-- Start log: Wednesday, May 1, 2013 9:08:31 pm ASI Meeting Server time --
PhilipC says, "Welcome everyone to the May 1, 2013 Management Committee
meeting." Lunadyne has disconnected. Lunadyne has connected. PhilipC says,
"Let's start by taking attendance. Will everyone present please state your
name and your position" PhilipC says, "Philip Crume, chairman" Rose/Miros
says, "rosalie dieteman, webmaster" Lunadyne says, "Ken Murphy" Lunadyne
says, "President" pjbanyai says, "Paul Banyai, Vice President" Scottyg-1
says, "Scotty Gammenthaler, Assistant Treasurer" dcarson says, "Dana Carson
treasurer" Strangelv-3 says, "James Gholston, former director" Strangelv-3
notes that the time is 20:11 CDT PhilipC says, "As of right now, we do not
appear to have quorum. So we will need to post-pone approving the last
meeting's minutes and will not be able to make any binding votes until one
more person arrives." Strangelv-3 says, "We can do reports" Strangelv-3 has
one PhilipC says, "I'd like to start by summarizing the agenda for tonight"
Lunadyne says, "Membership is steady at 169." PhilipC says, "Please hold
giving any reports" PhilipC says, "Of course we'll have reports. As for old
business I think we can probably set aside some time for the website. "
PhilipC says, "Is there any other old business that we need to discuss?"
PhilipC says, "Now how about new business?" Lunadyne says, "I have an item
or two, but not critical." PhilipC says, "Okay, we'll set aside some time
for Ken after we discuss the website. Is there any thing else? " PhilipC
says, "If someone else has something they'd like to discuss, please feel
free to interject. " Strangelv-3 . o O ( Treasures's report? Membership
report? ) PhilipC says, "On to the reports. Ken you have the floor for the
membership report" Lunadyne says, "Membership is steady at 169." Lunadyne
says, "Any questions?" Strangelv-3 says, "Am I correct that we're now ginig
out lapel pins?" Strangelv-3 says, "Is that new or renewals?" Lunadyne
says, "New, AFAIK" Chard arrives in cloud of smoke. Strangelv-3 cheers
loudly. Lunadyne says, "I have been passing them out at conferences and so
forth." Strangelv-3 says, "Is there a way for existing members to get one?"
PhilipC says, "Hello Jason" Chard says, "I'm here... I do apologize for my
lateness" PhilipC says, "Point of order. Let the record show that Jason
Tuttle has now arrived. We now have quorum" PhilipC says, "Perhaps the
society can sell them to existing members?" PhilipC says, "Or we can give
them as awards" Lunadyne says, "I've considered a mailing to each member
individually, but feel that would be a stupid postage expense." Lunadyne
says, "I remember I did have to pay for my NSS pin." Lunadyne says, "$3 or
$5, something like that." PhilipC says, "Or maybe a "suggested" donation"
Lunadyne says, "It would be good to have something on the new website about
them." pjbanyai says, "Could we have pins which say how long someone has
been a member?" Lunadyne says, "I like the idea, but those would be small
batch orders." Lunadyne says, "IIRC, we ordered 500 of the regular ones."
dcarson says, "tell members to come by our table at ISDC etc or send X to
get ne mailed/" PhilipC says, "I might be able to develop something like
that" Lunadyne says, "Yes, I will have some at ISDC to hand out to existing
members." dcarson says, "which reminds me, I need to check if NSS and Moon
Society are doign a joint party at Balticon" Lunadyne says, "Should I send
you a bunch?" dcarson says, "if so mailing me a few and I can hand them out
might make sense" dcarson says, "send about 10" Lunadyne says, "Will do."
dcarson says, "whatever fits a weight breakpoint" PhilipC says, "Are there
any other questions for the membership report? we need to move on" pjbanyai
says, "Darn:( My vacation in San Diego starts the day after ISDC ends. That
week was blocked out." Strangelv-3 says, "boop" Lunadyne says, "Bummer!"
PhilipC says, "Is there anything else for the membership report?" PhilipC
says, "Moving on. Dana, you have the floor for the treasurer's report."
dcarson says, "OK" dcarson says, "No changes, local CPAs emailed" dcarson
says, "I restricted it to CPAs with a published email address, I don't
think we'll work to well with one who doesn't have one" dcarson says,
"waiting for Peters expense report so I can send him a check" Scottyg-1
says, "Bank balance March 31 was $31,112.75, down a little over $500 from
Feb." Lunadyne says, "$500? Postage?" Scottyg-1 says, "I see a couple of
checks of $200-300. Dana would have to identify." dcarson says, "postmaster
and messenger bags" Lunadyne says, "Oh that's right, the Lunar Sample
Bags." Lunadyne says, "Found a new underwriter for this year (maybe?) -
Moonlite Printing." dcarson says, "both sent the end of Feb" dcarson says,
"any questions/" PhilipC says, "Dana, you brought up a question in today's
leader e-mail about what level of audit we want from the CPA. " PhilipC
says, "Should we come to a general agreement here on that question?"
