-- Start log: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 9:02:40 pm ASI Meeting Server time --

Severy switches places with Severy-6
kokhmmm has arrived.
kokhmmm reads the meeting agenda
garygray says, "Hi Peter!"
kokhmmm says, "Hi, gary and all!"
MikeD-2 says, "Hi Peter, I'm working on an email to David Schrunk regarding
San Diego chapter website right now" MikeD-2 says, "though I really haven't
a clue where to start with him, I sent him all the info he needs *months*ago_,
but all the team leaders seem to conveniently lose that" kokhmmm says,
"Great, Mike, Dave has been needing help for some time." kokhmmm says,
"Maybe someone needs to walk him thru the steps once, perhaps on the Moo?"
Scottyg-1 has arrived.
kokhmmm says, "Hi, Scotty"
dcarson arrives.
Scottyg-1 says, "Hi all!"
dcarson says, "helo"
garygray says, "Hi, Scotty!"
MikeD-2 says, "Peter, when I find my stock email I'll send you a copy, it
couldn't be made much clearer. it's just that every teamleader I've ever
sent it to has come back some time later and denied ever getting it, and
then when I send it again the confirm that they got it before" MikeD-2
says, "Every one of them"
dcarson says, "hypnotic email?"
MikeD-2 says, "they just lose it in the spam along with their welcome
message" kokhmmm says, "Mike, ask them to save it to their filing cabinet
(some people don't automatically save mail)" MikeD-2 says, "they barely
need more than the welcome message anyway" kokhmmm says, "What is you
message title line? Has to let them know this is not spam." MikeD-2 says,
"I'm looking for it"
MikeD-2 says, "It's been a while since I actually had to do anything you
klnow" MikeD-2 says, "I've forgotten 90% of it" MikeD-2 says, "especially
the links"
dcarson reads the meeting agenda
kokhmmm says, "Mike, where are we on the rent-Mars -desert station team?"
MikeD-2 says, "that's next"
MikeD-2 says, "do you have stuff to upload?" kokhmmm says, "Not yet, but
can in a day or so." MikeD-2 says, "I've been having 'upgrade related'
computer problems all week, I've rebooted more times since Monday than in
all the previous 9 months" kokhmmm says, "Ouch!"
MikeD-2 says, "yeah, the joys of almost trippling your CPU speed" MikeD-2
says, "I'm currently running in 'motherboard safemode'" kokhmmm says,
"Trippling can be tripping!" MikeD-2 says, "I upgraded from 750 MHz to
2GHz, so I'm getting 1.2 GHz" garygray says, "It looks like we are missinf
3 people-Greg, John, Michael!" MikeD-2 says, "and by the time I'm finished,
I'll have spend enough to buy a new Dell" kokhmmm says, "Are any of our
people in Ivan's path?" garygray says, "Does anyone know if they are coming
tonight?!" MikeD-2 says, "Michael is in the commons" MikeD-2 says, "I just
poked him"
kokhmmm says, "Gary, no one wrote that they would be absent or late"
MikeD-2 says, "John could be having problems, he lives in an area that gets
a lot of electrical storms and has had a bad experience in that regard
already" dcarson says, "Michael was saying that he'll get lots of rain and
wind but not a direct hit" MikeD-2 says, "Greg could be in NY, TX, NV or
LEO" Scottyg-1 says, "Greg's in TX and i haven't heard that he has a
problem tonight." Scottyg-1 says, "Probably just lost track of time."
