-- Start log: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 9:23:56 pm ASI Meeting Server time --
PhilipC says, "Thank you. I want to welcome everyone to the 2013-06-05
Management Committee Meeting." PhilipC says, "For the purpose of a roll
call, I would like to ask all who are present to please state your name and
position." PhilipC says, "Philip Crume, Chairman" dcarson says, "Dana
Carson, Treasurer" Lunadyne says, "Ken Murphy, president" Rose/Miros says,
"Rosalie Dieteman, webmaster and director" AlanSteinberg says, "Alan
Steinberg, Director" bnault says, "Ben Nault, director" pjbanyai says,
"Paul Banyai, Vice President" Strangelv-3 says, "James Gholston, secretary"
PhilipC says, "Let the record show that we have quorum for this meeting. "
PhilipC says, "Jason Tuttle is currently not present but may join us
later." Strangelv-3 says, "He's stuck in the commons" PhilipC says, "James,
do you have the minutes from the last meeting?" Strangelv-3 says, "I
emailed them last week" PhilipC says, "Does anyone have any objection to
those minutes?" Strangelv-3 says, "I could probably find tehm quickly. I
might email them again if needed" Strangelv-3 says, "Sent again. As I sent
an email to the list eacriler today, it hopefulyl won't get tied up "
PhilipC says, "As did I " dcarson says, "I added Chard2 to the access list,
he can come in now" PhilipC says, "Has everyone had an opportunity to
peruse the minutes?" Chard2 [Guest] arrives. Chard2 [Guest] says, "Thanks"
AlanSteinberg says, "yup" PhilipC says, "Jason can you please state your
name and position for the record so that we can show that you are present"
Lunadyne says, "Yes, no objections to minutes." Strangelv-3 guesses the
meeting was called to order at roughly 20:20 CDT PhilipC says, "If there is
no objection, I'd like make a motion that we approve the minutes. Can I
have a second?" Chard2 [Guest] says, "Jason Tuttle - Director"
AlanSteinberg says, "second" PhilipC says, "Thank you." Strangelv-3 wonders
if anyone wants to call the question or move to ammend PhilipC says, "Can I
have a vote on the approval of the minutes. " PhilipC says, "All in favor
say aye opposed nay." dcarson says, "aye" Rose/Miros says, "aye"
Strangelv-3 says, "aye" Chard2 [Guest] says, "aye" pjbanyai says, "sye"
Lunadyne says, "Aye aye...aye." PhilipC says, "Thank you." AlanSteinberg
says, ""aye"" Strangelv-3 begins to wonder if he's possibly NOT the
sleepiest person here PhilipC says, "Let the record show the minutes of the
May 15 meeting has been approved" PhilipC says, "I'd like to open the floor
for just a minute to invite agenda items. Please refrain from discussion at
this time or in giving reports" Rose/Miros says, "Make Peter an
"emeritus."" Rose/Miros says, "Pay for badly needed security certificate so
we can move the secure site." Rose/Miros says, "Front page static text
ideas." Strangelv-3 says, "I have a web team report, but it needs some
additional content from Ken, who may be giving it as part of a report on
ISDC" PhilipC says, "So far we will have:" PhilipC says, "Reports
(membership, treasury, web team)" Strangelv-3 looks at Ken PhilipC says,
"ISDC Report" Strangelv-3 looks at Philip PhilipC says, "A request for
Peter" PhilipC says, "And a web team report" PhilipC says, "I would also
like to make a request for the communications committee for submitting an
article to NRC" Strangelv-3 so moves teh agenda as Philip has outlined
PhilipC says, "Let's move the item for Peter to the end so that the web
team report and request can be more seamless" PhilipC says, "Does this
sound like a reasonable agenda for everyone?" Strangelv-3 looks for a
second Lunadyne says, "Ken looks at James." Lunadyne says, "Second"
Strangelv-3 says, "Call the question?" PhilipC says, "Hearing no objection,
let's move forward" PhilipC says, "Note- agendas don't require votes"
PhilipC says, "Alright, Ken you have the floor for the membership report"
Lunadyne says, "Can someone else pull the number? I don't have my handy
bookmark on this computer." Strangelv-3 doesn't have the number and has
been looking forward to hearing it Strangelv-3 looks around at random
pjbanyai says, "163 same as before we have 3 members expireing soon."