Lunadyne says, "The safest is an unqualified letter audit." Lunadyne says,
"That means that the auditor found nothing that concerned him/her." dcarson
says, "does Amazon state what we need?" PhilipC says, "For those of us here
who aren't in finance, unqualified means there was nothing of concern"
Strangelv-3 feels unqualified at this time in a differenet sense of the
term to select the type of audit Lunadyne says, "It can actually be a
marketing point, too. How many other space advocacy groups have a qualified
audit of their books?" Lunadyne says, "unqualified" Scottyg-1 says, "Does
an auditor normally look at controls? Or just the financial transactions?"
dcarson says, "that seems to be the major difference between the 3 levels
in the email" Strangelv-3 looks at Jason PhilipC says, "I could see us
going for an unqualified audit to seek grant funding. Other than that, if
we're only getting an audit for Amazon, then we should just go for the
minimal threshold" Scottyg-1 says, "I would say our controls are very
weak." Scottyg-1 says, "We might have trouble if we ask for a review in
that area." Chard says, "they will or should look at controls... sarbanes
oxley comes to mind" PhilipC says, "I suspect we're probably too small to
be required to have any complicated controls" Lunadyne says, "Agreed. And
access to the cash is pretty limited." PhilipC says, "we need to make sure
there isn't fraud or embezzling happening, but other than that our
accounting and finances should be focused on our organizational mission"
dcarson says, "requiring multiple signatures would be a nightmare with how
spread out we are" Lunadyne says, "Which I would say they pretty well are.
Any examination of expenditures should show that." Scottyg-1 says, "Yep.
The same for handling checks for memberships." Strangelv-3 says, "The
suspicious banquets, the sports team sponsorships the.. wait. We don't do
that. When have we ever spent money on something dubious to our mission/"
Lunadyne says, "Exactly!" dcarson says, "and Scotty sees what I do so I
can't get away for too long with stuff" PhilipC says, "If we're to have any
controls, we probably need either the chairman or the president have access
ot bank statements, or possibly cell phone text alerts whenever any funds
are drawn from the account" Lunadyne says, "I am getting more experience
with grants, so I think Philip is on the right path that a full audit is
the best investment." dcarson says, "can add online access and probably
should" PhilipC says, "as am i" Scottyg-1 says, "I think we're comfortaable
with things as they are. I;m not sure an outsider would feel as good about
it." Lunadyne says, "Not so hip on online access. That represents a risk."
Strangelv-3 says, "An autside auditor might have ideas that we would want
to consider implementing" Strangelv-3 . o O ( Are we basically combining
reports with business? ) PhilipC says, "good point, it appears that the
reports have morphed into new business." Lunadyne says, "Audit is old
business." Strangelv-3 says, "Not makinga point of order, just wondering"
Lunadyne says, "A legitimate aspect of the Treasury report as well."
PhilipC says, "ahem, I mean old business. Dana, do you think we need a
motion or do you already have prior authorization to proceed?" Lunadyne
says, "I move we that we have a full audit conducted on our books with the
intent of receiving an unqualified auditor's opinion." PhilipC says, "Any
second?" dcarson says, "second" PhilipC says, "Any discussion?" PhilipC
says, "Especially from those who haven't yet said anything?" Chard says,
"agreed, aye" Strangelv-3 has no objection to a full strength audit
pjbanyai says, "aye" Lunadyne says, "aye" PhilipC says, "Ok. All in favor
affirm by saying aye. All opposed by saying nay." PhilipC says, "aye"
dcarson says, "aye" pjbanyai says, "aye" Strangelv-3 wonders if we should
say that passed by acclaimation Lunadyne says, "aye" Chard says, "aye"
PhilipC says, "Motion carries. " PhilipC says, "I only wish to amend this
motion by adding that Dana should probably shop for the best price" dcarson
says, "planning on it" Lunadyne says, "I'll consider that a friendly
amendment." PhilipC says, "Any idea on how much this might cost?" dcarson
says, "I haven't got any quotes yet" Lunadyne says, "We've budgeted $500,
springing to $1000 if necessary (necessary being defined as agreed by BoD)"
PhilipC says, "That's sounds reasonable to me. " PhilipC says, "One further
friendly amendment, " Strangelv-3 would raise a point of order that there
is no such thing as a frliendly ammendment, plus the matter has already
been voted on, but lacks standing to do so PhilipC says, "can we agree here
for the sake of expediency that if dana finds a cpa who is under budget,
that he should have the authority to proceed?" Lunadyne says, "Under
budget? I have zero problems with that." Strangelv-3 would so move, but
lacks standing to do so PhilipC says, "James, your point of order has been
noted. " Strangelv-3 . o O ( Anyone want to so move and call the question
