-- Start log: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 9:19:05 pm ASI Meeting Server time --

saavik says, "ok, meeting called to order" saavik says, "and I think
Michael is up first" Michael-1 reads the meeting agenda
Michael-1 says, "looks like I have hte first few agenda items...." saavik
reads the meeting agenda
DaveW-2 reads the meeting agenda
saavik says, "go for it"
Michael-1 reads the meeting agenda
Michael-1 says, "ok, first, no update yet on the radiometer stuff.....
Charles is still working it." Michael-1 says, "2nd item: I assume everyone
saw the space show invitation I forwarded?" MikeD-1 says, "I saw it"
kokhmmm says, "Yes"
Michael-1 says, "ok, we need to decide who can/should do the show and what
they should say (if anything in particular)" saavik says, "I saw it"
MikeD-1 says, "Ian ususally does those" MikeD-1 says, "usually too"
Michael-1 says, "ok... any objections to just telling Ian to go handle it?"
Michael-1 says, ";-)"
irs says, "Ian is taking care of it."
MikeD-1 says, "cool"
Michael-1 says, "cool....."
Greg-1 says, "Sounds good to me!"
Michael-1 says, "next item: peter's positoin papers." Michael-1 says,
"positoin?"
Michael-1 says, "whatever..."
Severy-4 has arrived.
MikeD-1 says, "isn't positoin something they use in androids?" Severy-4
says, "Good evening, everyone!" Michael-1 says, "peter, I neglected to look
to see if there was an executive summary with that ot not. Is there?"
saavik says, "hey randall, on number 2" saavik says, "err 3"
kokhmmm says, "I sent latest draft URL for Moon Position Paper and first
draft URL for Hubble paper to the Leaders. Check your in box." Severy-4
says, "I just got home, and need a few moments to catch up" kokhmmm says,
"There is a summary for the Moon paper, the Hubble paper is short" saavik
will be right back.
Michael-1 says, "can we turn the summary into a press release?" saavik
says, "I need to switch computers" saavik has disconnected.
saavik has connected.
A transporter beam sparkles and saavik disappears With a sparkle of
transporter light, saavik appears saavik says, "back - is randall in charge
now?" Severy-4 says, "I'm still catching up, if you can keep things going
:-)" saavik says, "ok, I think michael was still up" Michael-1 says,
"sorry.... was fixing my dinner plate...." irs says, "Haven't had a chance
to read anything in a few days." Michael-1 says, "I guess what I was after
was a way of turning what Peter had in the paper into a press release.
Given the current atmosphere a release *will* get picked up by someone."
Greg-1 says, "Good idea."
Greg-1 says, "I don't see the URL for the moon position paper." Greg-1
says, "Or... is draft 3 the one?" kokhmmm says, "We could do that, if
everyone is okay with the wording.Arthur and I are finetuning one section.
http://www.lunar-reclamation.org/moonsoc_position_draft3.htm" Greg-1 says,
"Silly me."
irs says, "If I have to read it now, you're gonna have to give me a few
minutes to load up the web browser and then read it." Michael-1 says,
"sure.... when do you think we could finish it up?" kokhmmm says, "Tonight
or tomorrow am." Michael-1 says, "cool...."
saavik says, "shall we all go read now?" MikeD-1 says, "It's quite a long
piece Amy" kokhmmm says, "The main change is addition of summary and a few
wording changes and additions suggested by Arthur." saavik says, "nod, it
is very long"
saavik reads the meeting agenda
saavik says, "should we have a few of us go read while the meeting also
continues in the foreground? will take longer to read that way but that may
be ok" Michael-1 says, "yep"
Michael-1 reads the meeting agenda
MikeD-1 says, "can we handle other agenda items while we wait?" Michael-1
says, "I think so...."
Greg-1 says, "Yeah, everybody should read it carefully. We'll probably need
a few more drafts before it looks like a position paper." kokhmmm says,
"Meanwhile, on the president's Aldrige commision representation, I think
Spudis is the person we may have to work through" Michael-1 says, "I
suggest we all read it after hte meeting and comment by close of business
tomorrow" Greg-1 says, "What is the Aldridge commission?" Michael-1 says,
"well, i wasn't really talking about a *presentation*.... " MikeD-1 says,
"It would be good to time it's release before the Space Show interview"
Michael-1 says, "Greg, moontomars.org"
Michael-1 says, "Mike, yes."
saavik says, "by end of tomorrow soounds good" Michael-1 says, "Greg, its
the presidents overview commission for the new space strategy." saavik
says, "what is next then?"
