-- Start log: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 9:00:50 pm ASI Meeting Server time-- 
Lunadyne has arrived. kokhmmm says, "Dana did you arrange access for
Phil Crume?" Lunadyne says, "Alan, I see you made it in!" kokhmmm says, "Hi
Alan" AlanSteinberg says, "howdy... I did... the magic of teleportation
technology" Lunadyne says, "Peter, If I'm seeing the system correctly Phil
has Leadership Council access." kokhmmm says, "Ken, great." dcarson says,
"whats Phils user name?" kokhmmm says, "I'd have to look it up on Team
Director" pjbanyai has arrived. bnault has arrived. kokhmmm says, "Hi Ben ,
Paul" Lunadyne says, "pcrume" bnault says, "hello all!" Lunadyne says, "Hi
Ben and Paul." pjbanyai says, "Hi everyone." lesausl says, "Howdy Ben &
Paul." Lunadyne says, "Can someone get the recorder?" dcarson says,
"already on@whois phil" Lunadyne says, "So it is. Welcome everyone. Let's
get started with membership. A quick check shows it at 154, down 2 from
last time. :-(" Chard arrives in cloud of smoke. Lunadyne says, "Hi Jason."
Lunadyne says, "Dana, any major change in the Treasury?" Chard says, "i
just emailed what I have as an attachment for media contacts" Lunadyne
says, "Hopefully there're funds to reimburse me for the Lunar Sample Bags."
dcarson says, "no major change, the last article on goverance is embaressig
to me" Chard [to the]: leadership email... not sure if it will get stripped
Lunadyne says, "Pro'lly" Lunadyne says, "How so, Dana?" dcarson says,
"because of how badly I'm not following it as treasurer" Lunadyne says,
"Dana. I've served as treasurer at non-profits before, and will never do it
again. It's a sucky job that no one wants, and when you don't have someone
halfway competent doing the books it can be disastrous. I'm not pointing
fingers." Lunadyne says, "We just need to get everything input, and then
turn it over to a CPA for an audit." Chard nods. Lunadyne says, "Once we
have an audited set of books we will be golden. I don't think any of the
other groups gets an audit." Lunadyne says, "Should I send the receipt
again for the Lunar Sample Bags?" dcarson says, "yes" Lunadyne says, "Roger
wilco." dcarson says, "I have it, but easier to find if you send a new one"
Lunadyne says, "Next up is MMM. Peter?" lesausl says, "When we have a
moment I would like to bring a potential budget issue forward for
discussion." Lunadyne says, "What budget issue is that, Jason?" kokhmmm has
disconnected. Lunadyne says, "If you're requesting a formal budgeting
procedure, I'm not sure we're big enough for that." kokhmmm has connected.
lesausl says, "I'm Bryuce. Buzz Aldrin ius comninbg to Rockford September
18th for thew annual Salvation Army Banquet. I was thinking of buying a
tablke and wantee mto mbasically invite others to comne to expose the Moon
Society." kokhmmm says, "I could not type, so I had to come in as a clone"
kokhmmm says, "MMM is on target for Septemter and the India issue for
October" lesausl says, "Could I get the Moon Society to reimburse for eight
seats at $35.00 a pop?" Lunadyne says, "Interesting exposure. Sorry Bryce
(or Bruce? ;-). That's what, $260?" Lunadyne says, "$280" Rose/Miros-1
says, "eval 8*35" Rose/Miros-1 says, "whoops, doesn't wo rk here" kokhmmm
says, "Meanwhile, In the past four days, I made great progress on getting
theme issues ready for Kindle" Lunadyne says, "What would be the exposure?
Listing in the program? Big sign on the table?" lesausl says, "Doe not
includ emy 2 seats. Thnat would be 6 funbded. Tables are eight seats. Sorry
for the goo0f." Chard says, "i wont vote in support of anything related
with Buzz.. was very upset with his withdrawl from SRI" AlanSteinberg says,
"that would take 6 new memberships to cover the cost... how do you plan to
recruit 6 or more members using this event?" kokhmmm says, "These issues
are ready: Lunar Economy, Analog Activities, Architecture & Construction,
Arts & Crafts, Tourism" kokhmmm says, "Eden on Luna (environmental)"
lesausl says, "Exposure would 9include anmnouyncemtb in the Rockfoird
Newspapers." bnault says, "this is not about Buzz..." Chard says, "k"
kokhmmm says, "And I am working on some more: Research, Surface Activities
and Rural Luna, Surface Activities and Rural Luna" kokhmmm says, "The ones
I have done come to 934 pages" Chard says, "not so much at the time with
him withdrawing but the bad taste left in my mouth in the way that he did"
Lunadyne says, "Those cabin trips are quite productive for you, aren't they
Peter?" lesausl says, "This bsanquet is likely to be attended by 2100
peopl. TYhe Moon society having ANY presence there suggest more than 6
posible memberds." Lunadyne says, "I'm not a Buzz fanatic either. He's done
fine work, but his shadow is stretching over future generations anxious for
their moment in the Sun." Lunadyne says, "Bryce, do you have lapel pins?"
lesausl says, "Buyting an entire table would get us on the list of local
organbizations (*a stretch, mI know) and maybe face-tine with Buzz."
dcarson says, "who would use the seats?" lesausl says, "No, I do nbot havew
lapel pins. Nobody trustds me withg sharp objects. . . " AlanSteinberg
says, "and what good is facetime with Buzz at this juncture?" kokhmmm says,
"Ken, at the cabin, I have zero interruptions - also no internet, not tv,
no visitors" lesausl says, "Alan, face-timne = aryticle materioal for MMM
at a m9inimum." kokhmmm says, "I'll be giving these theme issues one more
look over then sending them to Mark Lupfer" lesausl says, "This is a rare
opportunity for this area. The above attendence was 100. Not 2100!"