Strangelv-3 hmms. Lunadyne says, "Not having membership brochures at ISDC
didn't help." Strangelv-3 says, "uh oh" Lunadyne says, "Web connectivity
was poor in the exhibit hall." Lunadyne says, "When we get a communications
committee, one of the first things I'd like to see are some new brochures,
postcards and stickers." bnault says, "having computer issues, need to
change computers, back in a few" bnault has disconnected. pjbanyai says,
"We have 4 more members expire a week after those 3." PhilipC says, "We set
up a communications committee at the last meeting. I presume that since I
was the one who proposed it, I would be leading it. But that designation
was not made explicit. I can put together a few quick pamphlets to pass out
but I would consider them an intermediate step to more permanent materials
down the pipeline" pjbanyai says, "James Rogers one of our previous leaders
expired May 23, 2013." Lunadyne says, "I need to follow up with the ISDC
speakers to get their info for their complimentary one-year membership."
PhilipC says, "Ken, can you please send me an email afterwards so that we
can hash it out?" Lunadyne says, "Hash what out?" bnault has connected.
PhilipC says, "Membership brochures, post cards, etc." pjbanyai says,
"James Rogers is listed as the Outreach Committee leader." Lunadyne says,
"Sure. But I was going to head back to the apt. unit after this, where I
have no connectivity." PhilipC says, "Anything dealing that previously
dealt with communications should be subsumed into the new committee"
Lunadyne says, "It's embarrasing to admit, but that name is new to me."
Rose/Miros says, "you can also online collaborate at
http://test.moonsociety.org/leaders-area" PhilipC says, "I know him pretty
well" Strangelv-3 says, "You might have met James Rogers at ISDC 2007"
Strangelv-3 says, "HE was highly active until he enlisted" Lunadyne says,
"Oh, yeah, like I'll remember any new faces from that conference." PhilipC
says, "Ken, whenever you can, please send me an email and then we can work
out the details. We need to move on." dcarson says, "he is on facebook"
Lunadyne says, "Agreed. Any further questions on membership?" Lunadyne
says, "Seeing none, I cede the floor." PhilipC says, "Dana, you have the
floor" dcarson says, "OK" dcarson says, "James has been reimbursed" dcarson
says, "several CPAs have told me they don't do what we want" Lunadyne says,
"An audit of books, or an audit of 501c3 books?" dcarson says, "I have more
time with BAlticon and relatives visit past and will spend more of it on
this week and next week" dcarson says, "audit of 501c3 I think" Lunadyne
says, "Have we covered Chris for the shipping of the exhibit?" dcarson
says, "thats it basically" dcarson says, "not yet" Lunadyne says, "That's
okay, I haven't seen it, although it might have gone straight to FoF."
PhilipC says, "So less $200, still around $31k? Next time, could you post a
more detailed breakdown on any earmarked funds? It would be helpful to know
how much we have to work with" dcarson says, "sure, although I need to talk
to LRS about MMM back cost" dcarson says, "any questions?" PhilipC says,
"Thanks. Do we owe LRS money?" dcarson says, "for printing and mailing MMM,
I got out of sync and their treasurer is/was supposed to contact me about
getting it straight and hasn't" dcarson says, "so now it is quite out of
step" Scottyg has arrived. PhilipC says, "Okay, thanks for giving us a
heads up on that" dcarson says, "will email him a reminder" PhilipC says,
"That's all from me. " Scottyg says, "Sorry I'm late. Have grandkids
visiting that kept me away." dcarson says, "I think Peter talked about that
a while ago" PhilipC says, "Does anyone else have any questions for Dana?"