immediately? ) Chard nods. Strangelv-3 says, "You have standing to do so"
PhilipC says, "It would seem that the vote we just passed implies that Dana
has unlimited authority to proceed with a full audit. i'm just trying to
limit the authority to a more reasonable level" PhilipC says, "so that we
don't end up bankrupting ourselves over a simple audit." Lunadyne says, "We
are limited by the previously approved budget." PhilipC says, "if that is
sufficient for everyone here, then i'll be okay with it." dcarson says,
"thats what I'd assumed" Strangelv-3 sees that the email [LEADERS] MINUTES:
20 Feb and 06 March -- got through the milter filter faster than he
expected -- an hour before the meeting. It will be needed for a very short
report PhilipC says, "then i guess i'm okay with it. " PhilipC says, "if
there's nothing else, let's move on" PhilipC says, "James, you have the
floor " Strangelv-3 says, "Acting secretaries report" Strangelv-3 says,
"Because I've been focused entirely on the web site at the expense of
anything else I still don't have minutes from two weeks ago or last week. I
have, however, re-emailed the minutes for the two previous meetings,
minutes the board meeting we're qot qualified to approve the minutes of,
for approval" Strangelv-3 says, "Does anyone wish to make a motion to
approve (and after that, possibyl to ammend) either or both sets of
minutes?" Strangelv-3 says, "Does anyone have any questions?" Lunadyne
says, "I kind of like the raw logs better, but they do seem to be
sufficient." Strangelv-3 says, "We have a purpose for both" Chard says,
"and we do appreciate all of the hard work that's been done on the
website.. eager to see it live... will be a good announcement" Strangelv-3
says, "The minutes are the legally binding document that would show up in a
legal situation" PhilipC says, "I appreciate having minutes and a quick
reference to any decisions made in meetings" Strangelv-3 says, "That's a
different report" Strangelv-3 smiles PhilipC says, "In a perfect world, I'd
even like to see a single condensed vote log" Lunadyne says, "I am looking
forward to the announcement of the new website. Jason, think you can whip
up a press release for us?" Chard says, "shouldn't be a problem" PhilipC
says, "Speaking of the website, that's a nice segue to the website "
Strangelv-3 says, "That might be in order. This said, I was converted to a
school of very terse minutes. None of the negatiwves really apply to us as
we can then go back and refer to the logs, but minutes do work better if
they get approved, otherwise in a legal sense they don't exist" Strangelv-3
is still hoping for someone to make a motion to approve minutes Lunadyne
says, "Then let's get those minutes approved!" Lunadyne says, "I move we
approve the minutes distributed 05/01/2013 by James." PhilipC says, "and
second?" PhilipC says, "any second?" pjbanyai says, "Second" PhilipC says,
"all in favor please say aye" PhilipC says, "aye" Lunadyne says, "Aye"
Chard says, "aye" pjbanyai says, "aye" dcarson says, "aye" PhilipC says,
"the motion carries. the minutes are now approved." Strangelv-3 says,
"Thank you" PhilipC says, "And thank you for doing them" Lunadyne says,
"Thanks James!" PhilipC says, "Moving on to the website. Rose, you have the
floor" Chard looks at Rose. PhilipC says, "If she's AFK, James, would you
like to start the tour?" Strangelv-3 says, "Standby for a flood" Rose/Miros
says, "i'm sort of here" Rose/Miros says, "james is more prepared than i
am" Strangelv-3 says, "Website" Strangelv-3: http://test.moonsociety.org
Strangelv-3 says, "We have implementions (some need debugging still) for:"
Strangelv-3: * CSS3 desktop/notebook browsers Strangelv-3: * CSS3 tablet
browsers Strangelv-3: * CSS3 phone browsers Strangelv-3: * CSS2
desktop/notebook browsers Strangelv-3: * CSS2 phone and tablet browsers
Strangelv-3: * HTML 3.2 Strangelv-3: * Dropoff cases Strangelv-3 says, "The
following additional implementations are planned and should be ready soon:"
Strangelv-3: * MSIE 5.5 & 6 Strangelv-3: * MSIE 7 & 8 Strangelv-3: *
Dropoff phone and tablet Strangelv-3 says, "Tablet has not yet been tested
to see that we now get tablet on tablets instead of telephones."
Strangelv-3 says, "CSS2 and dropoff cases have limited support for newer
browsers -- point a new browser at dropoff and it will sort of look like
CSS2; CSS2 supports resizing features for browsers that support it."
Strangelv-3 says, "CSS3 uses a flexbox layout that is not compotible with
otherwise CSS3 level versions of Internet Explorer and Opera. Those are
being directed to the CSS2 layout by Scotty theme switcher, which has been
significantly upgraded in the past week." Strangelv-3 says, "Scotty's theme
switcher's new features make it easy to guide browsers that aren't
correctly placed by Browscap with one of two lists: overrides and
fallbacks. Overrides include most versions of Opera, most versions of
Internet Explorer, Arora, and the dreaded Netscape 4 (which thanks to
Scotty's module, can be given markup it will actually behave itself with).