AlanSteinberg says, "at a maximum as well" AlanSteinberg says, "oh geeze
100? that's tiny" kokhmmm says, "On the theme issues, I see them also as
life-insurance. If I don't get to do "MMM the Book" someone else could put
it together from these theme issues." Rose/Miros arrives. Rose/Miros reads
the meeting agenda kokhmmm says, "Rose, we don't post an agenda any more"
Lunadyne says, "I'm seeing a $210 cost. Would there be a big Moon globe in
the middle of the table?" Rose/Miros says, "ahh" lesausl says, "Its a
banbquet A;lan. i haver no idea how many thge room is capacirted for. Could
be several hiundred. Thjey would not bring soemonbe ogf his stature ofr
smallketr crowds." Lunadyne says, "The agenda went out to the leadership
list." Rose/Miros says, "which i'm not on yet" Tricia [Guest] reads the
meeting agenda Lunadyne says, "Heh, heh, heh. Reminds me of a fundraiser
they tried to do here in Dallas at Richland College." lesausl says, "My
typing sucks tonight. . ." dcarson says, "agenda" dcarson says, "1)
Reports" dcarson says, "Membership (Ken)" dcarson says, "Treasury (Dana)"
dcarson says, "MMM (Peter)" dcarson says, "E-reader project (Peter)"
dcarson says, "PR Distribution List (Jason)" dcarson says, "2) Projects"
dcarson says, "April Theme-Issue of MMM/New Editing Team" dcarson says,
"(Yuri's Night/SEDS/Calendar of Space Holidays, &c.)" dcarson says, "3)
Website" dcarson says, "a) Formal vote for move from WSD to Drupal" dcarson
says, "b) Formal vote to put Rose in charge of initial process (+
appurtenant items)" dcarson says, "c) Establish team for Website
Transformation Force" dcarson says, "d) Outline basic structure" Lunadyne
says, "They were trying to revamp their planetarium. Looking for some
publicity, they renamed it the Buzz Aldrin Planetarium and held a
fundraiser that he attended. Tickets were over $300 a pop. I think all of
the proceeds went to cover his speaking fee, and the planetarium is still
moribund." Rose/Miros says, "um, can we do 3b before 3a?" kokhmmm says,
"Dana, can you subscribe Rose to the leadership mail list?" Rose/Miros
says, "i think we should do 3b first " Rose/Miros grins. dcarson says,
"sure" Lunadyne says, "We can discuss it but we're still on Item #1, stuck
on a motion advanced by Bryce to have TMS underwrite a Moon Society table
at an upcoming fundraiser." Rose/Miros says, "3b before putting me on the
leadership email list, i mean" Lunadyne says, "Is there any other
discussion on Bryce's question?" Rose/Miros says, "do we ahve 210$ to
blow?" pjbanyai says, "Rose I added you to the leadership mailing list last
week. You should have received an email from leaders@moonsociety.org even
if you are not a member of the team." kokhmmm says, "Rose, do all the
existing pages have to be redone for Drupal? I am naieve on these issues."
dcarson says, "if we but a table who will be sitting at it?" lesausl says,
"KEn, et. al.: VThe question here is do we have Moon Society involvemenyt
in this or nbot. I'm going. I don't need anyone's perm nission to buy a
table. What I need to knbow herre is do I do mit on behalf of the Moon
Socuiety or not?" Rose/Miros says, "it can be copy and past e, it'll be
quick" kokhmmm says, "Bryce, when is the date (not promising to come, would
have to talk to Dave about that)" lesausl says, "September 18th." Lunadyne
says, "Dana has a good question - would these be potential members? Local
scholars? Friends & family?" kokhmmm says, "Hmm, may or may not be at the
cottage on that date. I'll put it on my calendar and decide later."
Rose/Miros says, "if we get 6 new members out of it, it pays for itself"
AlanSteinberg says, "How about, if we get 6 new members from it, we
reimburse the costs but if not, we don't" Lunadyne says, "Or reimburse to
the extent of new memberships generated? The economist in me likes that
kind of incentivization." AlanSteinberg says, "that would be what i meant,
measured by new members joining from Sept 18 - sept 30." lesausl says,
"Tomorrow I can notify the Rockfoird Newspapers that the Moon Society will
have atable at the event and is offering 'x' number free ticketys. Who
knowsa who will cpome. vMyself, my tewo sons and anoither couplke are
already paid for. The six I refer toi are the free seats." bnault says, "we
may not be able to track all membership...what if someone signs up 2 weeks
later?" Rose/Miros says, "as on oct 1?" Rose/Miros says, "well, tracking
has been a concern since before i joined" AlanSteinberg says, "it's a risk
Bryce can take =)" lesausl says, "You are all missing the p[oiunt here.
Youy atre talking about the Spociety reimbursing itself for six new
members. I'M talking about exposure we cannot get otherwise." Lunadyne
says, "Bryce, would you have any way of directing those seats to, say,
local science fair winners, or a local mathlete, or something like that?
Where they get a random reward for their academic achievements?" dcarson
says, "I like that" lesausl says, "No. I would not even try to do that. "
Rose/Miros-1 has disconnected. The housekeeper arrives to remove
Rose/Miros-1. lesausl says, "I would accomodate 'whoever' tesponded. Gras
roots people., ideally." AlanSteinberg says, "I don't see much value in the
exposure through this event... the extent of the exposure is "people at the
event might notice the organization"" AlanSteinberg says, "if there is more
to it, it's yet to be stated other than a lot of maybes "might be in the
paper, might get face time with buzz... might not get any of the above""
Rose/Miros says, "but up to 6 new members, we break even, if more, we are
ahead in $" lesausl says, "Which, right now, they can't because we are
media-blocked in this mnarket. " lesausl says, "Thius gets us aroiund that.
