-- Start log: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 9:25:23 pm ASI Meeting Server time --
PhilipC says, "Thank you. " PhilipC says, "Welcome to the 2013 July 3
Management Committee Meeting" PhilipC says, "For the purpose of taking
attendance, I'd like to start by asking all who are present to please state
your name and position." PhilipC says, "Philip Crume, Chairman" Lunadyne
says, "Ken Murphy, president" Strangelv-3 says, "James Gholston, Secretary"
dcarson says, "Dana Carson, Treasurer" pjbanyai says, "Paul Banyai, Vice
President" bnault says, "Ben Nault, Director" Rose/Miros says, "Rosalie
Dieteman, webmaster and director" Scottyg-2 has arrived. Scottyg-2 says,
"Scotty Gammenthaler, Assistant Treasurer is present" PhilipC says, "We're
still waiting for Jason Tuttle to resolve his access issues and Alan
Steinberg asked to be excused." PhilipC says, "We have quorum." PhilipC
says, "Can I have a motion to approve the minutes?" Rose/Miros says,
"moved" PhilipC says, "Any second?" Lunadyne says, "second" dcarson says,
"second" Strangelv-3 says, "Note that there is more than one set of
minutes" Rose/Miros says, "the newest set" Strangelv-3 says, "point of
order -- which set of minutes is being ovetd one?" Rose/Miros says, "i
never ovet!" Strangelv-3 says, "19 June and 17 April have been submitted"
PhilipC says, "I will defer that question to the secretary who posted them"
PhilipC says, "Thank you. So I would like to ask all voting members here to
review both sets of minutes. " PhilipC says, "I will also need an amending
motion to specify each minutes separately along with a second" Lunadyne
says, "Move approve 19 June" PhilipC says, "Any second?" bnault says,
"second" PhilipC says, "I call the question. All in favor please affirm by
saying aye. Opposed by saying nay." bnault says, "aye" Lunadyne says, "Aye"
dcarson says, "ayr" Strangelv-3 notes that Jason has now arrived and needs
herlp getting into the meeting ChardZ [Guest] arrives. ChardZ [Guest] says,
"here" Lunadyne says, "Aye" ChardZ [Guest] says, "Jason Tuttle - director"
ChardZ [Guest] says, "aye" PhilipC says, "That's 4 in favor." PhilipC says,
"I wish to reiterate that there is now a vote on the floor for approving
the June 19 minutes" pjbanyai says, "aye" Rose/Miros says, "aye" PhilipC
says, "That's 6, and now I will vote aye, which makes it 7" PhilipC says,
"we might be missing someone which we can count as an absention. "
Strangelv-3 abstains on approving minutes that he himself wrote PhilipC
says, "the motion carries." PhilipC says, "I need another amending motion
to approve the april 17 minutes" bnault says, "motion to approve the April
17 minutes" Rose/Miros says, "moved" Rose/Miros says, "second" PhilipC
says, "I call the question. What say you? Aye or nay?" Rose/Miros says,
"aye" bnault says, "aye" pjbanyai says, "aye" Lunadyne says, "Aye" dcarson
says, "aye" ChardZ [Guest] says, "aye" PhilipC says, "That's 6, I also vote
aye as 7, I take it that James abstains. The motion carries" PhilipC says,
"Before we discuss the agenda, I wish to make an announcement that is of
relevance to the agenda" PhilipC says, "I sent all of you an email
yesterday regarding my article for the NRC HSF comments." PhilipC says,
"After receiving valuable feedback from Alan, I set about to revise some of
the substance of my draft, which includes references." PhilipC says, "I
have not been successful in completing this new draft before this meeting."
Lunadyne says, "Nor have I been successful in getting my suggestions to you
before this meeting." Rose/Miros says, "i can pick nits for you tomorrow"
Lunadyne says, "Nothing major. Largely some rhetorical stuff."
