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kokhmmm says, "145 is steady. Down 27 from when? maybe two years ago."
Lunadyne says, "No, 2, from last meeting." Scottyg says, "One shortcoming
of Team Director is that there is no way provided to get historical
membership numbers. It would be a good thing if someone would get the
current membership once a month and enter that into a spreadsheet."
Lunadyne says, "In any event it seems to be running flat. We need to get
those numbers up. " Lunadyne says, "Good point Scotty. Would we be able to
reconstruct from past minutes?" Scottyg says, "Maybe not 100%, but the
meetings generally included a membership report." kokhmmm says, "I keep
offering to write a form letter to go to new members acquainting them with
their benefits, how to do this, thate, etc. but it remains something to do
and I don't seem to get around to it." lesausl has disconnected. Scottyg
says, "I used to keep that data as part of the bookkeeping but stopped in
July 2005." lesausl has connected. Lunadyne says, "Peter, given the
complexity of our website that doesn't surprise me." Lunadyne says, "If I
can free up some time I need to refocus on the website." kokhmmm says, "I
used to keep the membrership figutes sent with the MMM hardcopy list on the
25th of each month, but have not continued in recent years" kokhmmm says,
"It was a roller coaster for a while." pjbanyai says, "Chip Proser's
membership expired in 2008. He has apparently lost control of all his
websites including mooncolony.tv which was at least partially devoted to
our video media. The Youtube account/Channel for MoonColony is still
active." Lunadyne says, "It was probably too depressing to log the slow
decline in the membership rolls." Lunadyne says, "Ouch. Were we sourcing
from his site or YouTube?" lesausl has disconnected. Lunadyne says, "Next
up on the agenda is Treasury." lesausl has connected. Lunadyne says,
"Scotty says we've made some progress in that regard." kokhmmm says,
"2002-05-25 206 hardopies" dcarson says, "Scotty and I have worked wit
Quickbooks and I am updating our books" Lunadyne says, "Excellent/" kokhmmm
says, "1003-02-25 146 hardcopies 245 members" kokhmmm says, "etc/." dcarson
says, "so in a month or so I hope to be able to have auditable records"
lesausl says, "FYI I am using a new HP Touchscreen anbd MAN thgis thing is
SENSITIVE.. I have bumped off twice alreadfy. . .sorry." Lunadyne says,
"Once we get those updated we'll go to a CPA for an audit, and to backfill
our 990-Ns." Lunadyne says, "Once that happens, we can get our charitable
records cleaned up." Lunadyne says, "We can also go to PayPal with our
audit letter and tell them to play nice." Scottyg says, "Dana, I've started
preparing for the next step on the bookkeeping which requires bank
statements." pjbanyai says, "The website has link s to the channel and to a
single video on the channel. However, all the videos either have embeded
info/links about mooncolony.tv or gaiaselene." Scottyg says, "I find that I
have statements up to July, 2005 and then again starting in Jan, 2008 but
there's a gap between those dates." dcarson says, "thanks Scotty" Scottyg
says, "I remember sending you some stuff - can ypou see if you have those?"
Lunadyne says, "Have we used the same bank the whole time?" dcarson says,
"yes we have" dcarson says, "and yes Scotty, they are sitting right there"
dcarson points to file Lunadyne says, "Oh, never mind." Scottyg says, "Good
- i thought that's where they were." Lunadyne says, "Next on the Agenda is
MMM." kokhmmm says, "The March hardcopyu issue should be in the mail. April
issue on schedule. " lesausl says, "Ken, did the material I attached
earlier gert through in recognizable form?" kokhmmm says, "Have not got
further with the classics, nor purchased the MS Office version that will
work on my new laptop. Soon" Lunadyne says, "Bryce, I did receive them but
haven't had a chance to review. Luckily I" lesausl says, "Sorry Peter.