MikeD-2 says, "Peter, the subject header on the welcome message would have
been: Welcome to the sandiego@moonsociety.org mailing list!" MikeD-2 says,
"One of these days they're going to dispatch Greg to do some on-orbit field
repairs" kokhmmm says, "Mike, that message, perhaps tells you how to get on
the team, but not how to update the website, which is what Dave is having
touble with." kokhmmm says, "Anyway, guys, while we're waiting, I just sent
the leaders an update on MMM with some good news. Might take the time to
read it while we are waiting." MikeD-2 says, "if he read that message he'd
know where to go, Team WSD Express is the only thing he should need help
with" kokhmmm says, "Mike, I'll be getting back on broadband soon, then I
can walk him thru things on the computer while talking to Dave on the phone
at the same time." kokhmmm says, "Had to drop cable for cost, but
inconvenience is worse than cost." DaveW arrives.
kokhmmm says, "Hi, Dave"
DaveW says, "hello"
kokhmmm says, "We've just been chatting, not enough of us here yet." DaveW
says, "ok"
kokhmmm says, "Don't believe the recorder has been turned on." DaveW was
busy convincing a child that it was infact bed time kokhmmm says, "While
we're waiting, I just sent the Leaders a positive note on MMM" garygray
says, "I think Randall turned on the recorder before you came, Peter!"
kokhmmm says, "Okay, Gary. "
kokhmmm says, "so you can type "play current" to catch up" Severy-6 says,
"Yup, use 'play current on recorder' to catch up" garygray says, "Peter,
it's great that you were able to upgrade MMM again.!" kokhmmm says, "Yes,
it was just luck we found this new guy. Women who does our labels knew
him." garygray says, "Yea, sometimes i think life is built on 'luck'!"
DaveW says, "play current"
kokhmmm says, "There's more good news on MMM. That the new service gives us
20-30 free extra copies, means that I don't have to wait for the label
count before taking the master to the printer. That could speed up printing
and mailing by two weeks!" MikeD-2 says, "Randall, does EditLive work with
Mozilla yet?" kokhmmm says, "So starting with the October issue, my goal is
to have both the PDF file and the master to the printer as close to the 1st
of the month as possible." MikeD-2 says, "or should I direct people to
select eWebEditPro?" MikeD-2 hmms.
MikeD-2 says, "eWebEditPro doesn't like Mozilla and can't find a version of
netscape higher than 3.X" Severy-6 says, "Mike, EditLive for Java works
with Mozilla, but we don't have a license for moonsociety.org" Severy-6
says, "But HTMLArea may work with Mozilla, I can try setting that up"
Severy-6 says, "Is this for any Moon Society repository?" MikeD-2 says,
"HTMLArea _____does_____ work with Mozilla, to some extent" Severy-6 says,
"WSD supports HTMLArea, but there have been some issues with source
formatting, so I haven't bundled it yet in all WSD systems" MikeD-2 says,
"I haven't looked at it in a while, there were some problems, but that was
a beta version" Severy-6 says, "Yeah, I need to revisit it as well to see
if the developer has fixed the source formatting issues, and if not to
contact him about it" MikeD-2 says, "
http://www.interactivetools.com/products/htmlarea/" MikeD-2 says, "looks
like they may have done something" MikeD-2 says, "oops, nope, still the
same versions" garygray says, "I woll send out a short reminder notice for
Leadership Council meetings a couple of days before the meeting--Unless
there would be a problem with doing that!" Severy-6 says, "Yeah, the
developer was getting married in July and said he would be offline for a
couple of weeks afterwards, so I wasn't expecting anything for a while..."
dcarson says, "no problem, people should remember but never hurts to
remind" MikeD-2 says, "the latest release is on Sourceforge, dated February
29, 2004" kokhmmm says, "Do we have enough people present to proceed with
the agenda?" Severy-6 says, "I suppose we might as well tackle it the best
as we can" MikeD-2 says, "read agenda?"
MikeD-2 hmms.
dcarson reads the meeting agenda
MikeD-2 reads the meeting agenda
kokhmmm says, "I don't think we can touch membership processing tonight.