AlanSteinberg has arrived. PhilipC says, "As a result, I would like to
abandom my recommendation of a thumbs up/down vote and instead spend time
brainstorming key points we'd all like to see on the article" PhilipC says,
"So here's my recommendation for the agenda for tonight's meeting and then
i'll open up the floor to discusson about the agenda" Rose/Miros says, "can
we discuss old/new business? i found both in an email from peter" PhilipC
says, "1) reports (limit time to 10-15 minutes)" PhilipC says, "2) old/new
business (limit time to 10 minutes)" PhilipC says, "3) discussion of the
NRC HSF paper (remaining time)" PhilipC says, "4) discussion of the agendas
for the next/last two meetings of this term (last 10 minutes)" PhilipC
says, "I now open the floor" Rose/Miros says, "peter's old business: join
chapters. peter's new business, cheaper renewal offer for old members"
Lunadyne says, "Membership stands at 159. " Lunadyne says, "we need to get
some glossy marketing materials together." PhilipC says, "please limit
comments or discussion to the agenda only" pjbanyai says, "I found a bug in
our registration page." Lunadyne says, "Sorry, just giving a quick
membership report. Apologies." PhilipC says, "Is this agenda acceptable?
Rose, do you think we need more time on old business?" PhilipC says, "15
minutes instead of 10?" Rose/Miros says, "not sure, but we do need to
address those two issues of peters" Rose/Miros says, "next time, someone
poke me to make sure any of peter's points gets added to the agenda page"
Scottyg-2 says, "And I think they deserve at least 15 minutes." Strangelv-3
doesn't know if we have the authority to fulfill Peter's reqiremewnt and is
too asleep to check PhilipC says, "Then let's do that" Rose/Miros says,
"the old business was from long ago, someone should have checked by now"
PhilipC says, "So let's get started. We'll try to end the meeting at 11 pm
EDT if possible. If we still need a little more time, we might need to
extend it to 11:15" PhilipC says, "Ken, you have the floor for the
membership report" Lunadyne says, "Membership stands at 159. " pjbanyai
says, "Current members can not retrieve their info from
https://www.moonsociety.org/register/register1.php they can only retrieve
it from https://www.moonsociety.org/register/util/get-teamdir.php after
logging into teamdir." Lunadyne says, "we need to get some glossy marketing
materials together." Lunadyne says, "That is all." PhilipC says, "Any
discussion?" PhilipC says, "Due to our limited time, we need to move on"
PhilipC says, "Now for the treasury report. Dana you have the floor"
dcarson says, "treasurer's report" dcarson says, "no major changes" PhilipC
says, "any discussion?" dcarson says, "found a minor bug in the online
reports, Scotty fixed it" Scottyg-2 says, "Bank balance as of May 31 was
$31,337.73" PhilipC says, "Thank you" dcarson says, "hope to meet with the
auditor next week or so" dcarson says, "done" PhilipC says, "I know we're
all looking forward to it." PhilipC says, "Thank you." dcarson says, "yeah"
PhilipC says, "Moving on. Webmaster's report. Rose you have the floor"
Scottyg-2 says, "Note for later reference that the bank balance is holding
about steady." Rose/Miros says, "slow progress on the copy paste"
Rose/Miros says, "i do have a to-do list which includes the team dir login"
Rose/Miros says, "we have a break from doctor visits, so i should be able
to get some stuff done" Rose/Miros says, "scotty, how are the subdomain
jugglings going?" Rose/Miros says, "(scotty got the rest of his to-do list
done, unlike me)" Scottyg-2 says, "Unfortunately, my situation is the
reverse of yours. I have some personal life things that are leaving me
almost no time to work on the website. Hopefully that will change soon."
Rose/Miros says, "does anyone have css experience? james wore himself out,
we need a new victim, err css guy?" Strangelv-3 is also at work stoppage
until the test site is up and running Strangelv-3 says, "evail,
boonsociety.org" Strangelv-3 is too asleep to type correctly dcarson says,
"I have a bit" Scottyg-2 says, "eval.monsociety.org" Strangelv-3 says,
"danke" Rose/Miros says, "ok, we'll talk tomorrow" pjbanyai says, "I am
looking at the code for each registration page to see what is causing a
problem for renewing members. These pages were apparently moved to another
directory for the security certificate and some links seem to be broken."
Scottyg-2 says, "Are you referring to the "Fetch my info" problem?"
Lunadyne says, "Ouch." pjbanyai says, "Yes. The register1.php refers to the
get_teamdir.php. get_teamdir.php seems to actually work on retrieval."
