-- Start log: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 9:01:47 pm ASI Meeting Server time-- 
dcarson says, "is now" PhilipC says, "thank you guys for coming" Scottyg
says, "Yes, the recorder is on. :-)" Strangelv-1 puts away the glokenspiel
and turns down the hard punk music PhilipC says, "the web committee meeting
is now started" Scottyg says, "Ok, I'd like to explain a little about the
methodology I used before we get into specifics." PhilipC says, "on the
agenda for today is the discussion of which host we should take a closer
look at and if we can I'd like to get a time commitment f rom all of us WRT
working on the website" PhilipC says, "is there anything else anyone here
would like to add for the agenda?" PhilipC says, "hearing nothing, let's
begin. " PhilipC says, "scotty, let's start with you" Scottyg says,
"Ok...." Scottyg says, "All of the review work I've done is based on what
is available on the web. (No phone or chat contact yet.)" Scottyg says, "I
began with the approach of evaluating candidates based on our list of
requirements." Scottyg says, "After reviewing 8 or 10 providers that way,
it was apparent that that methodology was producing very little
differentiation." Scottyg says, "For most of our mandatory requirements,
nearly all candidates met them or at least 9 out of 10." Scottyg says, "So
I changed the methodology and began focusing instead mostly on quality of
support and uptime with some judgement about what kind of customer do they
seem to cater to." Scottyg says, "There are three main types of hosting -
Shared server, Virtual Private Server (VPS), and dedicated server." Scottyg
says, "In the price range we are targeting, only shared server fits the
budget." Scottyg says, "Although I feel VPS would be a better solution for
us." Strangelv-1 concurs Scottyg says, "My ranking only considers shared
server (but several of the companies also offer VPS and dedicated server."
Scottyg says, "VPS starts at about $20 per month." Scottyg says, "And that
price level may not provide the features we need." Scottyg says, "Any
questions so far?" dcarson says, "not here" PhilipC says, "do you think
your rating system for shared service would approximate the same quality of
VPS?" Scottyg says, "Is everyone familiar with what you get with VPS?"
Strangelv-1 says, "I quicksummary probably cou/ldn't hurt" Scottyg says,
"Since my ranking was based mostly on quality of service, it would apply to
VPS too." Strangelv-1 isn't as familiar with it as he probably needs to be
Scottyg says, "Ok, a brief description....." Scottyg says, "With a VPS, it
"looks like" you are on a dedicated server. Some providers allow root
access to the VPS so you can pretty much do anything that the OS supports
that doesn't violate the providers terms of service." Scottyg says, "So we
could install whatever software we require for our needs." Scottyg says,
"(Like a MOO)." Scottyg says, "You are actually running on shared hardware
so speed won't be as good as a dedicated server, but I don't think will be
a problem for us." Strangelv-1 says, "What about our more CPU and bandwidth
intensive wishlist options?" Scottyg says, "(We are on shared hardware now
and speed seems fine.)" Scottyg says, "James, there is a broad spectrum of
service levels available. It just costs more money." Scottyg says, "The
only thing we are considering that might become speed/bandwidth hogs are
video." Scottyg says, "Both of the streaming variety and video chat."
PhilipC says, "that's to be expected" dcarson says, "and streaming can go
on youtube or such if needed" Scottyg says, "But again, we are a small
organization and I don't think we need that much speed or bandwidth. And if
we grow substantially, that should permit a larger budget." PhilipC says,
"it's nice to have but it probably will cost us a pretty penny to do it"
PhilipC says, "hence why we're also looking for a scalable service that can
grow along with us" Rose/Miros says, "sorry guys,but i'mnot planningon
video chatting ever" dcarson says, "if we can't find one that lets us host
a moo with web service we can host it elsewhere" dcarson says, "
http://www.genesismuds.com/packages/" dcarson says, "$54 a year" Scottyg
says, "I think we would need a budget of $30 per month to consider VPS.
(That gives us some flexibility in selecting the best fit for our needs.