But we do have Scotty so maybe we can discuss registration options" MikeD-2
says, "membership services is out" Severy-6 says, "I've been working for
the past couple of weeks on a membership registration processing subsystem
for Team Director that includes credit card and bank transfers using
PayPal, it's coming along pretty well" Severy-6 says, "The project is
initially for NSS, but will eventually be useful for the Moon Society as
well" Severy-6 says, "Ahh, here comes Greg!"
Greg-1 arrives amidst thundering applause. kokhmmm says, "That's great
Randall. I know that PayPall has changed its fee schedule recently, how
much do they take?" Scottyg-1 says, "Yep. He forgot it was Wednesday."
garygray says, "Randal, that sounds great!" Severy-6 says, "Surprisingly
little, Peter" Severy-6 says, "Less than most credit card merchant vendors"
kokhmmm says, "That's really good then. PayPall will offer potential
members another option." MikeD-2 says, "that accounts for their popularity
with ebay customers" MikeD-2 says, "PayPal would work great for me if it's
operational before April" Severy-6 says, "It should be operational within a
couple of weeks, Mike" Severy-6 says, "I have a deadline to finish up ISDC
2005 conference registrations by this Sunday :-)" Nancy-1 arrives.
Scottyg-1 says, "The other good thing about PayPal is you don't have to
deal with (and pay) anyone else." MikeD-2 says, "Of course I would still
have to put some money in my bank account" john-r arrives.
kokhmmm says, "Some months ago, I brought up the topic of what the
Planetary Society was doing, in offering monthly checkoffs. I now have the
full details and I will snail that to Scotty for his comments." john-r
says, "sorry, work ran late"
Severy-6 says, "Scotty knows far more about PayPal than anyone else here, I
would imagine, but the NSS research showed that PayPal charges "2.2% to
2.9% + 0.30 cents per transaction - depending on monthly volume"" kokhmmm
says, "Better late than not at all, John" Scottyg-1 says, "Thats correct
Randall." john-r says, "ty :)"
MikeD-2 says, "here comes Steve"
Scottyg-1 says, "And credit cards cost $0.30 plus 2.5 to 3.0 %" Severy-6
says, "But if the transaction is less than $.30 you don't get a bill, I've
been finding that out testing the new Team Director processing by sending
through $.01 payments, the transaction fee ends up as $.01 as well :-)" SJ
has arrived.
SJ arrives, late, and waves.
Scottyg-1 says, "Plus some monthly fees." john-r notes to SJ that i am only
30 seconds ahead of ya Severy-6 says, "I've now paid NSS about 15 cents in
15 separate donations during testing, but they haven't ended up with any of
it :-)" Scottyg-1 says, "Are you using IPN Randall?" Severy-6 says, "Yes"
Greg-1 says, "You're so generous, Randall." Scottyg-1 says, "There's some
tricky stuff there." Severy-6 says, "Once I got the basic processing
working, Soctty, I was going to ask to pick your brain for any gotchas to
watch out for" Scottyg-1 says, "I'll refer you to our IPN processing
script." Severy-6 says, "I got the first end-to-end implementation working
this morning for a demo at NSS headquarters this morning" Severy-6 says,
"Anyway, since all of the required players are now here, how about an
update on Membership Services?" Nancy-1 says, "Missy's system is in the
repair shop, Randall. She wasn't able to work on memberships this week."
Severy-6 says, "Ouch! Ok."
Nancy-1 says, "Sorry."
Severy-6 says, "Greg, nag #532 about paper renewal notices.... :-)" Greg-1
says, "I'm holding out for nag #533! :)" dcarson says, "nag"
Severy-6 laughs.
Greg-1 says, "That doesn't count. It was lost in the blast shadow for nag
#532." Severy-6 grins.
