-- Start log: Wednesday, January 4, 2012 9:04:31 pm ASI Meeting Server time-- 
Lunadyne says, "Roll call!" bnault says, "here" Lunadyne says, "Here"
pjbanyai says, "here" Chard says, "here" lesausl says, "here" ronb22 says,
"here" Lunadyne says, "Do we have any officer reports? I'm hoping the
membership numbers are way up!" dcarson says, "here" Lunadyne says, "On the
President's side, I've been continuing to update the Facebook page on a
regular basis." pjbanyai says, "One member just expired a few days ago. So
total membership has dropped to 149." dcarson says, "found a link to post
http://dreamsofspace.blogspot.com/" Lunadyne says, "I've started contacting
the chapters and outposts to kick things off for 2012" Lunadyne says,
"Bernard Foing from ESA commented on my post about chapter projects,
specifically regarding Lunar Lava tubes. We've started corresponding in
that regard." Lunadyne says, "He may be able to help get some European
momentum." Lunadyne says, "In contacting the chapters I mentioned that
we're looking for help with our eBook project." Lunadyne says, "Ben has
been doing a great job getting things rolling, but he and Peter shouldn't
do it alone. Having a team will help cultivate new editors for MMM as
well." Lunadyne says, "A website issue that has come up is that Peter seems
to be having difficulties posting to the website since the upgrade."
dcarson says, "yeah, it should be the same" pjbanyai says, "Google has
apparently mad it easyier to setup a free non-profits account. However we
need to setup a gmail account setup as mycompany@gmail.com. Unfortunetly
moonsociety@gmail.com, moon.society@gmail.com, themoonsociety@gmail.com,
and the.moon.society@gmail.com have all been taken. I tracked down
moon.society as linked to facebook/moonsociety and moonsociety linked to
myspace/moonsociety. I believe one of the four may also be linked to ebay
which may cause a problem with setting up a paypal account since ebay owns
paypal. Our myspace account is moon_society however we can not use that for
gmail since they only allow letters (a-z), numbers (0-9), and periods (.)."
dcarson says, "haven't seen anything offhand that should cause it" pjbanyai
says, "I noticed that php5 extensions do not work." dcarson says, "ah that
could cause it" bnault says, "do we know who owns all these moon society
gmail accounts? could it be Charles?" pjbanyai says, "Any page ending in
php5 is seen as a downloadable page instead of being parsed by php."
dcarson says, "that should be fixable in the conf file" Lunadyne says, "I
was just going to say the same thing re: e-mails. Paul, have you tried
contacting Charles about them?" Lunadyne says, "Or do you want me to talk
to him?" Lunadyne says, "Does anyone talk to Charles?" Chard says, "I
haven't talked to him in awhile" Lunadyne says, "He does still show up on
the Facebook page." Chard says, "but I remember him changing his skype
profile pic so that it had a green overlay... which I just figured out why"
Lunadyne says, "Which is?" lesausl says, "Is this about Charles Radley?"
pjbanyai says, "themoonsociety@gmail.com is listed as Mona Sweeney.
moonsociety@gmail.com is apparently listed as someone in denmark. The ebay
account points to Canada. I am only using the free information from
spokeo.com paid subscription has more info. Charles posted a few days ago
that his computer crashed and that he may have problems connecting for
awhile." Lunadyne says, "Correct." Chard says, "in protest of ithe
elections in iran" Lunadyne says, "Ah." Chard says, "i have a paid
subscription to spokeo" Chard says, "will look them up tomorrow when I'm on
that system that has all of my account information" dcarson says, "thanks"
Lunadyne says, "Thanks for looking into the e-mails, Paul." Lunadyne says,
"and Jason." Lunadyne says, "Maybe we could try for
TheRealMoonSociety@gmail.com" bnault says, "or MoonSocietyUSA@gmail"
pjbanyai says, "I also looked into the patent/trademark office and
apparently we do not have anything trademarked." Lunadyne says, "Is 'The
Moon Society' trademarked?" pjbanyai says, "moonsocietyorg,
moonsocietyinternational and moonsocietyinc are available as well as with
periods." Chard says, "i was thinking there was backstory on that" Lunadyne
says, "MoonSocietyTransglobal?" pjbanyai says, "I could not find any
trademark at all. The Artemis Society had several which have expired."