PhilipC says, "Welcome Scotty" Lunadyne says, "My question is who is
supposed to determine the amount owed? Should wqe pressure LRS to give us a
(supportable) figure to get it over with?" Rose/Miros says, "i suspect that
dana and their treasurer will get it hashed out quickly, assuming he ever
actually talks to dana" dcarson says, "well the monthly records let us
figure that so it is a matter of doing it, I'll remind him" dcarson says,
"I should have bugged them more but we owe them so I figured it would be
more urgent to them" Scottyg-1 has arrived. dcarson says, "and forgot to
remind him" Lunadyne says, "Do you have a ballpark SWAG guess as to what
the amount might be?" dcarson says, "3K or so" Strangelv-3 says, "That's
not a small amount of accounts recievable to be ignoring..." Lunadyne says,
"Should we offer them $2500 cash on the barrelhead to make this whole thing
go away?" dcarson says, "no which is why I figured I'd here from them"
dcarson says, "let me try to get the exact number, they are doing all the
MMM work for us" PhilipC says, "Perhaps next time you can tell us the
results of any communications you have with them." dcarson says, "will do"
PhilipC says, "We need to move this along." PhilipC says, "I would like to
now turn the floor over to Rose for the Web Team Report" Strangelv-3 holds
up a sheet of paper and looks at Rose Rose/Miros says, "well, james will do
the first part, he's kind of the unofficial web team secretary too"
Strangelv-3 says, "Standby for flood" PhilipC says, "Sorry, just a
formality" Strangelv-3 says, "About a week before ISDC, we decided we had
our themes in as good a shape as we were going to get them before ISDC and
started desperately throwing content at it, then ran into a new crisis: we
couldn't get our security certificate upgraded. This threatened to prevent
getting the new site up and running before ISDC, but fortunately we were
able to work out a temporary solution." Strangelv-3 says, "We were able to
get the site up and running with an acceptable home page and an acceptable
amount of content in time for day two of ISDC. We will need to let Ken
describe the reception he found for it there, as we weren't there to see
it." Strangelv-3 says, "We set up a 301 redirect on the home page of the
old website. when we went live that was the only page that changed on the
old site. We also gave test.moonsociety.org a new subdomain that runs
parallel to its original one: www2.moonsociety.org. All links referencing
the old site continue to work for now and there is no link rot caused by
the migration. At least not yet." Strangelv-3 says, "Shortly after ISDC
XISP went down again for several hours, and demonstrated that our temporary
setup is still vulnerable to XISP going down. First the redirect breaks, so
people visiting www.moonsociety.org can't get to the site, then www2 seemed
to be getting propagation issues -- it went down for Mike in Ireland hours
before it went down for me in Texas. The exact mechanism for this escapes
me, especially since it went back up for both of us pretty much instantly
when XISP came back online." Strangelv-3 says, "We need to make additional
changes. We need a new security certificate to run the secure site under a
subdomain on GreenGeeks. We need to give the legacy site its own subdomain
and phase out the test and www2 subdomains, and we need to work out how to
redirect all legacy pages to equivalent parts of the new site (or even to
the corresponding location on the repositioned old site) before we move the
legacy site to its new location." Strangelv-3 says, "All blog entries have
been ported over as articles/announcements to the new site. We need to find
more locations of such announcements so that they can be ported over as
well." Strangelv-3 says, "Placement of a static section on the home page is
at work stoppage until someone can learn enough about the Views module to
pull it off." Strangelv-3 says, "We're presently working on getting the
non-content aspects of moon.lunarpedia.org to be close enough to test/
www2.moonsociety.org so that work can resume on improving the Coriolis
template set. Objectives include wider buttons and more than just one
typeface. The plan is to work out a set of improvements and then find a
good time to make the improvement or change to the site, preferably in a
way that heightens the visibility that our site has changed again and that
it's no longer confusable for dead." Strangelv-3 says, "As we presently
have a straight up blog style main page, it is important to have a steady
stream of new announcements. I would try to have a minimum of one a week."
Strangelv-3 hands the sheet to Rose Rose/Miros says, "and we need some
ideas for the static text for thehome page" Lunadyne says, "The homepage is
starting to look busy." Rose/Miros says, "well, i had the bright idea to
put my candidate statement up" Strangelv-3 says, "I'm not sure that we
should say static since I want as little as possible to be static. I worry
about re-creating our 2003 home page of doom" Rose/Miros says, "but thank
you to the contributors who gave us new content for isdc" Rose/Miros says,
"lol, don't worry, i won't let that happen" Rose/Miros says, "we do intend
to put the other candidates statements up, but ghostview refused to open
the new issue of mmm which contains them" Rose/Miros says, "have those of
you with accounts visited test.moonsociety.org/leaders-area?" Strangelv-3
recommends KPDF Rose/Miros says, "now you tell me" Chard2 [Guest] says, "i
have" Chard2 [Guest] says, "there's a tracker link... looks like you should
be able to see who has went where and when?" Rose/Miros says, "well, the
people without accounts shouldn't be able to get in, i'd like people to
take a look at least, even if they don't make a page for their discussion
items, like "what should our new pamphlet look like?"" Scottyg says, "Re:
Home page. My opinion is that the home page SHOULD be largely static.
(Although I don't object to an "Announcements" or "News" or whatever you
want to call it." Rose/Miros grins at Philip and Ken AlanSteinberg says,
"so I find that the page loads really slow... anyone else have this issue?"
Scottyg says, "Its where we sold tell people who we are and what we do."
