-- Start log: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 9:09:00 pm ASI Meeting Server time --
Lunadyne says, "Welcome everyone to this meeting of The Moon Society
leadership." Lunadyne says, "Roll Call:" Lunadyne says, "here" lesausl
says, "Here" kokhmmm says, "Here" dcarson says, "here" pjbanyai says,
"here" Lunadyne says, "Looks like we have a quorum." lesausl says, "Cool"
Lunadyne says, "First up - membership. The website shows 148 members, down
3 from the last time." Lunadyne says, "However, we added at least two paid
memberships - Paul Graham of OpenLuna and Declan O'Donnell of USIS."
Lunadyne says, "We also have about a dozen free memberships in the works
for the speakers of at our ISDC track." lesausl says, "Declan is still
around? VERY cool!!" kokhmmm says, "Two of those expiring are James and
Phillip Crume -did anyone tell Phill we manipulated his membership perios
so that he would quality and no needs to renew?" Lunadyne says, "He's
trying to ressucitate USIS, but I'm not sure what success he's having. He
intimated at the ISDC that he was having trouble finding a young person to
be Director." Lunadyne says, "I haven't spoken with Phil, but will try to
remember to do so. I have a couple other e-mails to follow-up on with
potential volunteers." pjbanyai says, "Hmm I see two new members of the
Leadership Advisory Council:-)" Scottyg says, "Oh, Ken, I forgot to answer
your question about where to send those memberships. The Plano PO box will
work fine." Lunadyne says, "I'll drop the check in the mail tomorrow."
Lunadyne says, "Any other membership issues?" Lunadyne says, "Paul, I was a
bit surprised that neither were on there. Paul we should definitely
consider adding." Lunadyne says, "Moving on. Treasury report." Lunadyne
says, "Have we lined up an auditor yet?" dcarson says, "we have a lead, I
still need to get data entered" dcarson says, "taking longer then I
thought, I've been doing lots of grandson sitting" pjbanyai says, "I
believe Paul Graham was temp member. He was auto removed when his
membership expired." Lunadyne says, "IIRC, we've budgeted an initial $500
for an audit, with a potential bump up to $1000 if necessary." Lunadyne
says, "I'd really like to get moving on the audit. Ideally I'd like to
start the next year with a freshly scrubbed set of books. " kokhmmm says,
"BTW, got spam mail today from "Ken Murphy, President of some bank,
notifying me that I have money in an account." Lunadyne says, "I got the
same spam." kokhmmm says, "At first I thought you had a new job!" lesausl
says, "Why don't they just send the money?" Lunadyne says, "Wouldn't that
be nice?" Lunadyne says, "Speaking of money, what is the balance in our
checking account?" dcarson says, "Scotty, you have the latest statement O
thin" Scottyg says, "About $30K. I can get a more exact amount if you need
it." Lunadyne says, "Could I get that for the next meeting?" Scottyg says,
"I can have in in just a minute. Just have to go pull the statement from
its file." Lunadyne says, "Cool." Lunadyne says, "Does our Secretary have a
report?" kokhmmm says, "MMM - got my May hardcopy today," kokhmmm says,
"Shoule be sending June issue to the printer soon" kokhmmm says, "Working
on the August issue and M3iq #5" Scottyg says, "Ok, I haven't received the
May statement yet. The balance as of April 30 was 29,991.31" dcarson says,
"thats as about 30K as you can get" Lunadyne says, "With the $80 I got from
Declan and Paul that should put us just over $30K." Scottyg says, "I think
transactions for May were also a net gain." Lunadyne says, "Excellent.