MikeD-1 says, "how much before is another question" kokhmmm says, "You have
the opportunity to give input on moontomars.org" john-r is back and caught
up
Michael-1 says, "I'm planning to actually *go* to the one in Atlanta and
I'm curious what the society would like for me to communicate while I'm
there" MikeD-1 says, "I think while we wait for people to read this we
should only handle menial things" Greg-1 says, "Found it:
http://www.moontomars.org/ (The "www" is required.)" MikeD-1 says, "they
generally stream video all day Greg" kokhmmm says, "As to tomorrow, its
early to bed for me with a 6am flight to Honolulu Friday am, and then jet
lag for a day or two. So I may not be able to react to your collective
input right away." MikeD-1 says, "apart from the 3 hour lunchbreak" john-r
says, "wow, dayton is but 4 or 5 hrs from me, hummm." MikeD-1 says, "what's
the lag Peter? about 6 hours?" kokhmmm says, "no just 4 hours"
saavik says, "well, let's all agree to read it off line and give peter
input by ... when do you want it peter?" saavik says, "because we should
get to the rest of the agenda" saavik reads the meeting agenda
saavik says, "which is the moontomars? do you want us to send you with an
agenda of things michael?" Michael-1 says, "the rest of their meetings are
here:U.S. Air Force Museum, March 3-4, 2004" Michael-1 says, "Atlanta,
March 24-25, 2004" Michael-1 says, "San Francisco, April 15-16, 2004"
Michael-1 says, "New York, May 3-4, 2004 (Hayden Planetarium)" Michael-1
says, "Amy, yes.... .I'm willing to be at this meeting as a representative
of the societies so I would need direction...." Michael-1 says, "we have
time though"
Greg-1 reads the meeting agenda
saavik says, "maybe a small set of us should work on that michael?" MikeD-1
says, "So we draft Tim for San Fran, Ian for New York and Michael for
Atlanta?" john-r says, "if i can make the mar 4, i would need direction
also.." john-r says, "lets try to get me to the ohio??" Severy-4 says, "I
may be able to make the New York one" irs says, "How does one apply to
testify before the committee?" saavik wonders about NYC for her too
Michael-1 says, "I was also thiking of driving to Ohio...." saavik says,
"NYC is the closest for me I guess - unless there is a boston one"
Michael-1 says, "ian, I don't think you do..... I want to go so I can talk
to peole "in the hallways"" Michael-1 says, "I kind of doubt we'll be able
to get a represenative to actually testify...." Greg-1 says, "Do we have to
do anything to get invited to these hearings, or just show up?" Michael-1
says, "Greg, completley and utterly public" Michael-1 says, "Saddam Hussein
could go if he could get a pass out of hte jail he's in" saavik says,
"which means it may well be very crowded" Greg-1 says, "Yeah."
Michael-1 says, "amy, from the last one I doubt it..... people generally
don't go to these things...." Michael-1 says, "the view of the room showed
*lots* of empty chairs" Michael-1 says, "that may change but I doubt
it...." john-r says, "but it was the first, and us activists did not have
time to scramble" saavik says, "so the more of us that show up, the better"
Michael-1 says, "possibly"
dcarson says, "which means having a few of 'our' people there can be
useful" irs says, "Uh, I'm running on my usual slow connection. What's that
on www.moontomars.com?" saavik says, "well, I can't promise because that is
work-week bu t NYC is only 3 hours for me via train" Michael-1 says,
"people in commissions like that are impressed when people actually show up
to hear them...." MikeD-1 says, "The level of apparent public apathy
towards space is becoming quite glaringly obvious, I wonder to what extent
the government want it to appear that way" dcarson says, "thats the site
for the space commission " irs says, "I was thinking work-week, too. Gotta
see if I can take a day." irs says, "I thought Greg said www.moontomars.org?"
john-r says, "http://www.moontomars.org/" Greg-1 says, "Ian, public
hearings are listed here: http://www.moontomars.org/news/news.asp" irs
says, "Good. Thanks."
