-- Start log: Wednesday, May 5, 2004 9:10:22 pm ASI Meeting Server time --

dcarson says, "helo"
saavik says, "Hi Dana"
DaveW-2 arrives.
saavik says, "do we have quorum yet?"
dcarson says, "we have 4"
MikeD-1 says, "no, nowhere near a quorum" MikeD-1 says, "2 of those don't
count towards a quorum" DaveW-2 reads the meeting agenda
DaveW-2 says, "good evening everyone"
MikeD-1 says, "hi"
saavik says, "well, we'll just keep waiting for quorum then" dcarson reads
the meeting agenda
kokhmmm has arrived.
saavik reads the meeting agenda
kokhmmm says, "Hi, everyone"
saavik says, "especially since we are missing people for all of the top few
items" dcarson says, "hi peter"
kokhmmm reads the meeting agenda
dcarson says, "Ian, you want to email me a uptodate subscription form to
copy and put out at Balticon?" kokhmmm has disconnected.
saavik says, "oops, there goes peter"
kokhmmm has connected.
kokhmmm says, "moon-leaders"
irs says, "Haven't updated it recently, but I'll send you what I've got. It
should be a WordPerfect file. What's your preference?" john-r arrives.
john-r says, "Hi All"
kokhmmm has disconnected.
dcarson says, "appleworks, somewhat older word, rtf, most anything "
dcarson says, "Appleworks has converters for many formats" irs says, "pdf?"
dcarson says, "that works "
irs says, "I think I can translate it fairly easily into pdf." irs says,
"OK. Thanks."
Severy-5 has arrived.
Severy-5 says, "Good evening, everyone!" saavik says, "hi Randall"
john-r says, "Hi Randall"
saavik says, "meeting hasn't started - we;ve been waiting on quorum"
Severy-5 says, "No problem. I'm going to be a bit distracted tonight, I've
got something to finish up for NSS by tomorrow morning" The housekeeper
arrives to cart kokhmmm off to bed. kokhmmm has arrived.
kokhmmm says, "Sorry, lost my connection and ended up having to reboot"
john-r says, "wb"
dcarson says, "we have John and Randall, we could start #3" saavik hands
the gavel to Randall
john-r says, "Randall may be distracted" saavik hmms.
saavik says, "well, I am too - should we just decide to adjourn without
quorum?" john-r rolls finers on desk top :)
john-r says, "fingers"
kokhmmm says, "Looks like we may have a good contest for the Board this
year. We have eight candidates so far." kokhmmm says, "Is that the number
you have, Amy?" john-r says, "Who are they, and would it be a good thing if
we had a page with therir names in the members only area?" irs reads the
meeting agenda
kokhmmm says, "Is anyone going to Oklahoma City (ISDC)? me, John, Randall,
Arthur?" john-r says, "I am sorry, but the winter has not been well for
income, so its not looking good for me" Severy-5 just made his plane
reservations for ISDC a few minutes ago kokhmmm says, "DIRECTORS (4 slots)"
kokhmmm says, "Gregory R. Bennett - #1" kokhmmm says, "Steve Jackson - #154"
kokhmmm says, "Peter Kokh - #239"
kokhmmm says, "Robert Scott Gammenthaler - #393" kokhmmm says, "Michael
Mealling) - #579" kokhmmm says, "Frederick J. Hitt - #701" kokhmmm says,
"David G. Schrunk - #793" kokhmmm says, "Gary Grey - #941"
john-r says, "i have a bit of hope"
john-r says, "but not at all sure"
Severy-5 says, "Are you going, Peter?"
dcarson says, "Apparently next years ISDC might be in DC" kokhmmm says, "I
have paid my registration. Transportation and hotel are the big ifs."
kokhmmm says, "I am supposed to be on at least two chapter activist panels
and one panel of Arthur's" saavik says, "eight?"
kokhmmm says, "Jeez, it's quiet in here! MMM publishing problem. We have
negotiated down our printer's steep price raise to the point that if we cut
out the two Review issues, we can keep the price per year the same."
kokhmmm says, "Amy, I listed those I have just above." MikeD-1 says, "how
much was the price rise?" MikeD-1 says, "percentage wise?"
john-r says, "and how much does it tranlate to to each member?" john-r
says, "with all 12 issues"
MikeD-1 says, "I'm wondering if someone else is in a position to get a
better printing rate and act as a vendor" MikeD-1 says, "but then you have
to consider the reliability factor" kokhmmm says, "Mike, from 75 cents to
1.25 per issue. We got it down to 1.04. Add to that postage, annual bulk
mail permit fees and other costs that have to be factored in, we are at
1.40 an issue cost. At ten issues, we are 40 cents a year under our former
12 issue cost. Moon Society is paying $1 so is getting it at under cost."
kokhmmm says, "We welcome someone looking into printing options. " MikeD-1
says, "that was a 66% price hike, what was their excuse?" kokhmmm says, "I
don't mind dropping the two Review issues, but am adamantly opposed to
going bi-monthly. !) a year minimum." MikeD-1 says, "where !) = 10"
kokhmmm says, "Their excuse is that they were not budgeting in their
service costs on their machines. It was/is a one man operation." kokhmmm
says, "Yes 10"
dcarson says, "have you gotten any other quotes to see if they're in line
with those" kokhmmm says, "Tghe $1.04 cost also means only plain paper,
dropping the heavier grey cover sheet and the blue centerfold. Sigh!"