Thye cannot ignored soemtrhinbg involkving Buzz Aldrin." Lunadyne says,
"I'd feel better about that Rose if we had packets of information that
Bryce could hand out." AlanSteinberg says, ""media blocked"? how so?"
lesausl says, "I'km a polirttical conservative who supported the 'wrong'
candidates for President ovet the years. The people who runt the (one and
only" Rose/Miros says, "is there anyone else local who could offer the 6
free tickets?" lesausl says, ") newspaper hgerre knb oiw me. thye have yet
to even acknoewledge my efforts at creatring a Cjhapter, though I have
given reperat4d interviews to their reporters; been on radio and am al over
the place." Rose/Miros says, "maybe the radio is a better give away
platform?" Lunadyne says, "Alan, in general space stuff doesn't make it
into the media unless you have some Star name associated with it." kokhmmm
says, "not many read newspapers any more" Lunadyne says, "After four years
of Moon Day the local Dallas Morning News couldn't be bothered to put it in
their weekend guide as something to do." AlanSteinberg says, "I get that
Ken, but there does not seem to be a plan in place to get Moon Society
recognized in media though this event" kokhmmm says, "Try internet. Is
there a "Craigs :List for Meetings?"" AlanSteinberg says, "also until the
website is nice and pretty i'm not sure what kind of attention we will
get... it might just put a negitive taste in people's mouths to see us now
rather than in six months when it looks better" Lunadyne says, "I'm
becoming generally disinclined given that there is no way to direct the
tickets to meritorious individuals in the community, which might garner
some attention that way. ('Local science fair winner meets Buzz thanks to
TMS')" Lunadyne says, "Peter, we have the event on every local online event
calendar. Many papers just replicate their content online." lesausl says,
"Let me see if I get this right: VThe web site looks like hell. So we have
toi defer on this opportunity?" dcarson says, "how long till the event?"
Rose/Miros says, "a month" AlanSteinberg says, "I just don't see the
"opportunity"" AlanSteinberg says, "maybe everyone else does... that's why
we vote on things... I'm just giving my 2 cents" Lunadyne says, "It's an
interesting opportunity. I am hesitant to ride on Buzz's coattails to build
our identity, but as everyone notes we have to get our name out there."
kokhmmm has disconnected. Lunadyne says, "The discussion doesn't seem to be
advancing, so let's move to a vote." lesausl says, "I first heard of thsi
Tuesday, hence no 'plan' in thge snese of it fitting in with chapter
development etc. " Rose/Miros says, "let peter get back, he might have ty
ping troubles again and have some thing to say" kokhmmm has connected.
kokhmmm says, "Having trouble with my browser, switched" Lunadyne says,
"All those in favor of TMS purchasing six $35 tickets to the Salvation Army
Fundraiser featuring Buzz Aldrin, such tickets to be distributed by Bryce
at his discretion, please vote." lesausl says, "Aye" bnault says, "abstain"
kokhmmm says, "abstain" AlanSteinberg says, "nye" AlanSteinberg says, "ney
even... ha ha" dcarson says, "no unless we can come up with a plan to
exploit it" Lunadyne says, "Okay, just a note. There are going to be a lot
of these short-fuse opportunities coming up in the future. The Moon is on
the rise, and there will be a lot of chances for us to spring into action.
This discussion is only the first of many to come. I know because we're
seeing it at the local NSS chapter level, too)" kokhmmm says, "(if 2
tickets go to me and Dave, we will bring exhitits)" AlanSteinberg says, "I
think this type of oppertunity is good, but there needs to be a solid plan
in place for them" pjbanyai says, "abstain" Lunadyne says, "Were there a
better plan for the distribution of the tickets I would be in favor."
AlanSteinberg says, "Peter, you are making a big assumption that they would
even let you have exhibit space" Lunadyne says, "I really like the idea of
giving them to science fair winners and the like." dcarson says, "we need a
generic plan that we can adapt to these kind of things" bnault says, "yes,
I would have liked to see a plan before..." kokhmmm says, "Yes this is an
assumption" Lunadyne says, "Agreed Alan, at such short notice it's
unlikely." AlanSteinberg says, "I think this is something that if Bryce can
put in some more research and figure out what we can/can't do with it... it
is a potentially usefull opertunity" Lunadyne says, "Bryce, when do ticket
sales close?" Rose/Miros says, "and can there be any sort of exhibit from a
moon globe centerpiece to a recruiting poster/handouts ?" Lunadyne says,
"If it's after September 5th and you bring us a kick ass reason to do it
then I'd like to revisit this question at our next meeting. I don't want
the door slammed on this." Rose/Miros says, "and estimated attendance #s"
dcarson says, "agreed" lesausl says, "For this? Probsably tomorroww! Thius
si the home town of Hamilton Sunstrand Aerospace. vThois people will soak
up theese seats in no toime." lesausl says, "After Sept.5th I GUARANTEE
there won't be nay toickeyts abvailal ble." kokhmmm says, "Can you
advertise at sundtrand?" Rose/Miros says, "so if you did advertise 6 free
tickets, the aerospace people would probably snag them" lesausl says,
"Never mind. OPffer withdrawn." AlanSteinberg says, "Well if they take up
the majority of the seats tables, i'm sure Moon Society would be eclipsed
by them anyways... unless we can work with them" Rose/Miros says, "but are
they advertising hamilton sunstrand aerospace, or just attending
individually?" lesausl says, "I said OFFER WITHDRAWN!" kokhmmm says,
"Thanks for calling this to our attention, Bryce, and we ought to give this
kind of opportunity attention and develop a standard plan ." Rose/Miros
says, "suggestion: put "create a plan for similar events" on the agenda"
pjbanyai says, "Ken, I just learned that Guidestar no longer requires that
everyone has read the 33 principles. At a minimum we need a Board Chair and
at least 1 detailed program fo our profile to be updated. The Guidestar
Exchange seal of approval now requires detailed financial info." Lunadyne
says, "Paul, luckily our financials are almost done." pjbanyai says, "I
guess they had several complaints about the 33 principles requirement:)"
Lunadyne says, "We do need a Board chair." Lunadyne says, "I do think it
was a good discussion, but I was pretty clear what I felt about some of the
things." kokhmmm says, "If Guidstar requires that we be a Charitable
Organization, I don't think we come under that heading, tho we are
non-profit." AlanSteinberg says, "Peter as a 501(c)(3) we are a "charitable
organization"" Lunadyne says, "In some circles not-for-profit is considered
charity." pjbanyai says, "any Board member is eligible both voting and
ex-officio. The Chair loses their ability to have a vote if they are a
voting member." AlanSteinberg says, "all 501(c)(3) (i.e. charitable
organizations) are non-profits... but not all non-profits are 501(c)(3)s...