Michael-1 says, "ok, folk should check their calendars and see if tehy want
to go. I think we could probably use Peter's position paper as our "talking
points"...." Greg-1 says, "Do you expect that the public will have an
opportunity to talk?" Michael-1 says, "greg, usually no.... I'm just going
on the last meeting though" john-r says, "the orgina commission said to get
public input" saavik says, "ok, on calendar"

Michael-1 says, "john, it is.... but via the web site....."
Michael-1 says, "the actual meetings have pre-arranged speakers and
the commission asks questions....."

john-r says, "you mean the web site appears to be the only form of public
input?" Michael-1 says, "john, yes"
john-r says, "ahh and hummm"
Nancy-1 says, "Where was the last meeting, Michael?" john-r says, "so to
me, if Paul D. Spudis is our best conntact, who do we know that can call
himm on the phone ??? " Michael-1 says, "DC NASA offices"
Nancy-1 says, "TY"
MikeD-1 says, "According to their charter on
http://www.moontomars.org/about/charter.asp" MikeD-1 says, "The Commission
shall conduct occasional meetings as appropriate, including at various
locations throughout the United States to solicit views and opinions from
the public, academia, and industry." Michael-1 says, "ok, can we move onto
the next item?" john-r says, "yup"
Severy-4 says, "Yup"
MikeD-1 says, "fine by me"
Greg-1 says, "What do we want Paul Spudis to do?" Michael-1 says, "good
questoin...."
john-r says, "get us a time to have a speaker at one of the meetings is one
thought" Michael-1 says, "yep...."
john-r says, "in other words, one of us as a speaker" saavik says, "if NYC,
I vote for Ian :-)" john-r says, "yup"
Michael-1 says, "although he will have a heard time justifying us as
opposed to someone else. There are several other groups like us that ae
laying 'claim' to Paul" MikeD-1 says, "Being able to officially ask a
question or two wouldn't hurt either" Michael-1 says, "there is usually a
press conference period but its just for media" Michael-1 says, "Mike, I
don't think they're doing a QA style meeting" john-r says, "i will ask more
? on Paul in the leaders list, this could go on for hours :)" MikeD-1 says,
"which means Public Hearing means Public Hears!" saavik says, "well, Ian
could be media?" john-r says, "good one mike"
saavik says, "for artemis?"
saavik says, "magazine that is"
Michael-1 says, "probably......"
john-r says, "hey Ian for media as artemis mag" john-r says, "i was slow on
the type "
Michael-1 says, "folks need to remember this is a governmental commissoin
that live at the behest of hte president. Members run multi-billion dollar
companies. We need to be professional, succinct and clear." john-r says,
"maybe :)"
john-r says, "but agreed too"
irs says, "I am media. If there's a media Q&A session, I can attend (though
it does mean time off from the day-job). And if we can get a representative
to actually testify, I think I'm it. How do we do so?" Michael-1 says,
"ian, probably ask Paul or contact the commission directly...." john-r
says, "work work work on it in the leaders list, we have some time, not
alot" Michael-1 says, "their snail mail address is on the site...." MikeD-1
says, "http://www.moontomars.org/notices/contact.asp" Michael-1 says, "yep"
Michael-1 says, "yep.... lets hash this out on the leaders list and move
on..." irs says, "I'll try to contact the commission. Is Paul both a member
of the commission and of the Moon Society? Is that what I'm missing?"
Greg-1 says, "I just sent 'em the question: Will the public be able to ask
questions or make comments at the public hearings?" MikeD-1 says, "Could we
compile a list of questions and comments to email to them and do so" saavik
reads the meeting agenda
Michael-1 reads the meeting agenda
saavik says, "michael, if you want to move the agenda, you are up next
again" MikeD-1 says, "making sure that each of us asks a different and well
thought out question?" saavik wonders when randall takes over
Michael-1 says, "after this one...."
Michael-1 says, "ok, we're going to move on...." Greg-1 says, "We're on the
"Return to the Moon" topic?" Michael-1 says, "SFF has asked us how we'd
like to participate in the upcoming RTTM. This is hush hush but it looks
like James Cameron will be there." Michael-1 says, "Greg, yea"
Michael-1 says, "and several of hte commissoin members will also be there."