Rose/Miros says, "paul, do you think you can fix it, or do i need to slop
it on poor scotty?" bnault says, "I also have HelpDirector issues. Who is
our resource on that?" pjbanyai says, "I can post the correction to the non
secure register directory for copy to the secure one." PhilipC says, "Can
we defer this discussion to the web team at some other time? " Rose/Miros
says, "i can probably move it into position for you, poke me tomorrow"
Rose/Miros says, "and ben, can you poke me tomorrow? I'll see if i can fix
it, or slop it on scotty" Scottyg-2 says, "Paul, what I was seeing seemed
to indicate that the JavaScript to access get-teamdir.php didn't seem to be
working." bnault says, "OK Rose" PhilipC says, "We need to move on" PhilipC
says, "Old business: Rose, you mentioned Peter's motion regarding joint
chapters. Can you please expand on that?" Rose/Miros says, "welol, i think
we resolved everything as best we can in a meeting, so yes, we can move on"
Rose/Miros says, "joint chapters:" Rose/Miros says, "Amend chapter
qualifications to allow TMS chapters to become joint TMS/NSS chapters if 2
or more NSS members join the chapter in its area." Rose/Miros says, "And to
grant joint chapter status to any NSS chapter that open's its membership to
TMS members and has 2 TMS members." Rose/Miros says, "That would make
Milwaukee (NSS) a joint chapter, and several others could qualify including
Tucson, Oregon L5 (Portland) and Middle Tennessee/Nashville - I had sent a
list several months ago when I first made this request." Rose/Miros says,
"I=peter" pjbanyai says, "The get-teamdir.php is essentially an exact copy
of the register1.php with 1 or 2 small code changes." Rose/Miros says,
"tomorrow, please, paul" Scottyg-2 says, "Has anyone looked to see where
those chapter qualifications are defined? I can't remember." Rose/Miros
says, "someone quoted them at the meeting where this issue was introduced"
Rose/Miros says, "but this is not the time to go fishing through old
recordings" Scottyg-2 says, "If its in the Bylaws, this body can't change
them That is reserved to the BOD." Rose/Miros says, "iirc the discussion
was positive in the direction of letting this happen" Rose/Miros says, "ok,
i'll paste it into the agenda for the bod" Scottyg-2 says, "If its in the
Chapter Rules, we can change those." Strangelv-3 says, "When is the next
board meeting? Is it far enough into the future to make calling for a board
meeting varluble?" Strangelv-3 can't remember how much notice is required
PhilipC says, "Perhaps we can defer this issue to our next meeting after
we've had time to look into it more? Peter mentioned an affiliation
agreement. I'd like to take a look at it" dcarson says, "nothing about size
in the bylaws, just says persons so 2 minimum" Lunadyne says, "Agreed on
the joint chapters thing. I think it's a good interim step that supports
NSS, while giving us a stronger presence than we otherwise might have."
dcarson says, "and" dcarson says, "Section 2. Chapter Classes: There shall
be two classes of Chapters, Regular Chapters and Student Chapters. "
PhilipC says, "The next board meeting should be scheduled just prior to the
annual meeting" dcarson says, "The Moon Society Chapter Rules" which
document shall be maintained by the Board of Directors." dcarson says, "so
the BOD has to change the rules" PhilipC says, "I was planning to take the
lats 10 minutes of this meeting to discuss our agenda for the next/last two
meetings. I'm hoping we can spend those meeting discussing bylaws revisions
and focus on more structural issues" Scottyg-2 says, "No, The section on
the MC states that all powers of the BOD may be exercised by the MC exccept
those requiring greater than a majority vote." Rose/Miros says, "
http://test.moonsociety.org/bod-agenda if that's where it belongs" PhilipC
says, "It sounds like having a joint chapter label may require a revision
in the bylaws. " Rose/Miros says, "table until the bod?" Rose/Miros says,
"pleaase COMMENT ON THE AGENDA" Rose/Miros says, "excuse my shouting"
Strangelv-3 says, "How much notice do we need for a board meeting and
should we give said notice right now?" PhilipC says, "If we spend the mid
july and first of august meetings on these issues, then we can present a
comprehensive revision to the bylaws for the next BoD meeting" PhilipC
says, "Rose, the next board meeting is scheduled to take place mid august,
just before the annual membership meeting" PhilipC says, "I would recommend
tabling this issue until the mid july meeting where we'll hopefully spend
more time focusing on bylaws revisions (if all of you decide to proceed
with doing so)" PhilipC says, "FYI, we agreed to spend 15 minutes on this
agenda item. We have 5 minutes left." PhilipC says, "Should we table this
issue until the next meeting?" Rose/Miros says, "one thought, can someone
figure out who is responsible and how to change it in between?" Lunadyne
says, "I'm generally in favor of this agenda item." Scottyg-2 says, "I
can't move to table this. Will someone else make the motion?" Strangelv-3
says, "Move to postpone?" Strangelv-3 says, "It we table it we have to vote
to take it off of the table" ChardZ [Guest] says, "second" Strangelv-3
says, "Tabling has proved more effective at killing a business item than
doing it later in my experience" PhilipC says, "I am not sure if we need to
vote to table it or if a second will suffice" Rose/Miros says, "ok, lets
postpone, i promise to keep hammering at it" PhilipC says, "We WILL pick
this issue up again, I promise you that" Scottyg-2 says, "New business?"