Strangelv-3 says, "In detail, that's what our abount page is for"
Strangelv-3 says, "We may represent the poles on this" Rose/Miros says,
"the short version on the front, not the giant version that's currently in
About or History" Scottyg says, "Yes, Its one reason I asked for this to be
discussed at tonight's meeting." PhilipC says, "The front page should give
people the latest news" PhilipC says, "It should be where we toot our own
horn and if possible show people how they can get involved" Rose/Miros
says, "it currently gives the text of the newest item and the titles and
links to the newest 5" Strangelv-3 says, "The dynamic graphic would be good
to re-create. The probelm is I still don't understand Views well enoughto
implement it. Obviousyl if someone else can figure it out first that would
help" Chard2 [Guest] says, "If you have updated fresh content on the home
page... it will have a higher quality index on searching engines - better
rankings etc" Rose/Miros says, "we're trying to figure out what the text
for the tooting and getting involved should be" Rose/Miros says, "so mr
chard, wanna write some undying prose?" Strangelv-3 is also not happy with
the legarl notice at the bottom of every page Rose/Miros grins at Chard2
Strangelv-3 tinkered on it but failed miserabyl at getting any significent
feedback or suggestions Rose/Miros says, "that's a nit, document it on the
nit page" Strangelv-3 says, "What's the URL for nte nit page again?"
Rose/Miros says, "ok, we have a page to post nits on, all leaders can see
it too right now" Strangelv-3 mostly remembers potentially obsolete
checklist pages Rose/Miros says, "http://test.moonsociety.org/node/87 post
nits there" Rose/Miros says, "there's a comment thingie at the bottom, just
like a blog" Rose/Miros says, "what do you mean by dynamic graphic? the
moon phase pic?" Strangelv-3 is neither Alan nor Rose and doesn't see a
place for other people to put things there. Any chance of editing it to
make the nits unattributed and easier to edit or subnit? Rose/Miros says,
"just use the comment thingie for now" Rose/Miros says, "or you can edit
it, you should have access" Strangelv-3 says, "The random archive graphic
and link. It had a larger repository than the spotlights" Rose/Miros says,
"ahh" Rose/Miros says, "can we merge it into spotlights?" Strangelv-3 says,
"Should I take that to mean you wouldn't commplain if I strippde tout the
attributions?" Strangelv-3 says, "Potenitally, but the spotlight shows up
everywhere" Rose/Miros says, "whatever floats your boat, and i'm not being
passive agressive" Strangelv-3 says, "Also, we need more than just two
spotlight items that are 'easy'" Strangelv-3 says, "We have MMM #1 and
Ken's blog -- and nothing else" Rose/Miros says, "ok, add a place to add
spotlight ideas" Strangelv-3 says, "'It's always one of those two. We need
more" Rose/Miros says, "on that page or on a child page, that's what child
pages are for" Lunadyne says, "I want coloring pages for the kids."
Rose/Miros says, "lol, didn't mean that kind of child page, but that's a
good idea" Rose/Miros says, "original work or patched together clipart?"
Strangelv-3 says, "If they're up and have a link that would defitnitely
qualify as easy..." Lunadyne says, "Definitely not copyrighted stuff. But
teachers do look for them." Rose/Miros says, "ok, add coloring pages to the
nits page" Strangelv-3 says, "REquested new content?" Rose/Miros says,
"might be a low hanging fruit" Rose/Miros says, "ok, works for me" dcarson
says, "http://spaceplace.nasa.gov/coloring-book/" PhilipC says, "Let's end
discussion on this topic in 5 minutes. We do have other items on the agenda
we need to get through." Rose/Miros says, "ok, making peter an emeritus"
Strangelv-3 says, "We meandered from report to heavy discussion again
didn't we" Rose/Miros says, "yep" AlanSteinberg says, "yup" Strangelv-3
says, "Move to postpone" PhilipC says, "Postpone what? This discussion?"