Greg-1 says, "Amazing."
Michael-1 says, "SFF is asking us to promote, co-brand and help find
speakers." Greg-1 says, "Of course."
Severy-4 says, "Michael seems to be keeping things moving just fine without
me :-)" Michael-1 says, "I'm suggesting that we do one better and provide a
little money so that we can claima prominent position...." irs says,
"Wasn't the last RTTM canceled? When/where are they planning for this one?"
Michael-1 says, "las vegas"
saavik says, "nod, true but you can take over for me anyway :-)" Greg-1
says, "I haven't heard beans from SFF in years, so it would be good to know
who we're talking about. Who contacted whom about what?" john-r says, "i do
not think Paul is a mo soc member, i can ck if you want" Michael-1 says,
"July 16-18"
Michael-1 says, "Greg, Manny Pim contacted me directly" Greg-1 says, "OK.
Who is Manny Pim? I haven't had the honor." Michael-1 says, "mainly because
I'm in regular contact with several SFF members." Michael-1 says, "Manny
handled the RTTM last year." Greg-1 says, "So, the key question is: Do we
Return to Las Vegas?" Greg-1 says, "He's the chairman?"
Michael-1 says, "I think so...."
Greg-1 says, "(Which, adimittedly, is a lot like returning to the moon.)"
Michael-1 says, "Greg, I think we have to.... we're so disingaged right now
that if we don't at least do that then I suggest we just pack up and give
up." john-r says, "Michael, if we spend some, do we at least have a chance
of a cash return, if if the ret to the moon conf went well??" irs says,
"When in Las Vegas?"
Michael-1 says, "July 16-18"
john-r says, "and any round numbers to look at like a thousand or do we
mean 5 ooo??" Greg-1 says, "Heh. I wouldn't put that much weight on it,
Michael. The last time we evaluated the results of the RTTM conference, it
seemed that we invested lots of time and money for zero results. Just the
same bunch of guys talking about the same stuff to each other." irs says,
"Mensa Annual Gathering is in Las Vegas 30 June-5 July. Too bad they're at
different times." john-r says, "or 5,000"
Michael-1 says, "john, I think if we put in about a grand that we'd make
that up in new memberships within a year" Arthur arrives.
Greg-1 says, "However, this new President's Commission could change the
value of it." Arthur says, "Hi all - sorry to be late again" Arthur reads
the meeting agenda
john-r says, "Hi Arthur"
irs says, "I have to echo Greg's view. The two I attended didn't seem to
have more than 100 attendees, and probably 25-50% of them were also
presenters of some sort. Didn't strike me as very important or useful."
john-r says, "we are on Return to the moon (conference in Las Vagas)"
Greg-1 says, "I've been to many of these, and seen the same presentations
many times." Michael-1 says, "ian, form what Manny has said this one will
be different." Arthur says, "SFF conference?"
kokhmmm says, "It is (financially) an elitist conference." Michael-1 says,
"Arthur, yes"
Arthur says, "The "Return to the Moon" bulletin board at sff.org has been
busy lately" saavik says, "I agree it was not what I expected either"
Michael-1 says, "peter, financially elitist? How so?" Greg-1 says, "Yes, it
is that -- financially rewarding for a few folks." kokhmmm says, "Cost of
registration, to keep the scum out" irs says, "Michael, it is easy to SAY
it's going to be different. Is he doing anything different? (Like an
affordable registration rate? advertising? and so on)" Arthur says, "Sorry,
space-frontier.org: http://www.space-frontier.org/Boards/MoonBase/""
Michael-1 says, "ian, if he doesn't then we back out......" Michael-1 says,
"if we don't do RTTM, is there one that we should do?" Greg-1 says, "(You
might recall that I was the chairman of the first RTTM that SFF held.)"
kokhmmm says, "We should do ISDC.TheMars society is a regular cosponsor and
we should be too." Michael-1 says, "greg, yep.... IIRC that's the one I was
at too" Greg-1 says, "I tend to lean toward Peter's reasoning on that. The
ISDC is less a case of all marketing and no product." Michael-1 says, "I
think we should figure out how to make it a success rather than simply give
up" Greg-1 says, "Michael, yup, that was the one." Arthur says, "Anybody
who wants to talk at ISDC, let me know, I'll put you on the schedule"
Greg-1 says, "ISDC... when and where?"
