-- Start log: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 9:25:20 pm ASI Meeting Server time -- 
PhilipC says, "Thank you for coming to the December 2013 Moon
Society Management Committee Meeting" PhilipC says, "The meeting is now in
order." PhilipC says, "Let's start by taking attendance. Please state your
name and position." PhilipC says, "Philip Crume, Chair" Strangelv-4 says,
"Does anyone have Ken's new phone number?" Strangelv-4 says, "James
Gholston, secretary" pjbanyai says, "Paul Banyai, Vice President"
Strangelv-4 says, "and note that this is a return from recess" dcarson
says, "Dana Carson, Treasurer" PhilipC says, "Let the record show that as
of this time, we do not have quorum for this meeting. So we will not be
able to make any binding votes. We can conduct reports and have non-binding
discussions." PhilipC says, "Let the record also show that the November
meeting was supposed to make the monthly format permanent but we had
forgotten to do so." PhilipC says, "So technically we had to meet last
week, which we did. But to preserve the monthly format, we put that meeting
in recess." PhilipC says, "We accidentally convened a Leadership Council
meeting, which is a standing committee. That too was recessed. I suggest we
reconvene the Leadership Council. Adjourn it. Then reconvene the Management
Committee and continue our meeting as such." PhilipC says, "Is this
acceptable?" Strangelv-4 says, "I'm having a parenthetical/stack issue with
that" Strangelv-4 says, "There are two possible interpretations I see: "
Strangelv-4 says, "1: the leaderstip meeting resumed after we recessed or
2: we probably can't resume it until after this meeting ends. As it is, the
leadership meeting is basically disposable" PhilipC says, "Standing
committees are not supposed to be used in lieu of a regular meeting that
doesn't have quorum. They're for unusual circumstances for when decisions
need to be made between regular meetings." PhilipC says, "*don't"
Strangelv-4 says, "Also, I can't remember if leadership meetings ever
formally adjourned. It doesn't normally behave like a normal committee"
PhilipC says, "If we don't need to reconvene the Leadership Council
meeting, I'm okay with that." Strangelv-4 says, "There is no attendance, no
set quorum level" Strangelv-4 says, "I'm quite fine with not reconvening it
or saying it reconvened a week ago" Strangelv-4 says, "or it automatically
reconvenes after this and fizzles if we don't stick around" PhilipC says,
"Paul and Dana, are you two okay with that?" Strangelv-4 says, "Selecting a
permutation might work for minutes, but if nobody cares' I'll just put
something together if I do minutes for it " dcarson says, "ok by me"
PhilipC says, "me 2" Strangelv-4 says, "I'm leaning towards reconvening
after the recess" Strangelv-4 says, "Because that's basically what we did"
PhilipC says, "make it so" Strangelv-4 says, "Anyone have Ken's current
number?" PhilipC says, "So let the record show that we are now reconvened
from last week's meeting." PhilipC says, "We'll go with a quick treasurer
report and then proceed to business" Strangelv-4 says, "I tried calling
Scotty, but I just got silence. I don't know where the technical difficulty
was" PhilipC says, "Dana, you have the floor." dcarson says, "Treasurer
report" dcarson says, "nothing out of the usual, noney holding steady"
dcarson says, "questions?" Strangelv-4 has none PhilipC says, "Balance at
around $32k?" dcarson says, "yes" PhilipC says, "Is any portion of that
money earmarked?" Strangelv-4 known the answer is yes dcarson says, "we owe
for MMMs but thats it" Strangelv-4 says, "we also have obligations on some
of that for specific purposes" Strangelv-4 says, "At least one item"
PhilipC says, "which is?" dcarson says, "no outstanding contests or grants
that I can think of" PhilipC says, "that's all from me" Strangelv-4 says,
"Ken knows the details better than I do. It's what we're hoping to spend on
a lawa tube bot project" PhilipC says, "Paul, any questions?" PhilipC says,
"Any one else have any questions?" PhilipC says, "5" PhilipC says, "4"
PhilipC says, "3" PhilipC says, "2" PhilipC says, "1" PhilipC says, "Moving
on" PhilipC says, "Since we do not have quorum, we can only have an
informative discussion here." Strangelv-4 says, "or decisions that don't
requier a motion" PhilipC says, "Before we continue our conversation, does
anyone else have an issue they'd like to discuss?" Strangelv-4 says, "Next
week's agenda?" PhilipC says, "Let's hold off on that. If another member
appears and we get quorum, we might consider making the monthly format
permanent" Strangelv-4 can't find Kervala's phone number either PhilipC
says, "Hearing no other issues. I'm going to recap the pre-meeting
conversation for the log." PhilipC says, "As it stands, we are now in the
December meeting with little sign of progress from the website." PhilipC
[to be]: more specific, little progress since last summer. PhilipC says,
"To be more specific, little progress since last summer."" PhilipC says,
"We're obviously stuck in a rut. Our two primary web developers have family
issues that are important and need their attention." PhilipC says, "But
that doesn't change the facts. Our organization's survival depends on us
having a presentable website for new possible members so that we can grow."