it's like squares and rectangles" Lunadyne says, "In the end it's a nice
imprimatur that may help us in sorting things out with PayPal and amazon
and CafePress and we can get the spigots opened and money flowing in so
that when Bryce brings us the next opportunity we'll have sold enough MMMS
through Kindle that we won't have to worry it to death." kokhmmm says, "In
the past, our board chair did not lose his right to vote - should not this
depend on our bylaws? Otherwise, we would need 5 board members plus the
chair if we did not want split votes." kokhmmm says, "I am extremel
skeptical about CafePress generating income for us." Lunadyne says, "I'd
rather have all 5 BoD members here for the discussion of a Chair."
Rose/Miros says, "james is sleeping, he wasnt expecting his clone to get
booted" AlanSteinberg says, "sorry... i'm confussed... what exactly is this
"chair" as opposed to your position as "president" Ken?" Lunadyne says,
"Since we've plowed through Agenda 1 in twice the time I anticipated, I
just want to spend a minute on item #2." Lunadyne says, "I'm the President
of the organization and serve with Peter as my Secretary and Dana as my
Treasurer (with Scotty Gammenthaler as Asst. Treas.)" pjbanyai says, "
http://www.moonsociety.org/organizing-documents/bylaws-rev3.html" Lunadyne
says, "I'm a firm believer in not having the President of the organization
be on or run the BoD. I regard it as a conflict of interest of the crassest
sort and taints the independence of the BoD. " Lunadyne says, "IOW, I
shouldn't run the team that I answer to." AlanSteinberg says, "I understand
a president not being a voting member of the board when the president is an
employee (i.e. an Exectutive director) but when we have no paid employees,
why isn't the president and the Chair one and the same?" kokhmmm says, "In
the past, I had to chair the board in absence of a chair - no other option"
Rose/Miros says, "um, guys, i'm sorry, but ive only got half an hour"
Lunadyne says, "It can be forced on me and I'll do it. I just think it's a
no good, very bad thing to do." kokhmmm says, "Scotty did a great job as
chair, but then stepped down." Lunadyne says, "Okay, on to item #3 in the
interest of time,." Rose/Miros says, "ok, 3b -- pro rose: i can do drupal
or wsd" Lunadyne says, "At the town hall meeting where all of one (1)
member showed up, the consensus was arrived at 2" Lunadyne says, "i'M
GETTING THERE" Lunadyne says, "aARGH, KEys!" Lunadyne says, "Sorry."
Rose/Miros says, "con rose: rose has husband on dialysis who's trying to
get on the t ransplan t lis t" Rose/Miros says, "transplant list trumps web
site s tuff" Lunadyne says, "The consesnus was arrived at to focus on the
website and bring it into the 21st century." bnault says, "about time!"
Lunadyne says, "the suggestion was made that Rose could look into the
question of 1) moving from our current host, and 2) changing from WSD to
Drupal." Lunadyne says, "Rose, do I have this approximately correct?"
kokhmmm says, "Hosting is now free" Rose/Miros says, "yes" Rose/Miros says,
"no porgress on one, got sidetracked" Rose/Miros says, "however, we believe
w e can tar up a drpal site and drop it on different hosting, so we're wo
rking on a demo site " Rose/Miros says, "We decided to create a
demonstration site on a subdomain of lunarpedia using Drupal 7. We believe
that all created content and other settings can be exported en masse and
installed on moonsociety.org once other decisions have been made."
Rose/Miros says, "Finished items for demonstration site:" Rose/Miros says,
"Set up subdomain for test site, http://moon.lunarpedia.org/." Rose/Miros
says, "Installed Drupal 7 and several plug ins. Lacking desired module:
ad." Rose/Miros says, "I'm checking with a friend who's involved in Drupal
development for status." Rose/Miros says, "Created accounts for Miros and
Strangelv as administrators and Angelita as an authenticated user without
contributor functions." Rose/Miros says, "The "admin" account should not be
used for content creation of any kind. James also knows the password for
the admin account." Rose/Miros says, "Created "contributor" role, with
abilities between authenticated user and administrator." Rose/Miros says,
"Intended progression: Users may register; their accounts become active by
clicking a link in the email sent from the site. Once active, they will
"apply for role" to become contributors." Rose/Miros says, "This is not
fully functional. If you don't get your email or want to become a
contributor, visit the MOO and ask me. " Lunadyne says, "Okay, the issue
that then arose is that rose is not currently a member. I tried to ramrod
through a proposal that TMS cover one year of membership for Rose in return
for her leadership of this effort, with an extension option if things are
progressing well after a year." Lunadyne says, "that ramrodding was
successfully diverted, and so must be addressed now in order to proceed."
