-- Start log: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 8:59:38 pm ASI Meeting Server time-- 

Severy switches places with Severy-5
kokhmmm has arrived.
kokhmmm reads the meeting agenda
Greg-3 arrives amidst thundering applause. Greg-3 says, "Happy Wednesday!
:D"
Greg-3 says, "It's a Moon Society Wednesday, isn't it?" Severy-5 says,
"Yup!"
Greg-3 says, "Hooray! I got it right! :)" kokhmmm says, "like that
Wednesday dig for Mike (its Thursday there) lol" Greg-3 says, "Hmmm... I'll
get ahead by giving a brief Membership Services report." john-r arrives.
Greg-3 says, "Missy said that there are 7 memberships to process, and she's
probably working on them right now." john-r says, "evening"
Scottyg-1 has arrived.
Greg-3 says, "She's determined to get them all done tonight because the
wedding festivities start tomorrow." Greg-3 says, "And then she takes off
on her honeymoon for a week." MikeD arrives.
Greg-3 says, "Meanwhile, I still haven't had a chance to get the mail/merge
files set up for renewal letters." Greg-3 says, "The good news, though, is
that I finally got my Mac set up. I didn't want to drag it during a
thunderstorm, but we've had good weather todya." Greg-3 says, "today."
Greg-3 says, "And that's it for membership services." Severy-5 says, "Ok,
thanks, Greg!"
irs has arrived.
Severy-5 says, "Welcome, Ian!"
irs says, "Right room?"
Greg-3 says, "Yup!"
Severy-5 says, "Yup!"
irs says, "Hah! And I found my way here all by myself." Scottyg-1 says,
"Greg, tell Missy her original invoice finally showed up." Greg-3 says, "Ya
didn't even have to follow the trail of peppercorns I left, eh? :)" Greg-3
says, "Scotty, yippee!"
Greg-3 says, "Did it just get there via snail mail?" Scottyg-1 says, "I
think it was delayed due to insufficient postage. (I had to pay $0.23 to
bail it out. :=)" With a sparkle of transporter light, saavik appears irs
says, "Nope. 'cause it looked like everyone was both in the Commons and
listening to the Commons, so I figured @joining anyone wouldn't do me any
good." Severy-5 says, "Hi, Amy!"
kokhmmm says, "On membership services. I have something pertinent."
Scottyg-1 says, "Also, she didn't put a return address on it so they
couldn't send it back." Severy-5 says, "Now that most of the gang is here,
let's start from the beginning of the agenda" Severy-5 says, "Starting with
Amy with an elections update" kokhmmm says, "Bob Bialecki keeps sending
changes of address that he gets from the post office, but no one seems to
be making the changes in the database." saavik says, "yes, sorry I'm late
and now ada is barking - hold on one second" john-r reads the meeting agenda
irs reads the meeting agenda
dcarson-1 reads the meeting agenda
MikeD says, "the whole idea of Team Director is that Bob Bialrcki can make
the updates himself" saavik says, "ok"
saavik says, "yes, elections update. The final slate of candidates went to
leaders, I believe? Let me check" dcarson-1 says, "yeah but if someone
mails one we should update it" MikeD says, "who is he mailing it to?"
Nancy arrives.
saavik says, "no, here it is:"
saavik says, "President - Two nomination were received" saavik [ ] Ian
Randall Strock # 27
saavik [ ] Peter Kokh # 239
saavik [ ] write in candidate ___________________ #______ saavik says,
"Secretary - Only one nomination was received" saavik [ ] Gary Grey # 914
saavik [ ] write in candidate ___________________ #______ saavik says,
"Board of Directors Vote"
saavik says, "Six Nominations received for 4 slots" saavik says, "Place 1 -
4 beside each name (in order of preference)" saavik [ ] Gregory Bennet # 1
saavik [ ] Steve Jackson - #154
saavik [ ] Peter Kokh - #239 (incumbent, see Note
* above) saavik [ ] Michael Mealling - #579 (incumbent) saavik [ ] Mike
Delaney #891 saavik [ ] Gary Grey - #914 (see Note* above) saavik [ ] write
in candidate ____________________ #______ Greg-3 says, "Ah, the Mother of
the Bride!" kokhmmm says, "No Mike, Bob is not a Moon Society member. We
send him the data for making labels every month, and there are a growing
number of bad addresses" saavik says, "And Peter, I'm happy to do the
elections emailing - but I wanted to get the statements formatted. " saavik
says, "I am also on a mac, if that helps" Greg-3 says, "Hrmph. There at two
T's in Bennett." Greg-3 says, "Gotta have those redundant T's. What if one
of them should fall off?" kokhmmm says, "I am formatting them for you now,
Amy." saavik says, "oy , I can fix it for the email ballot" saavik says,
"but can't do for the pdf - I think it has gone out" saavik says, "two n's
also?"
Nancy-1 arrives.