dcarson says, "I grabbed a copy of the discussion" PhilipC says, "I have
suggested that we even consider outsourcing." PhilipC says, "But others
have recommended insourcing or limiting the scope of the migration."
PhilipC says, "To james, that is not necessary."" Strangelv-4 says, "And
simply starting over won't help, as once the new new site would be up and
running we'd be in the exact situation we're in right now" PhilipC says,
"So now here we are in discussing what to do next" PhilipC says, "I reopen
the floor to continue that conversation." Strangelv-4 says, "insourcing is
basically outsourcing, just not outside of the US" PhilipC says, "so long
as we can manage costs, I am okay with that." Strangelv-4 says, "It might
help to just say outsourcing without specifying where to" PhilipC says,
"there's outsourcing and offshoring." PhilipC says, "similar but different"
Strangelv-4 says, "If we have a contractor or contractors or a specialized
firm, we need ot know precisely what we need them ot do to help us complete
our migration and any other nicities along the way" PhilipC says, "the
point being that if we do not get any momentum, we may need to consider an
external 3rd party to help us finish the job" PhilipC says, "as Alan S. has
stated repeatedly, what we need is an attractive site." Strangelv-4 says,
"The main momentum I'm up for is some tweaks to our CSS and with Rose's
help finalyl get the main page we were supposed to have at the start --
she's further along with mastering the Views module than I am." dcarson
says, "one of the holdups is when are we done, we'll have to define that
for anyone, so lets start there and then see if we can do it or need to
hire out" PhilipC says, "I would add that we need an attractive site that
appeals to our target audience." Strangelv-4 says, "We need a list of mugs
with the aesthetics of our site. What needs to be changed to make it look
nicer -- note that while easier, this isn't as critical as solving the
migration " PhilipC says, "we spoke before that our site could be ready
tonight if we remove certain parts of it." Strangelv-4 says,
"Theoterically, at least until we rlun into something I'm not remembering"
PhilipC says, "Paul, you've been quiet here. Any thoughts?" Strangelv-4
says, "Which is another reason I really with we had either Scotty or Rose
here. They know a lot of details I've not worked on and vice versa"
Strangelv-4 says, "There wasn't a lot of overlap in our areas of
responsibility" Strangelv-4 says, "Also, we can probabyl forget about
getting help from Jason, as he's entered an entirely new magnitude of
overcommitment" PhilipC says, "That's part of the problem here. There's a
major bottleneck. We need to break out of it." PhilipC says, "Our survival
as an organization is on the line. " pjbanyai says, "On an upside we
currently now have 30 followers on LinkedIn, 3 less than the 100 Year
Starship." PhilipC says, "We must have a ready website and we need to get
our projects up and running" Strangelv-4 says, "Paul, I seem to remember
you setting up an alternate domain name" Strangelv-4 says, "do we have a
set of the TLDs for it?" Strangelv-4 says, "Although something as drastic
as changing our main site domain name probabyl would require a motion"
PhilipC says, "As I've said before, I have nothing but admiration and
respect for the work that Rose and Scotty have performed. It's well beyond
the call of duty." Strangelv-4 says, "As well as getting Scotyt to go along
with it, which we can't know about if he's unable to be here" PhilipC says,
"But we have to finish this thing so that we can start reaching out to
prospective members" Strangelv-4 says, "we also need to not step on what
Rose and Scotty have done" Strangelv-4 says, "Which means we need theri
input on where to go formard" Strangelv-4 says, "Probably the best we can
do tonight is a list of options and make sure we tark to them about it"
PhilipC says, "This is why I wanted to talk to Scotty tonight. "
Strangelv-4 says, "There are still some essential items on the legacy site.
We probabyl need a list of those. one of those is Moon Miners' Manifesto.