Didn't menba to interrupt you." Lunadyne says, "have the next two days
off."" Lunadyne says, "Did we get formal approval to pay for half of the
laptop?" kokhmmm says, "I believe it was put to a vote and approved."
lesausl says, "OK Ken" kokhmmm says, "Did the LRS treasurer send you a copy
of the Apple Store receipt?" kokhmmm says, "If not, I will get that."
dcarson says, "I have the recepiet Ptere, are there any other costs, those
were mentioned but I haven't seen anything" dcarson says, "send the check
to LRS?" Lunadyne says, "I think the only other thing was a copy of MS
Word, but we were arguing over who should get the copy." kokhmmm says, "I
can't think of anything else. Yes, but now we have changed our name back to
Milwaukee Lunar Reclamation Society." kokhmmm says, "Or Milwaukee Lunar
Reclamation Society NSS, actually, but MLRS will do, I think" dcarson says,
"email me how the check should be made out" dcarson says, "and where to
send it" dcarson says, "will get it out by the end of week" Lunadyne says,
"Okay, one of the discussions we've been having is how to get some
editorial help for Peter for MMM." pjbanyai says, "Microsoft has free
Office Live. They also have a new Office 365 coming out in April which will
replace Office Live for Small Businesses. Microsoft might have a special
deal for non-profits." kokhmmm says, "Had to do that to restore our non
profit status." Lunadyne says, "I know Bryce has expressed an interest in
helping, as did Paul's sister. And there was a third that I just blanked
out on." kokhmmm says, "YOu should be geting an email from Bob Bialecki,
bobriverwest@yahoo.com, with instructions, probably this weekend as he is
not on line during the week." dcarson says, "I know from SF cons that if
you write to companies and tell them you are a nonprofit that does X and
would the donate software etc you often do get some nice stuff" dcarson
says, "might ask Micosoft and Adobe etc" dcarson says, "OK, thanks Ptere"
kokhmmm says, "I talked with Paul's sister and suggested some things she
could do to help, non-pressure, non-deadline items." Scottyg-1 says, "Who
was the Microsoft co-founder? (Not Bill gates) Can't remember his name.""
Lunadyne says, "Paul Allen?" Scottyg-1 says, "Since He's a space buff,
maybe he could twist some arms." Lunadyne says, "Or that guy that was on
Big Bang Theory?" Scottyg-1 says, "Yeah, Paul Allen" Lunadyne says, "In any
event, Peter I would like to see you start handing off editing chores so
that you can focus on content, and getting the book together." Lunadyne
says, "I really, really want to see that MMM book." kokhmmm says, "Lately,
I have been distracted by unrelated things. " Lunadyne says, "You and me
both." Lunadyne says, "Y'all think I'm bad now, wait till I meet a girl..."
kokhmmm says, "Ken, I am planning future articles in a way that will help
prepare for the book. So I am working on it in that sense. " lesausl says,
"Meeting them is easy. Keeping them from pressing charges is the problem. .
." Lunadyne says, "While we're on books, let's move to the next agenda
item, the Kindle proect. We are a bit stalled while we get the books and
stuff straightened out, but IIRC Ben had started looking at other
platforms?" bnault says, "I looked at market shares for each...Kindle leads
by far" Lunadyne says, "So it sounds like we should just keep slowly
prepping the archives for when we publish." bnault says, "if I remember
correctly their next competitor had less than 20% market share" Scottyg-1
says, "Kindle readers are available for a variety of platforms." Lunadyne
says, "I meant like the Nook and some of the generic e-readers." Scottyg-1
says, "You aren't limited to Kindle hardware." bnault says, "so basically,
yes, Kindle is the way to go" dcarson says, "once you have it in one
ereader format the conversion to the others is mostly done" bnault says,
"that's correct Dana" kokhmmm says, "I do not know how Kindle is received
in Europe, but according to Pradeep there is almost no market in India."