IIRC there was only one company at the $20 level for VPS.)" Rose/Miros
says, "andthe SO complains when i audiochat with headphones on, he sezi get
too loud" PhilipC says, "but we probably pay for what we get" PhilipC says,
"or get what we pay for" Scottyg says, "SOmething else about the MOO. This
MOO belongs to ASI and we can't move it. But we could clone it under our
own domain." PhilipC says, "is there nothing else better than moo?" Scottyg
says, "I'm not very compentent to suggest MOO alternatives." Rose/Miros
says, "we look, we try, we come crawling back" Strangelv-1 says, "That
could change if we buy TLRC" dcarson says, "probably, but we haven't like
what we've tried as much" Rose/Miros says, "so my answer is No Yet" PhilipC
says, "all good things in time" Scottyg says, "Ok, ready to discuss the
rankings?" PhilipC says, "yes, please go on" Scottyg says, "Most of my
important information came from a review site called whoishostingthis.com"
Scottyg says, "They had reviews for 368 different providers." Scottyg says,
"BUT...." Scottyg says, "many of the providers only had one or a small
number of reviews and I didn't consider that information reliable." Scottyg
says, "So a criteria for inclusing on my list was at least 5 reviews,
except in special case. (For example, pair networks included for comparison
because Dana and I both have a lot of experience with pair." Scottyg says,
"And a second criteria was a user ranking of at least 4.5 out of 5."
Scottyg says, "(pair is ranked 4.5 and I think Dana and I consider them
quite good.)" Strangelv-1 says, "We had a very reliable time with Pair"
Scottyg says, "The above criteria probably exclude quite a few good
providers simply on the basis of insufficient information." Strangelv-1
says, "...except for one isolated incident" Rose/Miros says, "which was
spectacular" Scottyg says, "But the number of providers is so large you
have to do something to narrow it down." Rose/Miros says, "but 5 days out
of 5 years is pretty darn good" Strangelv-1 says, "Was DreamHost one of the
ones iyou looked at?" Scottyg says, "And much of that 5 days was actually
Randall transferring backups over a not very fast connection." Scottyg
says, "I looked a Dreamhost. They had a 4 ranking and quite a few support
complaints." Rose/Miros says, "andwe've had a few support
complaintsourselves" Scottyg says, "The three I selected had a lot of
reviews and not much in the way of support complaints." Strangelv-1 says,
"And AFAIK there's no way to run anything equivalent to the MOO or IRC with
it" Strangelv-1 says, "It's the service that all of our wikis are running
on" Rose/Miros says, "andmy site" Strangelv-1 needs to stop procrastinating
on wiki domain renewals. He has at least five that expire in the next 40
days Strangelv-1 says, "And a coupelo f other, notn-moon-society sites are
on it" Rose/Miros says, "if any of themneed to be rescued from godaddy, you
need to start now" Scottyg says, "And all three support our core
requirements. For the "wish list", it will be necessary to get on the phone
with someone knowledgeable and question them about specifics." Strangelv-1
says, "These five are probaby too late to transfer. GoDaddy will need to be
paid" Strangelv-1 says, "I've been waitidng to know who our new hosting
provider is. I've beet rather happy with DreamHost for this, but we may not
be using them..." Rose/Miros thwaps Strangelv-1 with a rolled-up newspaper.
"Bad! Bad! Bad!!!" Scottyg says, "That ups the level of effort considerably
so i recommend that initially we only do that for the top two or three. BTW
- the top two are so close it was a "gut feel" more than anything that
resulted in the rankings." dcarson says, "might add wiki hosting to list,
if we can consolidate it migth save a few bucks" Strangelv-1 says, "A
non-sleezy registry service would be good. Someone who isn't GoDaddy"
Scottyg says, "Wiki of some kind is standard with most of these. (They will
permit almost anything that uses php or CGI.)" Rose/Miros says, "thought
someone said we should keep registry separate from hosting" Scottyg says,
"Most of them can also handle registration. (In some cases for free.)"