Strangelv-3 says, "If ther's no objection I can document that it passed"
Rose/Miros says, "peter again" PhilipC says, "Note to posterity. Sorry
Peter. We just want to make sure that we're doing it right."" Rose/Miros
says, "brainstorming, but a good idea" Rose/Miros says, "For discussion. A
special "come back home" renewal offer for those who have dropped out in
the past 2 years? For example, Renew for 2 years at $20 rate, electronic
newsletter only. Limited to those who respond in the next 2 months after
getting the offer." Rose/Miros says, "Or some other kind of offer. Our past
members are probably a more fertile recruiting ground than just letting new
people find us somehow, as is now the case. " Rose/Miros says, "Or a
special offer on gift memberships to students? (college only? high school
also?)" Rose/Miros says, "1 year $20, 2 year $30??" PhilipC says, "New
business..." Lunadyne says, "I like the "Come Home to the Moon" membership
initiative that Rose mentioned." PhilipC says, "Discussion" PhilipC says,
"If anything, I'd like to raise the membership fee at some future point"
Scottyg-2 says, "In my experience, reducing our dues has done little to
boost membership but HAS caused us to have almost no positive cash flow."
dcarson says, "would be nice to have something that actually involved
progress to offer not ust a lower rate" Rose/Miros says, "it was peter's
idea, but i'll beat it like a dead horse if necessary" PhilipC says, "But
we need more activities to keep people around" Rose/Miros enjoys the
herding cats and beating dead horses activities PhilipC says, "I'd also be
in favor of giving a discounted rate to seniors or those who can't pay the
full rate" pjbanyai says, "[New Business] Any plans concerning Space
Congress or 100YS Symposium? I think it is too late to have a presenter,
however we may still be able to get a display booth." Strangelv-3 says, "We
can increase revenues by offering higher levels for thosq who can afford to
pay them. Instead, John Carmack would pay the same price as someone who's
unsure how they're paying rent" PhilipC says, "Paul, we'll discuss that
next. But I need to put a time limit on it. How much time do you need for
it?" Scottyg-2 says, "Philip, yes. The one thing that has created a
significant membership increase was the solar power beaming demo. We need
things like that." AlanSteinberg says, "I'm with Scotty, I don't agree with
lowering dues. Rather than focus on giving discounts to old, I'd suggest
discounts to new" Lunadyne says, "We will have a display at Moon Day on
July 20th. Potentially some good media exposure." Scottyg-2 says, "We
already have a discounted rate for seniors and students." Rose/Miros says,
"but it's not for current people, it's to get lapsed people back in"
dcarson says, "paying less for something that isn't doing anything isn't
that attractive" AlanSteinberg says, "if a person has lappsed, they are
probably just not interested more so than its a financial issue" Rose/Miros
says, "for me it was financial" PhilipC says, "I'd like to note that Alan
Steinberg is now present. We now have a full meeting" Rose/Miros says,
"just saying" AlanSteinberg says, "I've been present for a while, just had
nothing worthwhile to input until now :)" Strangelv-3 says, "We've had
