-- Start log: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:16:54 pm ASI Meeting Server time -- 
PhilipC says, "Hello everyone and thank you all for coming. "
PhilipC says, "This is the 2013 Sept 18 Management Committee Meeting"
Rose/Miros has arrived. PhilipC says, "I'd like to start us off, for the
purpose of taking attendance, to ask all who are present to please state
your name and position (or if you are a non-voting member)" PhilipC says,
"Philip Crume, Chairman" dcarson says, "Dana Carson, Treasurer" pjbanyai
says, "Paul Banyai, Vice President" Scottyg says, "Scotty Gammenthaler,
Assistant Treasurer " Strangelv-1 says, "James Gholston, Secretary"
Rose/Miros says, "Rosalie Dieteman Webmaster and Director" Rose/Miros says,
"and Soaker of Biscuits In Soup" Strangelv-1 looks at Mike Delaney,
listmaster and former director MikeD-1 says, "Mike Delaney, former
director, sleeping" MikeD-1 says, "oh, used to be listmaster when we still
thought we could still use lists" Rose/Miros feeds MikeD some soup PhilipC
says, "I think that's everyone present. Let the record state that this
meeting has quorum." PhilipC says, "If you will take a minute to check your
emails, our secretary, has posted the minutes for the last meeting. Please
take a minute to review them. " PhilipC says, "He posted the minutes about
2 hours ago" Strangelv-1 says, "There's one or two corrections" Strangelv-1
says, "One I corrected Jim Keravala's name -- that's on the link but not in
the email" PhilipC says, "Please state what they are." Rose/Miros says,
"and why aren't they in the leaders area on the website?" Strangelv-1 says,
"Then I have a question -- Rose I've been listing you as webmistress, but
you've been saying webmaster. Which should we be recording?" Rose/Miros
says, "don't care" Strangelv-1: http://test.moonsociety.org/node/152
PhilipC says, "Then use webmaster as a generic term" pjbanyai says, "I just
reset his password again. It works for loggin in. I think he may have
requested the account again or tried to change the password himself. At one
time the password could be easily changed. I think with the last update
admin accounts became more restrictive on changing passwords. This may also
be causing some database disconnect between the ASI Teamdir and the
Moonsociety Teamdir." Strangelv-1 says, "Should I make that change before
ther's a motion to approve the minutesL?" Strangelv-1 defaults to yes
PhilipC says, "James, what is the second correction?" Strangelv-1 says,
"The second correction is Webmistress to Webmaster, now performed" PhilipC
says, "Alright, with these two corrections, does anyone have any objections
to the minutes?" PhilipC says, "If not, can I have a motion to approve?"
Rose/Miros says, "moved" PhilipC says, "Any second?" Strangelv-1 says,
"Seconded" PhilipC says, "Thank you. Any discussion?" PhilipC says, "I'll
give it 10 more seconds" Strangelv-1 has made his discussion already
PhilipC says, "Hearing none, let's call the question" Strangelv-1 says,
"abstain" PhilipC says, "All in favor please say aye. All opposed nay"
Rose/Miros says, "aye" pjbanyai says, "aye" dcarson says, "aye" PhilipC
says, "Since I cannot vote, and James abstained, that is 3 in favor. 2
abstentions" Scottyg says, "Team Director has always treated Admin users
differently than regular users. Admin users passwords must be changed using
the User Administration button, not by editing the user account." PhilipC
says, "Next, I will open the floor for 2 minutes for discussion related to
the agenda. Please refrain from giving any reports at this time" PhilipC
says, "Gentlemen, please refrain from posting non-meeting related chatter
here. " PhilipC says, "I am currently in discussion with Alan Steinberg
regarding the bylaws revisions, which pertains to the topic of chapters. So
we can discuss that" MikeD-1 says, "is the agenda posted somewhere?"
