-- Start log: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:03:42 pm ASI Meeting Server time-- 
Scottyg has arrived. Scottyg says, "Hi all!" PhilipC says, "Welcome
Scotty" Scottyg says, "I have news - Randall has promised to join us
tonight." Rose/Miros says, "woot" Scottyg says, "And I think the web-team
mail list is working now." MikeD arrives. Scottyg says, "woot?" Rose/Miros
says, "cheering" Rose/Miros cheers loudly. Rose/Miros says, "i forge t i
can do tha t here" Scottyg says, "Oooook." Rose/Miros says, "just a
warning, i had far too many carbs today, so i may make unannounced trips to
the bathroom. if i don't answer, wait 2 minutes and poke me" MikeD says,
"then there's her quota shortage thanks to all the recordings" Scottyg
says, "I have to bail out about 9:45 CDT but I'm good till then."
Rose/Miros says, "this is only the 3rd one" PhilipC says, "it looks like
most of us are here" PhilipC says, "shall we start?" Rose/Miros says, "dana
and james" PhilipC says, "is there any way to get their attention?"
Rose/Miros says, "i just paged them" Scottyg says, "They show as inactive
for about 1/2 hour." PhilipC says, "yeah i'm reading it too" Rose/Miros
says, "ok, they can join in if t hey wake up" PhilipC says, "Ok then, then
let's begin." PhilipC says, "I call the Web Committee meeting to order."
PhilipC says, "A quick roll call of current members are: " PhilipC says,
"Philip Crume, Chair of Committee" PhilipC hands Rose/Miros a beautiful
yellow @}-->----- PhilipC says, "Scotty Gammenthaler" Scottyg says, "Scotty
Gammenthaler here." Rose/Miros says, "rose dieteman here" PhilipC says,
"Mike Delaney" PhilipC says, "Apologies, Rose Dieteman" MikeD says, "thats
me" PhilipC says, "and I think that's everyone who is present." Scottyg
says, "Philip, try starting the recorder with "start recorder"" Rose/Miros
says, "i started it" Rose/Miros says, "i think" Rose/Miros says, "2audit
me" PhilipC says, "Not authorized" Scottyg says, "Oh, ok I guess that was
before I got here." PhilipC says, "Continuing..." Rose/Miros says, "hmm,
the log esists, but it's not in t he recorder?" PhilipC says, "On October
17, the Mgmt. Committee authorized this committee. Afterwards, we briefly
met and announced our agenda for tonight" PhilipC says, "Namely, that we
agreed that we would attempt to track down all web assets and discuss them
tonight.." PhilipC says, "The agenda thus far is:" Rose/Miros says, "let me
stop the recorder and restart" 
-- End log: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:14:14 pm ASI Meeting Server time --

-- Start log: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:14:38 pm ASI Meeting Server time-- 
PhilipC says, "The agenda for this meeting is:" MikeD says, "the
recorder was already on when I came in" PhilipC says, "1) Discuss web
assets" PhilipC says, "2) Plan the next meeting at which we will discuss
all of the most up-to-date substitutes for those assets (whether can afford
them or not)" PhilipC says, "Does this sound like a reasonable plan?"
Rose/Miros says, "yes" Scottyg says, "Yes, I think so. Can you repeat where
the current list is stored?" PhilipC says, "My plan of attack wrt the web
transfer is to track down what we have, identify the most up to date
substitutes or superior replacements, identify which ones we want to
utilize, submit our proposal to the Mgmt. Committee" PhilipC says, "and
with their green light develop a strategy for the transfer" PhilipC says,
"Does this sound reasonable to you?" Rose/Miros says, "there will also be a
lot of grunt work, copy, paste, tidy format, fix links, etc" Scottyg says,
"I would add list the resources needed to accomplish the transfer." PhilipC
says, "http://www.moonsociety.org/private/leaders/Assets" MikeD says, "has
anyone given any thought to doing the paperwork to get free hosting from
Dreamhost?" PhilipC says, "let's put that on hold for now. it's definitely
on the list" PhilipC says, "ideally we should compare the pros and cons
between free vs. paid" Rose/Miros says, "ithought we had to get thebooks
audit ed firs t" Rose/Miros says, "the guidestar thing" PhilipC says, "For
now, do we have any other list of web assets beyond the link I just
provided?" dcarson has arrived. dcarson says, "sorry distracted by company"
Rose/Miros says, "won't open for me" dcarson says, "what won't open?"
