-- Start log: Wednesday, January 7, 2004 9:01:19 pm ASI Meeting Server time-- Severy switches places with Severy-4 irs arrives. john-r says, "hI Ian" saavik says, "meeting starting?" kokhmmm says, "Randall, I uploaded the January Review (#34) this afternoon, and it does not show up on the pdf archives page." Severy-4 says, "Waiting for any stragglers while I frantically finish my dinner :-)" Michael arrives. Michael says, "good evening everyone." kokhmmm says, "Hi, Michael" Michael says, "hi john, haven't seen you in a while...." Michael says, "hmm.... who's dberlin?" irs says, "Hi Gang. Since I'm not quite official anymore, and since there's a new West Wing on tonight... well, I'm here." Severy-4 says, "Ok, I'll look into it, Peter" dcarson says, "our new volunteer for graphics" Michael says, "I'm cooking dinner downstairs so I'll be back in about 3 minutes" saavik says, "lol, ok, I'll take ada out now and brb since it seems to be a good time" john-r says, "Hi Michael, been busy on projects at home :)" Michael says, "ok, I'm back. I've had a few drinks at a entrepreneurs networking thing so I'm stoked..... (that's the thing about those events, everyone is just so 'up' that its infectious, you think you can do anything)" Michael says, "especially after the third beer" Michael says, "so, when do we launch?" saavik says, "back" Severy-4 says, "Ok, let's get this show on the road" Severy-4 says, "Do we have anyone here to talk about Membership Services?" saavik reads the meeting agenda Michael says, "btw, we're moon society board tonight, right?" saavik nods. Michael says, "ok, just making sure I've got the right hat on." Michael thinks out loud, "its a shame Tim isn't here tonight." Severy-4 says, "Ok, I guess we don't have anyone to talk about Membership Services yet" saavik says, "lol" saavik reads the meeting agenda Severy-4 says, "Let's move on to Term Limits and come back later" Severy-4 says, "Do we still need to discuss term limits?" Greg says, "Oops. I'm still not ready for tha tone." Greg says, "that one, too" Nancy-1 says, "Since December 1st, there have been 6 renews and one new member that Missy has processed." Scottyg-1 has arrived. Severy-4 says, "Welcome, Scotty!" kokhmmm says, "Hi, Scotty" Severy-4 says, "Does Missy have everything she needs?" Scottyg-1 says, "Hi! Sorry I'm late. Was busy working at the computer and the time got away from me." Severy-4 says, "And Greg floated the proposal about having Missy handle membership e-mail questions" Nancy-1 says, "She has everything but the bumper stickers." Greg-1 says, "Oops." dcarson thwaps Greg with a rolled-up newspaper. "Bad! Bad! Bad!!!" Greg-1 says, "Oh, right. We do seem to have a problem keeping up with membership stuff in Help Director." Greg-1 says, "That is not among Missy's current responsibilities." Severy-4 says, "Do we have the budget to pay her to take over those responsibilities?" john-r says, "Nancy - did Missy and Arthur get predreg new expire date corrected?" Greg-1 says, "I don't know, but I hope Scotty does." saavik says, "darn net lag?" Nancy-1 says, "Last I knew Arthur was going to do that." john-r says, "TY Nancy" Nancy-1 says, "You're welcome." john-r says, "Any idea what the proposed pay is for reading the mail?" saavik says, "it would be good to get it done" john-r will be right back. Greg-1 says, "This is weird. Predrag's expiration data is now 2004, but he doesn't show up in the "Current Members" list." Severy-4 says, "The Current Members list is based on the member status flag, is he listed as Current or Expired?" Greg-1 says, "Lemme look." Greg-1 says, "Nope. He was listed as "Expired." I fixed it." Arthur arrives. Arthur says, "Hi all!" Michael quietly asks to add something to hte agenda concerning moon society logo merchandise. Greg-1 says, "Randall, does Team Director keep a log of who edits records when?" Arthur reads the meeting agenda Michael reads the meeting agenda Severy-4 says, "Yes it does, Greg" Severy-4 says, "Hi, arthur!" kokhmmm