Scottyg-1 says, "Peter, the Moon Society membership you sent me from the
Mars Society convention bounced on the credit card charge." Scottyg-1 says,
"My policy has been to wait a week or two and retry." kokhmmm says, "That's
too bad. Did you contact Turcat Alain by email about it?" Scottyg-1 says,
"Not yet - I usually retry first on a simple "declined"." kokhmmm says, "I
was hoping we'd get some more new people from the Mars Convention, but with
Missy out, we can't tell yet." Scottyg-1 says, "(Hoping he'll pay his
bill.)" Greg-1 says, "Scotty would see them first, Peter." kokhmmm says,
"He seemed most interested and enthusiastic, Scotty, and I did contact him
a week later." kokhmmm says, "Scotty, have you seen any new registrations?"
Scottyg-1 says, "I can't recall who has access, but the list is available
at https://www.moonsociety.org/admin/" john-r says, "i can not get i"
Scottyg-1 says, "Access is generally on a need-to-know basis since it
contains sensitive data." john-r says, "understood"
Scottyg-1 says, "But I think the President is in the need-to-know
category." john-r says, "as in credit card numbers ect .. right?" kokhmmm
says, "I just tried, and i do not have access as yet" Scottyg-1 says, "Yes
John."
Scottyg-1 says, "I'm working on that Peter." MikeD-2 says, "Does that
include regidtrations not yet processed?" Scottyg-1 says, "Yes Mike."
MikeD-2 says, "so that could possibly answer Michael's question about new
members and renewals" MikeD-2 says, "He was wondering if we'd had any bites
as a result of the Google ads" kokhmmm says, "I think if our various ads
and appeals all were coded so that we could tell to what the new member or
rejoining lapsed member was responding to, that would be most helpful in
telling us what efforts pay off and what to concentrate on." kokhmmm says,
"That may take a new field on the registration form, but the effort to set
that up may pay off." MikeD-2 says, "Are there any new registrations in
there, and if so is the number about normal or is it higher?" garygray
says, "It's a good idea, Peter. Even if the current app is on different
color paper!" kokhmmm says, "Or the code could be in the mailing address
for registrations sent by postal mail, like Moon Society, Dept. 23, P.O.
etc." kokhmmm says, "Or by web to www.moonsociety.org/register/23/ for
example as that would give a page with the special offer on it, if any"
garygray says, "Yes, or just put my initials (in small letters) on the
bottom of the app for those I distribute!" kokhmmm says, "same as regular
access Scotty, unless you prefer it to be different" Scottyg-1 says, "I
don't know what that is." kokhmmm says, "Sent you Moo Mail. Let me know if
you got it Scotty" kokhmmm says, "Went to Scottyg"
kokhmmm says, "Meanwhile, I am about ready (within a day or so) to send my
proposal for alternative registration options to the Leaders List for
comments" Severy-6 says, "Great!"
kokhmmm says, "Also, I got started on a checkoff list for critical
occupations, but got diverted by the need to get MMM out the door. MMM
takes 40=/- hours a month of my time." Scottyg-1 says, "Ok, try logging in
now Peter." SJ says, "Remind me. Crit occupations as in "things we need
volunteers to do?"" kokhmmm says, "As in talents we might want to tap for
this project or that, Steve" Michael arrives.
SJ nods.
Michael says, "sorry I'm so late folks.... been getting some thing together
for Ivan." MikeD-2 says, "ah"
kokhmmm says, "There are hundreds of occupational classifications on some
state guidelines, but we can simplify that greatly." kokhmmm says, "You
going to try to blow it back into the gulf, Michael?" Michael says,
"hehe.... nope.... just making sure I've got batteries and water 'n stuff"
MikeD-2 says, "batteries, water, radio, flashlight, tinned food, first aid
kit" Michael says, "first feeder band should come though in about 4 to 6
hours..." Scottyg-1 says, "Where are you Michael?" Michael says, "yep....
all that."