multiple active members who can't afford it. Whatever we do at that end, we
have people who could affold to pay $100 a month if we gave them an
incentive. Inot sure we can provide THAT much of an incentive, but we might
be able to make it worth $25 a month" PhilipC says, "Again, this sounds
like a structural isue. I'd like to spend the last two meetings before the
annual membership meeting to cover such issues" dcarson says, "idea, small
kickstarter project, $500 or so to do the ebook versions of the MMM special
collections" dcarson says, "have memberships as one of the levles for the
kickstarter" Strangelv-3 says, "That would be a good one, and $500 is a
nice bottow level target. Need a bunch of stretch goals. 8)" dcarson says,
"so that people are joining to get aproject done" Lunadyne says, "Why not
do different levels of membership, like NSS does?" Rose/Miros says, "sounds
like an idea" Rose/Miros says, "sounds like an idea, dana" dcarson says,
"yeah, lets discuss out of meeting, maybe a page on the website" Lunadyne
says, "Let's get an e-book published before we start getting too
aggressive." Rose/Miros says, "dana, wanna start a kickstarter discussion
page?" PhilipC says, "We're over the time allocated for this topic. We need
to move on." pjbanyai says, "Probably only a few minutes. These are popular
conferences which are trending heavily with our facebook/twitter followers.
I.E. they want to know if we will be making an appearance." PhilipC says,
"Can I have a motion to table this topic until the next meeting?"
Rose/Miros says, "moved" Strangelv-3 says, "Ordecrs of the day" PhilipC
says, "Any second?" Strangelv-3 says, "That should suffigce" Strangelv-3
says, "no motion neded to clutter the minutes with" PhilipC says, "Moving
on" PhilipC says, "Discussion of the NRC HSF article" PhilipC says, "I have
the floor" PhilipC says, "As I mentioned earlier, after incorporating
Alan's feedback, I made a few substantive changes to my draft. But I am
unable to finish it in time" PhilipC says, "As a result, I think it's fair
that so long as I'm getting feedback from you and am not doing this myself,
that a thumbs up/down endorsement vote is not really appropriate" PhilipC
says, "instead i'd like for us to have a brainstorming session on what
elements we'd like to see in the paper" PhilipC says, "and with the result
that if we have a reasonable agreement on what those elements are, I and
possibly someone else will write up the article, and then a standing
committee will give it the final approval in a day or two" PhilipC says,
"does this sound reasonable?" Lunadyne says, "Philip, it's a good paper so
far. Not much to complain about." PhilipC says, "I open the floor to
discussion" Lunadyne says, "I would like to see a bit more focus on what
humans bring to the equation off-planet. Our flexibility in the face of
unforeseen circumstances. Our ability to improvise. We fix machines. We can
ensure mission success long after robots have crapped out." Lunadyne says,
"These are unique to human capability. We also have to stop just throwing
assets into the void." PhilipC says, "My new revised draft incorporates
that recommendation" Lunadyne says, "Fireworks are starting. Ken is AFK.