Scottyg says, "Completing a discussion previously started by someone other
than me." Rose/Miros says, "should be ON THE WEBSITE" Scottyg says, "If you
don't like that, ask me to leave the meeting." PhilipC says, "We can also
disuss the annual meeting" Rose/Miros says, "we talk about offline
discussion and no one does it" Rose/Miros is already in a bad mood PhilipC
says, "I also have another item for the agenda related to the website that
I would like to discuss as well" PhilipC says, "Hearing no other additions
to the agenda, we have:" PhilipC says, "1) Website transition" PhilipC
says, "2) Annual meeting review" Rose/Miros says, "website utilization"
PhilipC says, "3) Chapters revision for bylaws" PhilipC says, "Does this
sound like a workable solution for everyone?" pjbanyai says, "Didn't we
vote Mike into having a free year of membership to be effective 17 July
2013?" Strangelv-1 says, "We did" Strangelv-1 says, "And he's officially
the listmaster" MikeD-1 says, "except I don't have access to do anything
with the lists" pjbanyai says, "His status is still expired." PhilipC says,
"Please remember to keep side chatter in whisper mode " PhilipC says,
"Let's get started" PhilipC says, "Since Ken isn't here, we can skip the
membership report." PhilipC says, "Next is the treasurer's report. Dana,
you have the floor." dcarson says, "ok, check sent for Last Breath"
AlanSteinberg has arrived. PhilipC says, "Let the record show that Alan
Steinberg has arrived" AlanSteinberg says, "sorry for the late arrival, I
was working" dcarson says, "emailed David Filmer about his double payment,
he did intend to pay for four years" dcarson says, "he velives the pay two
get three promotion is on" PhilipC says, "Welcome, we've just started the
treasurer's report." dcarson says, "I can't rmember if it is but seems
worth doing to reward someone paying for four years" Strangelv-1 says, "I
concur" Rose/Miros says, "i agree" dcarson says, "any questions?"
Strangelv-1 says, "DO we need to make a motion or is this strictly
administrative?" PhilipC says, "So if David Filmer pays for 4 years, he
expects to get 6 years of membership?" Strangelv-1 says, "That seems the
implication" PhilipC says, "A natural question that arises here is do we
want to award him individually or do this promotion again and make it
available to everyone?" dcarson says, "yes, we had a promotion for that at
an ISDC and he thinks it is still active" MikeD-1 says, "need to set and
publish a 'no multi transaction' rule, and then allow him this as a one off
for exposing the problem" dcarson says, "doing it again seems reasonable
but after we get current stuff done" MikeD-1 says, "also need clear
expiration dates on specials" dcarson says, "how is multitransactions a
problem, if people want to spend money on us every week that is good"
dcarson says, "and each transaction was for two years" MikeD-1 says, "true
Dana, but 6 years for 4 paid is a bit much" pjbanyai says, "I thought the
promotion was still in effect. However, I do not see Filmer paying more
than $40 in Teamdir. He simply has multiple accounts with only one having a
payment listed." Strangelv-1 could make a motion to rubberstamp this if
needed, but is'nt up to writing language for a more complex motion right
now PhilipC says, "Also keep in mind that at some point, when we provide
better value to our members, heaven forbid we might actually want to raise
the membership dues to be comparable to what other space advocacy
organizations are charging" Rose/Miros says, "ok, still, we didn't say an
expiration date, so i think we legally have to accept that" Scottyg says,
"We sometimes have gaps between decisions of this body and assignment of an
action item to implement them. MikeD is probably an example." MikeD-1 says,
"Dana, I'm just wary of setting precedents" dcarson says, "there were two
credit card transcarions two weeks apart" Rose/Miros says, "HOWEVER, we can
put an announcement on the website saying sorry, the 3 for 2 deal is now
ended" pjbanyai says, "Sorry I forgot he also did a quick renewal." Scottyg
says, "The 3 for 2 promotion is still in effect." Rose/Miros has been known
to rip the expired sale tags off the shelf and take them to the register
with her PhilipC says, "So the options on the table are: a) grant Filmer 6
years worth of membership, b) announce the 3 for 2 promotion to all
members, " PhilipC says, "or c) announce that the promotion has ended"
PhilipC says, "while still allowing for option a" pjbanyai says, "We should
probably promote the fact that our membership costs less than the others.