We don't want to torque Peter off, either" PhilipC says, "I need them to
either give us a timeline for completing this or to work with a 3rd party
that will do that." Strangelv-4 says, "I'm here,. you're getting my input,
but I'm only part of it" Strangelv-4 says, "I'm quite willing to assume we
may need a third party at this point. We need the same to-do lists whether
or not we go that route." pjbanyai says, "I have moosociety.info,
lunargov.info, and lunargov.org. The lunargov sites were in the hope of
revitalizing the old asi government team as a forum dealing with the curent
state of Moon related laws and treaties." Strangelv-4 says, "also, we could
try reaching out for a special, quiet behind-the-scenes fundraiser"
pjbanyai says, "Correction moonsociety.info" Strangelv-4 says, "We're or we
were?" Jim [Guest] has arrived. Strangelv-4 wonders if he dares hope for
present tense Strangelv-4 says, "Hooray!" Strangelv-4 reaches for the
quorum bell Jim [Guest] says, "hi" PhilipC says, "Let the record show that
Jim Keravala has now arrived. And that we now have quorum." PhilipC says,
"Jim, you're a life saver." Jim [Guest] says, "apologies for my tardiness"
PhilipC says, "We're talking about the website and in making some tough
decisions." Jim [Guest] says, "backed up dT" Jim [Guest] says, "DAY" Jim
[Guest] says, "ok" Jim [Guest] says, "please conrinue" PhilipC says, "We
started the website transition process about a year ago." Strangelv-4 says,
"We need to figure out what we need to accomplish with our migration. Step
by step -- either to hunt down volunteers ot to hire contractors" dcarson
says, "before we losr anyone formally change to a monthly schedule?" Jim
[Guest] says, "is there a rwquirements summary for the new website?"
Strangelv-4 says, "A shorter wish list for changes to the structure and
apperaance of the new site is also desirable, but the showstopper is the
migration, which none of us properly appreciated the magnitude of" PhilipC
says, "We got about 80% of the new web site up but then our two key
developers, Rose and Scotty, have personal issues that are preventing them
from letting us finish." PhilipC says, "We developed a requirements list
initially. i'll need to track it down." Jim [Guest] says, "i'll second a
monthly schedule" Strangelv-4 says, "That list may not be relevant if it's
the one I'm remembering." PhilipC says, "But for now, let's put this
discussion hold and take care of one special item of business." Jim [Guest]
says, "ok" Strangelv-4 says, ""What's the language for the motion to change
our schedule until further notice and who's making it?" PhilipC says,
"Would someone like to make a motion that we formally proceed with the
monthly meeting format?" PhilipC says, "Note- the last time we voted on
this, it was only for a trial basis for november." pjbanyai says,
"Originally the plan was to archive the original site at a subdomain like
archive.moonsociety.org and gradually move info into the main site. Instead
we have sort of a hybrid site." Strangelv-4 says, "I move we change the
management committee meetings to the second wedneseday of every month until
further notice." PhilipC says, "Any second?" Jim [Guest] says, "secondwd"
Jim [Guest] says, "with an e" PhilipC says, "Thank you. Any objections to
this motion?" dcarson says, "none here" Strangelv-4 says, "none" PhilipC
says, "Jim? Paul?" Jim [Guest] says, "no objections" Strangelv-4 types "The
motion passed without objection" into his minutes draft PhilipC says, "The
motion carries. The monthly format, of management committee meetings will
take place on the 2nd wed of every month until further notice." Strangelv-4
claps. PhilipC says, "Back to the discussion at hand on the website..."
PhilipC says, "I again reopen the floor" PhilipC says, "Scotty, Rose, and
James put a lot of work into the site we have right now." Strangelv-4 says,
"We have at least three levels of legacy content -- critical, important,
and general. MMM is one of the things in the critical category" Jim [Guest]
says, "why is that?" Jim [Guest] says, "why is it critial" Strangelv-4
says, "Why is MMM critical?" Jim [Guest] says, "yes" dcarson says, "ayethe
best source of content to attract people to our site that we have I think"
Strangelv-4 says, "It's the single most visible thing our sibscribers get.