Greg-3 says, "Yes, 2 N's and 2 E's. :)" saavik says, "that's about it for
an elections update - unless anyone wants to ask questions?" Severy-5 says,
"Just give him two of everything to be safe :-)" Nancy leaves.
kokhmmm says, "I can submit an edited pdf file later tonight" Scottyg-1
says, "But Ian's middle name only has one "L"" Greg-3 says, "Oh, the trials
I suffer on behalf of the Moon Society... poor meeee..." irs says, "Yes,
Ggrreegg Bbeennnneetttt and Ian has only one l hiding in the middle
somewhere. <g>" saavik says, "oy"
Severy-5 says, "Hehe"
saavik says, "can I blame peter? ;-)"
Greg-3 says, "That's Gggrrreeg. Only one G at the end. :)" saavik says,
"(but to be honest, I didn't notice)" Severy-5 says, "It's "Ian Randal
Strock" and "Randall Severy", despite every attempt to switch us :-)"
Greg-3 says, "Yeah, let's blame Peter. It's all the creme brick; softens a
man's mind." saavik says, "LOL"
saavik says, "ok, those are fixed"
Greg-3 says, "Servery, right?"
saavik says, "any other comments?"
kokhmmm says, "Geez, I know this. Why do I keep mispelling! Sorry guys.
I'll change that later. It may not be too late for the print edition
either. I took the master to the printer, but he asked if I could send it
to him as pdf. So maybe I can change it all the way around." dcarson-1
says, "looks like a good slate this year" Greg-3 says, "Yeah! Makes it
tough figuring out how to vote!" Greg-3 says, "roll 2d10"
saavik says, "I'm planning to email the ballots out tonight during the
meeting" Greg-3 says, "Oops... you weren't supposed to see how I make the
vital decisions. :)" saavik says, "as soon as we get the statements set.
I'm editing the message a bit (just for email formatting)" Greg-3 says,
"When are ballots due, Amy?" saavik says, "Aug 1"
saavik says, "and I'll caveat that I may not be around to count - the baby
is due aug 5" Greg-3 says, "Lotsa time for the paper ballots, then." Greg-3
says, "Omigoodness!"
Greg-3 says, "S'okay, we can get 'em counted." dcarson-1 says, "when are
you moving Amy?" Greg-3 says, "Erm... where are ballots going?" saavik
says, "the email ballots are going to the elections mailbox" saavik says,
"teamdir can get it to"
saavik says, "moving in september"
saavik says, "the paper ballots go to texas" saavik says, "so scotty will
have to get those" Greg-3 says, "Your kid will be like me. My family moved
as soon as I was old enough to travel." saavik says, "btw, the web page
needs to be updated" Greg-3 says, "Right."
saavik says, "the officers list is out of date on expiration dates" saavik
says, "it says scotty should be up this year, not me" Greg-3 says, "Oh
pooh."
saavik says, "we just need to fix the page" saavik says, "the elections are
right"
saavik says, "just wondered who could do it? " saavik says, "john?"
Greg-3 says, "I'll fix it. I'm headed into WSD already." saavik says, "ok"
saavik says, "that's it for elections - questions?" john-r says, "Greg- you
are changing the officers web page? (trying to double ck,)" saavik reads
the meeting agenda
saavik points to Randall for the next item? Severy-5 says, "Ok, moving on
to the next agenda item" Nancy-1 says, "Yes, Greg is doing that now, John."
Severy-5 says, "I sent out an e-mail about 15 minutes before the meeting
forwaring an e-mail I received about our joining the SEA" Severy-5 says,
"If you haven't received it yet, please check your e-mail now" Severy-5
says, "The e-mail includes a link to a draft press release, which is also
linked from the agenda" Greg-3 says, "Done.
http://www.moonsociety.org/about/officers.php3 is updated." john-r says,
"is trying to read it at the moment" Severy-5 says, "We need to review the
press release for any problems, and we also need to provide a high-res Moon
Society logo" Severy-5 says, "Any progress on the logo, Greg?" saavik says,
"thanks greg"
Greg-3 says, "Rats. Randall, could you send it grb@simshost.com? My Mac is
upstairs and I'm on my laptop downstairs." irs says, "reading e-mail now.
guess i can skip to the end." Severy-5 says, "It's the same e-mail I sent
the other day to you, Greg" john-r says, "TY Greg for the web change"
Severy-5 says, "I hadn't realized until today that it bounced from the
leaders list due to the large attachment" kokhmmm says, "I have to switch
screen names for a minute. Be right back." Greg-3 says, "Randall, no, I
haven't done the logo yet. But it won't take long if there's time to do it
after the meeting tonight." MikeD says, "um, Im no longer subscribed to
that list" MikeD says, "I kinda fell off for a day" Greg-3 says, "Oh...
let's ask for a concensus: Do we want the Moon Society's logo on the SEA
stationery to be like the image in the upper left corner of the web site?"
Greg-3 says, "Ref: http://www.moonsociety.org/weblogo.jpg" MikeD says, "um,
can we actually use that image in that way?" kokhmmm says, "Amy, I just
sent you spelling-corrected, formatted copy" Severy-5 says, "Ok, message
resent to Mike" Greg-3 says, "Why is there any question, Mike?" saavik
says, "ok, let me check Peter"
irs says, "I read the press release in the e-mail. What's in the attachment
that I'd have to load up the web browser for?" MikeD says, "well it's a
NASA image, can we use that image in the way you describe" Scottyg-1 says,
"Pretty logos."
saavik says, "Nice message at the bottom :-)" saavik says, "I wondered
about it and then liked it" Greg-3 says, "Ian, that's a news release. It
shows the SEA stationery with all the member organizations' logos."
Severy-5 says, "Ian, the attachment has the logos in it" Severy-5 says,
"You shouldn't need a web browser, it's a PDF file" Greg-3 says, "Mike, if
that is a NASA image, then yes, we can use it for the Moon Society logo."