Strangelv-3 says, "Yes" PhilipC says, "We can just table any further
discussion and those who want to continue can pick it up after the
meeting." Rose/Miros says, "out of respect for his past service in various
positions, i'd like to suggest we make him a director emeritus like scotty"
Strangelv-3 says, "Akin to table but without needinga vote to take it off
of the table. Just postpone furlther discussion until the end of the rest
of teh agenda" Strangelv-3 doesn't remember if Peter has ever been a
director. Mostly he was president. This means having moer than one
president emeritus pjbanyai says, "The legal notice at the bottom says
1994-2013. Moonsociety Incorporated was formed in 2000. If we bought the
Lunar Resources Company and finally recombined with ASI the 1994 date would
be valid." PhilipC says, "Let's just end the discussion on web team report
and those who want to continue can do so after the meeting." PhilipC says,
"Moving on to Rose's proposal " Rose/Miros says, "he's done a ton of work
for us, i think he deserves some sort of notice on the leaders page"
Strangelv-3 says, "Move to give Peter Kohk the title of Prisedint Emeritus"
Lunadyne says, "Second" Strangelv-3 says, "Sans typos" Lunadyne says, "Beat
me to it." pjbanyai says, "Greg already holds that title." Rose/Miros says,
"we could have 2, or make greg founder emeritus" Rose/Miros says, "or just
founder" Strangelv-3 says, "I'm not sure what precidents are for changing
someone's emeritus title. I'm just thinking in terms of having two"
Lunadyne says, "Founder emeritus. Haven" Lunadyne says, "t heard from him
in a while." Rose/Miros says, "ok, 2 then" Rose/Miros says, "he's in second
life" Rose/Miros says, "on an island" Rose/Miros says, "in a hammock"
Strangelv-3 says, "But this is the discussion until someone calls the
question" Strangelv-3 looks around for additional opinions dcarson says,
"make him flounder emeritus and see how long till he notices :-)"
Rose/Miros pokes at dcarson. Strangelv-3 sees two views: passing as is and
having two, or changing Greg's title, whilh would probabyl be best done
with an ammendment to the motion or a substitute motion. Chard2 [Guest]
says, "I could go for flounder" Rose/Miros does not recommend making Greg a
flounder Strangelv-3 has already stated which of those two he prefers and
looks around for anyone else's comment Rose/Miros is ok with 2 president
emeritus dcarson says, "if we do it twice that make is a tradition and
we'll do it more" Strangelv-3 says, "We should try to awvoid needlessly
antagonizing Greg" PhilipC says, "How about just plain member emeritus?"
bnault says, "i like philip's compromise wording" Scottyg-1 says, "Greg is
a founder. No emeritus is needed with that." Strangelv-3 tries to figuer
out how to describe how that sounds Strangelv-3 says, "Member emeritus.
Peter was a heck of a lot moer than a member." Strangelv-3 says, "And still
is" dcarson says, "make me feel guilty about how much I do" Strangelv-3
says, "He's the one woh put us back on track after ASI and TLRC became
incapacitated" Rose/Miros says, "actually, director emeritus works, because
he was the publications director too" PhilipC says, "Trying to remember if
we have a board of advisers" dcarson says, "we do" bnault says, "it is the
emeritus bit that counts more than member" Rose/Miros says, "officer
emeritus?" Scottyg-1 says, "W could change Greg to founder and President
Emeritus and make Peter President Emeritus." Chard2 [Guest] says, "I think
you should go with flounder founder whatever for Greg and Make Peter
President Emeritus" dcarson says, "and yeah if he isn't in any other
position we want hem as an advisor" Strangelv-3 will vote against teh
motion if it's ammended to say member emeritus. It still sounds like a
potential slap to theface to him Rose/Miros doesn't like member emeritus
either AlanSteinberg says, "why can't Greg's title just be founder?"
Scottyg-1 says, "Same for me FWIW." PhilipC says, "I was just throwing it
out there" pjbanyai says, "The Board of Advisors have no mailing list or
forum and most members have probably forgot they were members ;-(" dcarson
says, "Greg, founder and pres emer, peter pres emer" Strangelv-3 says,
"Because we decided in 2007 or 2008 to make him president emeritus as a
consolation for things I'd rather not say while the recorder is running"
Rose/Miros likes dana's version Lunadyne says, "I was cautioned to treat
the Board of Advisers with kid gloves." PhilipC says, "President Emeritus
works for me. I see no reason why we can't have more than one." Rose/Miros
says, "well, in the course of human events, i'll make them an area on the
website and invite them to play" Strangelv-3 says, "Dana's idea could work.
That makes them slightly different." PhilipC says, "What is the sentiment
of this management committee?" PhilipC says, "Should we proceed with
president emeritus? All emeritus means is Latin for "having served one's
time"" Strangelv-3 likes Dana's idea Strangelv-3 says, "I also like my
original motion." AlanSteinberg says, "i'm fine with either" Strangelv-3
says, "Is theer a motion to ammend or subtitute?" Rose/Miros says, "motion
to substitute "Peter, Pres Emeritus and Greg, Founder and Pres Emeritus"
for the original motion" PhilipC says, "Please give us a motion we can vote
on." Rose/Miros says, "sorry, i'm new to this" Strangelv-3 says, "I believe
that would be a motion to ammend" PhilipC says, "I make a motion to... "
Scottyg-1 says, "From Webster: Definition of Emeritus: Holding after
retirement an honorary title corresponding to that held last during active
service " Scottyg-1 says, "Nothing in that prohibits having two or more."