We're the largest organization that uses it and it's the oldest surviving
publication of its kind" Jim [Guest] says, "ok i can see thar" PhilipC
says, "Okay, then let's preserve the MMM portion, unpublish anything else
that is not essential for establishing our identity in the mind of
viewers." Strangelv-4 says, "The MMM content is mostly not migrated yet"
PhilipC says, "We also need to have a join page and a way for members to
get involved" PhilipC says, "we need at least that for basic
functionality." Strangelv-4 says, "Ergo, it's critical" PhilipC says, "the
last and perhaps most painful thing we need to do is to market test the
site with our a sample of our target audience." Jim [Guest] says, "when was
the requirements doc drafted? more than a year ago for example?"
Strangelv-4 says, "The requieremnts document was when none of us
anticipated the difficulty of the migration" PhilipC says, "it might have
been nov. 2012" Jim [Guest] says, "ok tnx" PhilipC says, "it's still
valid." PhilipC says, "i'll need to track it down. its on another computer"
Jim [Guest] says, "sorry for questions galore..." Strangelv-4 says, "Ask
away, please" Jim [Guest] says, "target audience?" PhilipC says, "as the
chair for the website migration committee, the delays are my fault" PhilipC
says, "i just finished a project management class, which was an eye opener"
Strangelv-4 says, "That probably needs to be plural" pjbanyai says, "An
example of how important MMM is: Everyone knows about the National
Geographic Magazine. Not everyone realizes that it is part of the National
Geographic Society and that subscribing to the magazine means subscribing
to the NGS." Jim [Guest] says, "ah its not easy driving these things
remoteley" Strangelv-4 says, "millenials who are never separated from their
smartphones are one of the most important ones. " Jim [Guest] says, "ok"
Jim [Guest] says, "then requirements not needs to be refreshed for 2014"
PhilipC says, "the space advocacy community is getting too gray. we need to
start attracting the younger generation." Strangelv-4 says, "Thus the
effort put into mobile compatibility" Jim [Guest] [to be]: frank Jim
[Guest] says, "right!" Strangelv-4 says, "We also have compatibility for
gray haired people who have'nt upgraded their computers for a decade or
worse" Jim [Guest] says, "also true" PhilipC says, "those of us who are
interested in space got hooked on either apollo or the space shuttle era.
the new generation is getting hooked on space development" Strangelv-4
says, "Thank Scotty for creating the module that made that practical" Jim
[Guest] says, "are there reference websites we are considering to be ideal
for us?" Jim [Guest] says, "in format?" Strangelv-4 says, "Show up with the
site with any museum piece that can get past Greengeek's infrastructure and
you should get a workig site. Ditto any phone or tablet" PhilipC says, "in
my opinion, i want our website to look better than our competition." Jim
[Guest] says, "good ahow!" Jim [Guest] says, "yes" Strangelv-4 says, "We
basically already have one. It could use some tweaking by a Drupal module
maestro, but that's not as critical as solving the migration." PhilipC
says, "for me, that means the planetary society, the national space
society, and the mars society" Jim [Guest] says, "guya i apologize im going
to depart again. crunched day my end, my fault" PhilipC says, "np, thanks
for coming." Jim [Guest] says, "please swnd me req doc and i'll add
comments if i may" PhilipC says, "will do" Jim [Guest] says, "apols for bad
spelling, just parking" Jim [Guest] says, "ok later all" Strangelv-4:
http://www.lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=Coriolis_%28web_theme%29 -- Not
quite up to date page on our custom web theme Jim [Guest] has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to remove Jim [Guest]. Strangelv-4 says, "Okay. I
can paste it for you again late.r" Strangelv-4 says, "take care" PhilipC
says, "Let the record show that Jim is no longer attending the meeting. We
no longer have quorum." PhilipC says, "What I'm kind of hoping to see is
something similar to my own personal website http://www.philipcrume.com"
Strangelv-4 sees a big huge embossed rectangle with an icon in the upper
corner Strangelv-4 says, "Now it disappeared and there's nothing where it
was" PhilipC says, "yeah my site isn't perfect yet. i keep forgetting to
contact greengeeks to put my photogallery on the top layer." Strangelv-4
says, "What do you see as something it has that Coriolis is lacking?"