Lunadyne says, "Discuss." dcarson says, "the website needs a major rewrite,
drupal is common enough that it won't make it hard to find people tha tknow
it" dcarson says, "so seems reasonable to me" Lunadyne says, "Finding
people interested in learning WSD does seem to be a problem." Lunadyne
says, "Are there any issues with voting a one-year membership for rose paid
out of TMS funds?" pjbanyai says, "We need to collect a list of what we
would like from Cyberteams. We can also use more than one program. The Mars
Society started using anotherprogram several years ago while still using
WSD for their teams. Recently they started using Google Pages and Paypal to
manage their membership. They have had problems with membership access to
the page and member accounts. They had to fall back on paper subscriptions
for almost a year." kokhmmm says, "You don't have to learn WSD - I found it
very easy to use and I had no experience at all other than AOL sites"
dcarson says, "do we want a policy of free memberships for volunteers that
do enough?" AlanSteinberg says, "i don't really like the policy of free
memberships just for volunteering to do things, but if that is the only way
to get something done, then so be it " dcarson says, "I think we should
decide the general policy" kokhmmm says, "Dana, I am or that" dcarson says,
"we can also have volunteers who are not members in the sense of getting
the newsletter as a policy change" kokhmmm says, "We need to go outside the
list of volunteer members." Lunadyne says, "I think the level of investment
$ is not discommensurate with the risk of non-performance." Lunadyne says,
"As a policy, I think we do have discretion in granting free memberships.
One example are the speakers at our ISDC track (who are still not in the
system)." dcarson says, "I'm not opposed but I think we shpuld think of it
as a policy not just one case" kokhmmm says, "A free nenbership could
always be terminated for non-prformance, I would thin" Lunadyne says, "And
it would automatically lapse anyway." Lunadyne says, "So I'm in favor so
that we can get moving. Let's move it to a vote." kokhmmm says, "I thinkwe
could attract a lot of volunteer talent with this provision." AlanSteinberg
says, "so it seems there is already a policy in place for giveing away
memberships... " Rose/Miros says, "no performance pressure here guys"
Lunadyne says, "I don't want to be giving them away like candy, Peter, just
for strategic reasons." AlanSteinberg says, "personally, lets just handle
this situation and come back to the overall policy if there is even a
question about that" Lunadyne says, "All in favor of allocating $35 from
the Treasury to pay for a one-year membership for Rose (with a one-year
extension option), please say aye." Rose/Miros says, "we do need a
listmaster, mike used to be tweaking the lists all the time" Lunadyne says,
"Aye" dcarson says, "aye" kokhmmm says, "aye" lesausl says, "aye\"
AlanSteinberg says, "well Ken, you don't even have to do that... since it's
the Treasury paying itself" Lunadyne says, "Just wanted it to be clear what
we're doing." AlanSteinberg says, "but sure... in order to move things
forward for now "aye"" Rose/Miros says, "but it has to percolate through
the system or things don't get activated properly" Lunadyne says, "Okay,
Rose, welcome aboard. You have the floor." kokhmmm says, "Welcome to the
Society,, Eose" Lunadyne says, "P.S. I think we just covered 3b" pjbanyai
says, "free = forum access and extremely limited access to certain items
Note: WSD has a built-in guest membership we can be upgraded to a regular
membership. It does not have a member number but does have teamdir access.
There are however no downgrades back to guest." Rose/Miros says, "welcome
back, lol" AlanSteinberg says, "it realy doesn't have to... in theory
(perhaps for a different meeting)we could just have a policy where the
board can vote to give probationary membership to people that can be
remvoed at the board's discressoin as well" Lunadyne says, "Let'" pjbanyai
says, "aye" Lunadyne says, "Let's focus on the website for our remaining
tkime." Lunadyne says, "~40 mins." Rose/Miros says, "ok... the only action
item that got wo rked on, due to transplant stuff, was setting up a demo
site, which we should be able to dump the data base, tar everyt hing, and
move the whole thing to other hosting" Rose/Miros says, "current location
is http://moon.lunarpedia.com" Rose/Miros says, "not much up there, just
"register" and "apply to be a contributor"" Lunadyne says, "I'd rather not
do a bulk dump. The organic growth in the existign site has left it in need
of a pruning." Rose/Miros says, "no, dump of the "new/demo" site" Lunadyne
says, "Rose, did you get the e-mail I sent you regarding the volunteer?"