We could probably get significant boost in membership." PhilipC says,
"lower cost isn't always a good thing" Scottyg says, "The online
registration clearly states that the 3 for 2 is in effect." Strangelv-1
says, "a) probab[ly needs to be done with eitnher B or C, my question is if
it requires a motion" MikeD-1 says, "d) and/or impose a single transaction
limit" MikeD-1 says, "but personally I'd even allow life membership on
layaway" Strangelv-1 says, "IIRC GOA has life memberships on layaway"
dcarson says, "if it states so on the registration page I don't see how it
would" dcarson says, "we are advertising it" PhilipC says, "Dana, do you
have any recommended course of action?" Strangelv-1 says, "o if we end it
we need to remove it from the page" dcarson says, "give him the six years
and decide offline if we want to drop the promo" Rose/Miros says, "c)
announce the promotion is ENDING SOON, hurry hurry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1"
dcarson says, "agree" PhilipC says, "It sounds like we're pretty close to a
motion" MikeD-1 says, "then extend it due to popular demand" Rose/Miros
says, "good idea mike" Rose/Miros says, "hurry hurry" Scottyg says, "See:
https://www.moonsociety.org/register/register2.php (Ignore errors at top of
page. This page is supposed to be the 2nd in a sequence.)" Strangelv-1
says, "Give an expiration date for the extension as well as before" PhilipC
says, "Dana, would you like to make a motion?" dcarson says, "move we mark
the 3 for 2 deal as ending in 2 months" Rose/Miros says, "second" PhilipC
says, "Any further discussion?" Strangelv-1 says, "Standby" Scottyg says,
"Dana, could you state that as ending on a specific date?" Strangelv-1
says, "Motion to ammend" Strangelv-1 says, "The expiration is on ..."
Strangelv-1 says, "when is thanksgiving this year?" Strangelv-1 says, "I
want to make sure we have a meeting right before it expires so we can
extend it at that meeting" pjbanyai says, "Does anyone else get on the
registration page the following - Notice: Undefined index: num_years in
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says, "is it the 3 or 4th thursday?" dcarson says, "Nov 28" dcarson says,
"4th Thurs" Strangelv-1 says, "oh good. I mwove to ammend to make the
ebpiration 21 November 2013" Strangelv-1 says, "Thursday after our second
meeting of the month" Scottyg says, "Paul, read my comment above." dcarson
says, "I'll accept that amendment" MikeD-1 says, "there may be limits to
how many consecutive months you can have a sale or promotion without
reverting to regular price for a period" Strangelv-1 says, "Is that a
second?" PhilipC says, "Is there a second for James' amendment?" Rose/Miros
says, "second" PhilipC says, "Any further discussion on the amendment?"
Strangelv-1 says, "call the question on the ammendment" PhilipC says, "All
in favor of the amendment, say aye. All opposed nay." Strangelv-1 says,
"aye" dcarson says, "aye" pjbanyai says, "aye" Rose/Miros says, "aye"
Strangelv-1 says, "Do we need to make any other changes to the motion?"
PhilipC says, "Alan?" AlanSteinberg says, "abstain" PhilipC says, "The
motion carries 4 ayes, 0 opposed, 2 abstentions" Strangelv-1 says, "call
the question on the main motion, and we need someone to write the
announcement" PhilipC says, "Now on to the motion itself, is there any
further discussion" PhilipC says, "So noted" PhilipC says, "All in favor of
the motion, say aye" PhilipC says, "all opposed nay." Strangelv-1 says,
"Aye" pjbanyai says, "aye" dcarson says, "aye" AlanSteinberg says,
"abstain" PhilipC says, "Rose?" Rose/Miros says, "aye" PhilipC says, "The
motion carries, 4 ayes, 0 opposed, 2 abstentions" PhilipC says, "Dana, do
you have anything else for the treasurer's report?" PhilipC says, "Dana?"