Strangelv-4 says, "This lands heavily into my area of responsibility"
PhilipC says, "but the point is, it's somewhat futuristic and it fits with
the modernist/scifi theme" PhilipC says, "i've mentioned before about
wanting the site to look like it's been pulled from the design studio of
the movie oblivion" Strangelv-4 says, "Which I still have'nt seen, and I
must admit it doesn't help if Rose or Scotty have when ther're not the ones
doing the graphics and CSS and the layoun markup" PhilipC says, "another
agenda item we've missed tonight is the new logo proposal" dcarson says,
"youtube clip?" PhilipC says, "youtube oblivion dvd menu" dcarson says,
"might find one and email the url" Strangelv-4 says, "The coriolist theme
itself was my task" PhilipC says, "we can try the coriolist theme. But
remember that we ultimately need to market test it" Strangelv-4 says, "and
if I'd known what I do now about MSIE version differences, MSIE 7 would not
have gotten its own theme" Strangelv-4 says, "Coriolis. The T was a typo.
Sorry about that" Strangelv-4 says, "We're using it now" Strangelv-4 says,
"At elast on the new site" Strangelv-4 says, "Legacy is using at least
three different templates" Strangelv-4 says, "None of which have names that
I know of" pjbanyai says, "I recently got my hands on several Artemis
Magazines from Amazon. So I can try to scan them for possible posting on
the ASI Board of Directors/Leadership team pages. I believe that the last
copyright for ASI supersedes previous ones and that they should be
repostable on the original site. However, I may only be able to repost it
if "The Editor" of each issue approves. I need to check the copyrights for
each issue and the ASI copyright to be sure. Any new info on the possible
acquisition of the Lunar Resources Company." Strangelv-4 says, "We have'nt
discussed that for awhile." Strangelv-4 says, "yit might be useful to work
out a possible structure for a proposal and run it past Scotty" dcarson
says, "Aetemis Magazine is a seperate company that licensed the name, we
own nothing of theirs" Strangelv-4 says, "The person who would know best
what the status of Artemis Magizine back issues are would be Ian Randall
Strock" dcarson says, "and the stories were under first serial rights, not
all rights, professional writers who keep all rights and expect to be paid"
Strangelv-4 says, "I understand that we'd need to pay them to reprint, but
is it even possible to reprint?" dcarson says, "we have as much right to
repuiblish them as we do to republish any recent book in a book store"
Strangelv-4 says, "Even with a budget to make such payments" dcarson says,
"none" Strangelv-4 says, "This is assuming that we gain the other
preresiqouites or get the party that does to act on it" PhilipC says, "the
theme that I'm using for my site is called andromeda" Strangelv-4 spent
nearly six months developing the Coriolis theme to the specifications this
body gave him Strangelv-4 says, "What does Andromeda do for you that
Coriolis doesn't? I need specifics" Strangelv-4 says, "I should say theme
set' as it's eleven themes" Strangelv-4 says, "all designed to resembl/e
each other to the extent practical" PhilipC says, "you know that
telerobotics is coming right? this means telepresence, virtual reality,
etc." Strangelv-4 says, "One thing I've done on a subsequent, not yet
completed website project is to use tables for all multicolumn settings
except for the flexbox layout for current CSS3 browsers. This reduces the
number of needed themes and gets rid of CSS float layout problems"
Strangelv-4 says, "I'm relying on telepresence showing up before I can't
handle using it. " Strangelv-4 says, "It's probabyl the onyl way I'll ever
attend ISDC or my own party's national convention" Strangelv-4 says,
"again" PhilipC says, "watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oWIh-hJjPg"
PhilipC says, "when you watch the movie oblivion, you'll get a sense of the
style i'm talking about" PhilipC says, "it's sleek, modern, and most
importantly, it beats the pants off our competition" PhilipC says, "the
design should accentuate content, not dominate it" PhilipC says, "you
should feel like you're there but with a design that merely guides your
experience like a tool" Strangelv-4 says, "I'm not putting in another 2000
hours on theme development." PhilipC says, "that was my failure. i didn't
manage the project better." Strangelv-4 says, "and much of what I'm seeing
would be on the content side" Strangelv-4 says, "That is one part that we
didn't have anyone dedicated to working on." Strangelv-4 says, "Rose did
most of it, but it wasn't her main area of responsibility" PhilipC says,
"now that i've finished a project management course, i know what mistakes
i've made" PhilipC says, "we should've addressed areas of responsibility at
the beginning" Strangelv-4 says, "There are tools and tutoriars on what can
be done to get the absolute maximum out of Drupal, but I'm not going to be
able to space the time to be the one to implement these things" Strangelv-4
says, "For all intents and purposes, Rose was the person running the show"
PhilipC says, "if we're going to embrace telerobotics, then the site should