BRB" PhilipC says, "i focused on research design " Strangelv-3 says, "Is
the new draft emailed?" PhilipC says, "If I email it, then only about half
of it shows new content" Rose/Miros says, "the new draft is under
construction" Rose/Miros says, "and we're using this issue to test the
online collaboration provided by Drupal books and comments" PhilipC says,
"Alan, I managed to track down my references " PhilipC says, "I explained
acronyms in the footnotes" Rose/Miros says, "good, i was getting bogged
down" PhilipC says, "I think I might have also found a reference to STEM
education" Rose/Miros will be right back. PhilipC says, "Since I'm writing
this article for the NRC, and given what's at stake, I'm including a lot of
jargon that may make it a little unreadable. But I would like to write a
simpler version that we can use for general distribution among our members"
AlanSteinberg says, "glad to hear it" AlanSteinberg says, "i'm happy to
read/edit/comment again tomorrow" PhilipC says, "I'm going to be too busy
tomorrow. I'm behind on yard work and I have to throw a party at 4" PhilipC
says, "I lost too much time today hopping libraries for specific books"
PhilipC says, "I took Alan's advice in collapsing the realist/idealist
break in my original draft" PhilipC says, "I kept the big picture view of
how space colonization relates to society but put into context" PhilipC
says, "I also included a section on the different ways that scientists make
discoveries" PhilipC says, "such as those driven by hypotheses, those that
come from unexpected results from the first type of experiments, and by
accidents" PhilipC says, "i argue that we have a lot of fundamental
discoveries that came through pure accidents" Rose/Miros says, "might want
to throw in we've had 2 near misses with asteroids already this year"
Rose/Miros says, "and something about the sword of damocles" Strangelv-3
says, "We had an inderect HIT withone this year" Strangelv-3 says, "The
problem is that the specialists are still pretending that the risk is
costnant" Strangelv-3 says, "instead of occasionally evelated" Strangelv-3
says, "and we don't have the degrees or specialization to combat them
withitn their specialization. We might be able to mention that the recent
increase might be a call to question that judgebent, though" Rose/Miros
wants dino jammies to dance around in during meetings dcarson says,
"sometimes coins come up heads 10 times in a row, doesn't mean elevated
odds, just thats what ramndom means" Rose/Miros offers dcarson some dino
jammies too Strangelv-3 says, "More often than not if it's 10 times in a
row and not the other way around there might be a basis, though" Rose/Miros
says, "bias, not bhasis" Strangelv-3 says, "ie if die keeps colling 34s and
4s it's not random chance. The other numbers aren't 'due' or equally
likely, they've proven to be less likely" Rose/Miros says, "but then you
get 1s and 6s for a while" Strangelv-3 says, "But not as many as 3 and 4s"
Rose/Miros says, "then 1 2 3 4 5 6 in a line" Strangelv-3 says, "This is a
die that is not giving an even set of results" PhilipC says, "I don't know
if using asteroidal risk is the way to go since this paper is supposed to
be about human spaceflight" AlanSteinberg says, "ok... can we move on from
this?" Scottyg-2 says, "Off topic: The "Fetch My Data" problem in the
registration system is fixed." Strangelv-3 claps. Rose/Miros says, "ty
scotty, i don't have to assign it to you now" Rose/Miros grins. PhilipC
says, "are there any other points we'd all like to see in the paper?"
Strangelv-3 says, "point about it being off-topic. We can bring that up in
detail rater" PhilipC says, "If not, I'd like to suggest that we give the
final approval to a steering committee" PhilipC says, "Perhaps it can
include myself, Alan, Ken, and I'd suggest that 2 others join" Strangelv-3
says, "When do we have to turn it in by again?" PhilipC says, "July 9"
Rose/Miros says, "so we need to hustle" PhilipC says, "yep" Strangelv-3
says, "I might be able to give some feedbacrk but don't count on it. I'm
still trying to pic kup the pieuces of things I was neglecting for half a
year" Rose/Miros says, "i told ya to fix whump, but you kept on with other
stuff" PhilipC says, "If no one else is willing to step up to the plate,
would the three of us be acceptable" Rose/Miros says, "i'll do grammar
nits" PhilipC says, "I welcome it" dcarson says, "if I could write english
I might not have become a programmer :-)" PhilipC says, "I only pretend to
write well" PhilipC says, "As I'm sure Rose and Alan can attest" Rose/Miros
says, "wasn't bad. just had nits" dcarson says, "well do you do a good job
of pretending" Rose/Miros will be right back. PhilipC says, "If this sounds
like a reasonable plan, I need a motion to give this steering committee the
authority to have the final approval on this paper, and if it has unanimous
approval, that we submit this article as authored by myself on behalf of
the Moon Society" ChardZ [Guest] says, "motions" PhilipC says, "Thank you.
