-- Start log: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 9:14:59 pm ASI Meeting Server time -- 
PhilipC says, "Hello and thank you all for coming!" PhilipC says,
"I got distracted for a moment. My apologies" PhilipC says, "This is the
2013 October 16 Management Committee Meeting" PhilipC says, "For the
purpose taking attendance will all who are present please state your name
and your position" PhilipC says, "Philip Crume, Chairman" Scottyg says,
"Scotty Gammenthaler, Assistant Treasurer" Lunadyne has arrived. Lunadyne
says, "Howdy everyone!" PhilipC says, "Ken, we are taking attendance. Great
timing!" Lunadyne says, "Ken Murphy, President" Strangelv-1 says, "James
Gholston, secretary" pjbanyai says, "Paul Banyai, Vice-President"
AlanSteinberg says, "Alan Steinberg, Director" dcarson says, "Dana Carson
Treseurer" PhilipC says, "That leaves Rose, Ben, and Jim." PhilipC says,
"It appears that we have quorum. " PhilipC says, "Dana, were you able to
get through to Jim?" dcarson says, "not yet" Rose/Miros has arrived.
dcarson says, "will send a email" PhilipC says, "Hi Rose, we're taking
attendance" Strangelv-1 says, "Does anyone have his phone number? I seem to
remember someoen having it earlier" PhilipC says, "And that's Rose. Our
Secretary, James Gholston, sent us the minutes for the last meeting. I
would like to direct all of you to your emails and to ask you to review the
minutes. " Strangelv-1 just got an email from Ken; does that count? PhilipC
says, "I got a hold of Jim in the last few minutes. He's waiting to get
connected." Lunadyne says, "That's the ad for the comic." PhilipC says,
"Does anyone have any questions about the minutes?" Lunadyne says,
"Reviewed. No issues." AlanSteinberg says, "looks good" dcarson says,
"looks fine" PhilipC says, "If there are no issues, would someone like to
make a motion to approve the minutes?" Lunadyne says, "so move" PhilipC
says, "Second?" Rose/Miros says, "second" AlanSteinberg says, "second"
PhilipC says, "Any further discussion?" Rose/Miros says, "call the
question?" pjbanyai says, "Jim sent a reply to the reminder saying he was
flying back to SF last night and would be in the meeting. It is possible he
did not realize that the time posted was for Eastern Time." PhilipC says,
"All in favor of approving the minutes for the 2013 October 2 Management
Committee Meeting, please say aye. All opposed nay. All abstentions
abstain." Strangelv-1 says, "abstain" AlanSteinberg says, "aye" PhilipC
says, "abstain" Lunadyne says, "aye" dcarson says, "aye" PhilipC says, "Two
votes are unaccounted for" PhilipC says, "Rose and Paul, what say you?""
PhilipC says, "With 7 voting members in attendance, we really need Rose or
Paul to vote." pjbanyai says, "Jim is in the Commons" PhilipC says, "Paul,
the vote on approving the minutes of the last meeting is still on the
floor" pjbanyai says, "aye" PhilipC says, "The motion carries." Strangelv-1
says, "HE's logged in as a guest and the room isn't letting him in" Jim
[Guest] arrives. PhilipC says, "Hello Jim!" Strangelv-1 says, "Yay!"
Strangelv-1 updates the minutes to full attendance Jim [Guest] says,
"Hello!!" Jim [Guest] ) Jim [Guest] says, "made it - apologies for transit
time!" PhilipC says, "Jim, we've just taken attendance. If you can state
your name and position (director). we can list you as being present" Jim
[Guest] says, "Jim Keravala, Director present" Lunadyne says, "Welcome
Director Jim!" dcarson says, "welcome to the moo" Jim [Guest] says, "thanks
all!" PhilipC says, "you can type "@who" to find out who's here and their
names" Jim [Guest] says, "great thanks!" Jim [Guest] says, "great to see
you all" PhilipC says, "Now just to remind everyone, the floor is now open
for five minutes to discuss the agenda." PhilipC says, "We have the last
breath ad. Is there anything else?" pjbanyai says, "Hi Jim. For future
reference you can login to the MOO with your teamdir username of Jimnexus.