Arthur says, "May 27-31, Oklahoma City" Michael-1 says, "so we don't want
to do RTTM?" Greg-1 says, "(Maybe ISDC oughtta be an agenda item here.)"
Severy-4 says, "I think I'm already on the schedule for ISDC" irs says,
"Dana, is that Balticon weekend? After Boskone this weekend, I'm thinking
about doing Balticon this year." Michael-1 reads the meeting agenda
Severy-4 says, "Yes, it's Balticon weekend, darnit" Severy-4 says,
"Memorial Day weekend"
kokhmmm says, "It's possible I can show up at OC but just for one day, Fri
or Sat" saavik says, "well, is RTTM dead for sure? could be cool but it
wasn't last time..." dcarson says, "Memorial Day Weekend May 28 - 31, 2004"
dcarson says, "Guest of Honor:"
dcarson says, "Lois McMaster Bujold"
dcarson says, "Artist Guest of Honor:"
dcarson says, "Dave Seeley"
dcarson says, "Music Guest of Honor:"
dcarson says, "Heather Alexander"
irs says, "Looks like Maryland for me (if I'm going anywhere)." Michael-1
says, "RTTM might have been dead before but if it isn't this time then we
loose out." Greg-1 says, "I might be able to make Oklahoma City, too. It's
only 3.5 hours from here." dcarson says, "I'm running science track
although Pat Kely had it basically done before his heart attack" dcarson
says, "ca you fid out details on what they want, what rates will be etc?"
Greg-1 says, "Aw, darn! It conflicts with Balticon? :(" irs says, "How fast
do you drive, Greg?" Michael-1 says, "dana, what do you mean by rates?
individual conference rates?" Severy-4 says, "Yeah, Greg, it sucks that
I'll miss the one in my own backyeard" Severy-4 says, "backyard, rather"
saavik says, "I thought you were in NY Greg?" Greg-1 says, "Going to ISDC,
Randall?"
Greg-1 says, "Yeah, Balticon is one of the best, if not THE best." Severy-4
says, "Yup, I'm planning to be there, Greg" Greg-1 says, "I'm slippery.
Right now I'm in Texas." Greg-1 says, "The revenooers will never catch me!
:)" dcarson says, "yes, what will registration for RTTM be, that tells if
they intend to open it up" saavik says, "lol"
Michael-1 says, "dana, that will probably be dependent on what kind of
sponsors (i.e. people like us) they get.... " Michael-1 says, "I'll get
details on the RTTM finances, etc and get back to youguys" Greg-1 says,
"Thanks, Michael."
saavik reads the meeting agenda
saavik hands the gavel to randall
john-r says, "TY Michael"
Greg-1 says, "(We're down to #6, the point system.)" Michael-1 says, "yep..
.all randalls now" john-r says, "yep"
Severy-4 says, "I don't have anything new on the Point System for tonight,
unless someone else has something to contribute on that item" Michael-1
reads the meeting agenda
Severy-4 says, "If not, let's move on to Merchandise Production" Severy-4
says, "And back to Michael :-)" saavik says, "do we plan to implement it"
saavik says, "(the points that is)"
saavik says, "randall was too fast for me" Michael-1 says, "I sent account
info around to a cafepress shop for the society...." john-r says, "on point
sys, its still in discussion" Severy-4 says, "Yes, I think so, Amy, we just
haven't had a chance to develop our own lists, which I guess I need to
start" saavik says, "ahh ok"
john-r says, "if i understood the leaders e-mail on cafe press, we can have
only one logo and one item, and more items then has a fixed cost of some
sort??" Michael-1 says, "john, yes..... one logo per item... you can have
multiple logos but only one "white tshirt"..... thats for the free version.
To go up to premium is $5 per month." john-r says, "ahhh, thats what i
needed" Michael-1 says, "I'm not looking for a decision right now.... just
wanted to get you guys up to speed so you can understand how easy this is."