Greg-3 says, "It's just a picture of the full moon as seen from Earth. I'm
not even sure it's a NASA image." saavik says, "peter, I'm going to send it
without the html formatting but other that it is great. I'm plain texting
it at the moment. I'll send to artemis-list and to all current members via
team dir" Scottyg-1 says, "Looks like a good choice for a logo to me."
Greg-3 says, "Good plan, Amy."
dcarson-1 says, "we don't really have time to make a new one" MikeD says,
"It's made from a composite image Greg, definitely NASA or JPL" Greg-3
says, "Dana, yeah. We certainly don't have time to debate a new design."
Greg-3 says, "Mike, do you have the orginal moon image in a larger format?"
Greg-3 says, "And, if so, could you email to grb@asi.org?" MikeD says, "yes
somewhere on the near 200GB of HDs" saavik says, "ok, it is about ready to
go" kokhmmm says, "Full size, it's 2,160 miles across. How big do you want
it?" kokhmmm -)
Greg-3 says, "LOL"
Scottyg-1 says, "How about 1:1000 scale?" Greg-3 says, "It would be best to
have the original image file, however big the file is." MikeD says, "I seem
to recall the original is something like 4000 pixels" Greg-3 says,
"Perfect."
Scottyg-1 says, "That should satisfy anyone's resolution requirements.
(after they buy a new HD to store it on.)" saavik says, "sending now"
Greg-3 says, "Hooray! We just might get an election done on time! :)"
saavik says, "you all should start receiving ballots shortly" saavik says,
"it says it sent..."
Greg-3 wonders what it will be like to be off the hook. saavik grins.
Severy-5 wonders how Greg will handle that status :-) Greg-3 says, "With
great aplomb, I assure you." Scottyg-1 says, "I just got my copy."
saavik says, "hooray"
saavik says, "now we all just have to vote :-)" Greg-3 says, "Can you say
"Somebody Else will now be Somebody Else"?" Greg-3 says, "Right! Vote!"
kokhmmm says, "You are not off the hook altogether. First order of business
is making you President Emeritus." Greg-3 says, "At least one of us has to
cast a vote to make it an election! :)" Severy-5 laughs.
Greg-3 says, "How about Gray Emminence? That was my official title for the
San Antonio Worldcon. :)" Scottyg-1 says, "Hmmm. I think I'll vote for Greg
bennett for Pres as a write-in. :=)" kokhmmm says, "Hmmm! are you gray
yet?" kokhmmm says, "(Haven't seen you in 4 years)" irs says, "Oooh! I like
that, Scotty. We could start a write-in campaign for Greg. Wouldn't he just
love it?" Greg-3 says, "I think I'll drive back to Texas tonight and drop
Scotty on his head. :)" saavik says, "lol"
Scottyg-1 says, "LOL"
Nancy-1 says, "LOL"
saavik says, "yeah, pres is the hardest choice! oy :-)" saavik says, "we
never did figure out if you wanted to run for BOD as a backup ian" saavik
says, "but nominations closed... " irs says, "I wonder if we can modify the
logo (just got two hands back -- finished eating dinner) to make it round,
rather than square. After all, there's nothing square about the Moon."
saavik says, "(and now ballots have gone!)" Severy-5 says, "Anyone want any
cats or dogs? (it's raining a whole bunch of them outside right now...)
:-)" irs says, "How are the cicadas doing, Randall? Enjoying them?" Greg-3
says, "Ouch! I got my Mac inside just in time!" Severy-5 says, "Very tasty,
Ian! :-)"
kokhmmm says, "Randall, I sent them your way. We just had dogs & cats here
a half hour ago. Boy that was fast service!" Scottyg-1 says, "You can make
the backgrounf transparent Ian, but images are rectangular by definition."
Nancy-1 says, "I think your storm is heading our way, Randall! " Greg-3
says, "We seem to be giddy tonight. Perhaps it's the ozone from all the
lightning." saavik says, "I think they are coming here next" MikeD says,
"It's going to take me a while to find that image" Severy-5 says, "Dana's
getting the storm next, in about half an hour..." Greg-3 says, "It will be
a major help if you can, Mike." irs says, "No, I meant the actual logo.
Rather than a square box around the Moon with type on it, a circle around
the Moon with type on it. Nu?" Nancy-1 says, "That's ok. I can wait my
turn. :)" Greg-3 says, "Pssst... Ian... I'm on a deadline here. :)" saavik
says, "yeah, it usually takes a couple of hours to hit here" irs says, "As
to the letter from Tony that started that discussion, it looks OK to me,
but some kind of explanation of "the Moon-Mars Rally on July 13th.", both
in the document and for me, might be good." Scottyg-1 says, "How about no
circe but with circular text wrapped around it?" MikeD says, "I think it's
also in the cafepress site, which I can;t remember the username and login
for" Scottyg-1 says, "geez. circe=circle"
irs says, "So don't do it tonight, Greg. I understand the concept of
deadline. But if someone finds himself with a little free time, and wants
to circularize the logo, and that concept has some support, it might be a
nice idea if that person could do so at some point." Greg-3 says, "Ian,
actually I'm trying to avoid the time we would invest in arguing about it.
I don't like the idea of circular text." Greg-3 says, "If you could see how
it would display on that letterhead, I think you would agree." Greg-3 says,
"We'd look kinda cheesey by comparison to the other organizations." irs
says, "OK. Was a suggestion."