Strangelv-1 says, "If we mant to keep them separate we could do that as
soon as I'm in good enough shape to go through my end of the proccess after
we select a registry" dcarson says, "OK, so that helps with the budget"
Scottyg says, "One question that mostly isn't very clearly answered is how
they do secure servers." Rose/Miros says, "and that's important"
Strangelv-1: "We don't need to encrypt the user data on company notebooks.
That's what the Windows password is for." Rose/Miros thwaps Strangelv-1
with a rolled-up newspaper. "Bad! Bad! Bad!!!" Strangelv-1 doesn't remember
where he found that quote Scottyg says, "Some run several domains on one
certificate. Others allow individual certs. That is a question to ask on
follow-up." Strangelv-1 says, "And in many cases your own will add
significantly to the monthly cost" dcarson says, "we've currently been
buyng our own cert" Scottyg says, "Ok, that covers most of what I had to
say." Strangelv-1 says, "It requires a fixed IP, correct?" Strangelv-1
says, "That costs extra in at last some cases" dcarson says, "so as long as
they allow a secure server with our own cert we're good" Scottyg says,
"Yes, using our own cert is desirable." Scottyg says, "BTW, this task
consumed quite a bit more time than I was expecting. (About 8 hours so
far.) I was struggling to find enough time to finish it since we had a new
grandson arrive last Tuesday a couple of weeks premature." Strangelv-1
says, "How is he doing?" Rose/Miros says, "yikesandcingrats" Scottyg says,
"i LOST ALL OF MY EVENINGS LAST WEEK AND PART OF THE WEEKEND." PhilipC
says, "congrats" Scottyg says, "He's doing great." PhilipC says, "again,
thank you for the work you've done" Strangelv-1 finds the caps lock
apropriate in this case Scottyg says, "Just a minute - I'm on the phone."
PhilipC says, "you've made a big difference here. you've given us a major
push in the right direction." PhilipC says, "i take it I probably need to
go to the MC for a request for a larger/more realistic budget that achieves
our strategic goals, which means VPS hosting?" PhilipC says, "from my
experience in looking through hosting providers, i tend to find that they
always charge more for secure servers. " PhilipC says, "is everyone
connected?" Rose/Miros says, "yep" Strangelv-1 arguably isn't , but that
tas nothing to do with his Internet connectivity dcarson says, "quite
possibly" Rose/Miros paints eyes on Strangelv's glasses so no one can tell
if he's asleep Strangelv-1's ability to follow the discussion doesn't
improve Scottyg says, "Ok, power is back on at home. Seems we fried a
squirrel." Strangelv-1 develops an electrical safety course for squirrels
dcarson says, "kamakazi squirrels are a major nuisence" Scottyg says, "They
have VERY small brains. Give it up!" Scottyg says, "So, can we set our next
action items?" Scottyg says, "Philip, a larger budget would be nice. I
think we can get most of what we want on a shared server, but not all."
dcarson says, "lets find out how much" PhilipC says, "What does everyone
here think?" Strangelv-1 says, "it would hep if we could provide the
committee a number" Rose/Miros says, "my personal action items: fix
registration/email verification, finish teamdir connection, paste more
pages, give up swearing for lent" Scottyg says, "But, I see the bank
statements and i have to say that we don't have a lot of extra money to
spend without going in the hole." Strangelv-1 says, "...Or at least to
Dana..." dcarson says, "and like I found a moo server is $54 a year so if
thats the missing bit is probaly cheaper then the upgrade to a VPS"
Rose/Miros says, "andthemes" Scottyg says, "Or maybe we just keep using the
ASI MOO with Skype as a backup." Strangelv-1 says, "That would likely work
in the short term" dcarson says, "yep" PhilipC says, "We're circling around
the issue. We need to nail it. " Scottyg says, "Philip, if you want to
discuss a larger budget with the MC, I think $30 per month is a workable
number for a VPS." Strangelv-1 says, "We need two tiers. One we can pay
today, and one that will meet our needs" Strangelv-1 says, "Preferably with
an poinless a transition between the two as possible" PhilipC says, "Dana,
is $30/mo. doable?" dcarson says, "yeah" Scottyg says, "We could make it a
requirement that our provider must offer both shared and VPS." Scottyg
says, "That would provide an easy upgrade path." PhilipC says, "Would
shared hosting meet our primary requirements?" Scottyg says, "For example,
greengeeks offers both." Scottyg says, "Yes." Strangelv-1 doenn't know, and
wonders how many donahiotns mwe gourld get for the specific purpose of
paying for hosting PhilipC says, "I don't think we'll need to do that.