MikeD-1 says, "and your little monthly run is responsible for all his
service issues because you're a smaller client and he either wants more
money from you or wants you to go somewhere else" kokhmmm says, "All the
other quotes we have gotten are substantially higher!" kokhmmm says,
"Actually, we are one of his biggest clients." MikeD-1 says, "I never
received one with a heavy green cover sheet" kokhmmm says, "Grey, not
green, and only slightly grey, 60 lb paper, not 20 lb" MikeD-1 says, "ok,
that an operation the size of yours constitutes one of his " MikeD-1 says,
"larger customes"
MikeD-1 says, "is kinda scary"
MikeD-1 says, "I really need to sit properly at the desk" kokhmmm says,
"Yup, and probably why we got such a good break in the first place."
MikeD-1 says, "but now the bank is into him for money and his accountant is
pushing the issue" kokhmmm says, "At a current count of 230 copies, we are
no longer in a position to get economy of scale price breaks." kokhmmm
says, "Yes, his accountant!"
MikeD-1 says, "where does the next price break come in?" kokhmmm says,
"Actually, what we need is a sugar daddy sponsor who will pick up the tab
for printing. Some non-profits have found such breaks. But so far, we
haven't." kokhmmm says, "Mike, I don't know. All I know is that we have
gone down steadily from 780 to 230 in the past 3+ years." MikeD-1 says,
"roughly the same number of members the Moon Society has lost over the same
period" kokhmmm says, "Yes, but we've lost two NSS chapters, and our
biggest, OASIS (Los Angeles) is down from 109 to 39 - they made us optional
after our last increase" MikeD-1 says, "so part of the problem is that
while you have to deal with inflation the societies have refused to
index-link their dues so they can't afford to pay and they can't afford a
big hike to bring them into line with inflation either" Michael arrives.
Michael says, "hi guys.... just got back from a business basics course
meeting....." kokhmmm says, "Michael, that's what we've been talking about
- business basics." Michael says, "oh? hehe... the secret is 'sales!'"
MikeD-1 says, "yeah, well sales would help" Michael reads the meeting agenda
MikeD-1 says, "you sell nada, you earn nada" john-r says, "Michael anyting
on Lunar Radiometer Fundraising Project?" MikeD-1 says, "anyting on Lunar
Radiometer at all?" dcarson says, "wish we'd get a few sales for the Moon
Society Cafe Press site" Michael [to is]: working up a formal proposal for
us. I saw an advanced copy but it didn't have the exact proposal for how
money actually flowed and who payed for what. Michael says, "TO is working
up a formal proposal for us. I saw an advanced copy but it didn't have the
exact proposal for how money actually flowed and who payed for what."
kokhmmm says, "Dana, I bought two items" Michael says, "I told them our
main concern was making sure we preserved our 501c3 status and that meant
having to know clearly how the funds would be collected and who they would
flow to." john-r says, "Was there anyting in the proposal to pay for our
costs?? attorney accountants ect..." john-r says, "etc..."
Michael says, "john, there was nothing like that level of detail in it,
which is why I turned it back around to them to give us that detail."
john-r says, "ok"
Michael says, "hmmm....cafepress appears to be broked." saavik heads out
saavik has disconnected.
Michael says, "ok, who broke it!"
dcarson says, "broke how?"
Michael says, "can't login and no shops are showing up.... you just get a
'doh!' error page saying try again latter." john-r says, "even cafe's home
page is busted" Michael says, "there it goes"
dcarson says, "I can get to it from here" dcarson says, "latest worm take
out a route from you?" Michael says, "nope... this was an honest to god
error from cafepress...." dcarson says, "maybe they've got hit and are
unstable" Michael says, "http://cafeshops.com/rocketforge/223829 <-- new
fun stuff" kokhmmm says, "http://www.cafeshops.com/moonsociety works for
me. Just tried it." Michael says, "yep... things seem fine now..... "
Michael says, "dangit... the agenda is locked by Greg." Michael reads the
meeting agenda
The housekeeper arrives to cart saavik off to bed. Michael says, "I think
I'm going to head to bed myself..... its been a freakingly long day."
john-r says, "maybe we all tried to go there at once" john-r says, "and
blew a fuse"
MikeD-1 says, "your server was unreachable for a little while tonight too
John" john-r says, "really?"
john-r says, "how long, any idea?"