dcarson says, "no, done" PhilipC says, "Thank you." PhilipC says, "Now for
the web committee report. Rose, you have the floor." Rose/Miros says, "um"
Rose/Miros says, "we're still copying and pasting" Rose/Miros says, "poeple
have expressed dislike of the current css" Rose/Miros says, "well, james
and scotty and i and mike (testing) busted our butts working this one out"
Rose/Miros says, "if you have an opinion, express it in simple details
along with exactly how to fix it, or make a picture or some other way of
expressing your details" Rose/Miros says, "since scotty is tied up, hope
the wife is better, dana has been working on testbed.moonsociety.org so we
can tinker without breaking the working site" Rose/Miros says, "personally,
i have 2 requests" Rose/Miros says, "1) philip keeps talking about online
colaboration. please make pages for your ideas in the Leaders area so we
can comment on them" Rose/Miros says, "once people are COLLABORATING, we'll
see about getting better tools to do so" Rose/Miros says, "2) if anyone
does anything moon related, please make an "article" about it and if you
can't put it on the front page, ask me and i'll do it" Rose/Miros says,
"that eerything?" Rose/Miros says, "everything?" Rose/Miros says, "oh, the
biscuits soaked in soup are yummy" MikeD-1 says, "damn soup saleswoman"
PhilipC says, "Is that all for the web committee report?" Rose/Miros says,
"i gave you a crock pot, make your own" Rose/Miros says, "yes, that's all"
PhilipC says, "On to the first order of business, website transition"
PhilipC says, "This is an item that I would like to discuss here" PhilipC
says, "I'll start off by saying that we're pretty close to finishing the
website (believe it or not). The main thing holding us back at this point
is moving content from the old site to the new one." PhilipC says, "I would
like to put out a personal request to all of us here to help out "
Rose/Miros says, "we need fingers and keyboards........" PhilipC says, "If
you can copy and paste text, you can help make a difference" PhilipC says,
"We need the entire management committee to help out here to speed up the
process" PhilipC says, "Afterwards the web team can go back to focusing on
maintenance and maybe tweak the design into something we're all happy with"
PhilipC says, "Of course we can add features over time, and this was
expected. Is everyone here willing to help the web team finish up here? If
so, when would be a good itme for you to work with Rose?" PhilipC says,
"I'll open the floor " Rose/Miros says, "i also think we should put the
minutes and agenda on the website in the Leaders area, then send an email
to Go To The Website and read them" PhilipC says, "Of everyone here, Rose,
Mike, Scotty, Dana, and myself are working on the website. If we have Ken,
Paul, Ben, and Alan helping out, we can complete the transition much
sooner" PhilipC says, "Perhaps even try to wrangle Peter to help too (if
you're reading this Peter!)" Strangelv-1 says, "Content handling is the
main structural thing we're lacking. Drupal has more modules than anyone
can count that can help with this, but I was too busy working on the
CSS/HTML/PHP side of things to look into it, and after putting about six
months and 1200 hours into it I've been trying ot catch up on everything
else I was neglecting for that time period, including two other websites
for different organizations" PhilipC says, "My goal was simply to put the
request out there. " Strangelv-1 says, "Whose websites are farl more modest
undertakings" PhilipC says, "Whether or not that happens remains to be
seen. " PhilipC says, "Moving on to item #2 on the agenda, a wrap-up on the
annual meeting" PhilipC says, "I believe we had maybe 2 or 3 members show
up, with one focusing on youth outreach" PhilipC says, "Ken gave his state
of the society talk, where he had the officers and committee chairs give a
report " PhilipC says, "Ken mentioned that our membership numbers are down
a little from the previous high of around 176 members and that we're now
down to about 154, which is still a little higher from previous numbers in
the 130s" PhilipC says, "Dana gave a brief overview of our financials, that
we have about $31k in assets" PhilipC says, "And I discussed the web
transition process, where I basically repeated what I said a few minutes