AlanSteinberg says, "I agree with Ken... lets start fresh and if we need to
move over older into we can" Rose/Miros says, "yes, i think so" dcarson
says, "http://moon.lunarpedia.org/ no .com" Rose/Miros says, "whoops,
brainfart" Rose/Miros says, "we're not dumping the current site, i'm
saying, we can get things set up on lunarpedia while reseaching/choosing
other hosting, then move the whole thing relatively intact" Lunadyne has
disconnected. Rose/Miros says, "rats, i was just about to say what I wanted
to do with ken's graphics" Lunadyne has connected. pjbanyai says, "I
believe we also own moonsociety.net." Rose/Miros says, "ok, once i find a
theme I can modify...." Rose/Miros says, "i'm thinking take a chunk of
ken's starry sky for the back ground" Lunadyne says, "Here was our notional
homepage: http://www.moonsociety.org/ken-index-1.html" kokhmmm says, "I
will have to see that the new Mars Society site stinks in comparison to the
one just before the new one." Rose/Miros says, "and position the moon
graphic using css" Lunadyne says, "The menus were to be used to re-sort the
material on the site." Rose/Miros says, "drupal likes to manage its own
menus, but we can use yours as a concept" Lunadyne says, "Well, we're still
in the exploratory phase, with the formal report due at the Sept. 5th
meeting." Rose/Miros says, "as currently configured we have 3 types of
webpages: articles, which are like press releases; pages, which are things
like Mission Statements and How to become a contributor; and book pages,
which naturally form a hierarchy" Rose/Miros says, "do we have a formal
mission statement somewhere?" kokhmmm says, "Yes, go to /about/" dcarson
says, "http://www.moonsociety.org/about/vision_mission.html" Lunadyne says,
"http://www.moonsociety.org/spreadtheword/whowhat.html" Lunadyne says,
"Probably something that can be consolidated." Rose/Miros says, "um, you
know, i've neve r seen tha tpage before" Lunadyne says, "and don't forget
http://www.moonsociety.org/spreadtheword/vision_expansion.html" kokhmmm
says, "The vision-Mission is mine, and so is the whowhat" Lunadyne says,
"This is why we need a team to go through and prune the content." kokhmmm
says, "That's mine too" Lunadyne says, "There should be one place to go to
for that stuff." kokhmmm says, "I would merge the three, not prune
anything" Rose/Miros says, "ok, that i can build into the site tomorrow, as
well as attempting to find a modifyable theme" Lunadyne says, "Good luck
with the themes. My Out of the Cradle wordpress upgrade destroyed our
existing structure. the place is a disaster." Rose/Miros says, "i think
there are some pages that can hav e their guts simply copied and pasted
into drupal. the nice thing about drupal is t ha t content and appearance
are completely separate" Rose/Miros says, "even more so than wsd" kokhmmm
says, "In WSD we can use the pagetemplate or not" Rose/Miros says, "and not
using the pagetemplate is partially how we got the current mess" kokhmmm
says, "There are a few pages that do not use it, and in each case I made
the decision: for example some of the /india/ pages" Lunadyne says, "In the
subsidiary (i.e. not-front-page) pages I'd like to use a simple, consistent
theme that works well with smartphones, tablets, as well as laptops and
desktops." Rose/Miros says, "so minimal content per page" Lunadyne says, "A
nice dark gray color palette." Lunadyne says, "Agreed, we don't want long
rambling web pages except when they go looking for such." Rose/Miros says,
"dunno about you, but my eyeballs are 50 years old. I was thinking a nice
CREAM" pjbanyai says, "WSD templates are buggy. The main template cancels
out the visual editor and only allows html text editing." Lunadyne says,
"But dark backgrounds are energy efficient." Rose/Miros says, "hmmm"
Rose/Miros says, "so we automatically have to have 2 themes" Rose/Miros
says, "light and dark" Lunadyne says, "How 'bout we work in one and flip to
the other?" Rose/Miros says, "iirc, each user can specify which theme they
want" Lunadyne says, "Are you talking like skins?" Rose/Miros says, "so i
can have the page open with the light theme as miros and with the dark
theme as Angelita" Rose/Miros says, "Angelita is my sock puppet/test
account, do not mess with her" Rose/Miros says, "yes, theme is roughly
skin" dcarson says, "
http://www.useit.com/alertbox/page-abandonment-time.html" dcarson says,
"peopel give pages about 10 seconds to be interesting" dcarson says, "if it
doesn't grab them by then they leave" kokhmmm says, "I atay on a page until
I've read most of it." Lunadyne says, "Like I said, short concise pages
unless they're looking for in-depth content." Rose/Miros says, "you a ren't
the average bear, peter" kokhmmm says, "Nope - i'm old school, born in 37"
dcarson says, "most web pages are bad, so people are ruthless about a quick
look to see if this one is worthwhile" Lunadyne says, "When I was building
longer articles for OotC I would make sure to include lots of images and
relevant hyperlinks, and people would stay to read through them."
Rose/Miros says, "guys, i have to keep typing, or the hubby whines about
his dinner" Rose/Miros says, "lol" Lunadyne says, "People see our website,
think Web 1.0 (i.e. 1990s, last millenium) and bounce." kokhmmm says,
"Perhaps the bulk of the current pages are mine. I wanted to get across
information - complete information - for those who really want it - why
would we want a supreficial person to join us?" kokhmmm says, "web
butterflies" Rose/Miros says, "actually, if the front page used the theme
of the about/spreadtheword sections, people might stick around" Lunadyne
says, "First reaction - for the membership dues. Second reaction - complete
information is good, but when you pull up our homepage on a smartphone it's
horrific." Rose/Miros says, "yep, tricia said that. I signed her up to test
the new site" kokhmmm says, "I don't have a smartphone so I can't comment
on that" Lunadyne says, "If people want quick access to, say, Moon
almanackal data, they should be able to visit our homepage and get there in
three taps - Moon, About, Alamanack. Hyperlinks from the almanack page will
lead to deeper, more complex articles." Rose/Miros says, "anyone ever go to
gene simmons page? he's got a ton of ads for everything under the sun
related to kiss which you have to scroll through before you even get to the
news" kokhmmm says, "I put information on the site to serve memebers, not
visitors, perhaps that was a mistake." Rose/Miros says, "i have no idea how
ANYONE goesthere on a sma rt phone" Lunadyne says, "All of our e-commerce I
want in one section. From the capital one Moon card to Amazon to CafePress,
I want a Moon Marketplace." Rose/Miros says, "we need to serve both,
primarily members who pay the bills, but we do need to interest visitors
too, to recruit them" Lunadyne says, "Peter, part of the sales pitch is to
turn visitors into members. That's how we grow." kokhmmm says, "Can we have
two sites? for visitors and for members?" pjbanyai says, "Last week I tried
adding to our homepage Facebook Insights meta tags. If setup properly it
would allow us to track who looks at our page from facebook. Unfortunately,
Insights requires that we have a Facebook App in addition to our page so I
could not get it to work. When we finally have Google account we could also
use Google Analytics." kokhmmm says, "But once they become members, we want
to keep them, and that means content." pjbanyai says, "We do not have
access to our Cafepress account." Rose/Miros says, "but we can link up
pretty/flashy to attract visitors to deeper content" Rose/Miros says, "that
was michael mealing's baby, wasn't i t?" Rose/Miros [to avoid]: the "no
access" thing, both james and i have all passwords to maintain the site
Lunadyne says, "Ugh. Part of why I asked for a Web Asset Directory, so that
we can get all of this stuff straightened out. Anyone been to our MySpace
place recently? Or the Yahoo group?" Rose/Miros says, "to avoid the "no
access" thing, both james and i have all passwords to maintain the site"
kokhmmm says, "Paul, I don't think we ever got any money from Cafe press.