Teamdir will usually automatically allow you into any MOO room linked to a
team that you are a member of." Strangelv-1 says, "I wish to have an idem
for ammending the chapter rules as discussed prior to the meeting"
Strangelv-1 says, "Item, too" PhilipC says, "Chapter rules." Jim [Guest]
says, "ok thanks Paul" PhilipC says, "perhaps we can discuss one of the
changes to the bylaws that Alan and I have been working on" Strangelv-1 has
no objection Strangelv-1 says, "WE might also want to discuss the ad that
Ken emailed" AlanSteinberg says, "Philip I'd rather we just deal with
chapter rules tonight and move to bylaws some other time once people hvae
actually read them" PhilipC says, "Alright, we can discuss it at another
meeting then" pjbanyai says, "I have setup Google Apps for Nonprofits using
a file for domain verification. I will try to import users from Teamdir
using a crv file. Until dns/mx records can be setup many features like
email will not work properly. Since email can be sent by Google apps but
not currently receieved, we will still not have a working official
replacement for our current mailing lists. However, I should still be able
to setup Google Drive so that we can all access and work on files as a
team." PhilipC says, "Speaking of meetings, I would also like to have a
little time to discuss the change to our meeting schedule" PhilipC says,
"Paul, do you need time on the agenda to discuss that?" pjbanyai says, "Not
really, that pretty much covers it." PhilipC says, "Okay, we need to start
wrapping it up. It's been five minutes." PhilipC says, "So far we have:"
PhilipC says, "1) Last Breath Ad" PhilipC says, "2) Chapter rules" PhilipC
says, "3) Meeting schedule change" PhilipC says, "If you would like, we can
give Jim a quick overview of what we're doing." PhilipC says, "Alright
let's get started." Jim [Guest] says, "most welcome, thanks" PhilipC says,
"Ken, do you have anything for the Membership committee report?" Lunadyne
says, "Pulling up info..." Lunadyne says, "Membership is at 152, down one
from the last meeting." Lunadyne says, "Basically flat." Lunadyne says,
"Hopefully that will go up when the ad runs." Lunadyne says, "Any
questions?" Strangelv-1 says, "Just very grad that we don't have the NSS's
problem" Jim [Guest] says, "just so i'm clear, what's the problem they
have?" Lunadyne says, "Yeah, which one?" Strangelv-1 says, "Plummeting
membership" Rose/Miros says, "money that burned holes in their pockets all
the way to their toes" Lunadyne says, "What are they down to now?"
Strangelv-1 says, "Is the one I was thinking of it this context. The
bysavtine leadership structure, attrition rate of chapters, money problems
-- I must admit I'm glad we don't have those problems either." Lunadyne
says, "Prudent, conservative leadership..." PhilipC says, "The NSS's
problem is that they're too focused on NASA and US space policy" PhilipC
says, "Hopefully with what we're starting to put into the pipeline, we'll
become the minnow that eats the whale" Strangelv-1 says, "That's another
probrlem which doesn't help their chapterls, which never had that focus"
Strangelv-1 says, "At least not the old ones" Lunadyne says, "Amongst other
problems. HQ (NSI) never cultivated the chapters (L-5 Society), to the
detriment of both." Strangelv-1 says, "Another reason for us to grab those
chapters" PhilipC says, "Let's not use this time to focus on NSS and keep
the conversation limited to our own members" Strangelv-1 mentally wraps up
his giving of thanks Lunadyne says, "Agreed. I'm with Peter, in that we
need to make it as easy as possible for people to join and get active. "
Jim [Guest] says, "i think the problem also extends to the fact that
societies used to be the primary means of communication for vertical
sectors. Now the internet has liberated the communications so it is harder
for organisations to capture the same proportion of membership. It's also
quite likely their leadership is still trying to address the problem with
outdated solutions; potentially useful lessons to be learned" PhilipC says,
"Jim, we're in the middle of that very transition ourselves." Jim [Guest]
says, "for sure" Jim [Guest] says, "affects us all" Strangelv-1 says, "Or
trying to find our way to the middle" Lunadyne says, "Well, as I noted at
FenCon on a panel, kids these days will like, friend, +1, thumbs up, and so
forth, but they won't actually commit." Strangelv-1 says, "This said, in
one sense we've always been on the Internet" PhilipC says, "We can discuss
this in great depth during the last agenda item. We need to move things
along now" Strangelv-1 says, "Starting from the wvery beginning. Dana was
there for that." PhilipC says, "Ken, do you yield the floor?" Lunadyne
says, "Yup." PhilipC says, "Thank you." PhilipC says, "Dana, would you like
to give a treasurer's report?" dcarson says, "had to resend the MMM check,
they had changed the formal name of the org and had a new bank account"
dcarson says, "otherwise normal evnets" dcarson says, "questions?" Lunadyne
says, "Has the Last Breath check cleared?" dcarson says, "they siad they
got it, haven't seen it clear yet" PhilipC says, "Are there any other
questions for Dana?" Strangelv-1 has none PhilipC says, "Dan, do you yield
the floor?" PhilipC says, "*Dana" dcarson says, "yes" PhilipC says, "Thank
you." PhilipC says, "Rose, if you're present, would you like to discuss the
website?" Rose/Miros says, "Basically, we're all unwinding from the big
push" Rose/Miros says, "dealing with other commitments, hopefully we can
get back in gear again" PhilipC says, "We still have content from the old
site that we need to copy to the new one" PhilipC says, "Any help we can
get would be appreciated" Rose/Miros says, "anyhow, if anyone has any
complaints about the website, come up with specific things to change or
concept art or something at least semi concrete" Rose/Miros says,
"idunlikeit" don't fly" Lunadyne says, "No existentialist griping?"