Any second?" bnault says, "second" Strangelv-3 says, "WHUMP can't deal with
100+ attacks a minute. That required something more drastic" PhilipC says,
"Out of order" Strangelv-3 says, "What is the text of the motion?" ChardZ
[Guest] says, "the text immediately preceding the motion" PhilipC says,
"That a steering committee consisting of Philip Crume, Ken Murphy, and Alan
Steinberg will review the final draft of the Moon Society article for the
NRC HSF call for comments, and with unanimous approval by this committee
will this article be submitted" pjbanyai says, "Current existing Outreach
Subcomittee is supposed to handle this. It is used by the Moon Society for
discussion of planning, development, and execution of Moon Society efforts
to increase its membership. This includes mailings, conferences and
conventions, literature, and anything else that can be used to get more
members in Moon Society. " PhilipC says, "I call the question. All in favor
say aye. All opposed say nay." PhilipC says, "I will abstain" ChardZ
[Guest] says, "aye" dcarson says, "aye" AlanSteinberg says, "Paul, this
isn't designed for the purposes of increasing membership so it's not in the
perview of the outreach subcommittee" AlanSteinberg says, "aye" Strangelv-3
attempts to piece the text together since no one is going to do that for
him Rose/Miros wants this handled by someone, right people or not
Rose/Miros says, "aye" pjbanyai says, "Then shouldn't fall under the
perview of the Communication Committee itself? " bnault says, "aye"
AlanSteinberg says, "though I have no problem with outreach subcommittee
members being part of this, just saying it doesn't have to be restricted to
that group" Strangelv-3: "moved to create a steering committee the
authority with final approval on the NRC HSF paper"? PhilipC says, "that
works" Rose/Miros says, "yep, thayt's it" PhilipC says, "love the
simplicity" PhilipC says, "so far, we have 5 votes in favor" Strangelv-3
loks at Jason and Dana who moved and seconded to see if this matches their
expectations PhilipC says, "1 abstention" Lunadyne says, "I'm back. What
are we voting in favor of?" Strangelv-3 says, "That's what I've been trying
to get gclarified" PhilipC says, "that me, you, and alan will form a
steering committee to give the final approval of the NRC HSF paper" ChardZ
[Guest] says, "so Phillip can finish his paper" PhilipC says, "yes"
Lunadyne says, "Okay, aye." Strangelv-3 says, "aye" PhilipC says, "the vote
is unanimous -1 abstention" PhilipC says, "thank you" PhilipC says, "Now
for the last item on the agenda." PhilipC says, "I will try to finish this
quickly" AlanSteinberg says, "basically approval is just allowing Philip to
sign the paper with "on behalf of the Moon Society" at the bottom, since as
a private citizen he could submitt the same paper anyways." PhilipC says,
"Before I talk about this, can someone verify for me that the next board
meeting and the annual membership meeting will take place in mid august?"
PhilipC says, "or will it take place in the first meeting of august?"
bnault says, "But I would still like to read the final version before it is
sent out..." PhilipC says, "sure" pjbanyai says, "The nex board meeting is
technically after the Annual Meeting. It is supposed to be the first board
meeting appoving the election results." pjbanyai says, "The next board
meeting is technically after the Annual Meeting. It is supposed to be the
first board meeting approving the election results." PhilipC says, "But
when are these meetings supposed to be held?" PhilipC says, "The reason I
ask is because we only have 1 or 2 MC meetings left in this term" bnault
says, "in 2012, the BM was held 2nd meeting of Aug - Aug 15 to be exact"
pjbanyai says, "August 7: MC Meeting, August 14: Annual Meeting and August
21: Board meeting." PhilipC says, "So if this meeting is to be held the
first week of August, then we only have one remaining meeting" Rose/Miros
says, "don't we have another july meeting? or am i confused?" PhilipC says,
"So Paul, am I to understand that we will have an MC meeting before the
annual meeting?" bnault says, "there will be 2 MC meetings before the BM"
PhilipC says, "What I'd like for us to do is to cover a range of issues
that allows us to avoid the problems we had at the beginning of this term"
PhilipC says, "Such as continuity of leadership" PhilipC says, "possibly
revising the bylaws" PhilipC says, "of course the issues that Peter brings
up " PhilipC says, "on chapters and how to bring back expired members"
PhilipC says, "It's getting late and we're almost 15 minutes past. Let's
discuss this in email." Rose/Miros says, "website" Rose/Miros says, "not
email" pjbanyai says, "We have two MC meetings July 17 and August 7."