We have two Cafe press shops. I set up the one for the Moonbase simulation.
" pjbanyai says, "We have some CafePress account info. But they do not
include our main page." Lunadyne says, "Once we get to the Lunar Lava Tube
field exercise it would be cool to have some swag for that." kokhmmm says,
"I am not sure if I can revover the access info. I think we could junk both
and start over." Rose/Miros says, "well, they'd be sitting there as
abandons, unless we have enough info to delete them" kokhmmm says, "btw,
Dave Sunlop visited 6 lavatubes to date, most of them on his most recent
trip to Ames" kokhmmm says, "Took lots of pix - haven't seen them yet"
Lunadyne says, "Peter and Paul, could you two work together and start
putting together a formal Web Asset Directory for TMS?" Lunadyne says,
"Everything that's not moonsociety.org" dcarson says, "I can email you what
I have" Rose/Miros says, "after late supper, i'll make a page that you can
hang st uff off" kokhmmm says, "Is that an outline of directories and
pages? Not sure what you mean by web asset directory" Lunadyne says, "No, I
want it as a document circulated amongst the officers. No P/Ws and U/Ns on
the web." Rose/Miros says, "actually 2, one for Moon Marketplace and one
for web asset directory" dcarson says, "cafepress, domain registration etc"
Rose/Miros says, "btw, orkut is full of brazilians and their spam, we
should look into deleting any "assets" still there" Rose/Miros says, "guys,
i gotta go, someone (like dana) poke me tomorrow with action items, ok?"
Lunadyne says, "For a Web Asset Directory you list all of your accounts
with their login info. Faccebook, MySpace, Orkut, CafePress, Capital One,
Amazon, Yahoo, everything that we're supposed to be managing but clearly
aren't." kokhmmm says, "P/Ws amd U/Ns ??? I'd say that's Greek to me, but I
knos Grrek a bit/" Rose/Miros says, "passwords and usernames" dcarson says,
"password, username" Rose/Miros says, "took me a few too" Rose/Miros says,
"see ya tomorrow, probably" kokhmmm says, "list all of your accounts with
their login info. Faccebook, MySpace, Orkut, CafePress, Capital One,
Amazon, Yahoo, - I know some of them only." Lunadyne says, "Thanks for
coming out Rosem and welcome back." kokhmmm says, "Actually, perhaps only
Orkut, if I can find the info." Lunadyne says, "Peter, that's why we need
to get the information laid out so we can see the big picture." Lunadyne
says, "Make sure that we have control of our assets." pjbanyai says, "I
somehow lost access to the myspace page. Excel list for Internet Accounts
are at http://www.moonsociety.org/private/board/corporate-documents/"
Lunadyne says, "And start using them for the benefit fo the society."
pjbanyai says, "I also lost admin access to Causes.com due to an update."
kokhmmm says, "James Rogers may know the info for all the social sites, if
we can get a hold of him." Lunadyne says, "excellent start, though I'm
leary of having that stuff on the web." kokhmmm says, "Charles Radley set
up Causes, I think" dcarson says, "Ken , just emailed you what I can find
offhand, will keep looking" lesausl says, "It's 10pm. I move for
adjournment." Lunadyne says, "One of the items on the agenda was the
formation of a Website Transformation Force (WTF) team to work on the
website." Lunadyne says, "I'll try to get that set up on WSD." Lunadyne
says, "I see two more minutes." pjbanyai says, "By the way I updated
LikedIn and added Ken, Peter, and Jason as admins. Unfortunately, I forgot
to make sure it kept me as an admin. So could someone add me back in.
Admins can currently add anyone they have as a contact. Previously the
LinkedIn account only granted admin access to thoss that added a second
email @moonsociety.org." AlanSteinberg says, "I don't need or want to be an
admin, but add me to the group on LinkedIn or as contacts with you guys =D"
kokhmmm says, "I would rather not be admin for any of these sites - I have
enough to keep me very busy" Lunadyne says, "One last agenda item - We need
to put together an editing team for the april issue fo MMM, themed on
Yuri's Nite and space parties. I thought we had ssome editors lined up for
October, but that seems not to be the case." Lunadyne says, "I'd like
everyone to start thinking of folks for an MMM Editing team." Lunadyne
says, "aND NOW I see 10pm." AlanSteinberg says, "Ken, what does editing
involve? are we talking proof reading word documents or layout type
issues?" Lunadyne says, "Motion to asjourn?" pjbanyai says, "We should
setup a publishing team." Lunadyne says, "Alan, latter." kokhmmm says, "I
don't ming the editing. I could use contributions to content: articles
etc." AlanSteinberg says, "k" lesausl says, "I second the moytion to
adjourn." Lunadyne says, "Yes, but we're looking to givbe you a break for
april, Peter." Lunadyne says, "So moved. In favor?" lesausl says, "Aye"
AlanSteinberg says, "aye" bnault says, "aye" pjbanyai says, "aye" kokhmmm
says, "Editing is easy, finding and writing content takes time" kokhmmm
says, "aye" lesausl has disconnected. Lunadyne says, "We are adjourned."