Rose/Miros says, "no griping, period" dcarson says, "can you upload images
yet?" Lunadyne says, "Still want a calendar." Rose/Miros says, "yikes, that
slipped my mind, I did ask mike about it" Rose/Miros says, "ok, those are
concrete" Rose/Miros says, "lemme grab paper" Rose/Miros scribbles uploads
and calendar Strangelv-1 says, "Needing regular new announcements. Our
current announcement is about a past tense event" Scottyg says, "I fixed
the problem where the /images directory was inaccessible. It was a
permissions problem." Rose/Miros says, "one sec" PhilipC says, "While we're
waiting" Strangelv-1 says, "I've still not learned what I need to know to
solve the front page limitations" PhilipC says, "Does anyone have any
comments about the proposed logos I made a week ago?" Strangelv-1 says,
"One problem is it looks like a swoosh. That's something we should have
added to the agenda. Should we do so now?" PhilipC says, "I forgot to add
that to the agenda" PhilipC says, "Would everyone be willing to add that as
another agenda item?" Lunadyne says, "I prefer waxing cresecents to waning
crescents. More of a concept of starting something than something ending.
Besides, Lunar Lore indicates it's best to start projects under a waxing
crescent." pjbanyai says, "That swoosh logo is also already used by
space.com." Strangelv-1 has comments but can wait until we reach that
agenda item PhilipC says, "Let's refrain from further discussion on the
proposed logo. " Rose/Miros says, "sorry, hub has no respect" PhilipC says,
"Would you all be willing to add the logo discussion as another agenda
item?" Strangelv-1 nods. Rose/Miros says, "anyhow, any other concrete
requests?" dcarson says, "http://www.space.com/images/site/space-logo.png"
Strangelv-1 has nothing to add or ask about the web report at this time.
Rose/Miros says, "anyhow, we're still working on testbed.moonsociety.org as
well" Rose/Miros says, "we do need a place to play and or work without
breaking the real site" PhilipC says, "We need to start wrapping up the
website report" PhilipC says, "Rose, do you have anything else?" PhilipC
says, "Are there any other further questions for Rose?" Rose/Miros says,
"didn't mean to part your hair scotty, but we had to get out of the whole
test.moonsociety.org vs moonsociety.org vs whatever deadlock" Rose/Miros
says, "archive.moonsociety.org" pjbanyai says, "While attachements do not
seem posible for some reason, it is still possible to add linked images. So
attachements can be uploaded with ftp/wsd or with Google Drive and placed
in a Drupal page or article." Rose/Miros says, "it probably needs yet
another module" Rose/Miros says, "there is a "file import" module which
attaches an ftp'ed file to a page as an attachment" PhilipC says,
"Technical discussions can take a lot of time. Let's continue those
discussions via email" Rose/Miros says, "or in the commons, but not
tomorrow" PhilipC says, "Rose, if you have nothing else, do you yield the
floor?" Rose/Miros says, "sure" PhilipC says, "Thank you" PhilipC says, "On
to agenda item 1) Last Breath Ad" PhilipC says, "Ken, you have the floor"
Lunadyne says, "I circulated the ad this evening to leaders@moonsociety.info.
Did everyone get it?" Jim [Guest] says, "yes" Jim [Guest] says, "(well, i
got it at least)" Lunadyne says, "Good enough. This was prepared by the
artist, Ray Cassell, based on my specs as we had previously discussed."