Greg-3 says, "My goal is to redo the same basic design and make it look
solid and classy and whatnot, so that we look good in comparision to the
rest." irs says, "You know what? I still really like the Artemis bug logo
you did way back when. Pity we can't use that one." kokhmmm says, "As long
as it's "green-cheesy," Greg." MikeD groans.
Severy-5 says, "Ok, anything more on SEA for tonight?" Nancy-1 says,
"Greg's upstairs right now on the Mac. so....Greg says, "Ian, yeah, but we
ought to use that one to uniquely identify the Artemis Project."" irs says,
"I know that. I also know that it's a great logo: graphic, pretty, and
clear. The Moon in the Moon Society logo is clear, but less eye-catching."
irs says, "Let it go."
irs says, "I'm good."
MikeD says, "found it"
dcarson-1 says, "next is Greg and the NSS" Nancy-1 says, "Let me go get
him....."
MikeD says, "Greg, it's 4.5 MB, can your email handle an attachemrnt that
large" john-r says, "rats-i need to male a land line call - brb " john-r
has disconnected.
Nancy-1 says, "From Greg, "Yes, my grb@asi.org email can handle 4.5 MB""
MikeD says, "smaller than I remember, only 1986 x 1986 pixels" irs will be
right back.
Greg-3 says, "Thanks, Mike! :)"
MikeD says, "can you read PNG files?"
Greg-3 says, "I think I can, Mike."
MikeD says, "I sure hope so, I'd hate to have to send it as a tif" Greg-3
says, "Although TIFF or JPEG would be more convenient." The housekeeper
arrives to cart john-r off to bed. irs says, "I'm back."
MikeD says, "jpg looks like gack"
Greg-3 says, "OK, send it as PNG and I'll deal with it. :)" Greg-3 says,
"Don't bother to convert it from whatever it is. You could zip a TIF to
squish it." Greg-3 says, "Any conversion will cause generaiton loss."
Greg-3 says, "generation"
MikeD says, "it was already saved as a png so I sent it as same, png has
fewer artifacts than jpg, it achieves something in between jpg and tif"
Greg-3 says, "Meanwhile, what Dana was referring to earlier by "Greg and
the NSS" was the idea of the Moon Society seeking recognition as a
something official within the NSS." Greg-3 says, "Ref:
http://www.moonsociety.org/private/leaders/nss/nss_moon_sig.html" Greg-3
says, "Good enough, Mike! Thanks!" MikeD says, "I cant get to that page"
MikeD says, "I fell off Team Dir for a day" Greg-3 says, "Randall already
did a test run with the NSS. The way my notes are worded are a little too
strong -- to have the Moon Society take responsibility, and hence
authority, for all the NSS's moon-related stuff." Greg-3 says, "It also
doesn't exclude politicking, which according to the Society's charter
somewhere is a no-no. We can promote, but we can't support candidates for
office." john-r arrives.
Greg-3 says, "So, I need to get those notes updated and massage them into a
real proposal -- perhaps a resolution that the NSS and Moon Society boards
of directors could mutualy adopt." Greg-3 says, "That won't get done before
the wedding. :)" MikeD says, "ok, put myself back in Leaders team, so now I
can read that page" Greg-3 says, "Welcome back to the Leaders team, Mike!
:)" kokhmmm says, "Mike, I just sent you the text of the page by email" irs
says, "Uh, Peter? Just glancing through MMM on the web. Any chance of
dropping the paragraph telling how many nominees declined their nominations
or were ineligible to run? It's one of those tidbits of information that
tells the members more than they need to know, and makes them wonder why so
many people didn't want to run, without actually adding anything to the
organization." MikeD says, "that image should be in your inbox now Greg"
saavik says, "I liked the part at the end of people participating" saavik
says, "but it has already gone in email ian" kokhmmm says, "Ian, I put that
in there, because people who made the nominations may wonder what happened
to them." irs says, "If it's too late, it's too late." irs says, "But
that's the type of thing that, perhaps, needs to be communicated
personally, directly, rather than as a general broadcast." Greg-3 says,
"But if it's not, I agree with Ian." kokhmmm says, "I didn't see it as a
negative. " Greg-3 says, "That is, if it's not too late to remove that, I
agree with Ian that it's a bad idea to announce it." kokhmmm says, "It
requires work that not everyone is up to." irs says, "It isn't a positive,
and does put a question in the mind of the uninformed reader. A question
that doesn't move us toward our goals, but might distract a member from
getting more involved." kokhmmm says, "I can remove it in an edited pdf
file, later this evening." Greg-3 says, "(On the other hand I'm really
thrilled that Steve Jackson DID accept the nomination. Yippee!)" Greg-3
says, "Thanks, Peter."
saavik says, "yeah, I assumed all along that you had asked your list greg"
saavik says, "then I realized only last week that you hadn't!" kokhmmm
says, "Ian, I just can't agree. Look at how many people would decline
nomination to be president of the United States! That doesn't say anything
bad about the U.S. only that it is a job not everyone is up to." Greg-3
says, "My apologies. It's just been so hectic. I should have, but I just
plain dropped the ball." saavik says, "s'k"
Greg-3 says, "Heh. President of the United States is one of those jobs
where you have to be a few fries short of a Happy Meal to want it!"
