page to mention student/senior rates" john-r says, "thats
what i am saying Peter, but due to forms and such, and the processing, it
needs some major time to change" Greg-1 says, "We need to bookmark the
input from Scotty and wait until the next meeting. He's out of the country
this week and will be way a lot of next week." MikeD says, "Ok, we have 26
votes, but one person voted NO to everybody, do I count that as part of the
total or consider it spoiled and invalid" john-r says, "Good Dana- the
question is also needed reviewd by Arthur, as i do not have access to the
back room, " kokhmmm says, "Mike, he voted yes to Amy and to David" Greg-1
says, "I'd count it as a spoiled and invalid ballot, Mike." Greg-1 says,
"Oh, right."
Greg-1 says, "In other words, no vote on directors." MikeD says, "Yes, but
he spoiled his Directors vote, so I'm calculating out of 25 really" kokhmmm
says, "That's right, although he made that explicit, "no" on all board
candidates" john-r says, "Randall do you understand the concerns for the
revisions needed for the join page?" saavik says, "why is it spoiled to
vote no?" saavik says, "just curious"
saavik says, "(and I wonder who it is that is that bitter)" Greg-1 says,
"Peter, saying "NO" on that ballot is the same as leaving it blank." saavik
says, "but I don't expect to know :-)" john-r says, "we can not assume
bitter? IMHO" kokhmmm says, "Amy, a clue -- "troll""
john-r says, "maybe they did not like any of the names presented, but
offered no write in" Greg-1 says, "Certainly someone who was unhappy about
something." kokhmmm says, "Yes, DFJ"
Severy-4 says, "Yes, John, I think I understand them, but I think Scotty
needs to make those changes" Greg-1 says, "But lacking further information,
I can't think of a thing we can do other than to treat it as we would if
the spaces were blank." john-r says, "Randall- i agree with Scotty " MikeD
says, "Either way it's an invalid vote in the directors election" Greg-1
says, "OK, so John will follow up with Scotty on the Join page when he gets
back?" john-r says, "yes"
Greg-1 says, "I'd guess that Scotty will come alive around Thursday of next
week." john-r says, "yes i will follow up with scotty" Greg-1 says, "(I
know what other things are waiting for him when he gets back on Tuesday
night, y'see.)" MikeD says, "Amy, only voting for one out of the 4 would
constitute a valid vote with stipulation that it not be transferred to
anyone else, but voting NO to all is almost the same as giving all four a
1" saavik nods.
saavik says, "ok"
saavik says, "I'm just amazed that someone would take the time to do that"
MikeD says, "I'm not"
Greg-1 says, "Have we run off the end of the agenda for this evening?"
Greg-1 says, "Oh, I'd like to toss out some food for thought, for future
cogitation..." Greg-1 says, "I'd like propose term limitations for Moon
Society officers... two consecutive terms." kokhmmm says, "Yawn, just got
back from 4,300 mile road trip, yawn, night, all" john-r says, "Nite Peter"
MikeD says, "I'm just amazed that someone held the newcomer to account for
actions that could not have been taken by him" Greg-1 says, "I think we
would need a constitutional amendament to do this." Greg-1 says, "G'night
Peter!"
kokhmmm says, "You just want a dignified way out, Greg!" Greg-1 says,
"Since when am I dignified, Peter?" saavik hmms.
saavik says, "not bad but then what happens if we don't have replacements?"
MikeD says, "Greg, is that a lifetime limit of 2 terms, or just no more
than 2 terms before taking a term off" saavik says, "but it s a good
thought"
Greg-1 says, "Some of the elder sages advised me to do this at the Moon
Society founding meeting. I think they're right." Greg-1 says, "Consecutive
terms, Mike." kokhmmm says, "I think Mike's suggestion is better, two on,
then one off to refresh" saavik says, "meaning you can run again later"
saavik says, "not bad"
Greg-1 says, "Peter, that's what "two consecutive terms" would do." dcarson
says, "if you can get new people to run it is good, more inputs and people
don't burn out" Greg-1 says, "It would require an officer to sit out at
least one inning. :)" MikeD says, "We can't afford to completely lose
people, but I do think more than 2 terms in arow is bad" saavik says, "I
like it"
Greg-1 says, "Yup, especially in a body like the Moon Society." MikeD says,
"So you're suggesting the same thing Peter and I are thinking" john-r says,
"but we need people to dooo more- when we have say 50 Percent voteing it
may be more important" saavik says, "though it means I'm done next time"
saavik says, "but you could change positions?" Greg-1 says, "Mike, yes I
am."
saavik says, "or out of running completely?" Greg-1 says, "Amy, yes."
kokhmmm says, "People could still stay in the leadership council" Greg-1
says, "Yup, as board members or leaders of teams or whatevers." Greg-1
says, "Amy, that is, yes, I think someone should be able to run for a
different office." Greg-1 says, "The most common might be a V.P. who runs
for President, but only the future will tell us how it really turns out."
MikeD says, "Most of the officers have experience with the server so they
could help with other tasks such as web design and lists and stuff while
they're not in office." saavik says, "do we need to make this official next
meeting? (did we disband?)" Greg-1 says, "Yup."
Greg-1 says, "And it leaves the most publicly visible jobs open for other
folks to aspire to." MikeD says, "This motion requires a formal
presentation to a full quorum" Greg-1 says, "Amy, yeah. I was really just
tossing that one out as a future agenda item." MikeD says, "Though I can't
see anybody voting against it" kokhmmm says, "Here is a case where we need
to give notice of a vote to change bylaws, I think (suddenly not sleepy)"
Greg-1 says, "I *think* it requires a change to the constitution. Might be
just the bylaws." Greg-1 says, "But at the least, it's a very formal thing
for the board." kokhmmm says, "Bylaws must state how we go about changing
bylaws." MikeD says, "If it requires a constitutional change, does that
require a membership vote?" Greg-1 says, "My goal here is to get some gray
matter working it it to make sure everyone likes the idea." Greg-1 says, "I
dunno, Mike, and I'm too sleepy to check tonight. :)" saavik says, "the
gray matter seems to be working" Greg-1 says, "Yup! Mission accomplished.
:)" Greg-1 says, "That's all I have for tonight, folks." MikeD says, "The
question is whether it's just a bylaw or something that is also hardcoded
into the constitution" kokhmmm has disconnected.
MikeD says, "Someone turn off the recorder" john-r says, "if i can get
Randall and Arthur to hang around for a few min on the discuss list?"

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