says, "Hi, Arthur" Greg says, "I was wondering if there's a way to find out what really happened to that membership record." Severy-4 says, "What is his membership ID?" Greg says, "Member 412" Greg says, "I don't see a username in here." saavik wonders if this needs the whole board for this? Severy-4 says, "arthurpsmith [Sat Jan 3 14:25:35 2004] Updated Member Predrag Lezaic (412)" Severy-4 says, "grb [Wed Jan 7 21:29:39 2004] Updated Member Predrag Lezaic (412)" Severy-4 says, "If he has an Admin account, the username will be in there" Greg says, "Any previous records on that one?" Greg says, "Amy, I sure hope not. :)" john-r says, "back" Arthur says, "Oops - sorry I didn't notice it still listed as expired. Hmm, I should have checked some more on it." Severy-4 says, "missy [Sat Nov 8 09:20:00 2003] Updated Member Predrag Lezaic (412)" Arthur says, "Thanks for fixing Greg!" Greg says, "Meanwhile, we were discussing what to do about keeping up with Help Director." Arthur says, "Did we ever find out what happened with Predrag's email though? It disappeared somehow?" john-r says, "Amy, we do not really need the whoe board, but---- this is one time when we are alltogether and mind on the society :)" Arthur says, "It would be fine for Missy to read the membership email too. Or anybody else on the board. I'm afraid I didn't get to it at all the last month." dcarson says, "I think that one email came to me addressed to nembership@ which I replied to and also sent to membership@" saavik says, "lol, ok" Greg says, "Question for Scotty: Can we afford to expand the contract to have Missy checking Help Director? Say once a week or so?" Scottyg-1 says, "Thats to vague to make a statement about." Scottyg-1 says, "State it in hours." Greg says, "Let's see... in this email to the Leaders I swagged 5 hours at $12/hour." Greg says, "That sounds kinda pricey." Scottyg-1 says, "Per week?" Greg says, "Yeah." kokhmmm says, "Is help director something we can farm out to the folks in Bangalore?" Scottyg-1 says, "Yeah, that's pricey." Greg says, "Hmm... Arthur, do you have any idea how long it takes to clear out a week's worth of Help Director things in Membership Services?" Scottyg-1 says, "For reference - Missy's charges for membership processing for the month of December were $114." Greg says, "That was actually for 3 months and smidge... September through December." Scottyg-1 says, "5 hrs per week @ $12.00 times 4 weeks = $240.00 per month." Greg says, "Therein lies the rub." saavik says, "sounds like we could afford it" saavik says, "I mean, if we can keep members happier, we bring in the money to afford it" saavik says, "and it seems that none of us have the time to answer the mail" Greg says, "The traffic of new and renewing members is not sufficient to keep a clerk compensated for her time." Greg says, "That's what worries me most, Amy." Scottyg-1 says, "Amy, we have about 240 members." kokhmmm says, "Perhaps none of us has the time to answer the mail, but if one of us did that $240 worth a month for free it would be the equivalent of a $2880 donation (per year)" dcarson says, "the membership box currently has 20 messages, over half are bounces" Scottyg-1 says, "At $240.00 per month, thats $12.00 per member per year." Scottyg-1 says, "We can't afford it." Greg says, "That means if we did that way, we'd be spending about 1/3rd of our dues on membership processing." Greg says, "More than a third." saavik says, "how many hours will it really take?" Greg says, "I'm thinking about my swag of 5 hours. That sounds high." Greg says, "But I haven't been involved in processing that mail." kokhmmm says, "Hey, I was serious about Bangalore. We could get someone in India to do it in exchange for annual dues, I'll bet." Greg says, "Peter, I wouldn't want to do that. It's a job that we shouldn't give to anyone whom we don't know personally." saavik says, "I agree with Greg" dcarson says, "if we're willing to have lag they should be able to do all of a month in less then 5 hours" kokhmmm says, "We can also appeal to seniors/retired persons. There has to be some not as busy as me." Greg says, "Dana, we're talking about dealing with inquiries from members." Greg says, "OKOKOK... 