MikeD-1 says, "yeah, now idea how long it was unreachable though" john-r
says, "i did notice yesterday, some additional lag" dcarson says, "
http://www.foge.org/"
dcarson says, "kids orieneted space group" kokhmmm says, "Meanwhile, I need
to light a bomb under my but. Haven't started the May issue yet and am
still comitted to one more position paper. Probably spring fever." kokhmmm
says, "You know how to define spring fever? It's when the iron in your
blood turns to lead in your butt." MikeD-1 says, "I've never quite
experienced that kind of spring fever" john-r says, "LOL"
john-r says, "lead does melt at a low temp" john-r says, "but sitting is
not enough heat build up" kokhmmm says, "Actually, I've been very busy,
opening up my northwoods cottage, and with garden projects around the
house, but not on the computer." john-r says, "foge had a spot in the ny
moon to mars meeting, iirc" john-r says, "then the lead is gone, and you
only need a change in direction" kokhmmm says, "foge.org seems to be a
local Maryland outfit" dcarson says, "given different membership targts it
should be possible to work with them to mutual benefit" Michael says,
"yep... I was really wondering why they got picked to be on there and we
didn't." john-r says, "see http://www.foge.org/summer_camps/summer_camps.htm"
MikeD-1 says, "who do they know?"
kokhmmm says, "John, I guess you're right. I work in spurts, a spurt on
this, followed by a one track spurt on that, etc." dcarson says, "they are
based in the DC beltway area, I assume they have board members with
contacts"

Michael says, "I think they're local to the NYC area....."
Michael says, "that too....."

dcarson says, "http://www.foge.org/aboutus/boardmembers.htm" john-r says,
"camps in colorado"
john-r says, "and vig"
john-r says, "and penn"
kokhmmm says, "speaking of Board Members, where are our missing crew
members?" kokhmmm says, "John, I got a good start on my 1:10 scale moonbase
model, and then dropped it for other things. Finishing it is doubtful (for
ISDC)" kokhmmm says, "And finding a way to get it there, even more
doubtful" john-r says, "i have been side tracked on my moddel/and full size
by the moon to mars comm" john-r says, "Randall is sidetracked with a NSS
commitment due in the morning, arthur? greg? scotty?" kokhmmm says, "John,
you going to Mars Convention in Chicago? I am registered." john-r says, "I
wolud like to, its in aug??" john-r says, "and closer than okla"
kokhmmm says, "Yes, third weekend. Its cheap for me (member and senior) but
otherwise pricey." Severy-5 says, "Peter, if you make it to ISDC could you
bring the moonbase diorama?" john-r says, "i what is it 250"
Severy-5 says, "I'll have a Moon Society exhibit there" Greg arrives amidst
thundering applause. kokhmmm says, "Randall, hopefully yes, but no
promises. If I come by Greyhound, I will have to check and see if I can
bring it along at no cost." Severy-5 says, "Ahh, speaking of missing crew
members!" Greg says, "Indeed."
Severy-5 says, "Understood, Peter"
john-r will be right back.
Nancy arrives.
kokhmmm says, "Randall, if I come by car (rental car pool with Chicago
members) I may not have room for it." Severy-5 says, "Ok"
kokhmmm says, "I am leaning toward the bus as cheaper than 1/3 car
expenses." irs says, "Am I going to be needed for anything tonight? I'm
thinking slightly earlier to bed might not be such a bad thing." Severy-5
says, "Ahh, I didn't even see you lurking, Ian!" Severy-5 says, "Ian, did
you get my e-mail about the Artemis Project powerpoint presentation and
display materials?" Severy-5 says, "I leave for ISDC in three weeks (hint,
hint) :-)" irs says, "Sounds passingly familiar, but I've been kind of...
obsessed... with other things (including my e-mail). See if I can get a
chance to look after I return from this weekend." irs says, "P.S. - that
parenthetical was also a hint." Severy-5 says, "Ok, I'll start bugging you
about it next week" Severy-5 says, "Greg, did you also get that same
e-mail?" Severy-5 says, "And what's the status on the membership renewal
letters?" Greg says, "What same email, Randall?"
Severy-5 says, "About the Artemis Project powerpoint presentation and
display materials?" Greg says, "Yes, it's around here somewhere. I can
almost smell it." Severy-5 grins.
Severy-5 says, "Will you be able to do any editing on those before ISDC?"
Greg says, "What date do they need to be done?" kokhmmm says, "Good night
all"
kokhmmm has disconnected.
dcarson says, "gnight"
Severy-5 says, "I get on a plane three weeks from this morning" Severy-5
says, "aka Wednesday, May 26th" irs says, "So he needs it done by the first
of June." Severy-5 chuckles.