Rose/Miros says, "does that list include the domains currently registered
to james gholston?" MikeD says, "probably not a member of leaders team"
Rose/Miros says, "Esclignac" Rose/Miros hmms. Rose/Miros says, "
http://www.moonsociety.org/private/leaders/Assets" PhilipC says, "A quick
reading:" PhilipC says, "Amazon" PhilipC says, "moonsociety info - google
apps" PhilipC says, "Cafe press - Apollo Moon Party" PhilipC says, "Causes
- Partner Center" PhilipC says, "causes - MoonSociety Cause" PhilipC says,
"Causes - Lunarpedia Cause" PhilipC says, "chartingimpact.org" PhilipC
says, "guidestar.org" PhilipC says, "linkedin.com" PhilipC says, "
myspace.com" PhilipC says, "twitter" PhilipC says, "DREAMHOST ACCTS:"
PhilipC says, "mysql.exodictionary.org" PhilipC says, "mysql.lunarpedia.org"
PhilipC says, "mysql.marspedia.org" PhilipC says, "mysql.moonsociety.info"
PhilipC says, "mysql.scientifiction.org" PhilipC says, "mysql.exoplatz.org"
PhilipC says, "ftp.exodictionary.org" Strangelv-1 arrives. PhilipC says, "
ftp.lunarpedia.org" PhilipC says, "ftp.marspedia.org" Strangelv-1 says,
"Sorry. I forgot all about it" PhilipC says, "ftp.moonsociety.info" PhilipC
says, "ftp.scientifiction.org" MikeD says, "those ftp addresses shouldn't
exist" PhilipC says, "ftp.exoplatz.org" PhilipC says, "And that's all
that's listed in that file" Strangelv-1: http://moonsociety.lunarpedia.org/
Strangelv-1 <http://moonsociety.lunarpedia.org/Strangelv-1> says,
"exoproject.*" Strangelv-1 says, "exofiction.*" Strangelv-1 says, "Standby
forl the exact TLDs" Rose/Miros says, "good enough" PhilipC says, "For the
record, Dana Carson and James Gholston have arrived." PhilipC says,
"Continuing...." Rose/Miros says, "moon.lunarpedia.org, the mockup site"
Scottyg says, "So - These are all external assets. s there any migration
involved?" Rose/Miros says, "we'd like to transfer some of the domain names
away from james" Scottyg says, "Ok, and we also need to tak over the
associated costs." Rose/Miros says, "so the trasurer can pay for them
directly instead of james paying and dana paying him back" PhilipC says,
"Before we get diverted into a discussion on migration.... are there ANY
other assets we need to know about?" MikeD says, "and lunarpedia.org needs
to be taken over from me" dcarson says, "I have pairnic logins for asi.org,
moonsociety and projectleto" Rose/Miros says, "i set up an aol email for
the mockup site" Scottyg says, "Yes Mike." dcarson says, "network solutions
for lunarsociety.org" dcarson says, "the IRS login for 990 forms" PhilipC
says, "Is the membership database stored in any one of these assets? "
MikeD says, "best to get it from me while I'm still of sound mind and body
(sort of)" Strangelv-1 now has a list of domain names he's been paying for
that are society assets. He waits for a good moment to paste the list
Rose/Miros says, "tha t's in https://www.moonsociety.org, isn't it?"
PhilipC says, "Dana mentioned on Oct. 17 that we have different systems
handling different components of the Society" Scottyg says, "There are
certain logins associated with our business arrangements. Bank, merchanc
account and such. I prefer those not be included on a readily accessible
list." PhilipC says, "We can note they exist without going into details"
Strangelv-1 says, "Have an entry that they exist and who has access to that
infocrmation?" Rose/Miros says, "p.o. box" PhilipC says, "So long as their
existence and the controlling authorities are known" Scottyg says, "So we
can add Compass Bank and PayPal merchant account. I have those logins."