Website costs would fall under operations costs." dcarson says, "donation
drives should be saved for projects" Strangelv-1 says, "How about QT
donations? " Strangelv-1 is paying $15 a month for hosting for a site he's
not updated in years PhilipC says, "I guess what I need to have when I go
to the MC is to know whether or not their budget is realistic? I think its
safe to assume that any provider we choose that offers shared, VPS, and
dedicated hosting would permit seamless scalability" PhilipC says, "If we
can accomplish the society's needs with just shared, then let's do that.
But if we need more, then we need to explain why." Scottyg says, "I just
checked greengeeks. Their VPS starts at 39.95/mo. But siteground has "Semi
Dedicated Hosting" at $29.95" PhilipC says, "A host that offers the
flexibility to install our own backend software but requires a little extra
for it is probably worth it" Scottyg says, "Bluehost doesn't do VPS."
Strangelv-1 says, "Is theer a standard enough a set of definitions that we
can tell what the differenec isL" Scottyg says, "inmotionhosting has VPS at
29.95" PhilipC says, "Ideally, I'd like to have a consensus from this
committee as to what course of action to take next. Should we run with
shared hosting? Is that insufficient for our requirements. Do we need VPS?
" Strangelv-1 believes we will eventually need VPS/semi-dedicated or
better. Shared and limited would be only a short-term solution dcarson
says, "shared should get all our key stuff and some of the wish list"
Scottyg says, "Philip, the problem is that applications can end up taking
down the server for all the other users on shared hosting. So the provider
may be reluctant to allow things they aren't familiar with." Scottyg says,
"So it may not be as simple as paying a little more." Strangelv-1 says,
"ALso shared would have us continuing to depend on Xisp/CyberTeams"
Rose/Miros says, "huh?" Strangelv-1 says, "For the MOO and possibly the
secure end" Strangelv-1 says, "Plus something I'm unable to remember at the
moment probably" Scottyg says, "I think we can probably get around the
secure server, but the MOO may not be possible." Rose/Miros says, "do you
think we can convince randall to put the moo on the read only site?"
Scottyg says, "I'm not sure what "read only" means in this context."
Rose/Miros says, "i.e. any objectsmodified, includingrecording, are
lostwhen the realsitecomes backup" Strangelv-1 says, "It's the fallback
server he's setting up or has set up" Strangelv-1 says, "It's his solution
for Xisp's reliability problems without changing to a different one"
Strangelv-1 says, "When in farrback mode the MOO will not be operating"
Scottyg says, "Read-only may mean no changes to web pages, etc, but
something like the MOO may become non-fuctional without the ability to
write files." Rose/Miros says, "do you think we can get him todo that"
Rose/Miros says, "well, thefiles couldbe modified,butnot mirrored backto
the realsite" dcarson says, "quite possibly" Strangelv-1 lacks an answer
beyond that Randall didn't nseem receptive when he was trying to suggest
something similar Rose/Miros says, "well, i didn't have TIMEto think of
arguments at the time" Scottyg says, "But even if the MOO can write files,
those may not get reflected back to the main server." Strangelv-1 says, "Is
it technically feansible with one domain name and two servers on opposide
sides of the continent?" Strangelv-1 <- ond ypresumably different hosting
ISPs Scottyg says, "James, the only way I know to redirect traffic in that
scenario is to change the DNS. That takes time to migrate through the DNS
resolution system." PhilipC says, "We're getting off topic" Scottyg says,
"Up to a day." PhilipC says, "Let's nail this down. Is shared hosting
sufficient for the remainder of the year?" Strangelv-1 says, "it depends"
dcarson says, "it should be" PhilipC says, "Rose? Scotty?" Strangelv-1
says, "it would mean that some wishilst items get postponed until next year