Fallbacks include all unidentified Gecko and Webkit browsers, as well as a
lot of browsers claiming to be Mozilla." Strangelv-3 says, "Scotty and I
have created a spotlight module written purely in php. The categories are
defined in a text file that Scotty set up and we have three: easy,
technical, and miscellaneous. This way first time visitors won't see
entirely the wrong end of the spectrumin our spotlight. Unfortunately, we
still only have seven spotlight items total. HELP!" Strangelv-3 says, "We
also have not nearry been able to get sshould wait until the website comes
up again during business if we're keeping this report separate from
business." Strangelv-3 says, "Plus I want to let Scotty and Rose discuss
their parts of this before I ask" Strangelv-3 sees oneof his lines got
mangled Strangelv-3 says, "We also have not been able to get started on
adding content to the website. if we wanted to deploy today, this would be
our number one showstopper. This and some CSS glitches that will hopefully
be worked out soon are our only showstoppers." Lunadyne says, "What are the
spotlight items?" Rose/Miros says, "links on the front page to things we
think would help get people interested enough to join" Strangelv-3 says,
"Tech: nwo technical acticlas on Lunarpedia, the BEaming demo kit"
Strangelv-3 says, "Easy: your blog and MMM #1" Strangelv-3 says,
"Miscellaneous: Lunarpedia and Exodictionary" Strangelv-3 says, "I would
like to have at least a dozen in each category by launch" Lunadyne says,
"Maybe a couple science projects?" Strangelv-3 says, "That would be good,
yes" Rose/Miros says, "obviously two different interpretations of "what"
;-)" Strangelv-3 says, "I need a name/description, a URL< and a graphic to
put on the button" Strangelv-3 says, "For basically as many things as
possible" Lunadyne says, "Our Lunar Labs." Strangelv-3 says, "Maybe assign
a weight. My default weight is 50, but they're proportional. A weight of 1
would show up 1 time for every 50 of the 50 weighted item" Lunadyne says,
"When they're done." Strangelv-3 says, "You menitoned a video eariler, but
I wasn't abel to play or DL it to get a screenshot" PhilipC says, "I think
that for the most part this site looks great" Strangelv-3 says, "Someone
nitted it for not being colorful enough" Strangelv-3 says, "Also, Jason, do
you have your tablet with youO?" Chard says, "yes" Rose/Miros says, "ignore
where it displays the name of the theme; that's for testing purposes so we
can verify that the switcher is working correctly" Chard says, "I'm on it
now" Scottyg-1 says, "I'll provide an executive summary. Until this point,
we've been working on page layouts and back-end infrastructure. While
support for some browsers is incomplete, I think we can go with what we
have. But none of the content has been prepared yet. I think the web team
would like comments on what we have for page layout, menu presentation,
etc. See http://test.moonsociety.org" Strangelv-3 says, "Is it one column,
two column,s or three?" PhilipC says, "i have an ipad. i'll go get it and
check it out" Strangelv-3 says, "Scotty fixed a bug that was sending
tablets to the phone verison -- but fix is untested" Strangelv-3 says,
"danke" Strangelv-3 says, "Rose has been working on the menu system, which
seems to be making theme creation seem easy by comparison" Lunadyne says,
"The one suggestion I would have is a Mission Statement type thing on the
first page. My preference is 'Dedicated to humans living and working on our
Moon'. Otherwise it's not clear what it's about." Rose/Miros says, "ok, we
can do that" Scottyg-1 says, "Rose, do you have any plans on making the
menu a drop-down?" Rose/Miros says, "i'd like to talk that over withyou
sometime" Rose/Miros says, "i tried the popup menu plugin, but it caused
more problems than it solved" Strangelv-3 did not like the drop-down
implementation that had been looked into dcarson says, "
http://www.moonsociety.org/spreadtheword/vision_expansion.html" Strangelv-3
goes ahead and asks Strangelv-3 says, "QUESTION: If we were to deploy the
site EXACTLY AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, with content but no other changes, what do
you suddenly wish we'd done differently?" Strangelv-3 says, "Assume someone
already complained about the theme version at the top of the page" Chard
says, "smaller fonts maybe" Scottyg-1 says, "I have css for opo-out menus.
It would need changes to fit into the Drupal scheme, but I could provide
some help with doing that." PhilipC says, "i'd still like to work on
developing an alternative menu that pops out/drops down out of a single
button" Scottyg-1 says, "pop-out menus too." PhilipC says, "i'd also like
to develop a logo" Rose/Miros says, "we were thinking of that for the phone
versions" Rose/Miros says, "lol, that's been under discussion for HOW MANY
years?" PhilipC says, "i just haven't had the time to put in the necessary
work to make it done" PhilipC says, "i know.... (kicks a can)..."