Scottyg-1 says, "Yeah, no one who wants the office should get it." kokhmmm
says, "Some of the people who declined to be nominated for the board, were
nonetheless honored to have been named." Greg-3 says, "I'm sure."
irs says, "I don't think nearly as many people as you seem to think we
easily turn down either the job or the nomination, but that's neither here
nor there for our purposes. In a membership organization, presenting other
than the rosiest of pictures to the members who aren't in the innermost
circle can lead only to them leaving." irs says, "I meant "would" easily
turn down the US presidency." Greg-3 says, "Oops. I shouldn't have
introduced that digression. :)" Scottyg-1 says, "Any other discussion on
NSS?" kokhmmm says, "I guess we'll have to agree to disagree about honesty.
I'll make the changes, but I don't have to like doing it." Greg-3 says,
"Yeah. I'd appreciate if everyone could take a look at my notes. I'll try
to keep updating them." irs says, "I liked Greg's proposal that we handle
all Moon matters; too bad they didn't go for it." kokhmmm says, "Yes, on
NSS. one of the possible sticky points is chapters. Officially, whatever
term *we* prefer to use, we will be an "at large" "chapter". A chapter that
has chapters? I have a plan to tackle that, based on a suggestion Greg made
not too long ago, and which makes sense." Greg-3 says, "I'm puzzling over
words that won't leave us out in the cold and embarrassed if the NSS starts
a big moon thing and leaves the Moon Society completely out of it." kokhmmm
says, "Greg had mentioned, I believe, that it makes no sense to try to form
a Moon Society chapter where there already is an NSS chapter that is Moon
orientated" Greg-3 says, "We discussed that at the last meeting, Peter.
Decided to stick with "SIG"." irs says, "Very important concern, Greg."
kokhmmm says, "And in fact, it has proved impossible in Portland and
Milwaukee." Greg-3 says, "You're right. A chapter that has chapters sounds
terminally silly." Severy-5 says, "The Moon Society would not be a chapter
of NSS" Greg-3 says, "I did that once with the Northwest L5 Society. It
lead to all sorts of messes." irs says, "We could make the NSS a chapter of
the Moon " irs says, "Society."
kokhmmm says, "Gre, we can say SIG all we want. NSS will still call us an
at large chapter. It's the pigeonhole that they have available. It is of
course just semantics." john-r says, "on the MMM Issue of the items in
question, i agree with Ian that showing ones best side is correct- BUT i do
not see anything neg, in the way that Peter worded the notes - Its in the
Moon Society Section, and the members may feel better informed , the only
possible draw back is, the MMM is for others besides Monn Society - = my
33.3333333.... cents worth" Greg-3 says, "Aha! That's it! We'll recognize
the NSS as a BIG! A "broad interest group"!" Severy-5 says, "Peter, NSS is
the group pushing SIG over chapter, not us" kokhmmm says, "But I agree,
that we should work through NSS chapters wherever they exist and if they
are interested." Severy-5 says, "I was at the NSS board meeting when that
was discussed" Severy-5 says, "We will not be an at large chapter" Greg-3
says, "Peter, yeah. I have words about working with NSS chapters where they
exist." kokhmmm says, "Randall, you must be talking to someone other than
Jeff. " Severy-5 says, "Yes, Peter, Jeff is not the only voice for NSS"
Greg-3 says, "And, in fact, encouraging Moon Society chapters to become NSS
chapters." kokhmmm says, "I am going on the handle that NSS uses to refer
to the Space Nursing Society which is twice our size." Greg-3 says, "Peter,
yes, we addressed that in June 2 meeting." Severy-5 says, "NSS is trying to
get away from referring to SIGS as chapters, I think we should encourage
that :-)" kokhmmm says, "Actually, we have only less than a handful of
chapters if 5 members is the criterion. St. Louis and Mid-Atlantic,
Utah-BYUY may fade away next year." kokhmmm says, "Jim Plaxco, present VP
for Chapters has his job thru the fall board meeting. I think that we would
do well to finalize things while he is there." Severy-5 says, "I'd like to
finalize things well before then" kokhmmm says, "We need to concentrate on
the Outpost system, isolated individuals, and groups of two or three where
there are no NSS chapters. AND work on identifying NSS chapters with strong
interest in the Moon." Severy-5 says, "Ok, anything more on the
Relationship with NSS agenda item?" kokhmmm says, "I would also like to
promote MMM in NSS. This could be by direct subscription, but it would be
nice if there was a membership level in the Moon Society above Greg's
associate level, which involved dues and access to the pdf file." Greg-3
says, "Yeah, I'd like to get this put to bed so that it's not a festering
issue for the next administration. If I can get it done while I'm in
office, the next president will be off to a very strong start." Greg-3
says, "Good thought, Peter."
irs says, "Here, here! Excellent thinking, Greg." Severy-5 says, "Sounds
good, Greg, so how do we go about that?" Saavik notes that even full
Vulcans need to sleep sometimes saavik has disconnected.
Greg-3 says, "I'll get the next iteration done next week, Randall, and try
to make it something that the NSS board can really chew on." Greg-3 says,
"I could also put it somewhere that they can get to it directly." Greg-3
says, "So, if anybody has any inputs on it, please send a note to
grb@asi.org." kokhmmm says, "By the way, I have put 11 back issues in a
directory at " Greg-3 says, "I know that I won't get to this before next
Tuesday. We have major company coming tomorrow morning." Severy-5 says, "Ok"
Greg-3 says, "Specifically, both of Nancy's brothers." Greg-3 says, "Then
the pre-wedding festivities start, and it goes on until Tuesday morning."
kokhmmm says, "www.lunar-reclamation.org/mmm_samples - anyone can download
these pdf files to get a taste of MMM. John said he was going to make them
available on the MoonSoc website somewhere" Greg-3 says, "Peter, are we no
longer using the MMM web on asi.org?" kokhmmm says, "Yes, we are using it
for individual articles, and I will be uploading more there." irs says,
"Happy wedding!"
kokhmmm says, "Whole issues in one place, individual articles in another."