ago" pjbanyai says, "I would collaborate if I could. I can't edit anything
posted by someone else. While I have more experience with Joomla than
Drupal. There are instructive pages available on the web. I think it might
help if there was posted a helpful guide on how to work with the site. I
know with the old site I had to dig through about a 1000 nooks and crannies
to find out how to do the most basic things. I think I even found a large
amount of useful information hidden on the simshost site. " PhilipC says,
"But what was most notable event for me was discussion of moving into a new
direction with our projects" PhilipC says, "Paul, I'm sure Rose, Dana,
James, Scotty, (or myself to a lesser degree) can give you any tutorials
you'll need. It's basically as simple as editing a google sites page (it's
all in the browser and very intuitive)." Rose/Miros says, "i'm still
working out the kinks on permissions, i'll add permission to edit existing
pages to collaborators" PhilipC says, "But back to the projects" PhilipC
says, "What was most interesting to me is that we discussed the possibility
of getting more involved with teleoperated robotics in conjunction with
ISRU research" PhilipC says, "We spent at least 1/3 of the meeting on that
topic." PhilipC says, "So I'll bring it up again here and my intention is
only to detemine if this is something those of us here who didn't attend
the meeting, would be interested in?" Rose/Miros says, "yeah, sounds like
fun" PhilipC says, "Without going into too much detail at this point, what
does everyone here think about this? Let's limit discussion for 10
minutes." Rose/Miros says, "as i said in the commons, we might be able to
do a demo with a 6' sandbox in your basement with remote control lego
robots" PhilipC says, "I'll open the floor" Strangelv-1 is tryingto figuerl
out what to call this discussion in the minutes Rose/Miros says, "the
remote control robotos discussion" Rose/Miros pokes at Strangelv-1. MikeD-1
says, "telerobotics... yes" dcarson says, "trying to partner or leverage
off thre FIRST high school robotics contests might be good" PhilipC says,
"I think we'll get the most bang for our buck if we focus on the pure
science side of things, and perhaps focus on the network and maybe offer a
standard user interface (possibly using Microsoft Kinect)" PhilipC says,
"We can probably start off small and simple (using scoops/loaders) and
later evolve to more sophisticated operations" MikeD-1 says, "is the kinect
not just a handsfree version of a standard xbox controller?" pjbanyai says,
"I have seen a few remote operation controllers listed on Kickstarter. The
best so far seems to be Wigwag. They have several devices to essentially
remotely control most of your house as well as RC toys. There was also
recently several Kinect like devices listed on Kickstarter focusing on
minute hand control instead of the whole body. " Strangelv-1 says,
"Kinnects have been used for a lot of different things, including 3D
scanning" dcarson says, "it has a wide ability to recognize motions Mike,
lots of hacking and open source efforts witjh ti" PhilipC says, "Plus
they're relative cheap, which means that this could be scalable " MikeD-1
says, "main value of kinect is in high speed dynamic applications" PhilipC
says, "As in, I could write a few grants and bring aboard several hundred
universities or other space organizations-type of scalable" MikeD-1 says,
"not pooh poohing, just raising the point that it might be unecessarily
complicated" PhilipC says, "keep in mind that we'll be the ones hosting the
robots" Rose/Miros says, "i wanna run a toy buldozer around a sandbox in
philipc's basement" pjbanyai says, "I think I saw somewhere a wireless
device which could be placed on your arm and it would track both your
finger and arm movements." PhilipC says, "it's making the interfaces widely
available that gives this type of project the true level of influence"
Rose/Miros says, "when we get bored, which might take a long time, we can
bring other people in" Rose/Miros says, "remember, i'm easily amused"
MikeD-1 says, "yes, but if it's built for exploring or mining the lunar
surface it's not exactly going to move like the cars in need for speed"
Rose/Miros says, "we do need someone monitoring to make sure people aren't