240 members, average 20 expirations per month, 5 per week, 20 minutes per member..." dcarson says, "why I said if, but if we actually get them all done in a month instead of ignored for a random amount it might help" kokhmmm says, "How about a new officer position, Vice-President of Member Services, and this is part of his/her job description." Greg says, "Make it 2 hours a week at $10/hour = $20/week?" Greg says, "Am I low-balling it this time?" saavik says, "that was what I was trying to say dana, I agree" Greg says, "Dana, yes. Answering the Help Director mail seems vital to retaining membership." Arthur says, "sorry, was afk with kids" kokhmmm says, "We need to find a way to do this on a volunteer basis. An elective position. Anyone running would be volunteering. Membership coordinator, Member ombudsman, whatever you want to call it." Greg says, "We've tried, Peter. That's how we ended up with a paid clerk to handle it, years ago." dcarson says, "5 this week, one needs an email dropped since its bad, one question the rest bounces to ignore" saavik says, "is missy willing to do it>" saavik says, "and if so, is she willing for how much?" Greg says, "Nancy is talking to her right now." saavik says, "meaning it has to be worth something to her" Greg says, "Yes." dcarson says, "that shouldn't take 2 hours" Greg says, "Dana, sometimes trouble-shooting can become very time-consuming. That's why I estimated an average of 20 minutes each." dcarson says, "true, but it looks like most don't" Arthur says, "I would guess 1-2 hours is about what I've spent every time I've worked through the list; but that's been more like once a month, rather than once a week" Arthur says, "Most of the email doesn't need anything done" Arthur says, "On the other hand, somebody dedicated and paid would do a lot better than I (or probably another volunteer) - at least I would hope" Greg says, "Interesting. Do they need to be replied to?" dcarson says, "many of them are bounces that can't be relied to" Arthur says, "Yes, usually a short reply checking if things are ok now." Arthur says, "Or bounces that need nothing (except maybe an email address deletion" Greg says, "Yeah." dcarson says, "maybe send a postcard to the snail address if the reminder to the edress bounces?" Arthur says, "Or there are routine questions like how to get to MMM online, people with no idea how the username/password (teamdir) is set up" Arthur says, "In those cases usually I set up a username/password for them if that seems to have been the problem." Arthur says, "Should we have Missy do that routinely on new members??" Severy-4 says, "Do you direct them to http://www.moonsociety.org/mymoon? That's where they should go..." Arthur says, "Yes, that's the best place to start" Arthur says, "Anyway, I'd say up to $5/member in membership processing costs is affordable; that would be a total of $100/month, or maybe a little over double what Missy's getting now" Greg says, "Data: Missy's time log shows that it takes 35 minutes per member to do what she is doing now." kokhmmm says, "Routine questions should lead to canned answers. Have we been generating these?" Arthur says, "Wow, 35 minutes/member?" Greg says, "Arthur, yup. That includes doing the mailings as well as all the stuff in Team Director and the accounting system." Arthur says, "I haven't been good about making canned answers, though there are a few" Greg says, "I asked her to keep a detailed time log." Severy-4 says, "Peter, good guess on the 2004 MMM problem, I fixed the template and now the index shows the new issue" kokhmmm says, "Tnanks, Randall!" Michael's drink induced euphoria slowly turns into a mild hangover Severy-4 says, "We've been talking about membership processing for almost an hour now, what do we need to do