That's a nice resilient balance. I can't wait till we start getting cash in
from Kindle and other efforts." kokhmmm says, "as to Kindle, I can get back
on track with issues 2 and up if you like, but I have been concentrating on
new Theme Issues (Lunar Economy, and Arts & Crafts) and redoing old ones in
one 1 column format (Tourism)" kokhmmm says, "I think that the Theme issues
will be more attractive, plus preparing them is better preparation for "the
Book" but if you want, I wlll defer that and get back to prepping the
classics for Kindle." Lunadyne says, "Lunar Economy is definitely a good
one. Any way we can do a Lava Tubes one for next year's ISDC? A special
release just in time for the ISDC..." kokhmmm says, "No problem" Lunadyne
says, "Peter, we've got time at the moment. Do what interests you the
most...that's how we'll get the best product." kokhmmm says, "I want to do
some Moon Society announcements - your congrats to Space-X plus one on new
Theme issues" dcarson says, "just posted a note on facebook, one of the
lunar x prize companies and nasa lunar data just bought up one of the
others" kokhmmm says, "These will appear on homepage." Lunadyne says, "I'm
trying to come up with a good way of saying that if a rocket blows up we've
got more in the stable." Lunadyne says, "Al was a bit uncertain by the
original wording." kokhmmm says, "Not only cheaper to make a new one, but
much quicker"" Lunadyne says, "Oh, sorry, that was the SpaceX
announcement." Lunadyne says, "ME bought Next Gen." dcarson says, "yep"
Lunadyne says, "In the GLXP. Kind of expected, just didn't know who."
lesausl says, "Why mention rockets blowing up at all? Not exactly a
confidence builder. . . " Lunadyne says, "Peter, did you see the
announcement by Art Dula at ISDC about putting an Almaz in cislunar space?"
pjbanyai says, "Some news we may want to comment on is that Ray Bradbury
Passed away today;-(" kokhmmm says, "No, didn't see that. But it is just a
matter of time." kokhmmm says, "Yup, I loved the Martian Chronicles."
Lunadyne says, "Ugh, we were supposed to read that for, IIRC, sophomore
English class. Teacher showed the videos during class." kokhmmm says, "Ken,
when is Excalibur Almaz going up?" dcarson says, "born 1920-08-22 so a good
run" Lunadyne says, "Bryce, the original line is: 'Having multiple launch
vehicle options creates a more robust marketplace in space access, as well
as a greater degree of continuity of access in the event of issues with an
individual launcher. Soon this will also hold true for crew and cargo
vehicles.'"" kokhmmm says, "That language looks good enough!" pjbanyai
says, "He visited my High School several times." lesausl says, "End iit at
'. . .as well a s a greater degree of cointinuity.'" Lunadyne says, "Peter,
he made the announcement while our Cislunar Econosphere track was going on,
so I didn't get the details." lesausl says, "Sats all it needs to. . ."
lesausl says, "Says. . ." Lunadyne says, "Maybe 'with ANY individual
launcher'." kokhmmm says, "sounds good" Scottyg says, "Perhaps instead of
"issues" you could phrase it as "unavailable"?" Scottyg says, "In the event
an individual launcher becomes unavailable"." Lunadyne says, "Nice. I like
that." Scottyg says, "Which could be because it blew up or the company went
belly up or whatever." dcarson says, "or just booked solid" dcarson says,
"not somenting you cn ramp up production fast in mant cases" Lunadyne says,
"Too bad Jason's not here, as this is exactly the why I asked him to put
together a PR distribution list. I understand he has to be up early,
though." kokhmmm says, "We can email the announcement to ALL members,
also." dcarson says, "email Jason and ask if he has a list yet" Lunadyne
says, "Have we gotten any ballots for the election?" bnault has arrived.
kokhmmm says, "Glad you brought that up, Ken. Have we appointed an
elections secretary yet? It has to be one of us not up for election or
re-election." kokhmmm says, "Craig Porter of Phx sent his in right away."
bnault says, "Sorry for the late arrival...just landed less than 2 hours
ago...but cannot stay very long." Lunadyne says, "Welcome Ben." kokhmmm
says, "Hi, Ben" pjbanyai says, "Hi Ben" kokhmmm says, "How is the weather
in Montreal?" bnault says, "hello everyone. Today was a travel day. I have
a very early meeting tomorrow morning. Weather is very nice actually."
Lunadyne says, "More important...how are the pots and pans?" bnault says,
"not as bad as one would expect...!" Lunadyne says, "I understand they're
sort of scattered all over." bnault says, "things appear very quiet and
normal to me...and I am near downtown." kokhmmm says, "I don't imagine that
the Queens Jubilee was celebrated as much in Montreal as in Toronto."