PhilipC says, "good" Strangelv-1's arms are getting tired Strangelv-1:
SCIENTIFICTION.INFO 3/9/2013 Strangelv-1: SCIENTIFICTION.ORG 3/9/2013
Strangelv-1: EXODICTIONARY.COM 3/23/2013 Strangelv-1: EXODICTIONARY.INFO
3/24/2013 Strangelv-1: EXODICTIONARY.ORG 3/24/2013 Strangelv-1: EXOPLATZ.COM
5/19/2013 Strangelv-1: EXOPLATZ.INFO 5/19/2013 Strangelv-1: EXOPLATZ.NET
5/19/2013 Strangelv-1: EXOPLATZ.ORG 5/19/2013 Strangelv-1: EXOFICTION.BIZ
9/20/2013 Strangelv-1: EXOPROJECT.BIZ 9/20/2013 Strangelv-1: EXOFICTION.COM
9/21/2013 Strangelv-1: EXOFICTION.INFO 9/21/2013 Strangelv-1: EXOFICTION.NET
9/21/2013 Strangelv-1: EXOFICTION.ORG 9/21/2013 Strangelv-1: EXOPROJECT.COM
9/21/2013 Strangelv-1: EXOPROJECT.INFO 9/21/2013 Strangelv-1: EXOPROJECT.NET
9/21/2013 Strangelv-1: EXOPROJECT.ORG 9/21/2013 Strangelv-1 says, "The
dates on the right are when they need to be renewed by and may change once
transferred." Scottyg says, "Philip, I can help list our internal assets
when you're ready." PhilipC says, "please proceed" Rose/Miros says, "is
there a plan for someone else to gain access to those assets if scotty is
sick/injured/etc?" dcarson says, "I have the logins also" Scottyg says,
"Ok, we have http://www.moonsociety.org and moonsociety.org. Both hosted on
Randall's server." Scottyg says, "We are running both http and https on
that server." Rose/Miros says, "well, xisp, under randall's control"
Scottyg says, "Randall and to a lesser degree Dana have admin capability. I
have a user-level login." Scottyg says, "We also have ftp and other
protocols available. No Telnet but have SSH." Scottyg says, "We have full
control over content within our domain." Scottyg says, "We have the MOO
although it doesn't actually belong to us - its an ASI asset and I would
assume it will remain regardless of what we do." Scottyg says, "We have WSD
for content management." Scottyg says, "And Team Director contains our
membership database and team memberships. By creating Apache basic auth
files, it manages access to restricted areas of the web site." Scottyg
says, "Help Director provides tools for communication with members but is
not much used." Scottyg says, "majordomo is used to manage mail lists."