to make a decision in this area?" Arthur says, "1. Vote on whether we want to propose to Missy to handle member emails for a fee we can afford (total around $100/month)?" Arthur says, "Oh, sorry, no 2." Arthur says, "Any other suggestion? Would that be enough for her to be ok to do it?" saavik says, "there isn't even a 2?" saavik says, "at least not in my window" Scottyg-1 says, "I would propose it to handle Help Director memership queries at a rate of $10.00 per hour not to exceed $100 per month." kokhmmm says, "Compromise proposal. We generate canned answers for the most common questions & problems. A volunteer dispatches these, and leaves the rest for Missy." Greg says, "Scotty... Bingo!" Scottyg-1 says, "Peter, as long as a volunteer is doing it, it won't be much better that what it is now." Greg says, "That is, I second Scotty's motion." saavik says, "someone make a motion?" dcarson says, "canned replies would help, those of us with memories like seives look at messages and can't remember what to say" Greg says, "Scotty moved that we offer $10 an hour to handle Membership Services Help Director, not to exceed $100/month." Arthur says, "Missy could draft some canned replies to help her out too, couldn't she?" Greg says, "I seconded the motion." Severy-4 says, "All in favor?" Greg says, "Aye" Severy-4 says, "Aye" dcarson says, "aye" Arthur says, "Aye" kokhmmm says, "abstain" Michael says, "aye" john-r says, "I would add to any motion , a trial period of 3 to 6 months, and if missy can meet me in moo, at some time i can help get her started" Michael falls over Scottyg-1 says, "I move that we modify our membership processing contract with Missy to include handling Help Director memership queries at a rate of $10.00 per hour not to exceed $100 per month." Scottyg-1 [to put]: it as a motion. Arthur says, "I suspect Peter spends more hours per month on MMM than we'd want to pay at that rate :-)" Greg says, "Scotty, yeah. I don't think we need to vote again. :)" Severy-4 says, "Nah" Severy-4 says, "Ok, anything else on Membership Processing for tonight?" Greg says, "Oh, I hope not!" Michael says, "god I hope not..." Michael loses saavik says, "did we vote?" saavik says, "I didn't hear one!" saavik says, "or am I missing text?" Severy-4 says, "Yes, we voted, Amy" Greg says, "You say, "I seconded the motion."" Greg says, "Severy-4 says, "All in favor?"" Greg says, "You say, "Aye"" Greg says, "Severy-4 says, "Aye"" Greg says, "dcarson says, "aye"" Greg says, "Arthur says, "Aye"" Greg says, "kokhmmm says, "abstain"" Greg says, "Michael says, "aye"" saavik says, "the secretary never even saw a formal motion" Arthur says, "Severy-4 says, "All in favor"..." saavik says, "what the heck ishappened to my connection?" saavik says, "I saw NOTHING of that" Greg says, "Aw darn." Severy-4 says, "Amy, use '@play current on recorder' to catch up at any time" saavik says, "yeah but how do I catch up when I don't even know i"m missing stuff???" Scottyg-1 says, "I stated the motion after we voted on it. :=)" saavik says, "damnit" Severy-4 says, "Ok, moving back on to Term Limits, anything we need to cover on that tonight?" saavik says, "brb - going to try logging in again" saavik has disconnected. saavik has connected. Scottyg-1 says, "Amy, I stated the motion after we voted on it. :=)" saavik says, "read, i found it. I hope I don't miss any more text." Michael reads the meeting agenda Michael has a 7:00 am meeting in downtown so I'm not sure how much longer I'm going to last. saavik says, "ok, I have my official record. and I also need to sleep soon" Scottyg-1 says, "Greg, can you handle modifying the contract, signing two copies to Missy, have her sign one and return it?" kokhmmm says, "If we are going to do term limits, we should do it soon, so potential candidates have time to think about the significance" Scottyg-1 says, "signing and sending" kokhmmm says, "Michael, on Good Morning America, this morning, they were talking about the new caffein-laced