at the soonest" Scottyg says, "I think so if we're willing to leave the MOO
here." Rose/Miros says, "fineby me,buti'd like scotty to check thetop
contenders to see ifthe wishlist is doable (next year)" PhilipC says, "The
main reason we're moving to a new host is because cyberteams has shown
itself to be unreliable. So this probably means moving MOO" dcarson says,
"yeah, but the moo isn't a major public thing like the website" Strangelv-1
says, "It does make an excellent canary. We woulds't know the extent of our
problem if it wasn't also taking out our primary communications medium"
dcarson says, "if we have to skip a meeting or hold it via skyp because it
is down is not a real problem" Scottyg says, "I agree. The MOO is mostly
used by insiders and doesn't have much effect on our image. Its an
inconvenience but not a show stopper to me." PhilipC says, "Rose?" Scottyg
says, "And we may be able to run a MOO on a dedicated server. I just can't
promise that." Strangelv-1 says, "So are we scheduling the upgrade to
VPS/Semi-dedicated around January 2014?" Scottyg says, "Sorry - on a shared
server." PhilipC says, "It seems that we're moving to a consensus of
keeping the MOO with cyberteams while going with shared hosting" Rose/Miros
says, "fineby me,buti'd like scotty to check thetop contenders to see ifthe
wishlist is doable (next year)" dcarson says, "sounds right to me" PhilipC
says, "i was under the impression that we're moving to a new host asap"
Rose/Miros says, "the WISHLIST" PhilipC says, "at least that's what the
general sense of the MC was 2 meetings ago" Rose/Miros says, "the standard
stuff NOW,the wishlist next year" Scottyg says, "Agreed Rose. Soes anyone
else want to help with the next round? (Direct contact with providers?)"
Strangelv-1 says, "The immeidate part seems to be something that will be
less capable than what we presently have" Strangelv-1 says, "January is the
upglade assuming we've improved our financial position" Rose/Miros hasher
hands full this week Rose/Miros says, "butif it's more reliable and
satisfactory in the other requirements, i'm cool with it" Scottyg says,
"James, we can set that as a goal but I think other events will determine
whether it happens." Strangelv-1 says, "I suspect having a target will help
us remember" PhilipC says, "Let's back up here. Due to the Cyberteams
downtime which severely affected our website, the MC agreed that we need to
move to a new web host, which rapidly altered our time table for setting up
a new website" Rose/Miros says, "yes, that's why we made the requirements
list" PhilipC says, "The immediate goal is to find a new host, develop a
new "eye candy" type of website that enables basic functionality, and then
to gradually add capabilities to that site as time permits" Rose/Miros
says, "the last quasi-requirment is that they can support the wish list"
PhilipC says, "January 2014 was never agreed on. We need to move now"
Scottyg says, "I think I can complete the next round of provider survey by
next MC meeting Philip." Rose/Miros says, "that's for teh wishlist" Scottyg
says, "Philip, I think you misunderstood what James was saying."
Strangelv-1 says, "January wazs imprlied, and I' was asking if that was teh
target for the next phase we wanted" dcarson says, "some of which we don't
have now" Strangelv-1 says, "The first phase is what we can do ASAP"
Scottyg says, "He's saying go with shared hosting now, but with a goal to
upgrade to VPS by next Jan." PhilipC says, "I understand that we're not
going to have full functionality like we did before. That's the trade off
for moving quickly." dcarson says, "actually the onlt think on the wishlist
we have and use is the moo" dcarson says, "and that we can finesse" PhilipC
says, "But if we can scale up over the course of this year, then let's do
that." Strangelv-1 says, "Multiple board members have proposed things that
make the MOO look trivial to implement by comparison, though" Scottyg says,
"And some of the things on the wishlist we can install ourselves."