Chard says, "ie: moonsociety.com --- which takes you to lunarrepublic.com
now" Lunadyne says, "How much to trademark 'The Moon Society'?" dcarson
says, "not cheap" Lunadyne says, "I'm not so worried about MoonSociety.com.
We're an organization and I'm fine with .org. It helps clarify our 501c3
status." dcarson says, "someplaces claim to do it for 100, not sure if that
is accurate, I know it cost more like a thousand for the ASI stuff" Chard
says, "http://www.uspto.gov/inventors/trademarks.jsp" Chard says, "275 to
375 usd" Chard says, "that's just for the app" Chard says, "then figure
$500 or so for the attorney " Chard says, "then they'll research it and
file it... so $1k seems about right?" bnault says, "we could ask Jeffrey
Liss from NSS for advice on this. He may be able to help. I assume he knows
how NSS is setup." Lunadyne says, "It looks like we would trademark the
Moon Society logo, including name and website." bnault says, "and MMM....?"
Lunadyne says, "According to the legalese we'd have to register it for each
class or service." Lunadyne says, "MMM is copyright, right?" pjbanyai says,
"lunarrepublic posted an acknowledgment about us several years ago (It
disappeared from their site a few months later). They have supposedly setup
a lunarrepublic society for their members although I doubt that has really
established connections between any of their customers. " Lunadyne says, "I
remember that guy tried to join my LinkedIn network." pjbanyai says,
"Charles is on facebook right now. He says he did not setup any gmail
accounts." ronb22 says, "Ken - the MMM Nov.2011 shows a copyright 2010
Lunar Reclamation Society, Inc. " Lunadyne says, "Well I certainly don't
want to get a Yahoo! account. I always hated that about NSS of North Texas'
email account." Lunadyne says, "Ron, IIRC Lunar Reclamation Society has the
actual rights, but was transfering them to TMS." pjbanyai says, "Currently
the facebook username themoonsociety is available. The Mars Society used
TheMarsSociety." Lunadyne says, "Can we grab TheMoonSociety and point it to
the Moon Society site we're using?" bnault says, "I don't think FB allows
that." bnault says, "maybe we could simple change the page name to The Moon
Society - name changes are allowed one or twice (I think)." Lunadyne says,
"Well, over 3,000 likes would be hard to give up. And I hope I'm giving the
main page an identifiable character as an information source." pjbanyai
says, "We can set the username to TheMoonSociety. We can also activate
facebook email so that we would have TheMoonSociety@facebook.com. You can't
change the username of Moon Society once you set it." Lunadyne says, "I say
change the UserName and activate the email, but use that email mainly for
Facebook purposes. I want an email that's independent independent."
Lunadyne says, "The more we use the The Moon Society name, the stronger our
standing with it in the market, and in courts if need be." dcarson says,
"true" pjbanyai says, "So we should probably see about recovering
themoonsociety@gmail.com and the.moon.society@gmail.com. A gmail account is
also a youtube account. Google is also setting Google+ to be a rival to
facebook." Lunadyne says, "By the same token, proliferating web assets
become hard to manage. I do still want to see a list of websites and
Usernames/Passwords that's relatively comprehensive." Lunadyne says, "Can
we set up The Moon Society on Google+, or is that still a maybe in the
future?" pjbanyai says, "We can setup Google+ once we get a google apps
account. However we first need to be able to setup a gmail account."