Lunadyne says, "Okay, back to election secretary...I'm trying to remember
who here is not up for re-election." bnault says, "wasn't here then but you
are most certainly right. I have a hard time understanding why americans
are fascinated with royalty..." kokhmmm says, "Dana, Al Anzaldua, Jason,
Paul, " Lunadyne says, "I remember being in England for her 25th
anniversary. Still have my Boy Socut patch." Lunadyne says, "Paul and Dana
are here this evening. Any interest in counting ballots, gentlemen?"
kokhmmm says, "Also Bryce" kokhmmm says, "There are likely to be less than
2 dozen" dcarson says, "I've done it before, willing to do it ahain"
kokhmmm says, "Though this year we have a contest and that may boost
response" kokhmmm says, "Dana look and see if any ballots have come in
yet." bnault says, "i've served as elections secretary twice and I don't
think we ever had more than 15 or 20 ballots." bnault says, "I have an
Excel template to easily tabulate votes, I'll gladly pass it along to
whomever is secretary." pjbanyai says, "Have we ever received physical
ballots in recent years?" bnault says, "yes" bnault says, "Dana would email
me a scan of the ballot" Scottyg says, "Ther are usually two or three.
Since I ceck the PO box, I pass them along." bnault says, "sorry, Scotty
did..." Lunadyne says, "Any of the inexperienced guy want to take a crack
at it? (Looks at Bryce and Paul...)" Lunadyne says, "guys"" pjbanyai says,
"sure" lesausl says, "Sounds like balolots come in as e-mail. . . are there
attachments? I often have issues trying toi gry attachments open." Lunadyne
says, "Excellent, we have a victim, I mean volunteer" lesausl says, "get. .
. " Lunadyne says, "Thanks Paul. Sounds like this should be a pretty
straightforward affair." pjbanyai says, "I'll take a crack at it. Hope it
doesn't crack my computer like a walnut :)" Lunadyne says, "lol." Scottyg
says, "A comment - part of the job is to check that each ballot is from
someone eligible to vote." kokhmmm says, "There might be two ballots from
Craig Porter. He sent one in right away and when I corected Phil Crume's
statement, he sent another." Lunadyne says, "Luckily (or unluckily), that's
not a very big list." Scottyg says, "No, and checking just requires
checking membership status in Team Director." lesausl says, "Uh, Paul. . .
You don't happen to live in Florida, do you?" pjbanyai says, "Hopefully
Phil renews by end of election. Nope, was born there and have relatives
there." lesausl says, "Ok. . .Never mind. . . " Lunadyne says, "With Phil,
IIRC, we bumped his free year to his first year and are applying his dues
to his second year. Or something like that." kokhmmm says, "But that made
him expire in mid-May, we have to contact Phil about this." Lunadyne says,
"Worst comes to worse, if he doesn't renew we declare him ineligible and
throw the election to the other guy." kokhmmm says, "Phil has great
qualifications. I offer to contact him, if no one else wants to." Lunadyne
says, "I'd hate to have to do that, though." Lunadyne says, "Peter, that
may be most expedient. I'm deep in Moon Day planning, and I have to prep
for a two-day event at the Museum of Nature & Science this weekend. Going
to be a bit distracted over the next month." kokhmmm says, "Okay, will do.
Scotty, do we have a record of Phil Crume's orginal expiration date, before
we moved it?" Scottyg says, "Depends on how it was changed." Lunadyne says,
"Oh, forgot about the Kepler Space Institute thing as well, where Bob
Frantz has asked me to help with the curriculum materials." pjbanyai says,
"Teamdir states his membership expiration date is May 13, 2012. He is
currently on the tempory 2-3 month extension." kokhmmm says, "He would not
have had his year in to qualify if we did not move his renewal (2 year)
back. Probably his last paid date would give the clue." bnault says, "I
need to leave and get my things unpacked and ready for tomorrow...again,
sorry for the late arrival and early departure...it's been a long day..."
Lunadyne says, "Thanks for stopping in Ben. Anything you wanted to cover
before you went?" pjbanyai says, "Teamdir says he only has a new 1 year
membership starting May 13, 2011." kokhmmm says, "Hmmm? I thought he had
renewed for 2 years. Team Director says 1" Scottyg says, "Peter, the
membership records would indicate he originally joined on May 13, 2011 and
that has not been changed." bnault says, "Al and I made a video for ISDC as
a thnaks for the chapter award" bnault says, "
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJcPocnqKjk" bnault says, "about 4m and
40secs" kokhmmm says, "Ben is that you or Al speaking?" bnault says, "it's
Al" kokhmmm says, "Thanks" bnault says, "I am being the camera and did the
editing" bnault says, "See you all later!" bnault has disconnected.