Strangelv-3 had it as an action item handed to him and Simon Rowland in
2000 PhilipC says, "on the ipad, the spotlight doesn't show up" Strangelv-3
's ideas were all rejected but he may have a new one Strangelv-3 says,
"Scroll down" Strangelv-3 says, "it should appear in a different form"
Chard says, "I see the spotlight logo on the iPad mini" dcarson says,
"apply the Welcom to the Moon Scoiety shading to the large text area so it
isn't as harsh a difference from the background?" PhilipC says, "also in
the chapters page, the links are pushing through the frame" Strangelv-3
says, "The spotlight appears in two forms depending on the page width"
Strangelv-3 says, "The longer words push through the buttons. I don't yet
have a solution for that" dcarson says, "and to the footnote box"
Strangelv-3 says, "What about what box?" Chard says, "second on the links
pushing outside their respective containers on the iPad mini" Rose/Miros
says, "chapters page needs work, i don't like having people's email addys
hanging out in public, but that's a drupal feature" Strangelv-3 says,
"Should I make the buttons wider even for narrower screens?" Rose/Miros
says, "basically, the people who would be contacted need to have accounts"
Strangelv-3 says, "IIRC I just copied and pasted the text on our present
site" Rose/Miros says, "and some of those items are long......" Strangelv-3
says, "Which fonts were you wanting smalle,r Jason?" bnault has arrived.
Strangelv-3 says, "Hello" Strangelv-3 says, "We're into the report/musiness
of teh web site with a question" bnault says, "hello!" PhilipC says, "Hi
Ben" Chard says, "hi Ben" Strangelv-3 says, "QUESTION: If we were to deploy
the site EXACTLY AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, with content but no other changes,
what do you suddenly wish we'd done differently?" Scottyg-1 says, "I prefer
using form mail for email contact. That way no one gets your email
address." Lunadyne says, "More menus." Strangelv-3:
http://test.moonsociety.org Lunadyne says, "I'm ready to start inputing
once we get the menu structure laid out." Rose/Miros says, "bassackwards"
Strangelv-3 says, "The menus and the structure can't realyl be separated"
Rose/Miros says, "you make pages, the menu is an option on the page"
Strangelv-3 says, "They go together" PhilipC says, "The only other comment
I have is that I'd like to make sure that the new site's menu structure
should be much simpler than the old one" Chard says, "I think we should
have a contact form ...with no way for spam/hackers to farm our addys"
Strangelv-3 needs someone else to look at the contact forms for Drupal 7
Rose/Miros says, "we will chard, i need to clean up the chapters page as
the first step in implementation" Scottyg-1 says, "That was my point
Jason." Strangelv-3 needs someone else to work on content or we're not
going to be ready in time for ISDC Lunadyne says, "I did forward a
suggested menu strucutre. I can resend that if desired." Rose/Miros says,
"i have it" Strangelv-3 says, "That would be a good starting point for what
content to work on first" Scottyg-1 says, "I have it Ken. Thanks! But we
need the pop-out implementation." Strangelv-3 wonts to see this pop out
menu implementation that he's theoretically not going to hate Strangelv-3
says, "Also remember our menu is vertical, not horizontal" PhilipC says,
"Overall, I like the design. " Lunadyne says, "Agreed." Scottyg-1 says,
"Well, function would be like almost www.moonsociety.org pages except the
home page. Appearance can be tweaked." Rose/Miros says, "james, you'll see
it when scotty and i do" PhilipC says, "The cough drop style almost reminds
me of modular facilities" Scottyg-1 says, "Well, function would be like
almost all www.moonsociety.org pages except the home page. Appearance can
be tweaked." Rose/Miros says, "i think it was supposed to, philip" PhilipC
says, "it didn't occur to me until just now. :-)"" Lunadyne says, "One
thing I do want is consistent menuage between pages. The base menus should
show on every page without additions or subtractions." Strangelv-3 says,
"Pretty much. I'm thinking that some pages would function as separate
menus, but I've not had time to look into how to implement that" Rose/Miros
says, "yep, that's the way drupal naturally works unless you put much
effort into hotwiringit" PhilipC says, "The only remaining question is when
do we formally change the site over to this new design?" Strangelv-3 says,
"I have teh online version of MMM #1 up, but I don't know how to link it to
the MMM page" Rose/Miros says, "james, don't waste your productive days on
menus" bnault says, "this might have been noted before, but I would prefer
that the links in the right-hand column open in a new tab." PhilipC says,
"We do need to wrap up this item of business and moveon " Scottyg-1 says,
"For really old browsers css driven pop-outs don't work. You have to link
to a next-level menu page." Lunadyne says, "the original roll-out date was
06/30/2013. We'd like to have it ready for ISDC, but I don't want to launch
a half-finished website." Rose/Miros says, "we could be evil and force old
browser people to use jscript" PhilipC says, "as far as I'm concerned, old
browser people should be relegated to 2nd class citizenship" Strangelv-3
says, "We have two, and will hawve three themes for such browsers. I don't
want to attempt to get javascript to work on any pre-ECMA compliant
implementations. And I have three themes that should be accessed ONLY by
such browsers" Strangelv-3 says, "They get dropped into the appropriate
oubilette. They should get a functional site, just not one that's as
pretty" Lunadyne says, "How much javascript do we have in the new site?"