PhilipC says, "Very nice. Would be nicer if we could change the logo..."
Strangelv-1 looks at it again PhilipC says, "But I digress" Lunadyne says,
"We still have some time to do so, if we can get a logo done quickly."
Strangelv-1 says, "Yeah, the logo is the only signigficant issue I have
with it and it's not really fixable short of not including one at all"
dcarson says, "the QR code takes me to the Moon Scoiety homepage correctly"
Strangelv-1 claps. Lunadyne says, "Thank Ray for that." Jim [Guest] says,
"well, i'd like to comment on that - the image is beautifully rendered. It
makes the logo look pedestrian in comparison. " Strangelv-1 almost says
something Rose did, but that's for the Logo agenda item Strangelv-1 says,
"Make the logo a lot smaller?" Strangelv-1 says, "...Or drop it
altogether?" Lunadyne says, "Well then perhaps we should move on to the
logo item if that's the only issue with the ad." Strangelv-1 says, "What
about the typeface?" Jim [Guest] says, "Ken, can your artist propose some
logo concepts?" Jim [Guest] says, "having a moon image with cutnpaste text
doesn't do justice to MS potential" Lunadyne says, "How much we willing to
spend?" Jim [Guest] says, "i'll add $25 to the pot" Jim [Guest] says, "for
logo work" Strangelv-1 says, "If we're discussing the logo, Rose has been
in contact with at artist who's interested in tackling it" PhilipC says,
"Jim, we have money. It's just a matter of someone doing it" Jim [Guest]
says, "understood" Jim [Guest] says, "ok" Lunadyne says, "We don't have
unlimited money. I would like some budgetary envelope defined before we get
all ambitious." PhilipC says, "Perhaps, we can have a logo contest and then
let the members vote on which one they like best?" Rose/Miros says, "james
you're ahead of amanda" pjbanyai says, "I think the footprints logo would
work better than the nearside logo for the ad." Rose/Miros says, "i haven't
heard from her yet" Strangelv-1 says, "I tried to create one per what Rose
indicated in her email, but I'm kind of distracted right now with other
commitments. Rose's ocntact might be willing to work just for the portfolio
item and if approved the feather in her proverbial cap" Strangelv-1 says,
"Okay" Jim [Guest] says, "i think for under $100 an artist should be able
to sketch 10-20 versions and have us downselect" Rose/Miros says, "she's
read the message, but not replied" Jim [Guest] says, "...and then complete
the chosen version" Strangelv-1 says, "Logo and similar contests don't work
well with us, as they tend to exclude by necessity the people wost
motivated to do it" Strangelv-1 says, "if we held one, it might be best to
not exclude officers and board members from entering and winnin,g just from
claiming any prize" PhilipC says, "If you want to rely on another artist
that would be fine with me. The logo that I put forth gets some of the
elements that I would like to see. Minimalist/futuristic/sci-fi" Rose/Miros
says, "lunar based" PhilipC says, "If I entered my proposals, I would
obviously recuse myself from voting" PhilipC says, "As chair, I don't vote
anyway so it washes out" Strangelv-1 says, "My nits are different than
Rose's. Swooshes (crescents), circles, and spheres, whiche highly
appropriate for us, are overused by unimaginative corporations. I used to
believe the worst sin a logo or mascot could be guilty of was to be
forgettable. I was wrong" pjbanyai says, "It is possible to have a poll
contest on Facebook." PhilipC says, "So I'l throw this back to all of you,
what action would you like to take at this time? To commission an artist to
give us a portfolio of possibilities?" PhilipC says, "An open art contest?"
Strangelv-1 says, "Even worse: being invisible. The viewer's subconsious
blots it out as irrelevant background and they don't even notice it at all"
bnault has arrived. PhilipC says, "How do you want to make or narrow down
the final entries?" Lunadyne says, "Hi Ben, we're discussing logos."
Strangelv-1 missed when Ben disconnected bnault says, "thanks sorry new
win8 laptop does not behave..." Lunadyne says, "I like a Facebook poll for
the final entries. That seems to be our biggest audience at the moment."