Michael says, "Atlanta"
kokhmmm says, "Also, as soon as Mike & I can finish setting up a Team
structure to deal with brainstorming the possibilities for renting the Mars
Desert Research Station, I'll be sending out the first of my emails to all
(current or not) members. I'd like to have registration options to offer
the lapsed members first." Michael says, "we're expecting about 10-12
inches of rain and 50-80 mph winds" Scottyg-1 says, "Ok, you're not too
much in harm's way." MikeD-2 says, "do you have a rubber raft or some
canoes and some life jackets?" kokhmmm says, "Will Underground Atlanta be
flooded?" Michael says, "nope... that I don't have... we live on the hills
that are up against Kenensaw mountain so I doubt if we're going to
flood..." garygray says, "good luck, Michael. Do you jnow how to swim?!"
Michael says, "peter, probalby...."
kokhmmm says, "If they have a fire sale on U.A. merchandise, I might come
down :-)" Michael says, "U.A.?"
Michael says, "oh... Alabama"
MikeD-2 says, "I dont have much of that stuff here myself, but I'm not
likely to need the inflatables at 400 ft above sea level" kokhmmm says, "I
did buy some souveniers while I was there U.A. Underground Atlanta"
Scottyg-1 says, "I only see one unprocessed registration in the database."
MikeD-2 says, "wow"
MikeD-2 says, "slow month"
Michael says, "and not a good indication that our ads are effective at
conversion to memberships." MikeD-2 says, "any way to tell if it's a new
one" Scottyg-1 says, "I have a couple of more that came in the mail but
haven't entered yet." Scottyg-1 says, "Not a new one."
MikeD-2 says, "chances are that mail in registrations are renewals" MikeD-2
says, "It doesn't look too good for the Google ads, but then sometimes
things like that take a while to kick in" garygray says, "Michael, how long
have we had the Google ad?!" MikeD-2 says, "just under a Month"
Scottyg-1 says, "Both mail-ins are renewals." kokhmmm says, "The thing we,
and all space societies, are up against in people have become conservative
with their discretionary income in the present unsettled economic climate.
So a lot of people will be interested in what we are doing and telling
them, but that doesn't mean they will decide to shell out." kokhmmm says,
"We just have to try harder!" kokhmmm says, "And more often!"
kokhmmm says, "Not waiting for them to come to us." MikeD-2 says, "some of
the best ads are ones that just say something like 'Sponsored by Dominos'
every time they break a Simpsons episode" kokhmmm says, "We have been way
too passive in recruiting. Plus poor in retention. So net loss continues."
kokhmmm says, "We can turn that around, I believe, but it will require some
concentrated effort." MikeD-2 says, "unfortunately we've let it drift so
long that we really have to tackle both issues simultaneously" garygray
says, "We also need to try to figure out how to spread our message besides
the Google ad!" kokhmmm says, "Yes, Mike. New members, Retain current
members, AND encourage lapsed members to return. Three vectors." MikeD-2
says, "from that you seem to infer that new members are the primary
objective as they are also key to retention " MikeD-2 says, "getting a
higher listing on general google searches would help also, but I though the
ads would be more effective than they seem to be" dcarson says, "drop a
note on the leaders list to remind us to come up with ideas for member
benefits?" john-r flattens out into a largish 32 cent postage stamp and
floats away. Scottyg-1 says, "The keys to retention are timely and
repetitive reminders, and providing sufficient value that they are
motivated to renew." Scottyg-1 says, "We haven't done very well on either
score." MikeD-2 says, "a simple search for 'moon' comes up with an ad for
Mr M, The Magic Money Man" kokhmmm says, "I'll work that into my report on
registration options, Dana. Thanks." A largish 32 cent postage stamp floats
into the room and fattens up into john-r. MikeD-2 says, "have we gone over
quota or been disabled again Michael?" MikeD-2 says, "does it cost money to
stick an ad on craigslist?" kokhmmm says, "John, email it to me."
MikeD-2 says, "not that i'm sure what category we'd put it in" john-r says,
"ok"
garygray says, "What is a craigelist?!" MikeD-2 says, "
http://www.craigslist.org/" garygray says, "okay!"