Strangelv-3 says, "AFAIK, none that we're actualyl using" PhilipC says, "i
can see giving support to the previous version browser due to those who are
lagging behind to avoid bugs, but not for those who are technological
laggards who really shouldn't be using a computer in the first place"
Strangelv-3 says, "Ther's some stuff Drupal ads that I've been wonting to
rip out completely; does that count?" Lunadyne says, "Good, java is always
crashing on me." Rose/Miros says, "over my dead body" Rose/Miros pokes at
Strangelv-3. PhilipC says, "Is there anything else that needs to be said
about the website? we need to move on" Strangelv-3 says, "Think of another
Peter Kokh, only his computer wasn't stolen and so he's still crunning what
Peter would be" Chard says, "java and JavaScript is really two different
animals" Scottyg-1 says, "Philip, in our environment I agree with you. But
in poor economies, people may have to make-do with obsolete stuff."
Strangelv-3 says, "Is theer any point in having sccripting we're not using
at all?" Chard says, "nope" Strangelv-3 says, "That's something I should
have thought of but didn't" Strangelv-3 says, "They're looking at our site
from a Kiosk in the middle of nowhere in India" Rose/Miros says, "i doubt
they have $35 to spare" Rose/Miros says, "although i'm sure it would be
informative" Strangelv-3 says, "Not all of our contributing members are
dues paid" PhilipC says, "i disagree. india is leapfrogging our old
technologies via mobile browsers" Strangelv-3 says, "For ypears I litearlly
couldn't" Chard says, "11 min left " Rose/Miros says, "ok, next topic"
PhilipC says, "if there's nothing else on this topic of a pressing nature
that requires a decision. i need to cut of any further discussion here"
PhilipC says, "moving on" PhilipC says, "Ken you have the floor" Rose/Miros
says, "please come to the commons and bug james if you have problems"
dcarson says, "or just for fun :-)" Strangelv-3 needs to know what the
problems are Strangelv-3 looks at Ken Lunadyne says, "Okay." Lunadyne says,
"First - Moonbase Challenger." Lunadyne says, "This is a book published by
the Challenger Centers for juveniles and set on our Moon." Lunadyne says,
"There's a review in this month's MMM." Lunadyne says, "We have an offer
from the Challenger Centers to pick up the last 3 dozen or so books for
half price." Lunadyne says, "I've been trying to think of something we
could use them for, but don't have any good ideas." Lunadyne says, "Is this
of interest to TMS?" Lunadyne says, "Oh, it would be about $180 for all of
them." Lunadyne says, "My main issue with the story is that it involves
aliens." Strangelv-3 doesn't know where his copy of MMM is hiding so he
could grab the review, but if it's positive enough, $180 is definitely
witnhin impules buy range Lunadyne says, "It'" Lunadyne says, "It's a meh
review" Strangelv-3 hmms. Rose/Miros says, "put a book plate in the front
and donate to a reading program for military offspring?" Lunadyne says,
"Oh, the latest MMM hasn't been distributed yet, if I'm not mistaken."
Lunadyne says, "Good idea, Rose." Strangelv-3 needs to do a less terlrible
job ogf keeping track of magazines Lunadyne says, "The idea of the book is
to inspire kids into STEM fields. I'm not sure it achieves that." Lunadyne
says, "But it might be a way to get in good with the Challenger Centers."
Strangelv-3 says, "Could you briefly describe the Challenger Centers?"
Rose/Miros attempts to figure out an excuse to go to the local Challenger
Center Lunadyne says, "They were established after the Challenger disaster
by June Rogers Scobee to encourage kids to pursue technical fields."
dcarson says, "http://www.challenger.org/learning-center-network/list-view/"
Strangelv-3 . o O ( Move to delegate the decision to the president and
authorize the expenditure if he decides to act on it? ) Rose/Miros . o O (
field trip ) Lunadyne says, "they had some great educational materials back
in 2000 or so. They kind of drifted the last few years, and are under new
leadership." Lunadyne says, "I know the one in Houston runs mission
simulations for school kids." dcarson says, "Our Mission" dcarson says,
"Engage students and teachers in dynamic, hands-on exploration and
discovery opportunities that strengthen knowledge in science, technology,
engineering, and mathematics (STEM), inspire students to pursue careers in
these fields, and provide an outlet to learn and apply important life
skills." Lunadyne says, "Sounds like PR jargon." Rose/Miros says, "the one
in allegany is far smaller, i'm sure" Strangelv-3 clocks on the one for
HOusotn and gets a large white rectangle Lunadyne says, "We don't need to
decide tonite, I just wanted to throw that out there." dcarson says, "
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/we-are-the-explorers-a-movie-trailer-for-our-space-program"
Strangelv-3 says, "For $180 we could probably trust one person to make the
call" dcarson says, "4 hours to go on that project of theirs" Lunadyne
says, "Second - had a long talk with a CBS reporter this afternoon, a
referral by Chris Carson. I guess they saw Lunarcy and asked about Dennis
Hope." Strangelv-3 says, "Evaluate the new leadership instead of the book?"