Strangelv-1 says, "Oh, he wasn't here before." PhilipC says, "NOTE - Ben
Nault, Director has arrived. We now have full attendance."" Strangelv-1
cheers loudly. Strangelv-1 says, "as many here know, I consider our 2000
logo that we're still using to basically be a non-logo. One important
element of being a logo that most of my past submissions for a logo have
failed on (in addition to tending to be spheres) is that they're not vector
images or readily convertibel to vector images" PhilipC says, "We have a
few warm regards to the ideas that are floating around. But we need to nail
this down to something actionable." PhilipC says, "We need a source for our
logo art work portfolio. Either a commissioned artist or an open contest"
Strangelv-1 and Simon Rowland were given the logo action item in 2000. He
regrets that neither he nor Simon got anything that the board at the time
would approve. dcarson says, "a nice color image for web pages and such and
a black and white version for letterhaed, tshirts etc" PhilipC says, "Next
we need a way to evaluate it. Either a committee of disinterested/objective
mgmt committee members here or to throw the evaluation to our supporters on
the FB page" Rose/Miros says, "no, we have to narrow down first, then fb
poll" Lunadyne says, "were we to spend say, $100 on the logo, I would want
that divvied up amonngst a couple of folks to provide competing designs.
Then we have a Facebook competition to choose the best one." Rose/Miros
says, "if we invite open critisizm it just gets nasty" PhilipC says, "true"
PhilipC says, "basic criteria for me is that it should have a wow factor,
be iconic, use a symbol of the Moon rather than the real thing. I want it
to impress the mac crowd" Rose/Miros wants it lunar based Strangelv-1 says,
"A stylized wversion of the surface? Possibyl with something on the
surface? Historically, our signature thing to put on the surface would be
Artemis Base" PhilipC says, "A barely relevant side note, we will soon have
access to NASA's image server (the House just voted to end the shutdown)"
pjbanyai says, "We do not need to use a single logo for everything. We
could designate certain uses for certain logos. For example a mobile logo
vs a fullsite logo." Strangelv-1 says, "I suspect we'd want those to be
variants of the same design, just handled differently -- a colorful PNG or
SVG in one case, a stark black and white on in another, something to screen
print on a dark surface, et c." PhilipC says, "Any other criteria?"
Rose/Miros says, "i think kathy could deal with artemis base, as long as it
looks akin to the apollo equipment" Rose/Miros says, "kathy is my friend i
showed james' logo to" Rose/Miros says, "apollo equipment=erector set look"
PhilipC says, "Perhaps instead of paying for a commission for a portfolio,
we can pay a reasonable amount for an approved logo" Strangelv-1 wonders if
anyone here saw his emailed logo draft. HE's not heard any nits about it.
HE's happy to share blame for the colors with Rose, though PhilipC says, "I
think up to $250 would be reasonable considering that it would be plastered
over everything we do." Strangelv-1 says, "Only if wne really like, it
though" PhilipC says, "agreed" Strangelv-1 says, "Something that's better
than what we're currentyl using isn't much of a hurdle, as almwost anything
would be better" PhilipC says, "let them give us a portfolio and we should
pay for what we use" Strangelv-1 says, "ie everything rejected by various
incarnations of the board from 2002ish through 2008 or so" PhilipC says,
"We need to wrap this up or move on. Rose, can you contact your friend, ask
for a portfolio of possibilities and ask her to offer a variety based on
the criteria that we give her " Strangelv-1 says, "Something that i hepled
get passed when an organization needed to replace its slogan was to get a
motion to drop the existing slogan before voting on the new one. None Of
the Above von the vote, and most people consider no slogan a dramatic
improvement over the controversial one..." Strangelv-1 says, "Otherwise
we'd still be stuck with it" PhilipC says, "Would someone like to make a
motion on what I just said?" PhilipC says, "If not, we need to move on"