MikeD-2 says, "mostly jobs, personals and items for sale" kokhmmm says, "By
the way, one thing I am going to do on my own is buy a virtual domain as a
funnel www.MoonHome.org will paralletl www.MarsHome.org and I think some
people who find out about the Mars Homestead project might just try the
corresponding url and that will direct them to us and our participation.
Worth a try. I call this a funnel domain." garygray says, "Sounds Great,
Peter!"
MikeD-2 says, "worth a try especially at < $10/yr" garygray says, "Randall,
where are we on the agenda?1" MikeD-2 says, "Somewhere between the top and
the bottom" MikeD-2 says, "this is one of our less organized meetings"
garygray says, "Sounds okay to me!"
Severy-6 says, "I think we were still in Membership Services" MikeD-2 says,
"nah, we skipped Membership Services" Severy-6 says, "So I suppose if we're
done with that we should move on to Overhaul of Chapters" MikeD-2 says,
"Sure, close em all apart from Mid Atlantic, Utah and San Diego" MikeD-2
says, "Actually, Utah outpost will probably go quiet when Jonathan moves to
CA" dcarson says, "http://www.nonprofits.org/npofaq/keywords/2n.html"
MikeD-2 says, "The outposts look to be more alive than the chapters
actually" garygray says, "Well, chapters are difficult to maitain at
times!" MikeD-2 says, "especially when half the people up and leave town
due to lack of work" garygray says, "That's one of the reasons we need a
sound space development movement.!" MikeD-2 says, "i think we need to
redefine the rules for setting up chapters" MikeD-2 says, "we have definite
hubs of activity that actually cannot form official chapters due to only
having about 3 members" SJ says, "What use does the organization derive
from chapters, aside from "socializing keeps people interested" ?" MikeD-2
says, "not a lot else unless we can get chapters involved in running
projects" MikeD-2 says, "they can perform an important function in outreach
and recruiting however" kokhmmm has disconnected.
garygray says, "Yea, running some type of project or spread the "good news'
of space development!" kokhmmm has connected.
MikeD-2 says, "The current minimum of members to form a chapter is five, so
Dallas, San Francisco and New York to name some, cannot form workable
chapters" kokhmmm says, "Yes, the rule of 5 is absurd when most states do
not have that many members." MikeD-2 says, "NYC and SF are very difficult
to form chapters in, they're too spread out, I assume LA has the same
problem" kokhmmm says, "So far only St. Louis has jumped thru that hoop. We
have to make it easier, not harder. Three members should earn a charter."
Michael says, "total clicks: 1,554, impressions: 476,520, CTR: 0.3%, total
spent $139...." kokhmmm says, "I got booted off by AOL, and its late, so I
am going to turn in. Thanks, guys." MikeD-2 says, "I agree with that, it
would allow North Texas (Dallas), SF Bay Area, and NYC to form official
chapters almost immediately" kokhmmm says, "And that would make us look
much more real!" MikeD-2 says, "exactly"
kokhmmm says, "Greg has been opposed to that change, but I strongly feel we
must make it." MikeD-2 says, "it would also only require one more member in
Ireland to form an Irish chapter" SJ says, "It means that any space
activist who can twist the arms of two friends can be a chapter if he wants
to. Good or bad?" MikeD-2 says, "I think the bar is too high at present, if
it were lowerd a bit it would encourage growth" kokhmmm says, "If NSS with
45 members to our 1 can only form 30 some chapters with a rule of 3, it
seems absurd for us to have a higher bar." MikeD-2 says, "Good if they
actually work as a chapter" kokhmmm says, "Also, we should allow NSS
independently incorporated chapters to serve as Moon Society outposts if
they so choose. That would let in Milwaukee and Oregon (Portland) right
away, and maybe more eventually." SJ says, "Should we let chapters choose a
lunar site to colonize, first come, first served?" MikeD-2 says, "How many
in Milwaukee NSS Peter?" kokhmmm says, "About a dozen, Mike."