Lunadyne says, "Is that a Mars globe in the background? Oh, I'm hurt. Back
of the hand to the forehead, let me hie to my fainting couch." pjbanyai
says, "Phil's member number is 1623. I checked numbers before and after his
and they all start May 2011. Did he have an earlier number an renew as a
new member? I brought up this possibilty a few months ago." kokhmmm says,
"Actually, Ken, Al Anzaldua who is speaking is an Asteroid man, but is very
interested in Moon and Mars too. He did the Triway paper with me." kokhmmm
says, "Paul, maybe I am thinking of the other candidate, Steinberg of
Sugarland, TX." The housekeeper arrives to cart bnault off to bed. kokhmmm
says, "Yup, it is Steinberg and we didn't change it yet. I will write him."
Lunadyne says, "I remember. The Triway paper was the first thing I thought
of when I saw the Moon vs. asteroids article in this week's Space Review."
kokhmmm says, "It is nice to finally know what my "colleague" looks like!"
kokhmmm says, "We make a dignified pair." kokhmmm says, "Al and Ben need
one more to make a MoonSoc chapter." Lunadyne says, "Once we get membership
brochures and postcards printed up they'll be first on the list to get
some." kokhmmm says, "Dave Dunlop says that the video guy messed up and we
do not have a complete record of the Cis-Lunar Track, Can we put together
the various abstracts, and any submitted papers and presentations? "
kokhmmm says, "We could then send this to members and put it on our
website." Lunadyne says, "I was going to ask where I can upload all of the
presentations." kokhmmm says, "Maybe ask the ISDC chair or NSS" kokhmmm
says, "Oh, you mean on our website? I'll think about that, probably a new
directory or subdirectory." Lunadyne says, "I have all of them except for
GRAIL, where we got fresh, pre-publication data." kokhmmm says, "Great.
I'll send you a "place" suggestion soon." Lunadyne says, "Don't know if
everyone's read my ISDC update, but the conference went well. Very well."
Lunadyne says, "Our track was solid, and the best attended on Sunday
afternoon." Lunadyne says, "Except for the big room." Lunadyne says, "I had
a full house for my talk." Lunadyne says, "The GRAIL talk that we finished
with laid the perfect groundwork for a track on Lunar Lava Tubes at next
year's ISDC." kokhmmm says, "I propose we add the directory "isdc" after
conference e.g /conference/isdc/2012/moontrack/ - other suggestions?"
Lunadyne says, "/conference/isdc/2012/CislunarEconosphere/" dcarson says,
"sounds reasonable" kokhmmm says, "ok. Can you add these directoris or do
youwant me to?" Lunadyne says, "I haven't worked behind the scenes at the
website yet. Probably safer if you or Scotty do it." Lunadyne says, "I am
looking for ideas from folks on how we can publicize and build up to next
year's track. What we'll call 'conference/isdc/2013/LunarLavaTubes'"
Lunadyne says, "I've already suggested a LLT theme issue of MMM for the
Kindle. Hopefully we'll be selling Kindle editions by then. Perhaps we can
encourage members to talk at local cons on LLTs." Lunadyne says, "This
would require a generic ppt and basic script." kokhmmm says, "I'll do it. "
Lunadyne says, "What...the directories, the theme issues, or the ppt?"
kokhmmm says, "I'll ass the /isdc/2013/CislunarEconosphere/ directores"
kokhmmm says, "2013, if we just say /lavatubes/ we could invite Mars people
to participate - whether they would or not is another question. I am
thinking of Bruce McKenzie and Gus Fredericks of Oregon L5" Lunadyne says,
"Other ways to approach it: I've asked that each of our leaders publish at
least one article/editorial/letter to the editor/blog post/whatever by the
end of the year. Doing an article on Lunar Lava Tubes would be a way to
accomplish that." kokhmmm says, "That would be in the "Triway" spirit."