Scottyg says, "Dana, have I left out any important pieces?" Scottyg says,
"Philip, to your question about the membership database, it only exists in
Team Director in the form of MySql databases." PhilipC says, "Good, that's
precisely what I wanted to know. That's the ideal format to store that
information." PhilipC says, "Most important is that it's scalable." Scottyg
says, "I have scripts available that can access the database directly but I
only use that to get information out. All information going in goes through
Team Director so it can implement our business rules." Rose/Miros says,
"scalable to any reasonable degree. mysql breaks down when you have
millions of records" Rose/Miros grins. PhilipC says, "We can hope!" Scottyg
says, "We are nowhere near that problem." A crack of thunder announces the
arrival of Severy dcarson says, "helo" Severy says, "Sorry, folks, I didn't
see the reminder about the meeting until just now :-(" Scottyg says,
"Welcome Randall! Long time no see!" PhilipC says, "hello" Rose/Miros says,
"hi randall" Severy says, "Hello everyone!" Scottyg says, "For those who
may not know Randall, introduce yourselves." PhilipC says, "I am Philip
Crume, one of the newest Directors and the Chair of this newly formed Web
Committee." PhilipC says, "We're currently listing all Moon Society
information assets." Severy says, "Nice to meet you, Philip" Rose/Miros
says, "and i'm the webmaster" Rose/Miros says, "on top of the other jobs
you know of" Severy says, "I was wondering who got stuck with that duty
:-)" Scottyg says, "Philip, can you explain what's afoot in a big picture
sense to Randall?" PhilipC says, "Sure." Rose/Miros says, "in a moment of
insanity, i volunteered" PhilipC says, "Randall, we're currently discussing
a major upgrade of the Moon Society website." PhilipC says, "This would
involve the full treatment" PhilipC says, "Converting to Web 2.0" PhilipC
says, "Making it more cross-platform friendly" PhilipC says, "And just
upgrading as many systems as we can across the board." Strangelv-1 says,
"Technically, I believe we're already Web 2.0 and have been since before
the term was coined. " Rose/Miros says, "we're already web 2.0, it was just
formatted by web 1.0 mentalities" Strangelv-1 says, "Yes" Strangelv-1 says,
"The downside of being an earyl mover" PhilipC [to prepare]: for that
process, this is really the first step where we're simply taking stock of
what we have. PhilipC says, "to prepare for that process, this is really
the first step where we're simply taking stock of what we have.""
Rose/Miros says, "and we're considering various hosting options, including
Cyberteams" Severy says, "Sounds like a good plan" PhilipC says, "the
majoirty of this meeting has so far been doing just that" Rose/Miros says,
"whsiper "wanna ask about the outage and responsibilit y for?" to scotty"
Rose/Miros says, "grr" MikeD says, "lol" Strangelv-1: @autosay off
Rose/Miros says, "ok, since my whisper was more of a stage whisper..."
Rose/Miros says, "the recent outage... " MikeD says, "no, I wanna sleep,
it's 3AM" PhilipC says, "Hopefully once we've done that, the next step in
the process is to match up what we have with the latest technologies that
offer similar capabilities." Severy chuckles Rose/Miros says, "how much was
xisp's fault, and how much was slow restore from back up?" MikeD says, "I
want to ask about James and Rose remembering all the things I can't think
of while I'm asleep" PhilipC says, "The next step might take some time of
course, but it should enable us to get a better picture of the universe of
capabilities available to us." Rose/Miros says, "you can read the log"
Severy says, "There actually wasn't any restore from a backup, the recovery
process involved restoring the operating system and RAID setup" Severy
says, "And all of that was done by XISP" Severy says, "The hard drive
containing the CyberTeams server was untouched by the outage, it just was
inaccessible until the infrastructure was brought back up" Rose/Miros says,
"so it was all xisp........." Strangelv-1 says, "With hindsight, what would
have been a better solution for us?" MikeD says, "what failed? cpu? board?
ram?" PhilipC says, "Once we know the full extent of what our capabilities
CAN be, then we will need to review the Mission and Vision Statements to
come up with a series of recommendations for the Management Committee."