MikeD-2 says, "That's quite a bit in the future Steve" kokhmmm says, "More
than that in Oregon (Portland)" SJ says, "It's a roleplaying game, and it
would give people something to focus imagination on." MikeD-2 says, "Even
the few people we have from Oregon at present would be enough for a chapter
if the bar was lowered" MikeD-2 says, "That's a good point Steve" MikeD-2
says, "That was part of the idea in the MOO, but I think most members have
grown too accustomed to graphic interfaces for the MOO to work well in that
area" dcarson says, "hmm, swap an ad for GURPS Transhuman Space on our site
for one in Pyramid?" MikeD-2 says, "I also feel we should have approached
The Space Show about mutual sponsorship before now" Michael has an
invitation to that that's outstanding.... I need to respond... Michael
says, "also, the good Dr. feels slighted by whoever was supposed to do it
last time..." MikeD-2 says, "Ian, yes"
Michael says, "miscommunication, I'm sure, but that was the impression that
was left...." MikeD-2 says, "Ian's phone was hosed"
Michael says, "yep"
SJ says, "We could work an ad swap, sure." Michael has a splitting headache
and has to hed to bed..... Michael says, "s/head/"
MikeD-2 says, "We need to organize a backup person in case Ian isn't
available for whatever reason" MikeD-2 says, "he's been having a bad year
with phones and jobs etc" Michael says, "g'nite...."
MikeD-2 says, "night"
MikeD-2 says, "take your snorkel to bed just in case" kokhmmm says, "good
night all, and thanks" kokhmmm has disconnected.
garygray says, "If NSS has a mimunium of 3 the I think the Moon Society can
build on three member chapters!" MikeD-2 says, "I've thought that for a
long time" dcarson says, "sp lets change it"
MikeD-2 says, "the requirement for 5 has limited chapter formation in many
locations" MikeD-2 says, "I suspect changing that requres a vote and a
quorum" garygray says, "Yes, and at times big things grow from little
things!" MikeD-2 says, "I usually phrase that as 'Sometimes less is more'"
john-r says, "is at shower"
MikeD-2 says, "that sounds like Irish grammar John" The housekeeper arrives
to cart kokhmmm off to bed. garygray says, "Randall, what do you think? It
seems to me that chaging from 5 to 3 takes Board action.!" Severy-6 says,
"I suspect so, Gary"
MikeD-2 says, "Can you remember the reason the figure was set at five
Randall?" Severy-6 says, "It seemed a reasonable number at the time"
MikeD-2 says, "considering that out membership was higher at the time, that
makes some sense" MikeD-2 says, "Gary, you may or may not already be aware,
but all space advocacy groups have been suffering from falling membership
for about 3.5 to 4 years now" garygray says, "Yes I am aware of that in
genrak terms!" garygray says, "I need to leave soon, I don't know if the
Board wants to act on this issue now or talk about it more at the next
meeting. I don't see a real negative to reducing to 3.!" MikeD-2 says, "the
board couldn't act now afaik, there aren't enough people left" Scottyg-1
says, "Bedtime for me guys. G'nite!" garygray says, "Good Night, everyone'"
MikeD-2 says, "there goes another one"
Scottyg-1 has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to remove Scottyg-1. garygray has disconnected.
MikeD-2 has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to remove MikeD-2. SJ has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to cart garygray off to bed. The housekeeper
arrives to cart SJ off to bed. john-r says, "and i need to sleep, night
all" john-r has disconnected.
Nancy-1 has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to remove Nancy-1. The housekeeper arrives to cart
john-r off to bed. DaveW has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to cart DaveW off to bed. dcarson goes home.
Michael says, "
http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-6459-7204 <--
drooooool"

-- End log: Thursday, September 16, 2004 9:55:37 am ASI Meeting Server time--