Lunadyne says, "They probably don't have adequate infrastructure for it."
bnault says, "thet are very strong on wireless phones..." bnault says,
"what they probably lack is content in Hindi" kokhmmm says, "Ken did you
see the note I sent out about "mobile websites? - we had an inquiry from a
provider." Lunadyne says, "But how widespread is the infrastructure, and
could it handle the additional load of a nation of Kindle readers?" dcarson
says, "english is more popular I think, they've left the other official
languages each hve a local power bloc and therefore enamies" Lunadyne says,
"Sorry Peter, I'm still trying to get caught up in my e-mails. My
philosophy there is that we can redesign thehe website to make it more
mobile friendly." kokhmmm says, "English is the true (but non-official)
lingua franca of India, and all college instruction is in English. Hindi is
very much restricted to northern India and has met enormous resistence
elsewhere." dcarson says, "I thought English was one of the dozen official
languages" bnault says, "by Hindi I meant the numerous local or state
languages..." pjbanyai says, "Google Books is probably the best ereader for
India. As I mentioned in my reply to peters note about the mobile provider,
I believe that Google Sites can be used to setup a mobile page. The"
pjbanyai says, "Google Books is probably the best ereader for India. As I
mentioned in my reply to peters note about the mobile provider, I believe
that Google Sites can be used to setup a mobile page. The Mars Society
apparently uses Google for m.marssociety.org. We just need our Guidestar
account fully updated in order to start setting up our Google Non-profit
account. I sent out several Guidestar admin invites 2 weeks ago." kokhmmm
says, "Hindi is the "official" language but that is largely fiction"
Lunadyne says, "Paul I'll try to get to that this weekend." Lunadyne says,
"Which for me is sort of the next four days." Lunadyne says, "Like usual I
get to go into work on my days off." kokhmmm says, "It seems to me that
Aldrin created a space app a while ago for Iphone but as I do not have one,
I wouldn't know." Lunadyne says, "While we're on websites, Peter got a
notice from CafePress for lack of activity." Lunadyne says, "The question I
have is do we want to continue it when we update our website and link to it
from our "Space Market" page?" Lunadyne says, "Frankly, I've found
CafePress' quality to be lacking and pretty much don't use it." kokhmmm
says, "Paul thinks we should drop the Artemis Sim 1 shop and I agree. And
he suggests we need fresh artwork for the the Moon Society shop proper, and
I agree" kokhmmm says, "But that is easier said than done. Should we have a
contest aiming at Cafe Press art?" Lunadyne says, "We do need a gallery
page of art that we have the right to use." kokhmmm says, "The only
advantage is that we do not need to pay for an inventory." Lunadyne says,
"Which for non-profits is HUGE." dcarson says, "can use lots of artwork so
not necessarilly a winner, maybe a free item for each piece we use?"
kokhmmm says, "Maybe we will get some ideas by pursuing our CisLunar
Econosphere theme" dcarson says, "making a Cislunat Econ art and getting
shirts for ISDC might be good" kokhmmm says, "But that is easier said than
done. " Lunadyne says, "Once we get our track finalized I do want to send
out Press Release on the topic." Lunadyne says, "Dangit I wish Jason was
here." Lunadyne says, "So it does sound like the CafePress website still
might have some utility for us." Lunadyne says, "Peter, let's go ahead and
do a login to keep it active." Lunadyne says, "We also need to remember to
add it and the U/N and P/W to our web asset log." Lunadyne says, "Since
we've broached the Cislunar Econosphere, let's move on to that topic."
Lunadyne says, "I talked with Dave Dunlop tonite, who is down at LPSC."
kokhmmm says, "Ken, I don't think we need a username and password to order
from Cafe Press" dcarson says, "need one to add new art however" Lunadyne
says, "No, but we should to manage our account." kokhmmm says, "Jason's #
is 865740-2936- b ut I do not have a phone handy" kokhmmm says, "I'll see
if I can find the UN/PW" dcarson says, "and we need to change the email
address, what I have for that is michael@exoaerospace.com" kokhmmm says,
"Michael had given me instructions for changing that, but I was never able
to follow them, and not sure I still have that information." Lunadyne says,
"I'll bet Paul could do it." Lunadyne says, "Basically, Dave sees our
program as 1) Me, 2) His Track, 3) GRAIL, and 4) Google Lunar XPrize"
kokhmmm says, "I found Michael's instructions and will email them to Paul"
pjbanyai says, "Speaking which who knows how to setup a new team for the
Management Committee or Executive team. I actually have my own Cafepress
account and it is fairly easy to change username and password once logged
in." Lunadyne says, "I tried to indicate that we need to build more
flexibility into our schedule as we haven't nailed down all of the content.