Rose/Miros says, "as long as there's no money up front, do we need a
motion?" Strangelv-1 is- too asleep to assemble it, but might be able to
copy and paste it into the minutes if it's phrosed clearly enough PhilipC
says, "No money up front" Rose/Miros says, "she's a college student,
windfalls are great" Strangelv-1 says, "That might be consistent with not
needing a motion" PhilipC says, "But up to $250 if we like it" PhilipC
says, "Fair enough. Rose, run with it. Let's move on" Rose/Miros says, "ok,
i'll talk to her, use handwavy stuff about how much" PhilipC says, "3)
Chapter Rules" PhilipC says, "James or Ken? " Rose/Miros says, "sorry, i
have to go" PhilipC says, "Thank you for coming" Strangelv-1 looks for his
notes AlanSteinberg has disconnected. Strangelv-1 says, "I move to change
the second sentence in paragraph 1 to read as follows: "A
single-organizational chapter with less than three members is designated an
outpust but does not have official chapter status. A multi-organizational
chapter with two Moon Society members qualifies for official chapter
status."" Strangelv-1 looks for a second Strangelv-1 says, "MAybe I also
need to rephrase." Strangelv-1 says, "I move to change the second sentence
in paragraph 1 of the chapter rules to read as follows: "A
single-organizational chapter with less than three members is designated an
outpust but does not have official chapter status. A multi-organizational
chapter with two Moon Society members qualifies for official chapter
status."" pjbanyai says, "second" Strangelv-1 says, "Thank you. Any
discussion or nits or similar?" Strangelv-1 says, "Does anyone need me to
speak for the motion?" Strangelv-1 says, "Or do we pretty much all
understand it well enough by now?" The housekeeper arrives to cart
AlanSteinberg off to bed. PhilipC says, "NOTE- Rose and Alan are not
present. We have 7 voting members."" PhilipC says, "If there are no further
questions, would someone like to call the question?" Lunadyne says, "Call
it." pjbanyai says, "Silence seems to mean that we have had several people
dropped who need to log back in. As evidenced by Alan being carted off to
bed." PhilipC says, "Please state your preference for James' motion: aye,
nay, or abstain" Strangelv-1 says, "Aye" bnault says, "aye" pjbanyai says,
"aye" dcarson says, "aye" Lunadyne says, "aye" PhilipC says, "Jim, what say
you?" PhilipC says, "He seems to be indisposed at the moment. He can answer
when he returns." PhilipC says, "As chair, I have to abstain." PhilipC
says, "The motion carries." Strangelv-1 says, "Chair plus votes is a quorum
of our membership" pjbanyai says, "He and Scotty have not been active for
over 30 minutes. Probably dropped. " PhilipC says, "Moving on." Scottyg
says, "I'm here." Jim [Guest] says, "aye" PhilipC says, "Agenda Item 4)
Change in meeting schedule" AlanSteinberg has arrived. Strangelv-1 says,
"wb" AlanSteinberg says, "sorry about that, computer issue" Strangelv-1
says, "Should we get Alan's vote?" PhilipC says, "Alan, we just voted on
James' motion to alter the chapter rules" Strangelv-1: You say, "I move to
change the second sentence in paragraph 1 of the chapter rules to read as
follows: "A single-organizational chapter with less than three members is
designated an outpust but does not have official chapter status. A
multi-organizational chapter with two Moon Society members qualifies for
official chapter status."" PhilipC says, "James, would you like to repeat
the motion so that Alan can vote on it?" PhilipC says, "Paul seconded it,
except for my abstention as chair, the motion so far has been unanimous"
PhilipC says, "Alan?" PhilipC says, "We can note his vote in the minutes.
We need to move on. Agenda item 4) Change in the meeting schedule"
AlanSteinberg says, "sorry, having issue... aye" PhilipC says, "At the last
meeting, we agreed to move from a bi-weekly to a monthly meeting schedule
with meetings to take place on the 3rd Wednesday of every month." Jim
[Guest] says, "always 9pm EDT?" PhilipC says, "I realized after looking at
the schedule for November that the third Wed. falls on the day before
Thanksgiving." PhilipC says, "I would suggest moving to the 2nd Wed."