writing dirty words in the sand and to erase if necessary" PhilipC says,
"James and Dana spoke before about bringing back the engineers, I think
this will be just the thing to do it" dcarson says, "motion tracking seems
more useful for sophisticed manipulators, bulldozer having a remote with
controls would be easier I'd think" PhilipC says, "Well we nee to wrap up
this discussion" PhilipC says, "we can always experiment with the
interface. maybe a simple keyboard & mouse would be enough in the
beginning. " PhilipC says, "the main point was simply to put this out
there, reiterate what was discussed, and see if this is doable" PhilipC
says, "It seems that most of us here are on board" MikeD-1 says, "I'm with
you on using a common interface, just not sold on kinect for this
application at this time" dcarson says, "of course kinect is COOLER so
might attract people" MikeD-1 says, "not opposed to kinect either"
Rose/Miros says, "yeah, gotta have cool" Rose/Miros says, "remember, i'm
easily amused AND entertained" PhilipC says, "before I wrap up, I want to
make a note that Jim Keravala is on the board of PISCES..." PhilipC says,
"we might be able to collaborate with them in some way. I would also be
open to the possibility of somehow having a lunar sim site near alaska,
northern canada or iceland (where they have almost 24 hour days).... but
that's for another discussion" PhilipC says, "It's been 10 minutes. Let's
move on to topic #3." PhilipC says, "James mentioned expanding the
definition of chapters" PhilipC says, "Alan and I are currently working on
revising the bylaws and we had some ideas on that." PhilipC says, "Alan are
you here?" AlanSteinberg says, "yes" AlanSteinberg says, "Ikeep forgetting
to type "say"" PhilipC says, "Would you like to share what we discussed
regarding chapters?" AlanSteinberg says, "well as stated at previous
meeting, I think we should eliminate the societies regulating of chapters"
AlanSteinberg says, "basically allowing chapters to more or less organize
and act independently" Strangelv-1 says, "We still need a recognition
sturcture" dcarson says, "just typing " works as say and is less typing"
Rose/Miros says, "otherwise we've got chapters of the moon and soup making
society" AlanSteinberg says, "actually, my theory was to not have rules for
chapters" Strangelv-1 says, "We need to be well positioned to gain
preeoxisting chaphters, as well as chapters that would not havze been
recognizable as such 25 years ago" PhilipC says, "I think what would really
make this work is if we have a forums area where people can talk"
AlanSteinberg says, "many groups allow chapters to form on an ad-hoc basis
without formal recognition" AlanSteinberg says, "the concept of forcing
chapters to be geographic based seems not to be working for the most part
anyways" PhilipC says, "A forums area would give people an opportunity to
share and communicate with one another without the need to show up at a
physical location once a month" AlanSteinberg says, "even larger groups
like NSS keep chapters but they don't really do much in person" Strangelv-1
says, "What if each chapter was recognized by motion of this body or a
committee tasked with the purpose by this body?" MikeD-1 says, "I concur
that geographical chapters are a complete flop" Rose/Miros says, "however,
there are a couple chapters who are GETTING THINGS DONE and we need tol
eave them alone" AlanSteinberg says, "the use of ad-hoc groups that can
form using the internet that are project based rather than geographic based
will be more feasable" Strangelv-1 says, "If something happens to the NSI
core, the chapters will be the only reason why NSS will continue to exist"
AlanSteinberg says, "people can meet in groups/chapters" AlanSteinberg
says, "i'm just proposing that we don't need to have chapter rules and
regulations" Strangelv-1 says, "We need to not just leave them alon, we
needto make it easier for them to participate at higher leverls"
Strangelv-1 says, "I'd rather not have an NSS style disconnect with the
chapters and the core organization increasingly wondering why the other
even exists" MikeD-1 says, "Might be an idea to have a Moon Society
Starbucks Super-chapter with multiple divisions, since people sit around in
Starbucks drinking coffee and using the internet" MikeD-1 says, "Facebook