Still, he absolutely insisted that I commit to having him has hour 2 so
that he can tell his speakers exactly when they're going to talk on Sunday
afternoon." Lunadyne says, "Paul, don't forget about e-mail address."
Scottyg-1 says, "Paul, I can set up new Teams." Scottyg-1 says, "But its
been a long time since I've done one and I'm rusty on it." kokhmmm says,
"Ken, Dave's ideas sound okay, but we may want more time for (your)
cis-lunar econosphere presentation. GRAIL may not have much data as yet,
but hitchhiker Google Lunar Xprize missions are fascinating." Scottyg-1
says, "Send me an email describing what you want." Lunadyne says, "John
Strickland had indicated an interest in a cislunar logistics track, but
seems to have punted to focus on the Awards committee." Lunadyne says,
"Well, Dave's not running the track, I am, and I told him I didn't think
what he proposed was adequately compelling." Lunadyne says, "Things got a
bit heated as I tried to get him to accept a bit of scheduling flexibility,
but ended up conceding the hour 2 timeslot." Lunadyne says, "So we've got
that immovable object to schedule around. I asked him to try to talk to
some of the younger Lunar scientists to generate some Next Gen interest."
kokhmmm says, "Dave is much more interested in near term, one step at a
time, than long term like you and me." Lunadyne says, "He did talk to
Alexandra Hall of GLXP. Apparently NSS HQ has contacted some of the teams,
but not all, and it's a bit scattershot. GLXP is starting a summit on
Memorial Day, and their registration is Sunday, so there may be quite a few
folks around." Lunadyne says, "He also talked to Maria Zuber, who will be
indisposed that weekend, but suggested we contact their D.C. rep. Dave
Smith." Lunadyne says, "That's for GRAIL." Lunadyne says, "I wouldn't want
to give GRAIL more than 1/2 an hour." Lunadyne says, "NSS may want them for
a higher profile time." Lunadyne says, "Did Al want to talk?" bnault says,
"I don't think Al will go to this ISDC." Lunadyne says, "We've also got
elections coming up." bnault says, "I think he is shooting for San
Diego..." Lunadyne says, "I will run again for Pres. if you'll have me. "
Scottyg-1 says, "I nominate Ken Murphy for President." bnault says,
"second" Lunadyne says, "Roger Wilco." Scottyg-1 says, "All in favor say
"Aye"" Scottyg-1 says, "Aye" bnault says, "aye" dcarson says, "aye"
pjbanyai says, "Aye" lesausl says, "aye" Lunadyne says, "Peter, how you
feeling about Secretary? Should we start shaking the bushes?" Scottyg-1
says, "Does that get the message across Ken?" Lunadyne says, "Again, Roger
Wilco." Lunadyne says, "lol" Lunadyne says, "That's short for 'Roger, Will
Comply', right?" Scottyg-1 =) kokhmmm says, "Well, if we could find a
secretary I wiould be available for a board vacancy - your decision on
that" kokhmmm says, "Secretary has always been the hardest position to
fill." Lunadyne says, "Because the job sucks so bad. I hated it when I was
Secretary of UNA-NYC." dcarson says, "well, keep filled" kokhmmm says, "I
was talking to my roomer and missed the vote - count me as aye" Lunadyne
says, "Could I get at least a token competitor on the ballot?" kokhmmm
says, "Are all board members up for reelection willing to run?" bnault
says, "am i up for re-up?" Lunadyne says, "We;ve got two Board seats up for
vote, right?" Lunadyne says, "And aren't we prepping Al?" Scottyg-1 says,
"I would only run against you with the provision I get to endors you."
Lunadyne says, "Hmmm." Lunadyne says, "That's making my Aspie brain hurt."