Rose/Miros says, "you wanted online collab, you got it" PhilipC says,
"sorry, slowly getting used to it" Rose/Miros says, "peter's issues are
tucked into old business, and i promise to beat them like de3ad horses"
PhilipC says, "My hope is that we can fix the structural problems we had
earlier and make this a more enjoyable experience for future leaders"
Strangelv-3 says, "What was our final item and discussion? Was that
chapters being resumed?" PhilipC says, "this is the final agenda item"
Strangelv-3 finally finds it. Discusison of -ubsequeent meeting agendas
PhilipC says, "I will get the ball rolling on this discussion on the
website and I'd appreciate any comments or feedback on what we can do with
the next/last two meetings of this term" PhilipC says, "I think that wraps
it up for now." PhilipC says, "Does anyone have any announcements before we
adjourn?" Lunadyne says, "Yes" bnault says, "yes here too" PhilipC says,
"Ken then Ben" Lunadyne says, "Go ahead Ben." PhilipC says, "Ben" bnault
says, "Peter emailed me earlier today: apparently he goofed on sending the
ballot out. Sent it to all members - past and present. This might
complicate vote counting a bit." bnault says, "but might also be
interesting in reviving interest in some lapsed members." ChardZ [Guest]
grins. AlanSteinberg says, "just a quick thing, but we might want to
consider to a easier to read balot, it wasn't clear to me if there are 2 or
three people running for BOD" PhilipC says, "Or we can send an email to
them to tell them that we've received their vote but to make it count, they
need to renew their membership. Let's make lemonade out of lemons."
Rose/Miros says, "works for me" Strangelv-3 says, "That sounds good"
dcarson says, "part of the election secratary job is verifing membership"
dcarson says, "and most never vote anyway" bnault says, "my access to
HelpDir seems limited at this time" PhilipC says, "Ken, you also had an
announcement..." Lunadyne says, "First, I've been in discussions with a
documentarian from October Films who is pitching a series to a cable
channel on settling the Moon. She is thinking about having me as host. This
would be good exposure for TMS." Rose/Miros says, "i'll look at it
tomorrow, give me a poke" ChardZ [Guest] says, "cool" PhilipC says, "Very
nice!" pjbanyai says, "By the way "The Secretary shall provide notice and
an agenda for the annual meeting at least 30 days in advance of the meeting
by posting same in a prominent location on the Society's web site and by
emailing a copy to all members who have provided a valid email address. ""
Lunadyne says, "Second, I've been working with Michael Laine of LiftPort on
a weekly radio program that we be syndicated to small stations around the
country that need content. This would be a tech focused show, and again, I
would be host. More good exposure for TMS." PhilipC says, "That reminds me
that the FCC has granted a very rare window of opportunity for people
interested in setting up nonprofit radio stations. I'll send you the link
if you're interested" Lunadyne says, "Third, Moon Day is coming up in
Dallas. Our exhibit will have the Solar Power Satellite exhibit and the
Lunar Lava Tube exhibit." Lunadyne says, "Some membership brochures would
be good." PhilipC says, "Let's work on it" Lunadyne says, "I'll be talking
with the media, and have a presentation on Cislunar Space." Strangelv-3
says, "So what is on our agenda that I'm needing to post befare I make
something up at the last minute?" Lunadyne says, "Fourth, tomorrow I will
be at the Mensa Annual Gathering talking about Cislunar space." Rose/Miros
says, "anything needing discussion, please make a page in the leaders area
of the website" PhilipC says, "Is there anything else?" pjbanyai says,
"Usually the President creates an annual state of the Society paper which
is the basis for the Annual meeting's agenda." Lunadyne says, "Item #2,429
on my current agenda." Lunadyne says, "What's the due date?" PhilipC says,
"August 14" PhilipC says, "Is the annual membership meeting the final
address for the president or his first address?" PhilipC says, "Please
answer that in a sec." Rose/Miros says, "night" PhilipC says, "We are now
30 minutes past our scheduled closing time" Lunadyne says, "This would be
my final one unless I get re-elected." PhilipC says, "Can I have a motion
to adjourn?" Rose/Miros wanders away Scottyg-2 says, "The annual report is
given by the President for the previous year." PhilipC says, "thank you"
Rose/Miros says, "moved" bnault says, "motion to adjourn" PhilipC says,
"Any second?" dcarson says, "second" PhilipC says, "This meeting is now
adjourned." ChardZ [Guest] says, "night" PhilipC says, "Thank you for
coming and see you July 17" Scottyg-2 says, "G'nite all!" 
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