Strangelv-1 says, "Such as Apache Wave" Rose/Miros says, "we just need to
find out what we're permitted toinstall at the different levels"
Strangelv-1 says, "Our target could celtianly be bumped up if circumstances
permit" PhilipC says, "So assuming that we're going to be upgrading/scaling
up the new website over the course of this whole year, this takes us back
to the original question: "is shared hosting enough?"" Strangelv-1 doesn't
even remember woh suggested the idea. Was it Philip? dcarson says, "I
believe shared is fine" Strangelv-1 says, "Shared hosting is good enough
for the middetiate and short term, and probably not for longer term"
Strangelv-1 says, "Is my impression" Rose/Miros says, "i believe it istoo,
but i'dlike scotty to actually communicate to the providers" Scottyg says,
"I think we can live with shared for now." PhilipC says, "Then we'll go
with shared. We just need to ask if they are willing to allow us to upgrade
at pro-rated costs. So that when the time comes when we're ready to scale
up, we can do so seamlessly." PhilipC says, "Is it my understanding that
shared hosting is doable with our current budget?" Scottyg says, "I'll try
to get these people on the phone this weekend. That will be a good test for
support quality." Strangelv-1 says, "if not we pass the had at a management
committee meeting" dcarson says, "thanks Scotty" Scottyg says, "Yes Philip.
Budget is not a problem with shared hosting." Strangelv-1 says, "That's a
nicely devious idea. Thank you, Scotty" PhilipC says, "I agree. It will be
a good test." Scottyg says, "Cost is typicall from about 7 to 15 per
month." Scottyg says, "At 15, we are a little over budget but I don't see
that as a problem." PhilipC says, "I think that resolves the hosting issue.
" PhilipC says, "We'll go with appx. $150/yr for hosting" PhilipC says,
"and scale up as needs require" PhilipC says, "Next on the agenda is
designing the new site and getting time commitments from each of us"
Rose/Miros says, "any commentson thecurrent blacktheme?" PhilipC says, "WRT
developing the new site, Rose do you have any thoughts?" Strangelv-1 says,
"Maybe a list of to-do items roughly in order of importance?" Rose/Miros
says, "ihave a to-dolist of tech issues" Strangelv-1 is still trying to
think of a design. The lunar surrface in a nice photo on the left with
Earth in the upper left corner? Rose/Miros says, "i need dana to help
mewith a couple andprobably mike or dana for a couple more, the rest i can
just bang on" Rose/Miros says, "if peoplewant to workon theme,askme andi'll
give you acopy of the current theme to bang on" Rose/Miros says, "do NOT
just slop together css and try to retrofit it into a theme" Scottyg says,
"I'm good with infrastructure and functionality but not so much with
appearance. I'll help with technical issues but prefer to get into page
design." Rose/Miros says, "iassume that's prefer NOT" Scottyg says, "Not to
get into page design." Rose/Miros says, "ok" PhilipC says, "Is there a
platform we can use to do cooperative web design?" Rose/Miros says, "howare
you at slopping in copy andpaste?" Rose/Miros says, "i'mfiguring we'll each
bang onour copiesof the currenttheme" Scottyg says, "Boring but I can help
out." Rose/Miros says, "and discusswhat welikefromeach" Rose/Miros says,
"and then we'll incorporate favorite changes into eachcopy" Rose/Miros
says, "and bang somemore" Rose/Miros says, "and repeat" PhilipC says,
"induction + iteration? i can live with that" Rose/Miros says, "you just go
into "appearance" and change to rose-theme and james-theme and
whoever-theme" PhilipC says, "we'll need a test site that allows each of us
to upload our own themes" Rose/Miros says, "my main complaintwith the
current themeis no nav menu, but I can probably figure out how to get that
working" Rose/Miros says, "nope,we can do it on the current test theme"
Rose/Miros says, "just multiple copies of the theme" PhilipC says, "i'd
like to play around with different menu structures (side and header), in
addition to develop different logos and font styles" Rose/Miros says, "you
can do that too,i think,there's a "blocks" configuration" Scottyg says,
"Rose, I have CSS that implements drop-down menus." PhilipC says, "we'll
need to gather a very large sample of NASA surface images that we can use
for backgrounds. They can be tastefully incorporated into the background if
placed at somewhere between 5-15% transparency." Scottyg says, "(Its on
nearly all the Moon Society pages except the home page." PhilipC says, "no
more than 25%" Rose/Miros says, "james is interested in making ad type
things so we can randomly advertise all the stuff that currently has
buttons on the homepage" Strangelv-1 is thinking more of a batter that
changes Strangelv-1 says, "or banner" Rose/Miros says, "it's called the ad
module, but has nothing to do with paid ads or such" Rose/Miros pokes at
Strangelv-1. Rose/Miros says, "i've explained this 3 times, guess you've
beenasleep" Rose/Miros grins. Rose/Miros says, "for appearance sake,we want
the graphics the samesize" Scottyg says, "Folks, if I'm not needed for
anything else tonight, I'd like to head for home. My wife and i haven't had
supper yet." Rose/Miros says, "banner is as good as any other size"
Rose/Miros says, "ok, thanks for your hard work" Strangelv-1 waves. PhilipC
says, "Sure thing Scotty. Again, thank you for all that you've done."