donuts. Maybe that would help in the am." Michael says, "oh lord, that's exactly what someone with coronary artery disease needs!" Severy-4 laughs. Michael says, "i'm not even supposed to have caffinated coffee much less a donut!" Arthur says, "Michael doesn't do donuts" Greg says, "Scotty, yes, I'll take care of the contract." Michael says, "would you guys mind if I inserted an agenda item before I collapse?" Arthur says, "fine with me Michael" john-r says, "ok with me" kokhmmm says, "me too" Greg says, "Do it, Michael." Severy-4 says, "Go for it, Michael" Michael says, "two things: first, if I could get folks to review http://www.rocketforge.org/cdsvn/ I'd appreciate it. Eventually I'll ask the Moon Society and Artemis to join the coalition. Secondly, I'm selling stuff on cafeshops.com/rocketforge and I've got a couple of Moon Society Logo items. I'd like to figure out something official with regards to that and how it relates to Lunar Traders sometime soon." Michael says, "I was hoping Tim could be here so we could discuss it. I'm not sure what he wants to do with that but if anyone talks to him, could you let him know I'd like to discuss it with him." dcarson says, "sure" Michael says, "no decisions needed now, just making the board aware of the two issues." Michael says, "I'm done...." Arthur says, "Thanks, looks interesting Michael. One of my other projects might be interested in it too... I'll let them know" kokhmmm says, "Michael, I'll look it over. Maybe there is an MMM article there? " Michael says, "sure, its not public yet but soon. I've got folks at Space Frontier Foundation and IASE interested./" Michael says, "anyway, I'm done... next item." kokhmmm says, "We've all been trying to figure out how to terrace our way to a full-fledged space economy. Maybe your paradigm will help." kokhmmm says, "Term Limits" Greg says, "We're not ready to discuss term limits yet." Greg says, "We're waiting for me to come up with a formal motion." Greg reads the meeting agenda kokhmmm says, "The Moon Discuss List and the Yahoo Group (Arthur/John)" saavik says, "amy's bedtime" saavik says, "anything left to vote on? I also have to be early though not as early as michael" Severy-4 says, "Ok, moving on to the list and Yahoo Group, anything we need to cover there?" Greg says, "I don't see any obvious motions coming up, Amy." saavik says, "ok, off then. night all" john-r says, "nite amy" saavik has disconnected. Michael says, "can someone 'splain the role of the yahoo group?" john-r says, "the only ting with discuss list and yahoo, is there has been some cross postibg to all 3 lists and mike in an e-mail has addressed it, it justs adds space in the mail boxes" john-r says, "my feeling on the yahoo grp was years ago to have a public venue for any and all to join and trade ides" john-r says, "now that we have several owners, there has been very little spam" john-r says, "on the yahoo list" Greg says, "The Yahoo group shows up in the Yahoo space clubs listing, so it might possibly be a marketing tool." john-r says, "thats all from me on that" john-r says, "what greg saud" john-r says, "said" Greg says, "That's it's realy utility that I can see. Otherwise we duplicate all the services that Yahoo offers to an egroup." dcarson says, "without the ads" The housekeeper arrives to cart saavik off to bed. kokhmmm says, "Next topic" Arthur says, "Randall, did you see my note about Charles Radley's suggestion?" Severy-4 says, "Yes I did, Arthur" Arthur says, "Perhaps that fits under the transorbital general discussion (Michael, if you're leaving soon?)" kokhmmm says, "Arthur, I posted Radley's note in the January Review uploaded today, on page 8" Severy-4 says, "I don't know if we have the resources available at present to take on that kind of project, however" Severy-4 says, "Moving on to Lunar Directory" Severy-4 says, "Nothing from me to report in this area at this time, anything from your end, John?" Arthur says, "Right, it would take somebody essentially