Greg-1 says, "Michael, is that $5 per month per item, or just $5 per
month?" Michael-1 says, "$5 per month"
john-r says, "any sales yet :)"
Michael-1 says, "john, yes.... greg bought several ;-" john-r says, "hes no
count tho :)"
dcarson says, "if you do a year at a time, $6.95 if a month at a time"
Greg-1 says, "That's not too bad, though obviously we'd have to expect that
net revenues would have to exceed $5 a month for it to be worhtwhile to do
any venture beyond yours." Michael-1 says, "dana, correct."
Greg-1 does too count! Does too! Does too! john-r says, "ok ok - i am sorry
:)"
john-r says, "i for got where i was "
Michael-1 says, "ok.... that's it for me.... please go play with it, upload
some graphics, etc..." kokhmmm has disconnected.
john-r says, "Peter said he might do that" john-r says, "bad connections or
something" Michael-1 says, "ok... its all about randall now" Greg-1 says,
"Michael, does that mean we're ready for Membership Services?" Severy-4
says, "Ok, let's move on to Membership Services" Michael-1 says, "greg, yep"
Nancy-1 says, "There were 4 renewals. " Nancy-1 says, "Missy needs some
writen instructions on how to check for seniors and students. " Severy-4
says, "There was a question raised earlier today about whether we are
sending out snail-mail renewal reminders. Are we?" Nancy-1 says, "I know
Missy is not doing that." The housekeeper arrives to cart kokhmmm off to
bed. kokhmmm has arrived.
Nancy-1 says, "That's all I have from this end on Membership Services."
Severy-4 says, "Umm, then what happened to the snail-mail renewal
reminders?" irs says, "Nancy, do you mean to see if someone qualifies for a
senior/student discount, or only if someone claims such." saavik says, "ok,
I object to the spaghetti top unless it is what greg bought ;-) I want
women's clothes that are not revealing" Nancy-1 says, "Randall, Missy was
never told about snail mail renewal reminders." Nancy-1 says, "Was someone
else doing them?" Nancy-1 says, "Ian, no. Someone asked last week about how
many seniors and students were members." Greg-1 says, "Amy, no, I bought
two T-shirts and two hats. No spaghetti straps." john-r says, "Ian- i think
Nancy was refering to my question last week on knowing how many
new/renewals were senor/students" saavik says, "lol - so michael how do we
get some of the new logos in the right format?" Severy-4 says, "Oops, I
think snail-mail reminders fell through the cracks somehow, I thought that
was part of the membership services processing" kokhmmm has disconnected.
Greg-1 says, "Randall, I suspect it could be. We would have to provide
appropriate tools and instructions." Greg-1 says, "... and add it to
whatever Missy's contract is supposed to be." john-r says, "and additional
time and funds, most likley" irs says, "Ah, OK. 'cause I was gonna say that
we don't have to bother with those discounts unless the new member claims
one of them." Severy-4 says, "Uggh, I thought it *was* in the contract
already" Nancy-1 says, "Randall, it was never mentioned to Missy." Greg-1
says, "Come to think of it, we never did come up with a contract for
Missy." Severy-4 says, "It was in the contract with James, I had assumed we
were just transferring the same duties" Severy-4 says, "Sheesh, how did
something like that go unnoticed for so long :-(" saavik says, "I thougth
we were doing email reminders unless they didn't have them?" dcarson says,
"I'm a life member, I don't expect to get an notice" Severy-4 says, "We had
long discussions in the past about doing both e-mail and snail-mail
reminders" kokhmmm has connected.
Greg-1 says, "My guess: Somehow we were relying on me to handle getting
Missy set up, but nobody handled getting me set up. I've not been in the
membership services loop for years'n'years." saavik says, "ooh, amy added a
golf shirt" Severy-4 says, "And worked out a schedule for both, and then I
guess it was all overlooked :-(" Severy-4 says, "And I guess Scotty isn't
around so we can't ask him what happened" Greg-1 says, "Yeah. Actually,
Scotty was never in charge of membership services, either, so we have the
same problem there. Comm dropout." Arthur says, "Scotty wasn't in charge?