Rose/Miros says, "and peter was much more than a member" PhilipC says,
"Close enough" PhilipC smiles. Strangelv-3 says, "...move to ammend teh
motion to give Peter Kokh the title of President Emeritus and to change
Greg's honorary title to Founder and President Emeritus?" Strangelv-3 is
suggesting, not making the motion Strangelv-3 looks at Rose Rose/Miros
says, "so moved" Strangelv-3 looks for a second Rose/Miros pokes at
dcarson. PhilipC says, "I was just trying to avoid mental gymnastics that
conferred too great a sense of pretentiousness, which I get the feeling
that Peter wouldn't like (well maybe in secret)" PhilipC says, "Any way"
bnault says, "second" dcarson says, "second" PhilipC says, "Is there a
second ?" PhilipC says, "Thank you, Ben has seconded the motion." PhilipC
says, "Call the question." PhilipC says, "All in favor of said motion,
please affirm by saying aye. All opposed by nay. Or state that you
abstain." dcarson says, "aye" PhilipC says, "Aye" AlanSteinberg says, "aye"
Chard2 [Guest] says, "nay" Rose/Miros says, "aye" bnault says, "aye"
Strangelv-3 says, "aye" pjbanyai says, "The leaders team page has Greg as
President Emeritus, Icon." Strangelv-3 says, "NOte that this is to vote on
the ammendmen,t which becomes the main motion" Strangelv-3 says, "We now
need to vote on the main motion, and I call the question" PhilipC says,
"Again, all in favor or opposed, please state as such." PhilipC says, "Aye"
Rose/Miros says, "aye" Strangelv-3 says, "Aye" Chard2 [Guest] says, "aye"
bnault says, "aye" pjbanyai says, "aye" dcarson says, "aye" Lunadyne says,
"Aye" PhilipC says, "The ayes have it. The motion is carried." PhilipC
says, "On to the next agenda item. Rose, did you want to say something
about the security certificate or did you cover that already?" Strangelv-3
says, "Scotty is the person best qualified to speak on this" PhilipC says,
"Scotty?" Strangelv-3 looks at Scotty Scottyg-1 says, "Ok." PhilipC says,
"We don't have much time left, please keep it brief, and ideally give us
something actionable" Scottyg-1 says, "Our current security certificate is
only valid for www.moonsociety.org." Strangelv-3 says, "How much do we need
to budget for the new certificate?" Scottyg-1 says, "www.moonsociety.org is
a specifice server, and only if both the secure and non-secure servers are
on the same machine can they both be www.moonsociety.org." pjbanyai says,
"I believe a wildcard certificate covers all subdomains of a domain."
PhilipC says, "I think we're all of mind that having a secure server is
desirable. What needs to be done, who needs authority to do it, and is
there a cost involved?" Scottyg-1 says, "For flexibility and to ease system
management, it would be better to have the secure server on a different
server, like secure.moonsociety.org. But that will require a new SSL
certificate." dcarson says, "I believe they will reissue it for the move,
so we need to decide how we want the secure domain done so we don't have to
keep asking" Scottyg-1 says, "So we are requesting funds approval for that
purpose." PhilipC says, "How much?" Strangelv-3 says, "If variable, what's
the hypothetical maximum?" Scottyg-1 says, "Dana, do you have the cost? My
memory is about $100." dcarson says, "sounds right" PhilipC says, "Why
don't we budget $200? If it's less than that great. If more, then you can
come back to us at the next meeting to request an increase." AlanSteinberg
says, "Didn't we move to allocate some blanket amount of money for web
stuff many meetings ago?" PhilipC says, "That was for web hosting"
Rose/Miros says, "the cert is separate" Strangelv-3 says, "If we did,
remembering that could have made a 24 hour period quite a bit less
stressful for me..." AlanSteinberg says, "was there nothing left over in
that pile of allocation?" Strangelv-3 says, "I suspech that allocation
amount has collapsed after the amount became solid" Strangelv-3 says, "I
move that we allocate up to $200 for a new SSL certificate for our secure
server" Rose/Miros says, "second" Strangelv-3 looks for more discussion --
or is it time to call the question PhilipC says, "So moved, in the interest
of time, I think we need to call the question" Strangelv-3 does not object
PhilipC says, "All in favor of this motion, please affirm by saying aye.