MikeD says, "it would have been nice to have some default bespoke pages to
redirect to so people wouldn't think we forgot to renew" PhilipC says,
"Whatever decision they make, afterwards we'll start developing a plan of
attaack in how to transfer our capabilities to a new system." Severy says,
"Here is the official post-mortem explanation from Gary Barnhard:" Severy
says, "There was a catastrophic hardware failure of the virtual host server
due to what amounts to being an "act of ghod" condition that took down the
virtual server (server.cyberteams.com) which hosts the NSS website
www.nss.org and the NSS mail server mail.nss.org." Severy says, "The
hardware was tested and the root cause of the failure was established (a
power cable had a wire that was inadvertently put in tension which broke
free from it's molded plastic shell and caused a short on contact with a
processor heat sink mount). The failed elements were replaced with
emergency spares, and the virtual host server was rebooted in a matter of
hours. Unfortunately, the map between the physical world of the Hard
Disk/RAID array controller, the physical hard disks, the virtual disks, and
the virtual servers was lost due to an additional undiagnosed failed
hardware. Once the additional failure was discovered the drive systems had
to be recabled, the hard drives relocated, the previously mentioned map
recreated manually, and each virtual disk recovered. This recovery process
was both tedious and time consuming due in part to the size (1TB to 3 TB)
and quantity of the hard disks (13+) involved. The drive recovery process
took days." Severy says, "That was the explanation he sent to the NSS
board" MikeD says, "Ouch!" MikeD says, "all that hassle over a loose wire"
Scottyg says, "Might have been easier to rebuild from backup." Strangelv-1
says, "or even have a static set of sites based on backup?" Strangelv-1
says, "as a plceholder" Scottyg says, "Ok, thanks for that explanation
Randall." MikeD says, "would be very worthwhile being able to temporarily
host from a single drive copy of the backup" Scottyg says, "Is there
anything we could do to help prevent such an extended downtime in the
future?" Rose/Miros says, "or at least get a "temporary site outage" screen
up?" dcarson says, "secondary DNS and a redirect to a static page would
help at least" dcarson says, "all our DNS is/was apparently via xisp
machines" Severy says, "Any redundant or high-availability backup setup has
additional costs and labor involved, so it's a matter of how much effort to
put into avoiding such a rare combination of bad luck" Scottyg says,
"Apparently on our server, DNS queries would not resolve." MikeD says, "dns
is always a single failure point" Rose/Miros will be right back. Severy
says, "At the time of the outage it was believed that everything would be
recovered shortly, by the time it was determined to be more involved than
believed enough time had been invested that it would have taken away from
the recovery effort to try to bring up an alternate setup" MikeD says, "we
should be able to do something almost at the flick of a switch" MikeD says,
"possibly not the full site, but enough" Rose/Miros says, "so what do we
need to be able to "flick a switch" for at least the public accessible
areas?" Scottyg says, "It would require another server on "hot standby" and
then either redirecting DNS or reassigning IP addresses." Scottyg says,
"That would depend somewhat on whether XISP provides the hot standby or
not." MikeD says, "an alternative dns basically, and use the dreamhost
server for secondary hosting, or vice versa" Rose/Miros says, "what if we
set up asubdomain on a domain name hosted elsewhere, and if primary hosting
goes down, we can at least get up the equivalent of a custom 404 page"
PhilipC says, "Excuse me guys, but if there's nothing else to discuss
regarding the agenda. We have just one more item to discuss before we need
to adjourn." Scottyg says, "Ok, Philip, go ahead." PhilipC says, "Assuming
that we've collected all available assets, the next step is to match up
those capabilities with the latest technologies on the market." MikeD says,
"why?" PhilipC says, "For example, we're currently using WSD but we know
that Drupal is available." Rose/Miros says, "which means a database backed
cms system of some flavor" MikeD says, "I mean why the latest?" dcarson
says, "next to latest, bleeding edge is calle dthat for a reason" MikeD
says, "a bit back from the latest so people older machines and slower
connections don't tear their hair out" Rose/Miros says, "so as it ages, it
will stay current for some time,before becoming ancient/obsolete" Scottyg
says, "Randall, would installing Drupal on your server give any
indigestion?" Strangelv-1 says, "Drupal 7 works fairly well and has had
time to mature. RLight now bleeding edge would be trying to run something
on the development fork (8)" PhilipC says, "By exploring the full range of
capabilities offered to us, we should be able to devleop a clearer picture
of what we can do, and hopefully we can pair up the larger objectives of
what the Moon Society wants to do with what technologies allows us to do."