reflect a design that feels like you're operating a robot" PhilipC says,
"but rose is not able to do that right now. she has her husband to think
about. " Strangelv-4 says, "That might be difficult on a site that supports
MSIE 6 and other legacy browsers that older activits will be using"
pjbanyai says, "Checkout
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/technicalillusions/castar-the-most-versatile-ar-and-vr-system"
Strangelv-4 says, "Things that require newer levels of functionality should
have a purpose beyond bling" Strangelv-4 says, "Also note that many people
surf with javascript disabled by default and only enable it on sites tehy
both trust and are willing to make some level of commitment to paying
attenstion to. " Strangelv-4 says, "if they're wvisitingu s casually, we'd
betetr hold up without any javascript" Strangelv-4 says, "or visiting us
casually" PhilipC says, "exactly paul, a somewhat AR design style"
Strangelv-4 says, "in addition to NoScript, there's a new one called
RequestPolicy that tends to break sites that draw css and javascript from
too many other site,s especially if those other sites draw from others in
turn" pjbanyai says, "Glasses have holographic projectors mounted on them
which reflect off a special surface to provide Star Wars like augmented
reality holographs." PhilipC says, "as i said, we know this is coming and
that it's the future." PhilipC says, "my goal is to position ourselves with
respect to other space advocacy organizations as the coolest and most
cutting edge" PhilipC says, "if we focus on space development and let the
planetary society and nss worry about nasa politics, we can leap frog them
all" PhilipC says, "we need to have a hard-nosed conversation with the mars
society as well." Strangelv-4 says, "This is an area where the website
would be tailored to the objectives, not the other way around" PhilipC
says, "zubrin can easily leave an impression that going to the moon at all
is pointless, which is a hostile point of view" Strangelv-4 says, "Ther's
plenty of room to configure the content to the purpose" Strangelv-4 says,
"It's one of the major missing elements of our site as it presentyl is.
Coriolis is a template set, not content handling" Strangelv-4 says, "Drupal
has moer modules to handle content than anything else" PhilipC says, "we in
turn can fire back at zubrin by saying that mars direct is a good
exploration-oriented mission but that it requires government subsidies and
it won't lay a foundation for a colony" Strangelv-4 says, "Finding a
specialist who is fambiliar with those things would be one thing to
consider putting some money into." PhilipC says, "i know one specialist
already" PhilipC says, "he might give us discounted pricing" PhilipC says,
"Remember shaun moss? he's a drupal guy" Strangelv-4 says, "Yes. It's been
awhile since he's been in a meeting" PhilipC says, "former director if i
recall" Strangelv-4 says, "yup" PhilipC says, "he's been away long enough
that there wouldn't be a conflict of interest in paying him as a
consultant" Strangelv-4 says, "He was here in the afternoon when most of us
were here in the evenings. i can't remember if Mike was on at the same time
from the wee hours of the wmorning. it's rare for him to attend meetings
given his situation" Strangelv-4 says, "That's a thought. So how should we
grill him on content handling?" PhilipC says, "just ask" Strangelv-4 says,
"Who should send the email? I'm probably one of the candidates as I was
participating in meetings the entire time he served" PhilipC says, "as a
former director, he should have a pretty good idea of what's important to
migrate over and what can be postponed for later. and he might also be able
to write that script you mentioned" PhilipC says, "i speak to him
occasionally on facebook" PhilipC says, "before we can send the email, we
need to have a conversation with scotty and rose." Strangelv-4 says, "But
if he's working on the migration, he really needs to also talk to Scotty
and Rose, as much of the migration is their areas" Strangelv-4 says, "We
could do that first, too" PhilipC says, "scotty and rose have tried to
avoid any time schedule but i think we're at a point right now where we
really need one." PhilipC says, "if they can't deliver the requirements in
a timely fashion, they need "punt" the ball and let someone else take over"
Strangelv-4 says, "Any time schedule needs to have a basis in reality"
PhilipC says, "and any reality must reflect the Moon Society's needs."
Strangelv-4 says, "With money being thrown around, it does became less
implactical than it is for most things I've been involved with outside of
politics" PhilipC says, "the fact is, we need to get started on our
projects and to begin growing " PhilipC says, "we're now down to 132
members" Strangelv-4 says, "And our needs may have to deal with tradeoffs"
PhilipC says, "unfortunately we're getting to a point where time isn't one
of them" Strangelv-4 says, "time versus how much stuff is offline for a
span of time" PhilipC says, "that means we either reduce the scope of what
we're doing or we increase costs" Strangelv-4 says, "I don't know if
there's a proper inventory or list of web pages. Scotty might have one."