full time for some months " kokhmmm says, "I told Radley as much, Randall. But it might not be a bad idea to endorse it." dcarson reads the meeting agenda john-r says, "none for me at this time" Arthur says, "to do the fundraising" john-r says, "is there any way ro raise funds to pay someone to work on it ?? any ideas?" irs says, "If we have such ideas, John, we should have that fund-raiser working for US, first." Severy-4 says, "Self-funded fundraisers are the holy grail for non-profit organizations, but are incredibly hard to find" john-r says, "And any idea how the plantary soc does it, do they have a good level of funding available?" Greg says, "Where is Charles Radley's proposal posted? I don't see it." kokhmmm says, "I think we need to do some intense brainstorming on "leveraging" - we are too small to try anything else." Arthur says, "If their membership numbers are to be believed, Planetary Society has a few million in yearly revenue just from members..." Severy-4 says, "E-mail from Arthur to leaders list yesterday, Greg" john-r says, "good point Ian" Greg says, "Oh, right. The lunar radiometer." john-r says, "a few mill, gee" Arthur says, "But they send around little fundraising letters to their mailing list (former members such as myself included) too" Greg says, "I agree. We really don't have the resources to do this." john-r says, "yet" Severy-4 says, "Ok, moving on to Moon Society Flyer and Brochure" Severy-4 says, "Greg, Ian?" irs says, "Greg?" Greg says, "No progress here." irs says, "We're working on it." Severy-4 says, "I'm going to need some updated flyers in 2-3 months" Greg says, "Good answer!" Severy-4 says, "The Mid-Atlantic chapter has been asked to exhibit at the Rockville Science Day again this year, which is in April" Severy-4 says, "And ISDC is coming up at the end of May" Severy-4 says, "So I'll start bugging you two as we get closer :-)" kokhmmm says, "And Mars Convention in Chicago in August" Greg says, "Randall, good idea. :)" Severy-4 says, "Ok, moving on to Chapters Update" Arthur says, "I-CON here in March, I might attend again..." Severy-4 says, "Peter, anything to report?" Greg says, "(I'm holding out for the updated TLRC WSD. :)" Severy-4 says, "Ahh, I see, Greg! So if I upgrade that WSD installation you'll get me an updated flyer? " Greg says, "FWIW, the old flyers ain't broke; they're just kinda corny." Greg says, "Randall, it's a DEAL! :)" kokhmmm says, "Chapters. Ed Antrobus in Central New Jersey is still an Outpost of one but has posted a new webpage and is arranging an event." kokhmmm says, "Neil Durst has resigned as contact in Pittsburgh in hopes that the vacuum will generate a fresh volunteer." irs says, "Speaking of Chapters; I got e-mail yesterday from the publisher of one of Bob Zimmerman's books, offering him as a speaker for one of our meetings, talking about his book. I told her New York isn't much of a chapter yet. Anyone else interested? I can put you in contact." kokhmmm says, "I would like to concentrate on the holes in the map - the chapter map reminds one of aerogel!" dcarson says, "hes local in MD so we really need to get the midatlantic to meet with him" john-r says, "aerogel??" kokhmmm says, "Ian, St. Louis is ideal. Six active people and able to generate a crowd. Another choice is the BYU chapter in Provo, Utah" kokhmmm says, "How about contacting Ed Antrobus in Central New Jersey? His email address is antrobu2@tcnj.edu" Michael says, "bed time guys.... cya tomorrow" Michael goes home. Severy-4 says, "Ok, let's move on to "Helping with the India Contest"" Arthur says, "India contest next?" Severy-4 says, "What's that all about, Peter?" dcarson says, "Peter, have you heard that the posters made it to the guy in India? They should have but ups tracking seemed to get stuck after india customs" john-r says, "brb-dog needs out" kokhmmm says, "India contest. I sent the Leaders mail on this this afternoon. " kokhmmm says, "Here is the url that explains what I did