and Twitter chapters too" Strangelv-1 says, "Whigch gives us both people
and a sponsor " Strangelv-1 says, "or potenitally a sponsor" PhilipC says,
"Instead of calling them chapters, perhaps we can call them groups"
Strangelv-1 says, "AS well as permutations we can't think of" MikeD-1 says,
"not confined to starbucks" dcarson says, "recognize and provide support
like web space and email lists to chapters but all they need to get that is
to say they are a chapter, no geographic, numbers or membership status for
members other then at least one has to be" AlanSteinberg says, "I feel like
my point is being missed... the idea is that we don't need to manage
chapters, but rather if people want to exist in a grouping they can on
their own accord" Strangelv-1 says, "Chapters is the historical term, I
would continue using that. And again, we need to be connected, just with a
new relationship" Rose/Miros says, "we still need SOME rules, or they may
not be recognizable as moon society affiliated" PhilipC says, "Ideally that
relationship wold take place in forums" PhilipC says, "and as Alan already
said, in projects" dcarson says, "and a list of existing ones that people
can seastch to see if ther is one "near" them physically, electronically or
whatever" MikeD-1 says, "if we're to provide online resources for them
there is some need for structure" Strangelv-1 says, "It would be nice if
our chapters had liasons sitting in this meeting" Strangelv-1 says, "Or
perhaps theer's a separate chapters meeting and we senda liason there"
AlanSteinberg says, "i think it's telling that none of us consider our
selfs members of a chapter" Strangelv-1 says, "I want to be, but it's
difficult givetn my candition" MikeD-1 says, "Alan and Philip, do either of
you know of any active space advocacy forums?" Strangelv-1 says, "We need
to make it easier for there to be chapters that we can join" MikeD-1 says,
"emphasis on active" PhilipC says, "I started one myself a few years ago"
Strangelv-1 says, "Ins it still active?" MikeD-1 says, "is it still
active?" Rose/Miros says, "if i'd gotten my butt in gear, i'd be sitting at
a table next weekend at bonagany trying to sell memberships to bonaventure
students and their parents" AlanSteinberg says, "Mike, know any active Moon
Society chapters?" Rose/Miros says, "but naturally, i found out...........
today" PhilipC says, "It's how I got to know Charles and the other James
(currently in the army)" Strangelv-1 says, "St Lois, Ft Worth, possibly
Houstan and Phoenix" PhilipC says, "They both joined my group" PhilipC
says, "But it eventually fizzled out for being too small" AlanSteinberg
says, "we have people, who associate with chapters, but in reality do
things themselves if they ever even do anything publicilly associted with
the society as a whole" dcarson says, "do we have current flyers that I can
drop on a freebie table at NostalgiaCon theis Frifay/" PhilipC says, "Dana,
I'll see what I can do" PhilipC says, "Alright we need to wrap this up.
Maybe we won't be able to reach a decision on this tonight. But let's keep
thinking about this." Strangelv-1 says, "We have NSS chapters that are
wanting to sign on with us but find our rules to be a show-stopper" dcarson
says, "there is a largish old SF at it, one of this years "guests" is the
original Blob" PhilipC says, "Let's move on..." MikeD-1 says, "Alan, for
the most part I couldn't be bothered with chapters as they are, since
there's only a handful" MikeD-1 says, "We lost the edge for technical
groups a long time ago and most of our lists and teams are deactivated"
MikeD-1 says, "So I'm open to ideas, and the idea of _open_ does appeal to
me" PhilipC says, "Does anyone have any announcements to make?" Strangelv-1
says, "An extended membership number might be worth having -- add our
official membership to people who are members of chapters. it could help to
sell ourselves as an organization" PhilipC says, "It's now 11 pm EDT. Would
someone like to make a motion to adjourn?" Strangelv-1 says, "so moved"
PhilipC says, "Please keep in mind that we can continue this conversation
at another time" dcarson says, "second" PhilipC says, "We are now
adjourned." PhilipC says, "Thank you all for coming." 
-- End log: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:01:45 pm ASI Meeting Server time --