Lunadyne says, "Peter, I'm okay with the Mars guys, but don't want to give
them a whole lot of time. What's gelling in my brain right now is splitting
the track into thirds. Lavatube science, Tools, Using Lavatubes." Lunadyne
says, "The Mars content would be in the third part." Lunadyne says, "I'm
thinking along the lines of "Extending the Lunar experience to Mars""
lesausl says, "Ken, to be clear on your request for aericles. You are
SUGGESTING lava tubesd aas a subject. Right? The writer-wannabe has option
to do something else?" kokhmmm says, "agreed, maybe we can control this by
limiting our invitation to Gus redericks?" Lunadyne says, "Bryce, yes. All
leaders should publish a Moon-related article. I started with Cislunar
Econosphere at Space Review. Peter and Al followed with Triway. The topic
can be anything Moon related, but a Lavatube article could be part of a
buildup to next year's track. " lesausl says, "Got it. Thanks." Lunadyne
says, "frankly, I can see Space.com running a lavatube article." kokhmmm
says, "Scotty, I haven't created a directory since Randall redid
everything. I don't see administer directories." Lunadyne says, "That's why
I don't like to play behind the curtain." kokhmmm says, "Space.com
published two of my articles. Have to look up and see what they were."
Lunadyne says, "It's very easy to get stuff wrong. I once deleted my whole
website doing a WordPress update." Lunadyne says, "I've got two or three
over there, but there's no way to find them through the web pages. I've
thought of asking for them back." pjbanyai says, "Reminder, I sent out
GuideStar invitations to manage our profile. This profile must be fully
updated and correct before we can get non-profit account for Amazon and
Google. After accepting the invitation you simply need to create a new
account or login to an existing one. Click on Update Nonprofit Report and
it should show the Moonsociety as an Existing Nonprofit Report. Click edit
form and it will go to the tab for Nonprofit Contact(s). Click tab for
Review Changes to see what is required for approval as well as what is
required for the GuideStar Exchange Seal. We only need approval for the
update." Scottyg says, "Peter, you select SYSTEM ADMIN->SITE STRUCTURE. I
think you can take it from there." Lunadyne says, "To be clear, the venue
for the article could be a website, but it could also be your local
newspaper, which is probably a more potent voice, because if it's any good
the paper will shop it around to other papers." Lunadyne says, "Paul, can
you tell us the login page for the GuideStar?" Lunadyne says, "To help find
the e-mail, Paul sent it on March 7th." Lunadyne says, "Sorry, GuideStar
sent it on March 7th." kokhmmm says, "Ken,
conference/isdc/2012/CislunarEconosphere/ and
conference/isdc/2013/LunarLavatubes/ created and ready (thanks Scotty)"
lesausl says, "9:55 pm. . . Just sayin'>" pjbanyai says, "After clicking
the link to Accept this invitation click a page will open with more info
and a list of steps on how to update the profile. Under step 1) click the
login link to http://www2.guidestar.org/Login.aspx then register for a new
account." Lunadyne says, "There's going to be quite a bit of cut-n-paste
from our website to the forms, so everyone should help out with a little
bit." Lunadyne says, "Just look for empty bits." Lunadyne says, "Okay, as
Bryce points out we're getting close to the end of tonite's meeting. Any
other important business." kokhmmm says, "Got a lot done tonight. Move to
adjourn" lesausl says, "Second" Lunadyne says, "First I want everyone to
confirm they're going to get into GuideStar and start putting stuff
together." dcarson says, "send email of the directions to the leader list
so people don't have to read the log" Lunadyne says, "Dana, will do."
lesausl says, "Ken, I will loo0k into this, but I have zero talenbt for
computer/werbsite work. It will be a walk-on-water miracle if i can do
anythinbg useful." Lunadyne says, "Doesn't have to be immediate, but over
the next three months or so, which is about when I hope the accounting
issues will be fully resolved." Lunadyne says, "Like I said, Bryce,
hopefully just lots of cut-n-paste from our existing documentation."
kokhmmm says, "Olay" kokhmmm says, "Okay" kokhmmm says, "motion to adjourn
on the table and seconded" Lunadyne says, "alright, alright. In favor?"
pjbanyai says, "Guidestar has FAQ and videos available which should help."
kokhmmm says, "aye" lesausl says, "Aye" dcarson says, "aye" pjbanyai says,
"aye" Lunadyne says, "As a reminder - search in your e-mails for GuideStar,
look for March 7th. The link is in there. We're adjourned." lesausl has
disconnected. 
-- End log: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 11:03:50 pm ASI Meeting Server time --