Strangelv-1 nods. Scottyg says, "Sure thing. Wish I had more time I could
commit but my life is still pretty busy while my energy level steadily
declines." dcarson says, "thanks Scotty" Scottyg says, "(I'm 67 and still
working nearly full time.)" PhilipC says, "Scotty, you've made a big
difference here." Scottyg says, "G'nite all. I'll check back when I get
home and get my home network running again." Scottyg says, "But ya'll will
probably be gone by then. :-)" Scottyg has disconnected. Strangelv-1 may be
here if not attentive PhilipC says, "I won't be able to work on the website
this weekend, but I should be able to have some free time the following
weekend." Rose/Miros says, "who wants a theme to bang on?" Strangelv-1
raises a hand PhilipC says, "i do. But as i said, i won't be free until the
following weekend" Strangelv-1 has no hope foind any of it today Rose/Miros
says, "lol, i didn'tthink so" Rose/Miros says, "but ican getthe folders set
up" Rose/Miros says, "and bang alittlemyself" PhilipC says, "when i'm
ready, i'll contact you to get the server connection info" Rose/Miros says,
"ok" Rose/Miros says, "we'll probably havetoreinventthewheel again,i keep
forgetting to document that in a human readable manner" PhilipC says, "i
haven't worked on web design since i moved to linux. i'll have to explore
what platforms they have " Strangelv-1 finds Kate to be superior to notepad
Rose/Miros says, "since it'sa drupal theme, you may have to resort to make
change, upload, test, rinse, lather, reepeat" The housekeeper arrives to
cart Scottyg off to bed. PhilipC says, "actually i found out that i already
installed bluefish" PhilipC says, "Rose, could you give me the server info
so that i can work on it later?" Rose/Miros says, "um, can i mail itto you
in the morning, or are you hot to start?" Strangelv-1 wonders if we're
comcluded and want to turn the recorder off or if we're still in session
PhilipC says, "Not hot yet, but it'll be easier for me later if i have it
ready to go." PhilipC says, "Actually hold on." PhilipC says, "It seems
that we casually achieved the final agenda item of agreeing on time
commitments. by process of iteration, we'll develop the new website in a
somewhat more organic fashion until we have something worthy enough to
recommend to the MC" PhilipC says, "Hopefully we'll be ready to go live in
about a month or so with a new host." Strangelv-1 seems to remember there
being a deadline in three weeks Rose/Miros says, "relax james,don't be
difficult" PhilipC says, "From there we'll gradually scale up" PhilipC
says, "over the course of the entire year" PhilipC says, "Is there anything
else anyone here would like to add?" Rose/Miros says, "i pasted in the
chapter info from peter," PhilipC says, "If there's no objection, I move
that we adjourn" Rose/Miros says, "james, do you have filezilla running? i
can't log in via ftp" Rose/Miros says, "i agree" PhilipC says, "Meeting is
adjourned" Strangelv-1 loks for the quicxklaunch button 
-- End log: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 11:00:52 pm ASI Meeting Server time --