Lunadyne says, "Agreed, Peter, but we do need to start easing in some
editiong suport on MMM." Lunadyne says, "A theme-issue is a good way to
experiment and have some fun." Tricia [Guest] says, "Talk to me later about
that" dcarson says, "a theme issue on good books, movies etc might be good"
Tricia [Guest] says, "when I get through some things I'm working on now"
kokhmmm says, "Good night all." Lunadyne says, "Yuri's Night is getting
big. I'm trying to spread Moon Day. Wo" Lunadyne says, "Oh I got tons of
stuff for that Dana." dcarson says, "both nonfiction and fiction" Lunadyne
says, "World Space Week needs exposure." Lunadyne says, "I've got pretty
much every single Moon movie available on DVD." kokhmmm says, "Dana, I
include info on new books when I find it." kokhmmm says, "The HG Wells
one?" Lunadyne says, "w/Ray Harryhausen effects? Yes." dcarson says, "so
collecting all the reviews in a theme might be fairly easy" Lunadyne says,
"I'd also like to see SEDS covered in the April issue." bnault has
disconnected. Lunadyne says, "Perhaps a review of their conference." The
housekeeper arrives to cart lesausl off to bed. kokhmmm has disconnected.
Strangelv-1 arrives. Lunadyne says, "Allen Steele will have a juvenile out
in November, we could review that for the April issue as well." Lunadyne
says, "I just want it to have a younger theme to it. And a chance to try
out a new look." AlanSteinberg says, "alright, i'm out" AlanSteinberg has
disconnected. Tricia [Guest] says, "Interesting meeting Good night all" The
housekeeper arrives to cart bnault off to bed. pjbanyai says, "There are
two membership type which Rose can be listed under in Teamdir "Support" and
"Courtesy". I assume as Webmaster that she would fall under "Support."" The
housekeeper arrives to cart kokhmmm off to bed. Tricia [Guest] has
disconnected. The housekeeper arrives to remove Tricia [Guest]. Rose/Miros
says, "back" The housekeeper arrives to cart AlanSteinberg off to bed.
dcarson says, "rehi" Strangelv-1 was going to lurk but his connection in
here obviously timed out. He may need to explore other clients to find one
with a timer. It's on the to-do list for Gnome MUD, but that doesn't help
him _now_ Strangelv-1 entered his email address after the previous
meeting's recording, but didn't see any email with the rog Strangelv-1
says, "or log" Rose/Miros says, "hi james" Lunadyne has disconnected.
Strangelv-1 wonders if anyone in the meeting thought of things that should
be part of http://www.lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=Moon_Society_Projects
Strangelv-1
<http://www.lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=Moon_Society_ProjectsStrangelv-1>
hasn't managed to think of anything since he wrote it and is glad he typed
it up when he did, as had he done it later it would have been even moeur
incomplete Rose/Miros says, "i have notes from before, other s tuff that
didn't ge texplored" The housekeeper arrives to cart Lunadyne off to bed.
pjbanyai says, "Hi James, I dont think the recorder can send email. The
last time I was able to get it to send a log was almost exactly a year ago.
You can still use play to read the log. This is the main reason why Peter
has not kept up on the meeting minutes." Rose/Miros says, "you can edit the
page now if you wan t" Strangelv-1 says, "Does play spurt them out all at
once, does it spit out one line every minute and a half or so, or doese it
do something in between?" Strangelv-1 says, "The recorder in Space Chat is
notoriously slow, thus my all too slight exaggeration above" Rose/Miros
says, "i think it spts out about a screen full, then you have to do somet
hing to get the next screen full, iirc" Strangelv-1 says, "That might work"
Strangelv-1 says, "Beats spending 30 minutes or more waiting for it to
finish appearing" Rose/Miros says, "if it doesn' t, send in a clone and let
it spew unattended, then come back" Rose/Miros says, "they want a "web
asset directory with user names and passwords"" Rose/Miros says, "so we can
attempt to regain control of the orkut group, at least enough to delete it
" Rose/Miros says, "and similar" Rose/Miros says, "there's 2 or 3 cafe
press shops, run by differen t people" Rose/Miros says, "einstein team"
Strangelv-1 says, "Any chance of copying and pasting that. Actually if you
have the entire buffer, could you copy it and email it to Peter?" pjbanyai
says, "We already have an Excel speadsheet stored in the Board's private
directory. It includes Dreamhost account info that James sent me in April."
Strangelv-1 says, "The Dreamhost account passwords and the like have
changed twice since then becaues of the attacks" Rose/Miros says, "not that
the first change prevented the second a ttack" Strangelv-1 says, "and the
passwords have become even more impossible to remember, let alone type"
Strangelv-1 says, "Well not impossible to ype, just excedingly difficult.
Copy atd paste is pretty much a requiremen,t though" pjbanyai says, "I
would have placed files in leadership team except Ken wants that info more
secured and restricted to the Management Committee members." Rose/Miros
says, "it's very secure, most people don't know it exists" Chard has
disconnected. The housekeeper arrives to cart Chard off to bed. Strangelv-1
says, "[Insert what I should be thinking of to say here]" Rose/Miros says,
"lol" Rose/Miros says, "night" Strangelv-1 says, "May want to move to the
Commons before idling" 
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