dcarson says, "companies can have pages on google+
http://www.google.com/+/business/" dcarson says, "couldn't at first but can
now" Lunadyne says, "Oh we should definitely grab that. Gives us more
credibility when we try to get the gmail account." Lunadyne says, "Oh wow,
you should see the email I just got from the Phoenix chapter." Lunadyne
says, "I mentioned Moon Day, and here's what he noted to the folks he
forwarded it to: "I believe that a workbook for the Community" Lunadyne
says, "Moon Day" style event that he mentions would help each chapter to
have guidance on how to Plan and" Lunadyne [to to]: work with along with
the "HERMES" group to help promote the exploration of Space. Lunadyne says,
"Whoa, goofed that. Hold on." Lunadyne says, "I believe that a workbook for
the Community "Moon Day" style event that he mentions would help each
chapter to have guidance on how to Plan and Execute such evens and how to
finance such events. We have a lot of Aerospace Companies locally that
could help with what he wants to do, along with the Challenger Center, the
Arizona Science Center and others. And we also have the NSS Chapter, the
MENSA Special Interest Group (SIG) and along with members of the Mars
Society, The Planetary Society, the local Rocket clubs and other Science
and Space related groups to to work with along with the 'HERMES' group to
help promote the exploration of Space." Lunadyne says, "So there may be two
Moon Day events this year." Lunadyne says, "Moving on, as we only have
about half an hour or so..." Lunadyne says, "Dana, have we heard from
PayPal re: the tax status?" Lunadyne says, "Hello?" dcarson says, "nothing
yet" dcarson says, "there is a rason why patpal sucks comes up well over a
million google hits" Lunadyne says, "Maybe I should have my attorney write
them a nasty letter..." dcarson says, "end of month maybe" dcarson says,
"big problem is how hard it is to get a person" Lunadyne says, "Any other
website issues I should know about?" dcarson says, "not that I can think
of, but I am on nyquil" pjbanyai says, "I have not setup the Amazon
Payments account yet. I need date established, Estimated transaction volume
per month, Average Tranaction amount, and customer service email address.
We may also want to change the user id to a different email such as
whatever gmail account we setup. Amazon requires a fax of corporate bank
account statement with the user id on it in order to link a bank account."
dcarson says, "ok will gather that info" Lunadyne says, "And while you're
on Nyquil, any other suggestions for the e-mail address?" Lunadyne says,
"TheMoonSocietyGlobal@" Lunadyne says, "TheFullMoonSociety" pjbanyai says,
"We can setup a free dreamhost account with free shared hosting and one
free domain registration. Other features such as private server, dedicated
server, unique IP and more domains are extra. They have promo codes which
provide extra free domains or free ip however that also restricts transfer
of any domain previosly hosted with dreamhost such as lunarpedia." pjbanyai
says, "I believe there is may actually be another non-profit already called
The Full Moon Society." Lunadyne says, "Bummer" Lunadyne says,
"TheHonestToGoodnessMoonSociety" pjbanyai says, "I found on google search
The Full Moon Poetry Society and Harvest Moon Society. We should also try
not to have a realy long name:)" dcarson says, "there is a Lunar Society
that goes back a ways" dcarson says, "18th century think tank that met on
full moons so there was enough light to get home" pjbanyai says, "we should
also check with Peter and see if he setup any accounts. I was actually
thinking of sending a comprehesive poll to everyone on the Leadership
mailing list to determine who has access to what assets." lesausl says,
"Yes. Even for people on Nyquil. . ." dcarson says, "yes, we need a master
list" pjbanyai says, "Ben franklen was a member of the Lunar Society."
Lunadyne says, "I think that's a great idea, Paul." bnault says, "yes a
master list is needed." Lunadyne says, "Web assets proliferate like zebra
mussels, and it gets hard to keep track of everything." dcarson says,
"microsoft has lost track of some they own" Lunadyne says, "Doesn't
surprise me." Lunadyne says, "Okay, last few minutes - any other issues?"
lesausl says, "I move we adjourn." dcarson says, "second" pjbanyai says,
"Also if someone has a moonsociety email attached to a gmail account as a
secondary email it can not be setup a google apps email. For example
Charles still has vice-president@moonsociety.org as a secondary address on
his personal account(just sent reminder to remove it). I assume that Dana's
personal moonsociety email maybe the reason for the helpdir disconnect."
Lunadyne says, "Got it. All those in favor of adjourning?" lesausl says,
"Aye" ronb22 says, "Aye " bnault says, "aye" dcarson says, "aye" pjbanyai
says, "aye" Lunadyne says, "So be it." lesausl says, "G'Nite all!" ronb22
says, "Good night everyone!" lesausl has disconnected. ronb22 has
disconnected. bnault says, "goodnight!" 
-- End log: Wednesday, January 4, 2012 11:02:51 pm ASI Meeting Server time --