The housekeeper arrives to cart saavik off to bed. kokhmmm says, "The MMM
Classics project, with a pdf edition including articles from issues 1-20
coming out next month, will spur me to upload them individually to the asi
location at the same time." MikeD says, "do you folks need me? I have to be
up and about in 3.5 hours" Greg-3 says, "Have a good evening, Mike! :)"
kokhmmm says, "You are already up and about, Mike!" john-r says, "we need
you, but maybe not at the moment :)" Greg-3 says, "Sounds good to me,
Peter!" Greg-3 says, "Well put, John!"
Severy-5 says, "Ian, did you get the Artemis Project brochure materials I
e-mailed a while ago?" MikeD says, "yeah Peter, but between now and 7:30 am
I need to get some sleep" john-r says, "Nite Mike"
john-r says, "or morning"
Severy-5 says, "Oops, I thought it was Ian leaving, not Mike, that question
will wait until later in the agenda..." Greg-3 says, "Randall, do you know
if there's a preferred format for the logo for the SEA?" Severy-5 says, "No
idea, Greg"
Greg-3 says, "OK. I'll just send a high-rez JPEG." Severy-5 says, "Ok,
anything more on the Relationship with NSS agenda item?" MikeD says, "not
at present, I think people need to think on it" Severy-5 says, "If not,
let's move on to Membership Services, Greg already gave his update, I
believe you had something, Peter?" Scottyg-1 says, "Peter's question was
about addresses not getting updated." kokhmmm says, "Yes, about the address
changes we get from the Post Office and Bob sends to the Moon Society. They
drop into a black hole and are not made." Scottyg-1 says, "I update
whatever comes to me." kokhmmm says, "Pehaps, it's a case of not sending
the info to the right email addres or postal address." Greg-3 says, "Yup."
Scottyg-1 says, "So the question is...who is Bob sending them to?"
Scottyg-1 says, "I think the best thing is to email them to
membership@moonsociety.org." kokhmmm says, "Scotty, email Bob at
bobriverwest@yahoo.com and tell him where to send them " Scottyg-1 says,
"Then Missy should get them." Severy-5 says, "Any idea where he's been
sending them up until now?" kokhmmm says, "No, Scotty."
Greg-3 says, "Does Bob have a list of ones he sent so that we can check the
records?" kokhmmm says, "By the way, we were at 200 even for domestic mail
this month. But if we drop further next month, Bob wants an address or
addresses where complimentary copies should go to make up the difference.
Can you email him that info also?" kokhmmm says, "I will see if Bob has a
record of the past request he has passed on." Greg-3 says, "If all else
fails, just send 'em to the Plano pobox." john-r says, "is it a fastretch,
to send comp copys to all the members of the sea? or would that be toooo
strange, or gaudy?" kokhmmm says, "We now pay for address correction
service, but the Post Office only sends corrected info for 6 months. Then
the new address is lost for good." Greg-3 says, "I rather like that idea."
dcarson-1 says, "sending some to I or ian might make sense, can use them at
worldcon as freebies" john-r says, "thats a good idea Dana"
Greg-3 says, "Yeah, that, too."
kokhmmm says, "SEA, do you have an order of priority, and the addresses?"
Greg-3 says, "Ian could hand 'em out as an extra goodie for new subscribers
to the magazine." kokhmmm says, "Like that idea better. Easier to
implement. Ian and Dana" irs says, "Works for me."
kokhmmm says, "Thanks. That is very workable for us." john-r says, "note to
file - Peter os good to go - for comp copys to Ian and Dana - next item?"
john-r is sleepy, 9 hrs in the hot sun, dwindless the resources kokhmmm
says, "Do we want to pay for a table at the Mars Convention? I will be
there to man it." kokhmmm says, "And to put it together." john-r says,
"whats the price again?"
kokhmmm says, "$100"
john-r says, "i am ok with 99.99 :)"
kokhmmm says, "And we can cosponsor, which would get our members in at Mars
Soc. member prices." john-r says, "or should i say, my vote for society
funds is 99.99" kokhmmm says, "I can come up with the penny, John if you
come up with the rest." Greg-3 says, "Sounds like a good deal to me. We'd
break even if we got half a dozen new members." john-r says, "Peter :), i
already corrected myself, geese, my wife would come after me with the iron
skillet , if i had to come up with the majority" Greg-3 says, "The new prez
ought to consider asking the board for a discretionary budget pool for
stuff like this, so that he's authorized to spend money on outreach."
john-r says, "good point"
kokhmmm says, "Money should go to the Mars Society address in Colorado,
attention Maggie Zubrin. I'll give her a heads up." kokhmmm says, "Yes,
Greg."
john-r says, "On the society paying 100.oo for Peter to set up and man TMS
Table at Mars Soc conf, and co sponser - any one with negatice thoughts ?"