Opposed by saying nay." Chard2 [Guest] says, "aye" PhilipC says, "Aye"
bnault says, "aye" Rose/Miros says, "aye" dcarson says, "aye" AlanSteinberg
says, "aye" Strangelv-3 says, "aye" PhilipC says, "The ayes have it. The
motion is carried. Scotty, we will trust that you will find a certificate
at a reasonable price, ideally below this amount. " PhilipC says, "Last
item on the agenda." pjbanyai says, "What company do we currently get our
certificat from? Could another company offer a better certificate than the
one we currently have?" dcarson says, "go daddy" Rose/Miros says, "scotty
always comparison shops" PhilipC says, "We need to end any further
discussion on this topic. " PhilipC says, "Please do so after this meeting
or at another location" PhilipC says, "Last item on the agenda" PhilipC
says, "I have the floor" PhilipC says, "It has recently come to my
attention via Facebook that the NRC has placed a request for open comments
on NASA's Human Space Flight (HSF) program." PhilipC says, "I think it
would be a good idea if we submit a comment on behalf of this
organization." Rose/Miros says, "what's the deadline?" PhilipC says, "As
the communications committee chair, I'd like to put out a feeler with this
body to see if anyone is interested in joining me in crafting a response?"
Strangelv-3 looks at Ken and wonders what Peter's take on this is PhilipC
says, "July 9" Rose/Miros says, "can we discuss this in the leader's area
of the website?" PhilipC says, "I'm thinking of playing e-mail tag with a
few of us here for brainstorming and then edits. " Strangelv-3 says, "I
don't even know if we want to promote or oppose it" PhilipC says, "We will
come back here at the next meeting to share a draft version with the
management committee for final approval" Rose/Miros says, "the whole point
of the collaboration area is so we don't have to email tag" PhilipC says,
"So as far as actionable items go, is this body open to submitting such
comments? And if so, who among us here would be interested in being
involved in this?" Strangelv-3 needs more information dcarson says, "we
definitly should submit a paper" Rose/Miros says, "i think we should be
involved" PhilipC says, "I posted a link to the website in today's call for
agenda items" PhilipC says, "its in your email" Rose/Miros says, "and if
it's in the leaders' area, anyone can read and comment on the pre-draft
versions" dcarson says, "
http://sites.nationalacademies.org/DEPS/ASEB/DEPS_083343" AlanSteinberg
says, "I'm game to be part of this" dcarson says, "saw about it on
boingboing and posted to facebook" Lunadyne says, "I'm on board with
submitting a well-thought out comment from The Mon Society" dcarson says,
"should go on the Moon Scoiety site also I think" Lunadyne says, "Yes, a
call for comments from members." PhilipC says, "agreed" PhilipC says, "We
can have members post comments on their own, but we should send something
on behalf of the MS as a whole" Rose/Miros says, "where should they send
their comments? does that person have an account on test.moonsociety.org,
so we can just post a comment link instead of naked email addy?" Rose/Miros
says, "err contact link?" Lunadyne says, "Can we set up an '
NRCcomments@moonsociety.org'?" PhilipC says, "the link above is for
submitting comments" Rose/Miros says, "no, internal comments, before we
send everything to nasa nicely formatted" PhilipC says, "I'd rather share
the link for the general membership while we submit something on behalf of
the society" PhilipC says, "and there's a 4 page limit" Lunadyne says, "I
agree a single statement should come from TMS, but members should feel they
have input into it." AlanSteinberg says, "I'm with Ken... and based on
prior involvment, very few members will submit anything for us to put into
our thing anyways" PhilipC says, "If we're going to involve the members in
drafting our comments, then we need to have a special town hall meeting to
solicit their advice" PhilipC says, "But I see no reason why we shouldn't
move ahead now. We can incorporate any insights they have as we move along"
Lunadyne says, "Only if it's well advertised - notice in MMM, message on
website, e-mail to members, etc." PhilipC says, "Perhaps next week
sometime? We need to have a draft ready for this body to vote on in 2
weeks" AlanSteinberg says, "No one will come to a town hall... see previous
town halls as example... I think just a place they can send us emailed
input would suffice and give them 1 week to submit input" pjbanyai says,
"We do have a Town Hall Meeting which needs to be Rescheduled."