Strangelv-1 says, "Drupal 6 is basicalyl depreciated" Rose/Miros says,
"access controll is actually easier on 6" Severy says, "Depends on the
traffic volume, one of the disadvantages of dynamic database-driven CMSes
like Drupal is the heavy load from all of the ongoing database processing"
Scottyg says, "That's why I asked." PhilipC says, "I used Drupal as an
example. What other CMS are out there? How do they compare with WSD? "
Rose/Miros says, "wsd doesn't use a database, which is its strength and
weakness" MikeD says, "most are dynamic and use php" PhilipC says, "It's
this type of question that we need to ask ourselves wrt to all of our
assets" Severy says, "The most common are WordPress (charitably called a
CMS), Drupal, and Joomla" Strangelv-1 says, "...and what would be the terms
for running WSD, TamDir, et c. on a different host?" MikeD says, "WSD
generates html" Severy says, "All suffer from heavy CPU load and slow
response unless you throw a lot of hardware at them" PhilipC says, "I hope
this task isn't too broad. " Rose/Miros says, "one of the alans said his
wordpress was broken by an update, and he hasn't managed to fix it for
months" MikeD says, "Randall, do we have enough traffic for that to be an
issue?" Strangelv-1 says, "I remember Ken wanting something by a very short
term deadline. If we would be to attend to thatc, that would need to be a
separate project as there's absolutely no way we'd get through this long
term major effort before the SEDS event" Rose/Miros says, "ken's deadline
is next spring" MikeD says, "wordpress sucks, people just keep adding to
infinitely long pages of drivel" Severy says, "I did a comparison between
WordPress and WSD a while back, but I haven't bothered with Drupal or
Joomla. WSD has generally kept pace featurewise with all three, but these
days it's mostly a matter of personal preference and what you're used to
working with" dcarson says, " wordpress is an unauthenticated remote shell
that, as a useful side feature, also contains a blog" Strangelv-1 says,
"Okay, nhat's a lot further down the load than I believed he'd said"
Rose/Miros says, "ihave the impression that he knows seds is not feasible"
PhilipC says, "But guys, we're getting distracted here." Severy says, "I
don't imagine that moonsociety.org has enough traffic where load would be a
big issue, but you can always hope it becomes a problem :-)" PhilipC says,
"Evaluating capabilities is what we should do AFTER we've listed the full
universe of capabilities." MikeD says, "in which case we could afford more
oomf" Rose/Miros says, "drupal has throttling abilities, so if it becomes
an issue, you can restrict certain things" Strangelv-1 says, "Are any of
the *Forge CMSs still being maintained?" Scottyg says, "I just wanted to
point out possible problems while Randall is available." Severy says,
"Rose, WSD actually uses a database for a lot of things, just not for
storing static content, which is not really a good place for static
content" PhilipC says, "The last question I have is: do you think think
this request of asking for what other options are available for handling
our assets is unreasonable or unrealistic?" MikeD says, "have you managed
to do anything to make WSD more ClarisWorks proof?" Severy says, "In what
way, Mike?" Rose/Miros says, "which as i said, is its strength and
weakness... people can clobber pages by working on them outside the wsd
editor" MikeD says, "Claris used to beak pages by inserting tags" Severy
says, "Philip, no question is unreasonable or unrealistic :-)" PhilipC
says, "Well! In that case, I COULD use a ticket to the Moon. How about this
Friday? " Rose/Miros says, "and/or removing the comments that indicate what
is content" MikeD says, "there were a couple of other ones, bit Claris was
the worst" Scottyg says, "The possibilities bracket our choices. I think it
is perfectly reasonable ti research those before any decision." Severy
says, "Oh, that issue, Mike, I suspect that's ancient history by now. The
WYSIWYG editors in WSD (which happen to be the same ones used by WordPress,
Drupal, etc.) all clean up any invalid tags when editing the content"
Severy says, "The question isn't unreasonable or unrealistic, but the
ANSWER may definitely be one or both :-)" MikeD says, "that was about my
only issue with WSD, it required the user to display a modicum of common
sense" Severy says, "If you saw what a WSD user in Colorado tries to do,
you would know that common sense is no longer a requirement :-)" MikeD
says, "lol" dcarson says, "that narrows your user base a lot" Severy says,
"I don't normally speak ill of customers, but the phrase "dumb as a box of
rocks" is mentioned from time to time in the office ;-)" PhilipC says, "At
this point, I don't care about the details or what problems the options
have. We can focus on that later. What I DO care about are what options are
available regardless of their utility or economic cost." MikeD says, "be
careful, he might be a secret shopper" PhilipC says, "Randall, sometimes
you have to ask the client if they turned on the computer...." Scottyg
says, "Ok, we're getting to levels of detail that should probably be
handled one-on-one. Philip, get back to your agenda." PhilipC says, "Any
way." PhilipC says, "As I said, let's accumulate as many options as we can.