Lunadyne says, "I gave her a massive info dump, trying to convey that we
are knowledgeable about the topic of Lunar development." Lunadyne says,
"What JAmes?" Strangelv-3 says, "Previous topic. Please continue on the
present one" Lunadyne says, "They said they are still developing the story.
I'll update everyone as I find out more." Lunadyne says, "Third is Moon
Day." Lunadyne says, "I'm asking all of the exhibitors this year to align
their activities with Scouting badge requirements." Lunadyne says, "I'm
still trying to figure out what we can do with the power beaming demo."
Strangelv-3 has yet to make it to one of those. What condition is the demo
in? It's gotten attention before without even being plugged in Lunadyne
says, "Scotty did some repair work, but the wings are looking a bit rough."
Lunadyne says, "The real question is how can we use it in an activity
that's interactive?" Rose/Miros says, "sounds a little too fragile"
Strangelv-3 says, "I'm not sure. I'm not even really sure why it was as
popular as it was during its debut" Lunadyne says, "Again, not a decision
for this evening, but something to think about." Strangelv-3 says, "And by
all reports I've heard it's fragile. " Strangelv-3 says, "Who did the
exterior design? I can't remember" Strangelv-3 says, "Any chance of sending
him photographs and gettinga revision?" Lunadyne says, "Scotty would be
better able to speak as to its reception at last year's event, but it
looked like it was getting attention." Strangelv-3 says, "or have we flat
out exceeded the design parameters many times overL?" Strangelv-3 says,
"Looks like it was getting attention sounds like it's not as appealing as
it was originally" Lunadyne says, "According to Peter all the instructions
and stuff at at the website. Haven't gone looking for them." PhilipC says,
"If we have time, I'd like to discuss one more thing before we go" dcarson
says, "I can stay" Strangelv-3 says, "The kit is one of the links in our
spotlight" Lunadyne says, "James, I run the whole event, so I can only pop
in to the booth from time to time (mainly for a breather)." Lunadyne says,
"What's up, Philip?" Lunadyne says, "Oh, and everyone, we are short of
Board nominees for the next election." PhilipC says, "Lately I've been
mulling over the possibility of a strategic alliance" PhilipC says,
"However I think we probably need to explore other alliances to avoid being
partisan" PhilipC says, "This is but the first among many" Chard says, "I
may not be a good candidate.. as I may be working OCONUS in the next year"
Strangelv-3 says, "Outside of CONUS?" Chard says, "in austere environments"
Lunadyne says, "Strategic alliance with qui?" Rose/Miros says, "comment:
mars society (?) had a nice interview on talk of the nation (i think) last
friday" pjbanyai says, "Would that be Strategic Help In Exploration of
Lunar Development or S.H.I.E.L.D. ;-) " PhilipC says, "Specifically, it has
to do with the unique way that lunar and space development can offer
solutions to climate change should the environmental movement fail "
PhilipC says, "and it is failing miserably" PhilipC says, "by selling
ourselves as a backstop to their entire movement, we can use them as
leverage in giving us support" Strangelv-3 says, "There are topics I need
to stay away from and belive we probably need to stay away from. What's
happning to our environment is at the top of that list. I actualyl have a
worry, but CO2 is not it. Not a woryr at all." Lunadyne says, "Sounds a bit
risky." Strangelv-3 says, "Broader that weathe,r several worries"
Rose/Miros says, "lots of nasty dirty mining and manufacturing should be
done outside the atmosphere" dcarson says, "here is a cleaner way to live
the lifestyle you want is an easier sell then don't live the lifestyle you
want" Lunadyne says, "Agreed, that was one of the things I noted to the
reporter, referring her to the coppermine collapse in Utah recently."
Strangelv-3 says, "Space based power could reduce our reliance on coal.
Forget about the CO2 -- it's all the other crap that coal puts out or
causes during mining" Strangelv-3 says, "CO2 is a distracting red herring
from our real environmental crises" Strangelv-3 says, "Complication is
mining teeds concentrations, and those are a lot easier to find on EArth
than elsewhere" Rose/Miros says, "olean has more than its share of
superfund sites, they're still working on the brownfields trying to get
them clean enough that anyone is willing to buy them or rent and build on
them" PhilipC says, "The environmental movement is worried chiefly about
climate change melting subarctic permafrost, and in so doing releasing
methane which will be far worse than CO2. I'd like to sell the possibility
of using geoengineering to dampen the rate at which permafrost is melting,
and should permafrost release too much methane, we can build solar filters
in L1" Rose/Miros says, "one of them was a chrome plating company... at the
time, state of the art was to drill a hole in the ground and dump the waste
in" Strangelv-3 says, "I'm opposed to geoengineering as it is presently
practiced" Rose/Miros says, "guess what it did to the groundwater"
Strangelv-3 says, "In fact, you don't want to get me started on the topic.