AlanSteinberg says, "Well in that case, I do like the idea of two birds
with one stone... " dcarson says, "email works better for detailed ideas"
Rose/Miros says, "my email is a spam trap, and i'd like to try out online
collaboration" Chard2 [Guest] says, "if the online collaboration has a way
to mark the thread so that it emails you when a new reply has been made...
would work best" PhilipC says, "We're past time for this meeting. We need
to make a decision soon." Rose/Miros says, "not sure, let me look quick"
Lunadyne says, "Let's announce it as a new project and start a new
collaboration test run." dcarson says, "and we need to submit a paer, this
is too close to our core cares to not" pjbanyai says, "I think the next 2
possible dates for a town meeting should be 6/26 and 7/10. It is a little
to late for holding one next week." dcarson says, "so member input is good
but paper is vital" dcarson says, "7/0 is after submission date" dcarson
says, "7/10 is after submission date" PhilipC says, "As far as projects go,
we need a few leaders here to commit to writing a draft (starting with a
brainstorming sessions), then we need to give members a window of
opportunity for adding their own insights, and finally we need to hammer
out our draft paper for this body to vote on" PhilipC says, "Looking at the
dates, the absolute deadline for us to vote on a draft would be July 3"
Rose/Miros says, "http://test.moonsociety.org/HSF" PhilipC says, "It seems
to me that a plan is coagulating here. " Rose/Miros says, "no, it doesn't
seem to allow for subscription to change notifications" pjbanyai says, "So
is everyon good with 6/26 or should we risk one next week with a lower
posibility of attendence. " dcarson says, "6/26 seems good" PhilipC says,
"Let's advertise for our members to submit any suggestions to us until June
26 or come to the Town Hall Meeting. At the same time, we'll have a
brainstorming session. After that meeting, we'll start to write a draft
proposal, which we'll finally vote on next month." Strangelv-3 says, "Most
things with Drupal that one could want have a module. If one is found, we
could have that notification" AlanSteinberg says, "I'm going to be out of
the country for most of the rest of June, but I'll try to be involved"
PhilipC says, "You could give us a list of talking points you'd like
covered" PhilipC says, "Your involvement would be valuable" PhilipC says,
"in any form or fashion" PhilipC says, "If this proposal sounds reasonable,
I'd like to offer a motion to that effect." PhilipC says, "Any second?"
AlanSteinberg says, "second" PhilipC says, "Thank you." Strangelv-3 says,
"Who's making the motion and what is it?" Strangelv-3 says, "Chair can't be
the one making it" PhilipC says, "The motion is that we form an ad hoc
communications subcommittee to write a draft comment to NRC which we will
bring back to this body on July 3 for a vote." Strangelv-3 says, "Alan, do
you so move?" dcarson says, "I'll so move" Lunadyne says, "second"
AlanSteinberg says, "well i was too slow" Strangelv-3 recorlds PhilipC
says, "Call the question" dcarson says, "aye" AlanSteinberg says, "aye"
Chard2 [Guest] says, "aye" bnault says, "aye" Lunadyne says, "Aye" pjbanyai
says, "aye" PhilipC says, "All in favor say aye, all opposed nay." PhilipC
says, "Aye" PhilipC says, "Actually I should abstain" PhilipC says, "But
the motion is carried" PhilipC says, "I'll try to set it up in the leaders
area of the website. Failing that, I need a list of volunteers who are
interested in being involved in this effort" Chard2 [Guest] says, "I have
nothing intelligent to contribute" PhilipC says, "Alan, you mentioned that
you were interested" Rose/Miros says, "it's set up" Rose/Miros says, "
http://test.moonsociety.org/HSF" PhilipC says, "Is there anyone else? Ken"
Strangelv-3 is happy to let others work on this while he works on other
things like the web site Strangelv-3 says, "There was plenty of
volunteering during the discussion" Rose/Miros says, "people who don't have
accounts, please set them up and then "apply for role" as leaders"
AlanSteinberg says, "assuming I can log into the system... personally i
like e-mailing things arround" Rose/Miros says, "i'll check often except
when i'm asleep" AlanSteinberg says, "since there is no notification for
when changes are made" Rose/Miros says, "i'll also put contact links on
your name on the leaders' page" Lunadyne says, "Yes, I'll be helping out."
Rose/Miros says, "maybe there's a module for that, but we dont have ityet"
PhilipC says, "Thank you. We'll use that page for brainstorming and working
out a draft" pjbanyai says, "Speaking of sub-committees, I changed the
Outreach Committee in teamdir to the Outreach Sub-Committee with Philip as
team leader. I also changed the Conference Team to have Ken as team Leader.
" Lunadyne says, "Sounds good." PhilipC says, "Without further adieu, does
anyone have any announcements before we wrap up this meeting?" Strangelv-3
says, "Move to adjourn" Chard2 [Guest] says, "second" dcarson says, "aye"
PhilipC says, "The meeting is now adjourned" 
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