dcarson-1 says, "nope"
kokhmmm says, "As soon as it is finalized, we can email the membership that
discount registration is available. Members near Chicago area could use the
event to get together." Severy-5 says, "none here"
irs says, "What's the Mars Society membership going to think about a Moon
Society table on premises?" kokhmmm says, "That's the challenge, Ian, and I
am up to it!" Greg-3 says, "We've heard from a majority of the board on
spending $100 for a table at the Mars Convention, so I'd say that counts as
an official authorization to spend the bux." kokhmmm says, "I am on the
good guy list with both Bob & Maggie, and most of the Mars Soc. leadership"
kokhmmm says, "Okay, who writes the check and when can they expect it?"
john-r says, "and with the heads up notice, and we can not get an ok,
BEFORE Scotty snds the ck, then we can stop shipment of fuel to their
mission :) (or am i ahead of myself?)" Greg-3 says, "This would involve
asking Scotty to send a check to Maggie Zubrin." Scottyg-1 says, "I write
it, it will be this weekend before I can get it out." Greg-3 says, "Peter,
can you make sure Scotty knows to do that, just in case he's distracted
from this conversation at the moment:" Greg-3 says, "Oops... nebbermind."
kokhmmm says, "Scotty, do you have the address, or should I send it to
you?" Scottyg-1 says, "It would save a bit of time if you have it handy
Peter." irs says, "We've had plumbing problems, which have eaten into my
sleep time this week, so I'm not going to be able to last too much longer."
Scottyg-1 says, "How should I say what its for? (On the memo line.)" Greg-3
says, "Heh. I'm weakening, too." dcarson-1 reads the meeting agenda
Scottyg-1 says, "Same here. Had a short night's sleep last night." Greg-3
says, "Scotty, it's for the Moon Society table at the Mars Society
conference." Scottyg-1 says, "I was actually more concerned about the
cosponsorhip part." Greg-3 says, "I'm going to run upstairs and get to work
on that logo. Nancy will watch the meeting and wake me up as necessary. :)"
Michael arrives.
Greg-3 says, "Oh, right. Cosponsorship is good." kokhmmm says, "Should
someone other than me notify Maggie that the Moon Society would officially
cosponsor the Convention?" Severy-5 says, "Howdy, Michael!"
Michael says, "good evening.... sorry I'm so late...." Scottyg-1 says,
"Perhaps Randall could do that?" kokhmmm says, "By email, Maggie's address
is MZubrin@aol.com" Michael says, "speaking of conferences, I went ahead
and told the SFF folks to do 200 cards... they're shipping them directly to
me...." john-r says, "Sounds good Michael"
irs says, "That's what we need hear: a take-charge attitude!" john-r says,
"Randall did you catch Scottys Node on you doing Mars Soc conf cosponser?"
john-r says, "Nod?"
Severy-5 says, "Yes, I saw that, John, I'm thinking :-)" Severy-5 says, "I
could notify Maggie, but I'll need someone to bug me about it, my schedule
for the next two weeks is pretty nuts" kokhmmm says, "The postal address is
The Mars Society, P.O. Box 273, Indian Hills, Colorado, 80454, USA "
Scottyg-1 says, "I could handle it myself, just thought it would be better
politically if it came from Randall or Greg." Scottyg-1 says, "Got the
email and postal mail addresses Peter." john-r says, "Maybe Scotty can
e-mail to the leaders list, and wait 1 day or so for any comments, and then
Randall or Greg can coin toss for who to e-mail???" john-r says, "there by
leting the missing leaders know whats going on?" Scottyg-1 says, "Time for
discussion is past. The item was approved." Scottyg-1 says, "Once the deal
is set up, we should do a general announcement." Severy-5 says, "Ok, let's
move on to the next agenda item, Moon Society Display and Brochure" kokhmmm
says, "What still needs to be done, Randall?" kokhmmm says, "or finished?"
Severy-5 says, "Everything! :-)"
Severy-5 says, "I've forgotten who has taken the action items to work on
which part..." Severy-5 says, "Ian, which part were you going to do? Greg,
which part were you going to do?" john-r says, "the agenda shows Greg for
some part" irs says, "I think the brochure is in my lap, and I do recall
getting your e-mail, Randall. No progress to report, other than I know I
have to do it." kokhmmm says, "What's the next deadline?" kokhmmm says, "I
could use if for the Mars event in August (3rd weekend)" Severy-5 says, "No
specific deadline (which is a problem in itself :-))" Nancy-1 says, "From
Greg, "I was working on the tabletop display. I haven't given any thought
to a brochure. But I could if it's not urgently urgent."" Severy-5 says,
"The Mars Society Convention would be a good deadline!" irs says, "Date?"
Severy-5 says, "Ok, Ian has lead on the brochure, and Greg has the lead on
the display, and each one helps out with the other :-)" dcarson-1 says,
"The 7th International Conference, 2004 August 19 -22" irs says, "ok"
Scottyg-1 says, "Folks, I gotta bail out before I nod off and fall out of
my chair." Nancy-1 says, "Night, Scotty!"
john-r says, "Nite Scotty"
Severy-5 says, "Good night, Scotty!"