MikeD-1 hopes Greg doesn't take Ian's last comment too seriously Severy-5
says, "It won't do me too much good on the first of June :-(" irs says,
"It's called a sense of humor, Mike, and mine's running out and looking
longingly at bed. Am I needed for anything else tonight, anyone?" MikeD-1
says, "Basically, you need them by midnight on the 23rd" MikeD-1 says, "I
knew you were kidding Ian, just making sure Greg knows too" Severy-5 says,
"Preferably, yes, Mike"
Greg says, "Right. It won't do much good to have it the day you get on the
plane, either." Greg says, "So really this needs to be done by the weekend
before then." Severy-5 says, "Nope, I already missed one plane to ISDC
printing out presentation materials at the last minute :-(" Greg says,
"Preferably early that weekend so you'll have the weekend to print things
and make messes with tape and glue." The housekeeper arrives to cart
kokhmmm off to bed. MikeD-1 says, "der ya go"
irs says, "OK, I'm gonna pull the plug on me. Good night, all." john-r
feels a self system shutdown comingt on Night All Severy-5 says, "Good
night, Ian!"
irs has disconnected.
john-r has disconnected.
dcarson says, "looks like we're done"
Michael goes home.
The housekeeper arrives to cart irs off to bed. dcarson goes home.
The housekeeper arrives to cart john-r off to bed. Greg says, "Was the
meeting recorded tonight?" Severy-5 says, "Yes, use "play current on
recorder" to catch up" MikeD-1 says, "wasn't so much a meeting as a
gathering" Nancy says, "Randall, Missy's still having that same problem in
Team Director." Nancy says, "She has entered "Yes" to what the setting
that's causing the problem, and it doesn't accept it." Severy-5 says,
"Which problem was that again, Nancy?" Greg says, "Uh oh... early on, Peter
suggested that we drop the two issues of Moon Miners Review and keep the
same annual price for the newsletter." Greg says, "That sort of slipped off
the back burner." Greg says, "I would prefer to publish something every
month even if it means we have to pay proportionally more for the
newsletter." Nancy says, "I was afraid you were going to ask that. I guess
Scotty was helping her with this too. All I can do is copy what she said to
me...." Greg says, "On Team Director: It's whatever setting tells the
database that a member is current." Nancy says, "Missy/mlyssa29: what he
said is what is sounds like.." Nancy says, "Missy/mlyssa29: like i am
forgetting that step.." Nancy says, "Missy/mlyssa29: but.. i am not" Nancy
says, "Missy/mlyssa29: i have done it like 4 times.." Nancy says,
"Missy/mlyssa29: and after i enter in yes.." Nancy says, "Missy/mlyssa29:
it goes away like i never entered it. and after i go back in.. it says
"no"" Nancy says, "Missy/mlyssa29: odd.."
Nancy says, "Sorry, Randall. I'm clueless here." Greg says, "It sounds like
the data input for one of the settings is not getting into the database.
This is causing "current" members to get renewal notices." Severy-5 says,
"The current flag is reset automatically by an overnight cron job, based on
their expiration date" Greg says, "It might be in Scotty's database... the
field is named "data entered"." Nancy says, "mlyssa29 (10:11:15 PM): when
you have a chance mom please tell greg that Edward Lipsett#1189 is under
the "data not entered yet" screen for me to process except he HAS been
processed. i have no idea why he keeps coming up in this database as if he
has not been entered, or updated. yet, if you look at his info it is
completely updated (which i updated him on the 15th of april). can you see
if greg can get him out of my processing screen? thanks." Greg says, "That
was on 5/1/2004"
Nancy says, "nanci2121 (1:16:40 AM): Missy, this is what Scotty had to
say......Scottyg says, "The Data Not Entered screen keys off the "Data
Entered" field in the registrations database. She needs to set that field
to "yes" to get it to go away."" Greg says, "... from a conversation
between Scotty and Missy, via Nancy." Nancy says, "That's all I have,
Randall." Greg says, "I think we need Scotty for this, and we won't have
him back for a week." Severy-5 says, "If their expiration date is more than
two months before the current date, it will be set to Expired every morning
at 5 am" Severy-5 says, "I don't know much of anything about the
registrations database, you'll need Scotty for that" Greg says, "Yeah."
Greg says, "There's a glitch somewhere in the flow." Nancy says, "Ok.
Thanks, Randall."
Severy-5 says, "Speaking of Scotty, he just showed up in the TLRC MOO" Greg
says, "Let's go there! :)"
Greg disappears, leaving but a wistful memory that lingers in your mind.
Nancy leaves.
MikeD-1 has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to remove MikeD-1. DaveW-2 leaves.

-- End log: Thursday, May 6, 2004 12:47:19 am ASI Meeting Server time --