PhilipC says, "Being that it's earlier in the month, it should be easier to
remember." Lunadyne says, "Jim, yest they're always at 9pm Eastern time"
Strangelv-1 wonders how many people here know how we arrived out our
present meeting schedule Lunadyne says, "I don't." PhilipC says, "We could
move to a different day and time to make it easier for folks like Jim to
attend our meetings" Jim [Guest] says, "thanks Ken" PhilipC says, "I'd like
to open the floor for 5 minutes to see what everyone thinks?" PhilipC says,
"Would meeting on the 2nd Wednesday be more amenable to everyone?" Jim
[Guest] says, "the 2nd wednesday arrangement should be ok; it's just a case
of communicating clearly (especially to us newbies)" Strangelv-1 says, "If
I corlrectyl understand, it was originally the Artemis Society meeting on
the first and third wednesdays, and the Artemis Project meeting on second
and fourth wednesdays. When the Moon Society was added to the mix, the moon
Society met on first and third wednesdays with ASI meeting on the last
Wednesday -- making it two meetings on the last Wednesday if there were
only four Wednesdays that month." PhilipC says, "Jim, we currently meet at
9 pm EDT (-04 UST)" AlanSteinberg says, "Wed at 9 EST seems to be working
for me, which Wed doesn't really matter " Lunadyne says, "I'm good for 2nd
Wed. of each month." Lunadyne says, "Would the quarterly BoD meetings still
be on the 3rd Wed.?" PhilipC says, "However, 9 PM EDT (-04 UST) = 3 PM HAST
(-10 UST)" PhilipC says, "Quarterly board meetings would also adjust to the
2nd Wed." Strangelv-1 says, "How are our meeting times set? Are they in the
bylaws? Is control over their times assigned by the bylaws?" PhilipC says,
"Meeting times are "standing rules" or customs that can be adjusted
whenever we like" Strangelv-1 says, "It's also in the wee hours of the
morning in Ireland" Strangelv-1 says, "Which is one of the reasons Mike
attending a meeting has mecome a rarity" dcarson says, "9PM meant that it
was a bit early after work for west coast but not ungodly late for Ireland"
pjbanyai says, "Change from Management Meeting being first and third week
to only third week. With a lesser committee and sub-committee meeting
taking place the first week. Currently there is no set meeting day for
other meetings. The annual meeting is set for the second week of the third
quarter. We have also had our town meetings the second week of the other
quarters. " Strangelv-1 says, "With Dale Amon being teh one in Ireland at
the time" PhilipC says, "If we had our meetings on a Saturday, we could
meet at say 9 AM HAST = 3 PM EDT = 7 PM UST" Strangelv-1 says, "Saturdays
are the day most likely to have a collision for me." bnault says, "let's
not change too much at once...2nd Wed 9pm sounds reasonable as a trial"
Strangelv-1 says, "GFor example, on the second saturday of next mont I will
probabyl be in another city sitting in a room in a convention center."
Scottyg says, "Saturday & Sunday don't work very well for me." PhilipC
says, "It's a thought" Lunadyne says, "I move we try 2nd Wed. of Nov. as
our next meeting." PhilipC says, "Any second?" Jim [Guest] says, "eacond"
Jim [Guest] says, "second even" pjbanyai says, "That is supposed to be our
next town hall meeting." Lunadyne says, "Again? Didn't we just have one of
those?" PhilipC says, "Any further discussion?" AlanSteinberg says, "I feel
like we are having our annual town hall every 2-3 months" Strangelv-1 tries
to get the exact wording of the motion. is it: to try 2nd Wednesday of
November as our next meeting. PhilipC says, "Paul, we have enough time.
Perhaps we can move that meeting to the first Wed" Lunadyne says, ""I move
we try 2nd Wed. of Nov. as our next meeting."" Strangelv-1 says, "Hopefulyl
we won't have a wvisitor stranded in the Commons and giving up like at the
annual meeting" Lunadyne says, "Alan, feels like every other month."
pjbanyai says, "That was the official Annual Meeting. It is like the NSS
ISDC meeting and Mars Society Annual meetings. We just do not have a
conference hall." Strangelv-1 adds 'we' for a less formal structure but
wonders if he at least has permission to unabbreviate words Strangelv-1: *
Ken Murphy moved we try 2nd Wednesday of November as our next meeting. ?
PhilipC says, "We need to wrap this up. Our meeting is already 10 minutes
over schedule" pjbanyai says, "The Town Hall meetings are on Facebook." Jim
[Guest] says, "seconded ken's motion" PhilipC says, "We have a motion on
the floor that has been seconded. Let's call the question." Strangelv-1
says, "NWhich is wh5p I've not attended one for awhile" PhilipC says,
"Please state your vote for the motion to adjust meetings to the 2nd
Wednesday of every month, effective November 13." PhilipC says, "Aye, nay,
or abstain?" AlanSteinberg says, "aye" Strangelv-1 still objects to the
grammar bnault says, "aye" Lunadyne says, "Aye" Jim [Guest] says, "aye"
Strangelv-1 says, "abstain" dcarson says, "aye" PhilipC says, "As chair, I
must abstain" PhilipC says, "That's 5 ayes, and 2 abstentions" PhilipC
says, "Paul, what say you?" PhilipC says, "We can record his answer for the
minutes. The motion carries." Strangelv-1 notes that if he correctly
understands as phrased, this motion expires with the next meeting. pjbanyai
says, "The next board meeting is the following week" Lunadyne says,
"Correct." PhilipC says, "As of this time, the only thing left to discuss
is a summary of where we are as an organization for Jim. But I think we can
discuss this informally after the meeting." PhilipC says, "This concludes
the agenda. Are there any objections to adjourning at this time?" PhilipC
says, "Can I motion to adjourn?" dcarson says, "always" Strangelv-1 wonders
if we need to rearrange anything else. Like the board meeting AlanSteinberg
says, "motion to move the board meeting to the 2nd Wed as well" PhilipC
says, "Any second?" Strangelv-1 says, "second" Strangelv-1 says, "Question"
Lunadyne says, "Ayer" AlanSteinberg says, "aye" Strangelv-1 says, "I sohuld
ahave asked before seconding" PhilipC says, "Aye, nay, or abstain?" Jim
[Guest] says, "aye" dcarson says, "aye" Strangelv-1 says, "Is thids also
only for the next board meeting or is this a motion to change permanantly?"