Scotty knew a lot more about it than I did!" Severy-4 says, "Scotty was the
liaison with Jennifer Day, we found someone else specifically because she
didn't want to do snail-mail reminders any more" Greg-1 says, "Randall,
right now, does Team Director automagically send the email notices?" Arthur
says, "I seem to recall Peter was suggesting he could help with reminders
via MMM - did we ever get anywhere with that?" kokhmmm says, "I did
reminders once, by separate letter. I can circle members about to expire or
circle their expiration date" Severy-4 says, "Yes, Team Director
automagically sends out e-mail notices" kokhmmm says, "I don't handle the
mailing, but I'll try to get the person who handles the MMM labels to take
a red pen to approaching expriation dates" dcarson says, "so whos going to
see what is in the contract and make sure Missy gets it?" Greg-1 says,
"While we're at it, we need to make sure that Missy can handle the
increased workload." Greg-1 says, "She's getting married in June." john-r
says, "Greg se
http://www.moonsociety.org/private/board/contracts/membership-processing-contract_2.html
its the contract for james , and needs up dated" Greg-1 says, "Who has
materials for snail-mailing reminders?" saavik is getting sleepy
saavik reads the meeting agenda
john-r says, "no sleep for the valcans, new rule of law :)" Severy-4 says,
"Yup, that's the contract I assumed everything was being based on, a bad
assumption I guess" john-r says, "Missy has been working since what- last
oct??" Severy-4 says, "At one point Jennifer Day had those materials, I
assume Scotty knows what happened to them" saavik says, "I'm heading off to
bed folks - see you online tomorrow" Saavik heads back to the Enterprise
for the night john-r says, "nite"
Greg-1 says, "G'night, Amy1"
saavik says, "G'night!"
saavik has disconnected.
MikeD-1 says, "the wording needs to be modified to stipulate snail mail as
well as email" Greg-1 says, "Yeah, it really needs to be completely
updated." john-r says, "Randall do you want to e-mail Scotty on this, or me
or greg or who?? to see what he knows" Severy-4 says, "Greg has asked
Scotty already" john-r says, "ok"
Greg-1 says, "Yeah, we'll find out."
john-r says, "my at who says Scotty is in this room" Michael-1 blinks
Greg-1 says, "S'okay, I can catch up with Scotty and find out what's going
on." The housekeeper arrives to cart saavik off to bed. kokhmmm reads the
meeting agenda
Severy-4 says, "Ok, lets move on to the flyer and brochure" Greg-1 says, "I
think that's about all we can do for membership services right now. I'll
see if I can find out what's going on." Severy-4 says, "Anything new to
report, Greg or Ian?" Greg-1 says, "GMTA"
Greg-1 says, "Nothing new on the flyer." Severy-4 says, "Any prospects for
progress in the near future? We're running out of time..." Greg-1 says,
"Define 'running out of time'. :)" Severy-4 says, "Rockville Science Day is
on April 18th, ISDC is Memorial Day Weekend" irs says, "Greg, I want your
input on it, adn while I can't do it in the next few hours even if I hear
from you right now, I can handle it by myself if you'd prefer." dcarson
says, "as is Balticon"
Greg-1 says, "So, "out of time" is 2 months from now, minus the time it
takes to print up some stuff." Severy-4 says, "Yup"
Greg-1 says, "Ian, no worries. I have the action item to do the flyer." irs
says, "OK, just checking."
Severy-4 says, "At this point, seeing as it is now 11 pm EST, I'd like to
throw open the rest of the agenda" Scottyg-1 says, "Greg and Nancy, I
specifically requested that Mi9ssy be supplied a copy of the Membership
Services Contract that sets forth all the tasks expected. So far as I knew,
that had been done." Severy-4 says, "Is there any specific item remaining
on the agenda that someone wishes to discuss tonight?" dcarson reads the
meeting agenda
Nancy-1 says, "Gosh, Scotty, she never got anything like that." Scottyg-1
says, "That was a Greg task." dcarson hands Scotty the rolled newspaper
kokhmmm says, "I've been sounding out the American Lunar Society on some
joint project ideas. Nothing definite to report yet." irs says, "Never
heard of them. Guess their publicity is about as good as ours." Scottyg-1
says, "There's a copy of the original contract right here. Say "read
contract" to see it." kokhmmm says, "www.americanlunarsociety.org" Greg-1
says, "Scotty, we have it. It's on the board directory." kokhmmm says,
"they are a moon observers group, smaller than us." irs says, "ah"
Nancy-1 says, "I read it, Scotty. "
kokhmmm says, "Have to go! Good night all. I'll be thinking of you from
Waikiki!" dcarson says, "have fun"
kokhmmm has disconnected.