Severy-5 says, "Ok, I think that takes care of that agenda item, let's move
on before we all fall out of our chairs :-)" Severy-5 says, "I don't have
anything new to report on the Lunar Directory" Severy-5 says, "Which takes
us to Chapters Update" Severy-5 says, "Anything new, Peter?"
kokhmmm says, "No. St. Louis and you guys in the Mid Atlantic are the two
centers of action." john-r says, "whats happening that utah may fade
waway?" Nancy-1 says, "Greg said, "G'night, Scotty!"" kokhmmm says, "But,
as noted at ISDC, individuals can do much. So chapters move over. The
Outposts are making themselves known." Nancy-1 says, "Greg wants you to
look at this:
http://www.moonsociety.org/images/moon_society_logo_500x600.jpg" kokhmmm
says, "Jonathan Goff is graduating and moving to Silicon Valley. If no one
takes over at BYU, and that is possible, then it's over." Michael notes
that Michael is working for the same startup that Jon is. john-r says,
"ahhh, i see, TY Peter"
Severy-5 says, "Nice logo!"
dcarson-1 says, "looks good"
john-r says, "Did Michael move from versign?" kokhmmm says, "A big
improvement in image quality, Greg!" irs says, "Still downloading."
Michael says, "john, not yet...... the plan is for that to happen in about
2-3 months" john-r says, "ahh"
Nancy-1 says, "Greg said, "Thanks!" He on his way back down." Nancy-1 says,
"He's too."
john-r says, "Nancy - tell Greg the inner blace needs to be 1 1/2 pixles
wider" kokhmmm says, "Caption: "the Moon, empty and waiting --- for
humankind!" or something like that" john-r says, "black"
irs says, "Looks good to me."
irs says, "Naw, John. I like the border -- makes it stand out." john-r
says, "Peter that is catcy, maybe we need that some where on the site, and
under the loga on letter head- if we ever get any :) But I like the simple
Logo that we have, IMHO" Michael says, "greg, you might want to convert the
moon image to a grey scale, the colors that are in the image will render
funny when something goes to dither the colors." john-r says, "Ian, you
missed the 1/2 pix;e, its not poss to split a pixle, i was annoying Greg
the designer :)" Greg-3 says, "I caught it, John! :)"
john-r says, "good Hreg"
Severy-5 says, "I think we've covered the important agenda items tonight,
so I'd like to throw open the rest of the agenda for discussion if needed"
Greg-3 says, "I was booting up my half-pixel CRT! :)" john-r says, "see my
bad typing is going down hill fast" Severy-5 says, "Is there anything else
on the agenda that needs to be discussed tonight?" john-r says, "yes.."
irs says, "Yeah, gray scale would be good for me to stick on letterhead.
Also, what font is that (so I can match it with the address and suchnot)?"
john-r says, "Michael..."
Greg-3 says, "Michael, they might convert it to grayscale when they put it
on the SEA stationery. It'll be seriously squooshed anyhow." john-r says,
"anything on the radio thing in Itly?" Greg-3 says, "FYI, that font is
Palatino" john-r says, "squooshed :) what a word" Michael says, "not lately
no, the key people in Italy are taking their typical month long summer
vacation." Greg-3 says, "I like that word! :)"
irs says, "Great. Thanks for using something simple (Palatino... sheesh!)."
Michael says, "one of the reasons I hate doing business with Europe. ;-)"
john-r says, "i see"
Greg-3 says, "Must be the Italian influence, Ian." irs says, "You want
Italian? Times New Roman." Greg-3 says, "Now *that's* Italian! LOL" john-r
lays down his keybd, and goes to sleep land - GOOD Meet, night all kokhmmm
says, "Text looks fine to me."
john-r has disconnected.
Greg-3 says, "Of course it does, Peter. It's a Mac font! :)" Nancy-1 says,
"Night, John."
Michael says, "woah..... 160 RVs already reserved spots in Mojave, and many
have already started showing up." irs says, "Looks fine, Peter, but
matching it for letterhead is gonna be a pain in my ass. Damn Mac fonts."
kokhmmm says, "Okay, it's late, got a revised pdf to upload!" kokhmmm has
disconnected.
irs says, "Well, it looks like it's about 11, and I'm falling asleep, so
unless anyone has anything else for me...." Greg-3 says, "Yup, getting late
for me, too. Them wedding bells are breaking up that ol' gang of mine! :)"
Nancy-1 says, "Night, Ian!"
Nancy-1 says, "LOL"
Greg-3 says, "We have to pick up folks at the airport at oh-dark-thirty."
Nancy-1 says, "I'm off too. Night! :)" dcarson-1 says, "gnight all"
Greg-3 says, "Night guys!"
irs says, "Good night, all."
irs has disconnected.
Severy-5 says, "Cool, Michael! Where did you see that news?" Michael says, "
http://www.hobbyspace.com/AAdmin/archive/RLV/2004/RLVNews2004-06.html#June.16.04"
The housekeeper arrives to cart john-r off to bed. The housekeeper arrives
to cart kokhmmm off to bed. Severy-5 says, "160 spots remain out of 250"
The housekeeper arrives to cart irs off to bed. Michael says, "oh, did I
read it wrong?" Severy-5 says, "A camping area has been cleared to park 250
self-contained recreational vehicles, with campers allowed to enter the
grounds beginning Saturday night. Reservations are required for these $40
spots, and they are filling fast. As of Tuesday afternoon, 160 spots
remained." " Michael says, "btw, everyone who lives in mojave suggests
buying yourself a flat of bottled water....." Severy-5 says, "Ahh, good
point"
Severy-5 says, "http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5181498/" Michael says,
"yep.... the "Woodstock" meme came from Clark Lindsey at hobby space."
Michael goes home.

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