bnault says, "aye" Strangelv-1 says, "...which could make us out of ynch if
we don't make a motion at the next meeting about the management meeting"
PhilipC says, "We can resolve that at the BoD meeting" pjbanyai says, "The
idea of the town hall meeting taking place the week before was so the board
could discuss what members discussed about. We will have to also change the
town hall meeting. I had planned on posting the reminder/invite tonight."
Strangelv-1 says, "I can't vote if I don't understand the motion"
AlanSteinberg says, "technically only the board votes to move the board
meeting, and we probably can't even make such a motion at a management
meeting based upon our bylaws" PhilipC says, "James, I would presume the
narrowest definition, which would be a one time event in the case of the
BoD meeting, which can determine its own schedule " Strangelv-1 says,
"Should me take that as a point of order?" Strangelv-1 says, "we?" PhilipC
says, "Since a director made the motion, I think it carries a little more
weight" Strangelv-1 says, "I abstain" Strangelv-1 says, "As- I'm not a
director" AlanSteinberg says, "for the sake of argument, consider it an
informal poll of board members to move this one meeting to that one
Wednesday" PhilipC says, "Again as chair I must abstain. But the motion
carries" PhilipC says, "Do you also want to take a vote to move the town
hall meeting?" PhilipC [to the]: 1st wed? PhilipC says, "to the 1st wed?""
AlanSteinberg says, "I don't see why we are having a town hall" Strangelv-1
says, "DOes this look accurate to you?" Strangelv-1 *Alan Steinberg moved
to move the board meeting to the 2nd Wednesday of November. PhilipC says,
"They're generally used to give members an opportunity to voice concerns
that can get the ear of the bod before we meet" Lunadyne says, "Because we
always have town halls! Given recent attendance, we can probably do those
semi-annually." AlanSteinberg says, "well acording to our bylaws "The Board
of Directors shall hold regular meetings at least quarterly at a time and
place mutually agreeable to the Directors." we don't actually need a motion
for it" PhilipC says, "again, townhalls are for members to communicate with
the board" Strangelv-1 says, "Actually, the town halls were on outgrowth of
complying with the requirement for an annual meeting. The first or second
one was enough of a success that we started having them freqjuently, then
reduced the frequency to once a quarter when we found we were holding them
too often" AlanSteinberg says, "we just need to do it, so it was more of an
informal poll, not a need to be in the minutes. " PhilipC says, "We need to
give a 10 day notice" AlanSteinberg says, "in that case, I suggest tabling
of a town hall until 2014" AlanSteinberg says, "rather than rush to have a
town hall " PhilipC says, "I don't see how it can hurt. It makes little
difference either way to me" Strangelv-1 says, "My inclination is to
abstain on this issue as it's never been my action item to organize or run
or schedule them" PhilipC says, "But we need to wrap things up. We're
already about 25 minutes past our meeting schedule " Strangelv-1 says,
"...And after they were moved to Facebook, it become too problematic to
attempt to attend them. We've had shadow town halls in the MOO on at least
one occasion though" Strangelv-1 says, "With different participants who
woren't MOO regulars" Strangelv-1 says, "Move to adjourn" PhilipC says,
"Second?" Lunadyne says, "Second" PhilipC says, "We are now adjourned at
11:24 EDT. Thank you all for coming. " 
-- End log: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 11:25:16 pm ASI Meeting Server time --