irs says, "I, too, am going to have to get going. Anything else I'm needed
for?" Scottyg-1 says, "The second version we did for James has a few
changes, but I think nothing of great substance." Michael-1 goes home.
john-r says, "i think i need to sleep, so much to think about, good
meeting" john-r says, "night"
Greg-1 says, "Yup. As I recall, the last we spoke of it to Missy was last
October, when we said we would have to update it for her. I don't remember
what we said about sending renewal notices, but I know that we had agreed
she would not be doing them." john-r has disconnected.
Greg-1 says, "I don't remember why that was. That night we were focused on
learning the electronic part of it." Greg-1 says, "It might be that at the
time we had decided not to send paper notices." The housekeeper arrives to
cart kokhmmm off to bed. Greg-1 says, "We discussed it, but I don't
remember the results of that conversation." Severy-4 says, "I don't think I
was a part of that conversation, the last I remember on the subject was
that we thought it was important to do paper notices" Greg-1 says,
"Randall, yes, but that was very recently." Severy-4 says, "That was the
original reason we had to find someone other than Jennifer Day" Greg-1
says, "When it came up, I was assuming that Somebody Else was doing the
paper notices." Severy-4 looks around for Somebody Else :-) Greg-1 says,
"LOL"
Greg-1 says, "Paper notices were the only reason that Jennefir quit?"
Severy-4 says, "Jennifer didn't quit, she refused to do paper notices, so
we felt we needed to find someone else to take over" Greg-1 says, "Hmm... I
recall that she had stopped doing anything at all, and memberships were
going unprocessed." The housekeeper arrives to cart john-r off to bed.
Greg-1 says, "Or maybe I'm confusing that with the more recent situation."
Severy-4 says, "I think that was the more recent situation" Scottyg-1 says,
"I don't recall any agreement that she would not be sending renewal
notices. After all, that was the reason we cancelled the contract with
Jennifer." Greg-1 says, "Yeah, but at the time we brought Missy on board,
the situation had changed." irs says, "Dana, if you haven't seen it, in the
Information Requests mailbox is a message from Hal Haag trying to get hold
of you. It's dated a week or two ago, but the newest in the queue." Greg-1
says, "So, we still have to deal with paper notices." Scottyg-1 says, "It
was my understanding that the arrangement with Missy was to be the same as
called out in the 2nd contract." Scottyg-1 says, "That contract simply
needed to have her name substituted for James and perhaps yours for mine
for the signatures." Greg-1 says, "There were several items we had agreed
to change. I'll have to look through the thing and see if I can remember
what. But I'm sure that not sending renewal notices was on that list."
Greg-1 says, "I have my notes around here somewhere. Trouble is, they've
been packed and moved too many times." dcarson says, "taken care of Ian,
I'm taking over since Pat Kelly died" Greg-1 says, "Not that it matters; we
can only start from where we are. And where we are is that Missy didn't
even know we thought she was doing that. She doesn't have any materials for
it, either." irs says, "OK, just noted the open thread. Sorry to hear about
Pat." MikeD-1 says, "I'm going to bed"
MikeD-1 says, "goodnight all"
MikeD-1 has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to remove MikeD-1. dcarson says, "suden heart
attack"
Greg-1 says, "James dumped some boxes of stuff on me. They were a big pile
of disorganized paper, so maybe the materials are lurking in there."
dcarson says, "if you are comint to balticon want to be on the big panel on
the new space plan?" irs says, "We'll be deciding definitely in the next
few days. I'll let you know as soon as I know. But yeah, if I'll be there,
I'm available to be on whatever panel you want (though I'll also be trying
to get a dealers' room table)." irs says, "I'm gonna have to get going.
It's 11:30, so good night, folks." dcarson says, "gnight"
irs has disconnected.
DaveW-2 leaves.
Arthur says, "Hmm, bedtime for me too"
Arthur leaves.
The housekeeper arrives to cart irs off to bed. Greg-1 says, "read 63 on
recorder"
Greg-1 says, "Well, that didn't work."

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