" PhilipC says, "That should be the ideal topic of the next meeting's
agenda." PhilipC says, "The meeting AFTER that is the one in which we can
go into details." PhilipC says, "Those details are likely to eat up a
substantial portion of our time and we may need to break it up over several
meetings." Severy says, "James, you asked about running WSD et al on
another server, I don't see any problem with doing that, as long as the
server provides the minimum operational requirements for those systems,
which are fairly generic." MikeD says, "does it qualify as a persistant
process?" Strangelv-1 says, "Actually we were wondering how much you would
be charging us for it" Severy says, "There hasn't been a charge and I don't
anticipate that there ever would be" Severy says, "No, Mike, all of the
CyberTeams products are CGI-based, so they only run when a user asks them
to do something, they are not persistent" Scottyg says, "And Philip, that
IS an important component of listing our options." MikeD says, "so they
probably could be installed on Dreamhost if required" Strangelv-1 says,
"Could we get the newest version to install on Dreamhost or similar?"
Strangelv-1 says, "or newest stable" Severy says, "Yes, the basic
requirements are CGI support, MySQL databases, and PHP support (for WSD
addons)" Rose/Miros says, "andwe'vegot the manwith the answers HERE NOW,
giving us the info i've been looking for for 6 weeks or so" Scottyg says,
"Gentlemen, I need to leave in about 10 minutes. If there's anything I'm
needed for, get on with it." Rose/Miros says, "thank you for getting
randall here" Severy says, "Sorry, Rose, I know you've been trying to find
me, it's been a ridiculously crazy past several months" Strangelv-1 is too
asleep to think of what he needs to bug Scotty and Randall about at the
same time Rose/Miros has actually lost her original questions for randall,
but thinks we've manage to hit the high points Severy says, "70-80 hour
work weeks and a one-year-old son don't leave much time for anything
anymore" PhilipC says, "Congratulations on your boy" Scottyg says, "No they
don't. We reaqlly appreciate you taking time to have this discussion."
Severy says, "Thanks, he's a handful but mostly in a good way :-)" MikeD
says, "you can _not_ keep doing 70-80 hour work weeks, they will kill you"
dcarson says, "and you've had heart surgery once already" Severy says, "I
know, that's what my wife keeps telling me, and I keep saying it's only
temporary :-(" MikeD says, "heed her" Severy says, "And she says I've been
saying that for five years now, and she's right" Rose/Miros says, "yes,
we've hit the high points, i found my list" PhilipC says, "Priorities."
PhilipC says, "Unfortunately time is a scarce resource." MikeD says, "only
for mortals" Scottyg says, "Take time to enjoy your son while you can They
grow up amazingly fast." Severy says, "Yes, they sure do, I've been
spending as much time as I can with him" MikeD says, "and he'd sooner have
you with a little less money than not at all" Rose/Miros says, "we could
use magellan's astrolabe,but it apparently makes the user insane and only
gives you a one day do-over" PhilipC says, "If there's nothing else with
this meeting, I leave with one parting thought...." Rose/Miros says,
"congratulations for your efforts at herding cats" MikeD says, "wild cats"
PhilipC says, "I think we can probably parse out who has what areas to
research later via e-mail." Strangelv-1 puts Magellan's Astrolabe on top of
the Necronomicon with the place for summoning Azathoth bookmarked with FEC
Form 3X and placed it all in a hyperbolic stasis cube PhilipC says, "With
that, I move to adjourn." Scottyg says, "second" PhilipC says, "So moved.
We are now adjourned." MikeD says, "don't forget I don't do email" PhilipC
says, "I just need someone with the authority to do so to make a copy of
the log available to everyone here." 
-- End log: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 10:42:25 pm ASI Meeting Server time --