http://www.geocities.com/amplanetary/moon_mission_contest.html" kokhmmm says, "They want to invite me to India for the kick-off Feb 27-28 but no can go. Anyone interested in taking my place?" Severy-4 says, "Do they pay travel expenses?" john-r says, "i whis i had the funds, but no go - bummer" kokhmmm says, "No one offered me a ticket or expenses. I can ask. If they did, I would have to find a clone as I will be in Honolulu then (on a free ticket from/with a friend)" kokhmmm says, "HI will be my 49th state. Only AK to go." irs says, "Wow! I counted recently, and came up with like 30, which surprised me. 49 is great!" irs says, "(Of course, AK was the 49th, and HI the 50th, so you've got them backwards.)" kokhmmm says, "Well, Ian, I wasn't born in DE either" Arthur says, "Only 30? I think I've been in every state except AK, HI, NV, ND, VT, and FL." Severy-4 says, "Anything else on the India contest tonight?" Arthur says, "And I grew up in Canada :-)" irs says, "Well, I've been in 3 of your missing 6." irs says, "Sorry, off-topic." dcarson says, "posters?" kokhmmm says, "India Contest - we need to talk about prizes, but we can wait until we see quality of entries, perhaps" Arthur says, "Outreach? Did everybody meet Robin?" john-r says, "not me" Arthur says, "dberlin in the Commons" Greg says, "Yes." Severy-4 says, "I met her earlier today" john-r says, "ahh thats who that is/was" Arthur says, "Greg, she said you'd already got her started on something? Care to tell us about it?" kokhmmm says, "What's her full name and full email address?" Arthur says, "In the email about Charles Radley's experiment, at the end" Arthur says, "Robin Berlin, robinberlin@c-gate.net" Arthur says, "She's not a member (yet) but husband is." Greg says, "Hmm... I think she was making an animated gif for James or Rose, but I'm not sure what it was for." Nancy-1 says, "I thought it was for a flyer?" Greg says, "And she was going to come up with proposed Moon Society logos and flyers." Greg says, "Yeah, what Nancy said." Arthur says, "Ah, great! " Arthur says, "Her husband's on the outreach team - anyway, I guess we'll see what she comes up with." john-r says, "tic toc, the sleep bell rang, and i did not here it, anything else for me?" Severy-4 says, "I'm running out of steam for the night as well, is there anything else on the agenda that is urgent for tonight?" Arthur says, "I should head to bed soon too..." kokhmmm says, "Bed sounds good to me to" john-r says, "just my raise , even if 3 time zero is sero, i need the raise :)" john-r says, "g'night all" kokhmmm says, "good night all. Why don't we cycle the agenda and pick up where we are leaving off next time?" john-r says, "membership is ALWAYS first tho" kokhmmm has disconnected. john-r has disconnected. Greg says, "Web Note: This page really, really needs a bail-out link: https://www.moonsociety.org/register/ccprocess.php3" Greg says, "(I think that's Scotty's page.)" Greg says, "G'night guys!" irs says, "OK. Good night, all." irs has disconnected. The housekeeper arrives to cart kokhmmm off to bed. The housekeeper arrives to cart john-r off to bed. Arthur has disconnected. Greg says, "looki" The housekeeper arrives to cart irs off to bed. Greg says, "Nancy cleaned out 10 of 21 NEW messages in Membership Services, and all 12 of the OPEN messages, during the meeting." The housekeeper arrives to cart Arthur off to bed. Greg has disconnected. Greg-1 has disconnected. The housekeeper arrives to remove Greg-1. Nancy-1 has disconnected. The housekeeper arrives to remove Nancy-1. The housekeeper arrives to cart Greg off to bed. Scottyg-1 has disconnected. The housekeeper arrives to remove Scottyg-1. MikeD arrives. MikeD says, "read log" MikeD says, "read loghmm" MikeD hmms. dcarson has reconnected. dcarson goes home. DaveW has disconnected. MikeD has disconnected. The housekeeper arrives to cart DaveW off to bed. The housekeeper arrives to cart MikeD off to bed. -- End log: Thursday, January 8, 2004 9:16:58 am ASI Meeting Server time --