Scottyg-1 says, "LMAO. It was intended to!" Lunadyne says, "lol" Lunadyne
says, "Peter, when do we need the formal stuff for MMM?" kokhmmm says, "The
bylaws says the ballot should be in the May issue, " kokhmmm says, "We have
often been late, however." Lunadyne says, "C'mon, you know how I feel about
fair and honest elections. It's why I'll never be able to run for political
office." Lunadyne says, "Okay, moving on. We approved the ISDC Hospitality
Suite last time, so next up is website." kokhmmm says, "We have two
vacancies (Fred Hills, Ron Brooks) plus Ben is up for reelection, Al is
available. We need at least one more. " Lunadyne says, "What I'm thinking
at this point is that we fill out the level after the beautiful
frontispiece that Scotty did for us." Lunadyne says, "Just looking through
the membership rolls..." Lunadyne says, "Hey, how about chuck Lesher?"
bnault says, "Chuck was secretary for a bit, but dropped out after a while"
kokhmmm says, "Chuck seems up to his eyeballs in taking care of his aging
mother, but he is worth asking. So are many chapter leaders" kokhmmm says,
"I have asked chapter leaders before and got no response." bnault says, "he
had a personal situation to handle" kokhmmm says, "Mike Mackowski of
Phoenix is a great guy, known him for 25 years" kokhmmm says, "Ben do you
know him?" Lunadyne says, "Actually he did mention his Mom. He asked me to
write the Foreword to his new book about space solar power, "Out of the
Cradle"" bnault says, "email only" kokhmmm says, "He put on a gangbuster
Yuri's Nigt last year" Lunadyne says, "Yuri's Night? I'm sold." kokhmmm
says, "Bob Perry of St Louis is a possibility." kokhmmm says, "I'll ask
around" Lunadyne says, "FWIW I was a volunteer at the first YN in LA, the
one that Loretta was at." bnault says, "Al, Mike and Ben = Arizona-heavy
board..." Lunadyne says, "AZ also seems to be quite active. Must be that
libertarian bent they got going out there." kokhmmm says, "Well, you guys
got what it takes" bnault says, "speaking of activity, Al and I are working
on a project with ramifications for MS" Lunadyne says, "AZ's NSS fu is
strong also." Lunadyne says, "What might that be?" bnault says, "tonight Al
is getting his training for access to the Tucson Community Cable outfit. "
bnault says, "we are planning a space-theme TV show" Lunadyne says, "Nice!"
bnault says, "for broadcast here locally, BUT also through Youtube and
Facebook, including the Moon Society pages" kokhmmm says, "Yes, he told me
about that. Al and I have been working many hours on a project." Lunadyne
says, "The Triways. Where is that getting published?" bnault says,
"Triway?" kokhmmm says, "Yes" kokhmmm says, "Ready to submit to Ad Adtra
after a few peer reviews" Lunadyne says, "Sweet!" Lunadyne says, "What's
the timing on that?" bnault says, "Al has askeed a number of us here to
review and he is getting some very good, constructive, criticism" kokhmmm
says, "We're taking that one step at a time. After peer reviews it is up to
the Ad Astra editor. Do you wnat us to see if we can get it in before ISDC?
We had not thought about that." bnault says, "at the very least it should
be shown, distributed, whatever at ISDC..." Lunadyne says, "Ooh, post-ISDC
article on Cislunar Econosphere for Ad Astra." kokhmmm says, "We can do
that. Right now there are two documents." kokhmmm says, "1) a declaration;
whereas, whereas, etc. therefore" kokhmmm says, "2) a lengthy explanation
and justification" kokhmmm says, "Ideally, a follow on book." kokhmmm says,
"Ben, perhaps we could print it in quantity for the registration packets"
bnault says, "that would be a good idea" Lunadyne says, "Agreed." bnault
says, "it would reach the target audience" kokhmmm says, "We would like to
lineup cosponsors." kokhmmm says, "Although that is something we can do
after theintro at ISDC" bnault says, "yes, i am not sure what the next step
would be for that document" kokhmmm says, "The gist of it is instead of 3
groups fighting one another over destinations, ww should be working
together to insure development of the technologies needed for all three
(Moon, asteroids, Mars)" Lunadyne says, "speaking of printing up some
documents, do we have a membership registration brochure? Something like a
tri-fold that could be done as a glossy?" kokhmmm says, "I'll send you the
pdfs for what I have, Ken" Lunadyne says, "I've decided I'd like to do