PhilipC says, "we developed a web assets list when we first started"
pjbanyai says, "I still have not seen a true holodeck yet. That would
require the whole room to built out of large collections of special
combined projector/camera modules with reflective surfaces. The STNG Tech
manual had 400 modules per square cm. I'm quite sure we have not reached
that level of miniaturization yet:\)" Strangelv-4 says, "With an at least
mostly complete list that's sure to have the critical items all included,
we could try to asses priorities. Critical must not have downtime,
important must be back up as soon as possible" Strangelv-4 says, "It
doesn't matter if we have one. I don't know of any web browsers that
support that" dcarson says, "we might all try to spend time on the old site
and list things we think are important" Strangelv-4 says, "When they show
up, we will need to create more themes for Coriolis" Strangelv-4 says,
"Everything MMM, but I can't find even a fraction of that. We need to send
someone to Peter's house to get his network problems fixed so he can log
back in to the MOO" PhilipC says, "james, remember, we still need to market
test our themes. we need variety more than quality at this point."
Strangelv-4 wonders what to use for a pneumonic for holosuite browsers if
he doesn't know the CSS version. Also, MoonSwitchTheme would need to be
upgraded to detect them. pjbanyai says, "Philip didn't you recently use
your phone to log into the MOO?" PhilipC says, "ipad" PhilipC says, "but
the virtual keyboard is too slow" Strangelv-4 says, "ipad visiting our site
should look about the same as desktop but with bigger buttons" PhilipC
says, "or it was slowing me down by forcing me to rely on the two finger
typing" Strangelv-4 says, "He'd be getting the CSS3 tablet theme" PhilipC
says, "i accessed moo through... i think it was called mudrammer"
Strangelv-4 says, "This is one of the reasons we're still using the MOO.
You could probably show up with a web browsing Kindle 1." Strangelv-4 says,
"Pau,l any ideas on how to implement a test of Apache ... forgetting the
name" Strangelv-4 says, "Apachy Wave?" PhilipC says, "james, on that note,
do you have any other mode of communication that would work for you other
than text?" pjbanyai says, "I believe some iPad/iPhone apps can be used on
some Macs. Maybe Peter could use it." Strangelv-4 says, "me personally,
nothing is even close to doing as well as text. I can't even handle long
phone calls without a penalty anymore" Strangelv-4 says, "Peter's problem
is networking. A separate pad might work if it could get to wokr with his
LAN" Strangelv-4 says, "but the problem is we don't know what peter's
problem is and we've been unable to diagnose it remotely -- and not having
Peter in here is increasingly a serious problem" Strangelv-4 says, "Who has
the shortest drive to visit Peter who probabyl has the skills to solve the
problem on site?" PhilipC says, "i might be the closest, and that's 12 hrs
away" dcarson says, "we need him to tey from say a library with his laptop
so see if its the machine or network" PhilipC says, "james, what about a
voice to text program?" Strangelv-4 says, "I'm needing one of those for
writing purposes. I have yet to find a salution for Linux." Strangelv-4
says, "i'm not sure howv well any of them would fare with a miltiperson
voice discussion" PhilipC says, "the text won't be perfect but it would
better than audio" Strangelv-4 . o O ( Things that work in 2035: voice to
text ) PhilipC says, "your disability is similar to people with hearing
loss. note both of my parents are deaf. only in your case its sensitive
hearing" pjbanyai says, "It sounds like Peter's router is not setup for
port forwarding the MOO ports from his internal network to the internet. He
could also try setting his Mac as the default DMZ Server although it is
less secure." Strangelv-4 says, "he could get the ASI MOO welcome page.
Then it threw him out." Strangelv-4 says, "We probably don't need to be
logging this. Do we have any hdiscussion that we need to include as part of
the meeting?" PhilipC says, "Then let's finish off the meeting."
Strangelv-4 says, "This is a probrlem I've never heard of anyone else
having, which is port of why it has everyone stumped" PhilipC says, "Can I
have a motion to adjourn?" Strangelv-4 says, "so moved" PhilipC says,
"second?" pjbanyai says, "second" PhilipC says, "If there are no
objections, we are now adjourned" Strangelv-4 looks at Dana, the only
possible objector PhilipC says, "Meeting adjourned at 11:23 pm" dcarson
says, "none here" 
-- End log: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 11:23:40 pm ASI Meeting Server time --