Especially not with the recorder running" PhilipC says, "now whether or not
we believe climate change to be real, the important thing in our book
should be that we can offer solutions that should be supported" Lunadyne
says, "I do think we should push off-Earth resources as a cleaner
alternative to the nasty stuff we do now, but I'm not sure a strategic
alliance is in order. We should definitely be talking with them, though,."
PhilipC says, "frankly, i don't care where the support comes from so long
as we can control our own agenda" Strangelv-3 says, "Sukepticism and
incredulity are increasing on the CO2 thing. That bandwagon is in danger of
collapsing. I'd stay away from it to the extent we can get away from it."
Rose/Miros says, "the bandwagon might be collapsing, but i don't doubt that
the oceans are warmer and fueling bigger hurricanes every year" Rose/Miros
says, "last year, a hurricane hit a city that's somewhere between 2nd and
8th largest in the worldd" Strangelv-3 says, "Antactica's ice sheets are
getting bigger at the peok of a Solar cycle which should be wormer than
normal" Strangelv-3 says, "I'm actually far more concerned about coling"
pjbanyai says, "The Discovery Channels Project Earth [
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Earth_(TV_series)] included many
advanced environmental solutions like a Space Sunshield and even Orbital
Power Plants beaming power back to Earth." Lunadyne says, "Agreed, we don't
want to be tarred by association." Rose/Miros says, "are they back to the
point where people started worrying about the ice sheet falling appart?"
Rose/Miros says, "whasshisname's cabin was no longer a walk from the
mainland" PhilipC says, "Look, we're not climate scientists here. We're not
going to resolve the debate in the time we have left. The main question in
my book is should we sell ourselves as being able to offer solutions to the
concerns of other social movements, regardless of how controversial they
are, if we are in fact able to offer such solutions?" Strangelv-3 says,
"I'd ovoid controversies we're divided about" Strangelv-3 says, "and this
is one we're split right down the middrle last time someone tried to
measure it" Rose/Miros says, "thing is, the moon is at the bottom of a
gravity well, not as big as earth's, but you still have to boost"
Strangelv-3 says, "Pollution, dangerous working conditions, and the like
would be far less controversial" dcarson says, "the capital launch options
(elevator, linear launcher) are doable unlike Earth but are still a capital
cost up front" PhilipC says, "But focusing on beamed energy presents other
problems, such as getting support from UNSC veto wielding members who
export energy like the usa and russia" PhilipC says, "nothing we do will be
without controversy" Rose/Miros says, "ohh, about collaboration through the
website... we have a "book" set up for web-team people" Strangelv-3 is all
for beapmed power sattelites Strangelv-3 says, "We need energy and we need
clean energy" Rose/Miros says, "i'm hoping we'll use it to document each
decision, but we do have a couple pages already" Strangelv-3 says, "There's
really no such thing as too much available power" PhilipC says, "My main
purpose for bringing this up was to gauge how you all feel about it. "
dcarson says, "sounds worth exploring to me" Strangelv-3 says, "There are
angles about this that are not very controversial that we could go for a
hard sell on" Lunadyne says, "I'm not against the idea, but I do think it
is risky and could affect our reputation and perception." Rose/Miros says,
"i think we need to find something we actually agree on, like dirty
industry" PhilipC says, "perhaps, but when you check the google ngram
viewer on different terms, you can find out what concerns the public and
what doesn't. space development has remained flat while other areas are
growing at a constant rate" Rose/Miros says, "and james, i will agree on
global cooling when you can walk from whassisname's cabin to the mainland
of antarctica" PhilipC says, "I'll leave it up to everyone here to look for
themselves some of the key terms of the various social movements. just make
sure that when you add "space" that you also include something like space
shuttle or a word that isn't too obscure" Chard says, "I'm going to have to
get some shut eye soon" PhilipC says, "we're over time" Strangelv-3 says,
"How much more driving do you need to do?" Strangelv-3 would move to
adjourn but lacks standing to do so Rose/Miros raises Strangelv-3 PhilipC
says, "Thank you all for indulging me with the time to bring up this topic.
" PhilipC says, "That is all I have to say for now." Strangelv-3 looks at
the time. 22:31 CDT PhilipC says, "Move to adjourn" bnault says, "second"
PhilipC says, "so moved" PhilipC says, "we are now adjourned" PhilipC says,
"Again thank you all for coming" Strangelv-3 says, "Is there objection to
adjourningat this time?" Strangelv-3 hears none Rose/Miros leaves. Chard
says, "have a good night" PhilipC says, "And a special thank you to the web
team" PhilipC says, "Good night" bnault says, "G'night!" bnault has
disconnected. Chard has disconnected. 
PhilipC says, "shoot" PhilipC says,
"i needed to talk to them very quickly"
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