those before the postcards." kokhmmm says, "It can be revised, upon your
review." Lunadyne says, "Especially if we can get some printed up before
the ISDC." bnault says, "a glossy brochure needs to be heavy on photos, to
catch the eye" dcarson says, "oh, NASA CU mailing arrived here" Lunadyne
says, "The logo gets one of the six faces. It'd be nice to have a Kaguya
Earthrise background on one side." dcarson says, "wonder if they will be at
ISDC, I've seen them there before" Lunadyne says, "Haven't gotten mine yet,
but meant to mention that those had just gone out." Lunadyne says, "Credit
unions are a different creature from the banks, and they make more sense
than most folks realize." pjbanyai says, "So is everyone aware of the fact
that NASA is planning to setup another mars analog base in Hawaii which is
supposed to be an exact clone of the MDRS. The big question is if NASA
plans on redirecting funding from the International Lunar Research Park to
their new Mars Hawaiian Research Station." Lunadyne says, "I do personally,
after more than 20 years in the financial industry, bank with a credit
union." dcarson says, "joined the Westinghouse one shortly after I started
working" Lunadyne says, "Paul, that's why if anyone shows me a project and
the steps are 1) brilliant idea, 2) get NASA funding, and 3) Utopia, I'm
reminded of the underwear gnomes of South Park." Lunadyne says, "My view is
that more funding needs to come from the private sector - companies,
universities, foundations, and yes even not-for-profits." Lunadyne says,
"If we weren't burning through cash getting infrastructure in place, I'd be
willing to throw some TMS money at ILRP." kokhmmm says, "Ken sent you the
brochure file - it is large, 25 mg because of the color image" kokhmmm
says, "We'd probably print it in B/W" kokhmmm says, "But you may want to
revise the text and replace the image, your call." kokhmmm says, "Could we
get Space-X to sketch their idea of an initial lunar outpost? (Bigelow
already had done so) " Lunadyne says, "Haven't gotten it yet, but will take
a look." Lunadyne says, "Okay, last few minutes. anything I missed?"
kokhmmm says, "Yes, I think that if we were an ILRP supporter, and found
ways to contribute workable ideas, that might get us some notice." pjbanyai
says, "Our Facebook page will update to Timeline on March 30. I have
already uploaded a copy of our new background image to act as the new cover
image. " kokhmmm says, "Remind me to talk to Dave Heck about that."
Lunadyne says, "I do want to note that the Spring 2012 issue of Harvard
International Review has a half dozen articles on space. Now on
newsstands." Lunadyne says, "Global Trade has an article on New Space in
their Apr/May 2012 issue. Also on newsstands." lesausl says, "speaking of
the Facebook page. . . Are there any thoughts on this guy trying to sell
'lunar smaples' through the Facebook Group Site?" Lunadyne says,
"Alrightee. I've got 10pm on the clock. Anyone move to adourn?" Lunadyne
says, "Hadn't seen that." lesausl says, "I move we adjourn." Lunadyne says,
"We definitely shouldn't endorse it." bnault says, "second" Lunadyne says,
"In favor?" pjbanyai says, "I also added the sub-category of Educational
Organization." bnault says, "aye" kokhmmm says, "aye" lesausl says, "His
name is Goran something. He has several pitches posted everyionbe
describing his 'extreme' samples. no way any of them are real and her is
tryinbg to seel themn." pjbanyai says, "aye" dcarson says, "aye" lesausl
says, "aye" Scottyg-1 says, "aye" dcarson says, "mark the posts as spam"
Lunadyne says, "We should ask him to stop." Lunadyne says, "Agreed with
Dana." Lunadyne says, "Aye." dcarson says, "that will make them go away and
get him flagged" Lunadyne says, "Thanks everyone!" Lunadyne says, "I do
note that we're up over 100 likes since I started posting." lesausl has
disconnected. dcarson says, "the facebook trend is slow but positive"
pjbanyai says, "I think he was a member under another name or he simply to
a vacation from posting. I remember seeing those posts when I first joined
the Facebook Group." Lunadyne says, "I should probably spend more time over
there." bnault says, "g'night all!" The housekeeper arrives to cart lesausl
off to bed. bnault has disconnected. kokhmmm has disconnected. 
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